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Keim looking at “6 to 8” player possibilities

Posted by Darren Urban on June 8, 2017 – 7:32 am

As minicamp wraps up today with a final practice before the veterans scatter for the summer, Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim said in terms of signing a veteran to help the roster, options are still on the table.

“(Team president) Michael (Bidwill) and I talked about six to eight players, who are still on the street, who could potentially come in and help us,” Keim said in an appearance on the “Doug and Wolf” show on Arizona Sports 98.7.

Keim didn’t get specific, either in name or position. But he noted the obvious, based on Keim’s past veteran signings in this regard: It’s not just about a scheme fit or need, it’s also about price. The Cardinals see a value in these signings, and even if a player intrigues them, they have weighed the cost-benefit. They are only going to play “x” amount for any particular player, and they won’t blow their salary measurement out of any perceived need.

(To clarify — the Cards won’t sign as many as six or eight. That’s just the number of players that are on the radar. I’d guess some play the same position, so if one signed, the others are out. As usual, I’d anticipate one or two Keim camp specials at most, barring injuries.)

We’ve talked about this before. Maybe a cornerback makes sense (that’s the position I’d look at first). Maybe a guard if Evan Boehm doesn’t keep moving forward. Maybe a running back to fill out the room, depending on what Andre Ellington and/or Elijhaa Penny do. But to think there won’t be a signing or two around/into training camp just doesn’t do the history of Keim any justice.


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  1. By D on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Interesting conversation by Mr. Keim this am.
    Curious to what free agents he has in his sights. I would like to see him to get even more creative this summer as his Keim Time type signing by actually trading for a player.

    Let’s all be honest, it doesn’t look good for A. Ellington to make the final 53. The team still needs more Depth at CB. They are loaded at Safety and Slot CB, but a pure outside CB to compete with Bethel is needed. Mr. Keim could go the usual route of signing a 30 something player to squeeze one more year out of them, but he did take a chance with M. Cooper who had great size and young and ended up making big $ after playing above average here. I would rather see them go after a younger pure CB rather than a Cromoartie/Flowers type on a one year deal.

    I would like to see Mr. Keim offer to trade A. Ellington to Cincy for CB J. Shaw.
    Cincy is loaded with CB’s and Shaw has the physical traits as a M. Cooper. I believe he is past his college issues and could be a player with the right coaching could be a very good CB in the NFL. He has 2 years left on his contract while Ellington is on a 1 year deal, I would throw in a 6th round draft pick in the deal, Ellington was a 6th round pick while Shaw was drafted in Round 4.

    If Cincy were interested and they should be since Ellington is a nice change of pace RB with speed, AZ could develop this CB this year so when/if Bethel leaves next year in free agency, they have another CB to compete with B. Williams.

    Other free agents that he may sign would be depth at RB and a PR.

  2. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Trade

    All due respect, but why would Cincy trade for Ellington? Injury-prone, you can make the argument he’ll be released, and — and this is the most important point of all — they just drafted Joe Mixon, who is a better version of Ellington.

  3. By NJAzCardsFan on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    If one reads into SK’s statement, does that mean the Cards front office isn’t satisfied with some of the current draft picks, FA signings or UFA’s on the current roster??

  4. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    NJAZ —

    RE: Keim

    If one reads into SK’s statement, it means the Cardinals might sign a veteran or two as camp starts or after camp starts — like they do every year. If they see a chance to improve the team, they will.

  5. By erik on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Revis.

  6. By lacardinalsfan on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    With all due respect…

    How can you say that Mixon is a better version of Ellington? He hasnt played a down in the NFL yet and there are PLENTY of bust RBs drafted early.

    Lets not knock our Cards players down a notch when comparing to a rookie that hasnt played a down??

  7. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    lacardinalsfan —

    RE: Mixon

    Fair enough. Then I’ll say this: Why would they trade for Ellington when they just drafted a running back?

  8. By Scott H on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    I agree, I just don’t see where Andre Ellington has any real trade value. I mean….what would you base that on? The fact that he’s well rested after hardly playing for the last few seasons????

    Ellington is hardly a lock to even make the final roster here. So…if I’m another team with ANY degree of interest in Ellington, I may as well just wait and see if he gets released. If not….hate to say it, but he’s hardly a player that you couldn’t do without. He’s not a guy who gives anyone that ONE last piece that brings it all together, ya know?

  9. By lacardinalsfan on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    That is a little easier to digest. Thanks for the clarification Darren. 🙂

  10. By Bill Thompson on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Re: Keim’s comments
    I sure don’t see anywhere close to 6-8 guys being signed. This might be a number to scare guys already here. A more realistic number in my book would be 1-3 and more like 1-2 or none! Go Cards!

