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No Budda until after the vets leave

Posted by Darren Urban on May 15, 2017 – 12:47 pm

Timing is everything, and the timing for this season means safety Budda Baker won’t get any work with the veterans of this roster until training camp. Baker, the second-round safety, took part in this weekend’s rookie minicamp (even coming up with a pick on Friday). But he had to leave Sunday, part of a long-time NFL rule that says a rookie cannot participate (other than the rookie minicamp) until his college’s spring class has graduated — whether or not the player has remained in school.

The point of the rule is to make sure a player doesn’t feel he has to leave school to get to his NFL team’s workouts when he is trying to finish out the semester. Most players have already dropped out to focus on the NFL anyway, but some still are going to class.

Washington, like a handful of schools (UCLA, Oregon, Stanford and Oregon State among them), is on a quarters system. Graduation for Washington for the current quarter doesn’t come until June 9. It means Baker cannot take part in the offseason work until June 10. Unfortunately for Baker, the Cardinals finish up on-field work with their mandatory (except for Baker) minicamp June 6-8.

There is a couple of weeks of rookie work after that, so Baker’s return does mean something. Baker can talk to coaches on the phone or FaceTime in the meantime (as well as teammates; I’d guess at some point he’ll touch base with Tyrann Mathieu.) How he fits with Mathieu and Patrick Peterson and the rest of the secondary will have to wait until mid-July.


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23 Responses to “No Budda until after the vets leave”

  1. By JTDG on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    Interested in the rookies but one in particular.

    How is Reddick looking? Has a lot of concepts to grasp, Is he lining up inside / outside / or both ?

  2. By Darren Urban on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Reddick

    Inside right now.

  3. By JTDG on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    With AE moving to receiver, what kind of role or impact do you see him having, if any?

    With Larry, the Browns back healthy, and JJ, not to mention the rookie, is there room for AE to get touches or even on the field?

  4. By Darren Urban on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Ellington

    Too early to know. There might not be room. Heck, he might not make the final roster.

  5. By steve on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    Darren: Speaking of Mathieu, does he look to you to have regained some of that speed and quickness that he lacked last season after his second ACL surgery? I hear players say it takes 1-2 years to recover fully from that kind of injury.

  6. By Darren Urban on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Mathieu

    He looks good in what little he has done. OTAs will be more of a test.

  7. By D on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    Darren

    Are you surprised on how many chances T. Niklas has had to stay on the AZ roster?

  8. By Darren Urban on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Niklas

    No. Second-round pick, and it hasn’t been play that has sidelined him. It’s injuries. They like what he has done when he has been able to play.

  9. By JTDG on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,

    Everyone know Budda is a heck of a player. Nothing to say there, he can play.

    The knock on him was his size, which drew comparisons to Badger and Bob Sanders.

    Now you have seen him close up and in person, is he small? Does he seem like the type of body that can hold up?

  10. By Darren Urban on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Budda

    He’s 5-10 and 190 pounds. He looks 5-10 and 190 pounds. Whether or not he can hold up, we will see.

  11. By Scott H on May 15, 2017 | Reply

    Good lord, what has happened to Andre Ellington??? His first year here, he looked like this explosive dynamo….a rocket ready to blast off. Since then?? My God, he’s barely been heard from. I’d already been entertaining the possibility he might not even make the final roster this year. But to hear Darren say as much….man, he just disappeared so fast.

    But he’s an interesting player in terms of what role he actually fills – here, or anywhere. We KNOW he can’t handle a feature back role. Forget it. Out of the question. I think he’s too small to handle a lot of contact, period.

    Could he make the transition to WR? Gotta be honest, I have my doubts. Again, he is very small. Yeah, so was Wes Welker. But Welker was like a bull dog. He was a tough guy. He took hits and got back up. Ellington? Don’t know. BUT as may happen here, on a team with a deep WR corps, he probably doesn’t make it. On a team where he has to play a lot, he probably doesn’t last long.

    A return guy? MAYBE. But again, how many hits can he take?

    A RB you turn the game over to in the 4th quarter when you’re up big and you just want to grind the clock? No way.

    Not really a special teams demon, ala Sean Morey.

    Pass catcher out of the back-field / change of pace guy? I mean, that seems to be his thing. But ya wonder if a guy who pretty much just does THAT and can’t handle many carries is a luxury most teams can’t afford.

    His combination of small size and issues with durability really kinda box him in to where it’s tough to place him.

    Then again, there’s always the Patriots. They seem to find a role for everybody. Honestly, I’ll bet THEY would find a way to use Ellington and make him effective. THEY always seem to have those guys who have that big game, then they disappear for 3-4 weeks, then just when you forget about him, they break him out again! Ellington is the guy who would get 3 1-yard carries for TD’s in a game for them, then you wouldn’t hear his name again for a month.

    As a Patriot, Ellington is the kind of guy who would have less than 280 yards rushing but would score 10-11 TD’s.

  12. By michael on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Darren-

    Just read that Jason McCourty visited the Browns and took a physical:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/16/jason-mccourty-visiting-with-browns/#comments

    Any news on a veteran CB? SK can’t be considering going down the road again of a big question mark at CB2 to start the season. Mike Jenkins injury was unfortunate last year- and who knows how we would have panned out – but at least there was some kind of veteran plan there to push the others. It would be a crying shame to imporve our pass rush and have a lockdown CB1, but constantly have a safetly valve at CB2 for opposing QBs. For proof, one needn’t look any further than the playoff game against the Packers, when Powers was injured and Bethel drew their WR3 (after Cobb went down with an injury early) and was constantly torched.

    Please, please tell me there is a plan. McCourty had the size and epxerience to fill this whole

  13. By Darren Urban on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Michael —

    RE: CB

    Haven’t heard anything.