  11. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Bill —

    RE: 6-8

    They aren’t signing 6 to 8. They are looking at 6 to 8. It would be one or two.

  12. By D on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Darren

    My theory was that Mixon doesn’t have his mind right yet and won’t be available for 16 games, similar to Ellington due to injuries but at least Ellington has some body of work in the NFL.

    It all goes back to my disagreement with their draft pick in Round 2 of this year. No disrespect to Mr. Baker, he may turn into a solid player, I just would have drafted a Q. Wilson or T. Tabor at CB whom both were drafted after Baker and my uneasiness at that position would have been lowered. A team can never have enough CB’s and Pass Rushers. I know, it comes down grading/scouting.

  13. By faster on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    darren, do you know, if they ever tried brandon williams as punt returner?

  14. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Faster —

    RE: BWill at PR

    They have not. Never heard it as an option.

  15. By Tradersbrain on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    TE seems to be a question. Knowing that BA covets a pass catching TE that is also a reliable blocker, after Gresham, we are thin. I like Niklas, but unfortunately, the guy can’t stay on the field and after him the roster is made up of talented pass catchers with marginal blocking skills. Valles was a pleasant surprise late last year, but a number 2 TE?

  16. By Joe C. on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Darren, I think Kiem should sign an all pro to a one year prove it deal on a very team friendly contract. If they could do that at guard AND CB I’d feel better about this season. What do you think? Now that they have Gabbert I’ve cooled off on Cutler.

  17. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Joe C —

    RE: All pro

    You didn’t use the sarcasm font. Oversight?

    How many all-pros are sitting out there?

  18. By erik on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    RE: How many all-pros are sitting out there?

    Revis.

  19. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Erik —

    RE: All-pro

    Hasn’t been an all-pro since 2014.

  20. By JTDG on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Oh Darren,

    Revis was a Pro Bowler in 2015.

    So, Revis was hurt in 2012 and played only 2 games, but every other year from 2008 to 2015 he was a pro bowler.

    In 2016, he put on 15 pounds and was in the middle of legal issues. He had the worse year of his career.

    We all know what happens when a young stud, like Pat P, put on weight in 2014 and isn’t right.

    To pair Pat P with Revis would make the cards a front runner.

  21. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Revis

    Wait. You’re legit going to compare Peterson — who, in 2014/2015, was 24 and 25 and had undiagnosed diabetes — with Revis, who is 31 and will be 32 in a month. Meanwhile, those legal issues, whether they made his gain 15 pounds or not (which, WTH?), didn’t occur until February of this year. So they had zero to do with his terrible 2016.

  22. By Kevin S Mesa on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    I always think it’s funny when guys suggest, “Let’s trade Player X” (when Player X is basically expendable because he’s done nothing of note lately), and expect to get something decent back for him.

    Let’s face it — just about the only player you can trade for decent value, even though they haven’t been able to crack the lineup of their own team much, is a backup QB (e.g., Garoppolo) who people think might be “the guy” for their team. And you have to give up a lot to get those guys.

  23. By Joe C. on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    I said all pro! Definitely all pro. The pro bowl is a beauty contest. It means you were a starter. Darren, are you saying there aren’t 6-8 all pros (or even pro bowlers) out there at positions of need we can sign at team friendly one year prove it deals to provide veteran leadership before we draft a bunch of future hall of famers next year? I can’t find my sarcasm font button! Can Jay Cutler play tight end?

  24. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Joe C —

    RE: All pro bowl

    First, I’ll have you look at that Cutler beach pic floating around the internet. And then I’ll let you make the call.

  25. By shooter28 on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Former 2010 1st round pick Dolphins/Jaguars DE/DT 6″5/205pd Jared Odrick makes a ton of sense to bring as insurance up front along this D-Line. Odrick didn’t have the best season last year, but this a guy who AVG’s 5-6 sacks per season and is very disruptive up front. Adding Odrick to a line brings a solid veteran presence to a line that also includes Robert Nkimdice, Rodney Gunter, Frostee Rucker, Josh Mauro, Corey Peters, Xavier Williams & Olsen Pierre. That is a very deep excellent O-Line , especially with the pass rushers AZ has behind them. Odrick also likely would sign a cheap 2-3 Million 1yr prove it type deal coming off the year he had.