  14. By D on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Interesting time of the year as 40 plus additional players try to make the roster. Cards have as many CB’s as WR’s currently (11) We will see in a month or so how many of the young CB’s will make the team.

    B. Williams, J. Rolle, J. Ford, S. Shelton are nice projects for the future

    J. Bethel is on his last year of his deal and probably last in AZ. For a playoff team is a nice 3rd CB option. He is more valuable on Special Teams than CB.

    Of course Petersen is the lock. I think more could be added to the group if we believe playoffs or bust in 2017.

    I still believe Mr. Keim will make a summer acquisition aka, M. Cooper deal for the CB room.

    The Cards have additional ammo with additional 2018 draft picks for a potential deal if they see a player on another team to create a deal.

    The team on my list to watch and call for CB options would be the Bengals.
    I would be tempted to send a late round draft pick for Josh Shaw. He has great size, still on his first contract, played at USC and is currently the 3 or 4th option on their team. He was a 4th round draft pick.

  15. By clssylssy on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Scott…
    Yeah, the only way I see Ellington making a team is as a special situation player. I just don’t see him as the kind of receiver we need b/c he’s too fragile to do anything physical aside from running and catching the ball–blocking big physical Corners like Richard Sherman, forget it! He’ll be a greasespot! As a RB, Chris Johnson was scrappy and unafraid to put his face in the fire PLUS he was speedy, but this is the Cards and BA has his favorites, as everybody knows (although it seems to be more of a curse when you look at TM, JB, AE, TN..) Most teams don’t have the luxury for special players unless they can return punts, which might be a possibility b/c he and JJ are about the same. IMO, we need more physical players in general and you can have both speed and durability as we’ve seen with David Johnson. LOL, never been a Smurfs fan but rather go for durability and players with a little of an intimidation factor. I don’t know how Denver is planning to use Charles but Ellington reminds me a lot of Jamal, who was also suppose to be the greatest thing to happen…until he was injured all the time and wasn’t. He seems like a really likeable guy and I hope they can find a way to use him to get his stats up. As a Patriot? No, he’s not tough enough–maybe the Colts as a veteran RB?

  16. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Budda just may be Tyrann redux, or insurance if Ty can’t stay well, love this guy.

    Reddick is really interesting too, so much upside on both.

    Call it crazy, but Gabbert in long run might be the Keim Time Find of the year…

  17. By JTDG on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Tweet “Bucannon surgery takes position with depth & undercuts it. Rookie Hasson Reddick is your starter now – for those wanting top pick to play”

    Bucannon out till September, missing most or all of preseason.

    We will see how much Dansby has left, but if he still has fuel, the guy can play. So, if Reddeck plays lights out like most expect, how does Buc make it back as a starter ?

    Interesting development.

  18. By Scott H on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    OK, so Bucanon just had ankle surgery….in mid May….and may now start the season on the physically un-able to perform list. Are people seeing this??? Can I ask – is there a reason this surgery couldn’t have been done in Feb????????

    Good lord…..we didn’t take enough losses on defense during the off-season, now we’re looking at ANOTHER one??? I reading that if he starts the season on the PUP list, he is out for the first 6 weeks.

    Just friggin’ lovely…..and tragically poor planning, IF this surgery could have been done sooner.

  19. By Scott H on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Continuing my previous post….OK, so he was trying to see if he could rehab it. And I guess that had to play out. I get it. Maybe.

    Why am I still feeling like waiting until NOW for surgery wasn’t the best way to go?

    This injury hampered him all of last year ( at least from the point it occured)….he ended the season on IR, after missing the last 3 games…..why am I thinking it just didn’t seem likely that this was an injury that rehab alone was going to heal?

    And again, why mid-May?? Didn’t we know even a month ago that rehab just wasn’t getting it done???? Heck, even if he has the surgery in mid-April, it seems like he has a better chance of being back for the opener….doesn’t it???? That ONE month might have made a big difference here.

    Just seems like this should have been monitored / planned a little better.

    Or, is it me?

  20. By USAF Pilot on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H.,

    Right on re: Ellington.

    Based on your analysis, one could question the logic of Keim (and Arians?) in drafting Ellington.

  21. By Kevin S Mesa on May 16, 2017 | Reply

    Ellington reminds me of Larod Stevens-Howling. Too small to be an every-down back, but capable of explosive plays when used sparingly — including screen passes that go for 50+ yards.

    I recall LSH getting forced into a lot of duty when Beanie and Ryan Williams were hurt. He had a couple 100+ yard games but I think for the season he was barely over 3 YPC. I also distinctly remember an Eagles game where he rushed around 8 times and lost nearly 2 yards per carry.

    Weird thing was, some people on this board acted like LSH was irreplaceable. Just like I remember a few people a couple years ago saying how critical it was that we keep Ellington. Now he’s an afterthought.

  22. By Scott H on May 17, 2017 | Reply

    USAF Pilot –

    Sorry, it took me a minute to digest your reply….I’m not used to hearing people agree with me!

    So, thanks! Will be interesting to see how it plays out with Ellington. From another angle, do you think he would even have any trade value?? I really don’t think he does. Barring a key injury here ( knock on wood ), he might not seem likely to make the Cards’ final roster, not if we stay deep at WR. So, if you’re another team, why not just wait it out and see if he gets released?

  23. By USAF Pilot on May 17, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H,

    I suppose that he might have trade value near the end of Preseason if he flashes and some teams lose RBs due to injuries.

    However, I don’t believe that Keim and Arians will want to trade him if he flashes unless someone makes an offer they can’t refuse. And, with his history of injuries and limited toolkit, I doubt that a team would find a use for him.

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