  26. By shooter28 on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Darren Urban –

    What do you think the odds are that DE Jared Odrick is a player on Keim’s list he is considering?? He would add some legit insurance up front along that D-Line helping replace the pass rushing presence we lost in Calais. If Nkimdiche has the season we all hope & think he will all the better, then AZ also of course has other talented DE’s like Guter, Rucker, Mauro, Pierre on the roster w/ Peters/Williams at NT. Odrick adds solid pass rushing ability up front to pair with who AZ already has on the payroll and would likely play on a cheapish 1yr prove it deal @ around 2-3M for the year. Do you think he is a player Keim could be seriously looking at or do you get the feeling they are more than OK with whom they already have?

  27. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Shooter28 —

    RE: Odrick

    Given all the players they already have on the D-line, I don’t see it. Maybe if there are concerns after camp starts.

  28. By CARDS62 on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    I have no problem bringing in Revis for a workout. If you do not like what you see you just pass on him, but the man has played the game at a high level for many years and to me that is worth a plane ticket and hotel room.
    We need 1 or 2 more corners to be safe.

    Read a few articles on Reddick and he is very pleased with getting reps and learning from Karlos Dansby which of course makes me happy and also makes the point that adding these vets 1,2,3, or 4 can help your entire roster, which if Revis is a team guy can also help our young Cardinals.

    Nick Mangold is another guy that I have always liked and a position of need for us, interior offensive line, so I hope he is another one we bring in and kick the tires on and he can definitely coach up our young lineman.

    Looking forward to the preseason and watching our Cardinals play.

    Go Cards!

  29. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Cards62 —

    RE: Revis

    I feel confident in saying Revis isn’t working out for anyone. He’d visit, but he’s not going through a workout.

  30. By JTDG on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Daren,

    Revis/Peterson;

    The comparison is that if a young stud (and I have said many times , PP is the best CB in the game) like Peterson is affected by weight gain, surely a guy at 30 is going to be affected.

    Whatever the reason, Revis did not come in last year in shape.But here is a stunner for you.

    Over the last 11 weeks of the year, Revis graded out as the 24th-best cornerback in the league, according to Pro Football Focus, allowing a catch rate of just 58.7 percent compared to 77.8 percent during the first six weeks.

    His first 6 weeks were brutal, but he played himself into better shape and finished much better. Now 10-15 pounds lighter, and playing CB2 if signed here, I would have faith he would be the difference maker.

  31. By Darren Urban on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Revis

    Perhaps. But those guys (whom Keim might sign) are making $3M max. Not sure Revis is willing to do that.

  32. By Joe Cardea on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    The all pro no one is talking about is cap space. Kiem will only do cap friendly deals for filler players. Could someone turnout to be a great addition like Freeney/Swearinger/Abraham and others? Sure. But our cap outlook is great and Kiem isn’t going to blow the future on an old veteran no one else wants bad enough to have already signed. He’s going after mid level starters or top back ups. As he should. He’s saving rounds.

  33. By MostlyRight on Jun 8, 2017 | Reply

    Revis had a horrible year but a decent second half. I don’t think a guy who was an All Pro 3 seasons ago or a Pro-Bowler 2 seasons ago is necessarily washed up. A 75% peak Revis…as a CB2? I’ll take that. And that’s the thing…he has always been a CB1. I think PP21 on the opposing team’s WR1 would pair quite nicely with Revis on their WR2 or WR3. I also think young Peterson and old Revis would be competitive with each other…push each other. Nothing wrong with that.

    As DU said, the issue would be the money. If memory serves, Revis makes good money this year if he doesn’t play a down.

  34. By michael on Jun 9, 2017 | Reply

    Joe-

    Cap space won’t be affected much by a $3M-$4M signing. Cards are at around $16M under the cap. And potentially some major contracts coming off the books next season lets not forget…

    Another great thing about Revis – competiton amongst the other CBs on the roster to knock him off. right now, Bethel or Williams will get that job and their competition will produce a winner. Put Revis in their and they are no drvien to knock himout of the picture.

    And as i read, Revis is owed $6M by the Jets regardless. If a team signs him to $3M, jets are only responsible for the other $3M

  35. By JTDG on Jun 9, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,

    I agree that 3 million might not get the deal done. Just because I want something, doesn’t mean Keim is going to do it.

    But to me, there is no other area that has a bigger need. Spending more for a CB2 is needed, since they didn’t draft a top CB or sign a top younger CB in FA.

  36. By Coach K on Jun 9, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,

    I am concerned about the Center position as well as CB2. Would Keim consider signing an older Center and Corner as insurance?

  37. By Darren Urban on Jun 9, 2017 | Reply

    Coach K–

    RE: Help

    I could see a CB. Not sure about a center at this point.

  38. By Joe Cardea on Jun 9, 2017 | Reply

    Michael, A $3M one year deal is in Kiem’s wheelhouse and is not a cap buster. But folks are talking about adding starters and if a clear starter is out there he probably wants a lot more than one year at basically the minimum. Kiem will hold future year cap space in reserve to sign our own free agents and to find veteran QB.

  39. By CARDS62 on Jun 10, 2017 | Reply

    Cardinal Fans our Super Bowl window is almost closed shut, and I promise you with the CBs on our roster we have zero chance to win the Super Bowl this year.

    We also have other concerns or questions OL, special teams, DL, passing game so no guarantee we will win a Super Bowl with Revis or even Revis and a couple of others. Luck with injuries and field goals also play a big part in winning a Super Bowl.

    I have to ask why no go for it with free agents? This way you are not hurting your future by trading draft picks. You are just spending this year’s cap money to hopefully bring in veterans who of course want to get paid, but more than that they want a chance to win a Super Bowl. I believe one of our favorite sayings around here is No risk it no Biscuit! I am starving for some biscuits with some butter and jam so please Mr. Steve Keim work your magic.

    Go Cards!

  40. By shooter28 on Jun 11, 2017 | Reply

    Cards62 – I don’t think you know what your talking about…. ARI’s window is not closed if they go with the CBs currently on the roster !!

    As it is with ARI having the best CB in the NFL in All-Pro CB Patrick Peterson & the best FS/CB in the NFL healthy in Tyrann Mathieu who is fully healthy and back to form, ARI can take away both your best #1 WR & Best Slot CB. S/CB Budda Baker was one of the best cover men in College & Box SS Pro Bowler Antoine Bethea can matchup against and take away TEs.

    Fully healthy 6ft/200pd CB Justin Bethel is a good solid above average CB, In 2015 he ranked in the top 35CBs of over 100+ ranked on the field. Last season his foot was injured all year, but once it finally healed he was excellent in coverage playing at an All-Pro Level and worked on his game all off-season as did 2nd year CB 6″1/200pd Brandon Williams who is a lot better after working with Peterson all off-season. Free Agent 6ft Jumal Rolle was signed as well with a few other CBs battling to make the roster.

    With Bethel healthy and given all of the other talent AZ has in the secondary with one of the NFLs best pass rushs up front making their jobs much easier, AZs secondary is going to be very good again this year.

  41. By clssylssy on Jun 11, 2017 | Reply

    It would certainly seem that investing some $$$ in some good FAs that could put this team into the contender circle,would be a smart investment as a SB win, or even appearance, would be the best medicine for curing the disbelievers (and renewing marketability). Being the oldest team in the league w/o a Lombardi, and playoff trips that can be counted on one hand, iisn’t much of a resume when trying to recruit players or keep a healthy fan base growing. After Fitz/Palmer leave, we will be looking at a rebuilding period, possibility with a new coach and different cast of characters in leading roles, so, while we have some good talent and resources, why not go all in for the win!
    Even though we have a lot of young talent, many of our best young players will seek contracts with contender teams where they can not only make more money but also get the ring.
    It has taken all these years to get to where we are, and it would be tragic to let it slip away when we could see light at the end of the tunnel.

  42. By Big Ken on Jun 11, 2017 | Reply

    Great news on Elie Bouka. Sounds like he’s coming along.

  43. By Joe C. on Jun 12, 2017 | Reply

    Classy, Are you considering the salary cap? We need money to sign our “best young players” to bild the core to attract talent. And we need money to lure a capable starting QB if we don’t find one in the draft. We have a good team. Who knows who will emerge. If the DL is average and our LB are excellent the secondary is fine. We’re a contender, wait until next year and the year after and money you say we should spend now will be precious. Unless you think we’re getting “good FAs” on one year team friendly deals. Kiem won’t repeat Rod Graves mistakes. No dead money!

  44. By clssylssy on Jun 19, 2017 | Reply

    Joe…
    Not sure I’m following you correctly? We’ve signed all of our rookies (most teams budget for this) we have signed C Jones, T Matthieu to very lucrative longterm deals along with PP, and pretty much have our core set for this year. IMO,we need another high caliber WR & CB & obviously a franchise QB which I don’t see Blaine Gabbart as ever being. If we don’t make the playoffs again and have another season like last, we won’t have to worry about paying good young players bc they will want to go some place that: (a) they can get paid, (b) they have a good chance of winning a ring. Like it or not, the Cards don’t have the rep for paying well unless you are in the “elite” player status.
    Currently we have money (under the Cap) and signing a proven WR or CB wouldn’t be throwing the checkbook out the window and going crazy, as much as an investment in possibly keeping our window propted open long enough to make another playoff run.

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