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Arians confirms Flowers visit

Posted by Darren Urban on July 25, 2017 – 12:04 pm

Bruce Arians confirmed today that free-agent veteran cornerback Brandon Flowers is visiting the team — Arians said he’s getting a physical today — as a potential addition to the roster. Flowers has had concussion issues, so the physical is important. Arians also emphasized adding Flowers doesn’t necessarily mean a reflection on the play of current first-stringer Justin Bethel. The Cardinals want to add pieces, and besides, it’s worth noting the Cards lost a pair of cornerbacks who had been up the depth chart for a couple of weeks — Elie Bouka (ankle) and Jumel Rolle (hamstring).

— Arians again praised the work if Bethel. Bethel made more plays Monday, and Arians even likes the fact Bethel is getting better responding when he makes a bad play. “He’s learning to get amnesia,” Arians said, which is such a great quote.

— DT Ed Stinson hurt his hamstring while LB Alani Fua and S Ironhead Gallon each hurt a knee. No timetable was given for those players. (Tough for both Stinson and Fua, who seemingly are both always battling injury.)


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  1. By JTDG on Jul 25, 2017 | Reply

    Bethel is getting better responding when he makes a bad play. “He’s learning to get amnesia,”

    Think about that statement. He isn’t learning to cut down on his bad plays. No that is not what he said. He is just learning how to deal with his bad plays. Great.

    Feb 22nd 2014
    “I think the guy who really should make the big move is Justin Bethel,” coach Bruce Arians said. “He’s as talented probably as Patrick. He just has to start believing it and play corner the way he plays special teams and we’ll really be set back there.”

    He didn’t earn a spot starting at CB

    March 12 2015
    There is a reason Bruce Arians often talks about Justin Bethel’s potential as a cornerback, and now here we are, with — at least as of today — Bethel seems the choice to step in across from Patrick Peterson. That’s assuming Jerraud Powers remains the slot cover man, where he is most effective. Even Bethel reacted to the Cromartie departure news in a similar vein:
    Time to take the spot I already thought was mine. #nextlevel

    He didn’t earn a spot at CB

    July 19th 2016 –
    But we have expectations for Justin. He’s got great athleticism and movement skills. He’s got to continue to hone his skills, moreso with the eyes, the vision, the instinctual things that come with the game

    Sept 8th 2016
    Who will be the cornerback opposite Patrick Peterson? Brandon Williams

    Sept 11th 2016
    Rough debut for rookie cornerback Brandon Williams, who blew a coverage on a touchdown and had a couple other mistakes.

    Dec 12th 2016
    On cornerback Justin Bethel, who has struggled after a foot injury cost him all his offseason work and a chunk of training camp, when he was asked if Bethel is a work-in-progress: “He’s a failure-in-progress.”

    March 15th 2017
    cornerback Justin Bethel had his pay reduced for 2017 from $4.5 million to $2 million,

    I know, 2017 is his year. He is healthy and ready to be better than Peterson. Right?

    Uhm , maybe the Front office thinks the fans have amnesia?

  2. By Big Ken on Jul 26, 2017 | Reply

    Lol Okay, it’s Brandon Flowers, not Big Foot or Chubracabra.

  3. By James on Jul 26, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG..
    Here is my evaluation….

    December 2015… Cardinals sign Bethel to a 3yr/15mil deal to be 2nd corner opposite Peterson. Peterson says “Bethel can be better than me”.

    April 2016….Bethel fractured his foot and had surgery and missed all ota’s and summer practices.

    July 2016…..Bethel re injured his foot while training.

    December 2016…..Bethel said he was healthy again and in games 16 and 17 had 11 tackles, one 68 yard pick six, 4 passes def. and allowing only 13 yards in game 16 and 36 yards in game 17 against Russell Wilson. ProFootballFocus ranked him as one of the top corners in the league in those 2 games.

    April 2017…..He hasn’t practiced for two years on that broken foot,” Arians said. “He can now have a chance to really compete as a corner and get better rather than just throwing him out there when we had to have him. That’s not fair to him. But I think he’s going to really, really take off with it this spring.”

    July 2017…healthy and getting it done.

    Don’t know about JTDG, but I want to encourage BETHEL on his GREATNESS IN PROGRESS and hope for a good season…GO CARDS!

  4. By JTDG on Jul 26, 2017 | Reply

    James,

    If the cardinals thought they had a great CB opposite PP, they would be thrilled he only cost 4.5 million.

    But instead, the Cardinals brass, after watching 5 years of play, decided to agree to make him a FA after 2017.

    So, say you have Peterson locked up till 2019, would you ask him to take a pay cut and allow him to be a FA after 2017 ? Just apply some logic to the situation. Of course not. You would be happy to have such a stud locked up at a low dollar amount. and you would be thinking about extensions in 2018.

    AJ Bouye signed for 13.5 million a year.
    Stephon Gilmore signed for 13 million a year.

    If you had the next great emerging CB, and you had him locked down for 8.5 million over the next two years, you need to be fired if you cut his contract down to the end of this year so he can walk.

    Take emotions out and look at things logically. The cards have over 12 million in cap space, so they didn’t do it to save money to sign Campbell or Jefferson. Why did the cardinal front office do this to this amazing Greatness in Progress CB ?

    Is Bethel not the guy you think or did Keim make a HUGE mistake? It has to be one or the other.

  5. By Scott H on Jul 26, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG –

    LOVED the comment about the F/O perhaps thinking that the fans have amnesia, too. As I was reading your post, that very same thought was occurring to me and then, there it was!

    Look, don’t get me wrong, I’m a FAN of this team. I WANT them to win. That means I WANT players like Bethel and Nkemdiche to play well and give us big contributions.

    But the amnesia thing…..no. Maybe you need it to play CB in the NFL. Fine. But me, as a fan? Oh, no. And, unfortunately, there is a lingering sense that it will be VERY hard to forget the vow of the GM to be aggressive in the off-season if 2017 goes down as a disappointing season, AND if poor play at the other CB spot is one of the main reasons why.

  6. By Scott H on Jul 26, 2017 | Reply

    James –

    RE: July 2017…healthy and getting it done.

    Yeah. In practice. OK? Can we at least see some PRE-SEASON game action before we proclaim Bethel as “getting it done??”

    Football 101 – there is a big difference between getting it done in practice and getting it done during the season.

  7. By James on Jul 26, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG…

    The problem I have with your comments is that the more Bethel seems to get better…the more you criticize him…..Give him a chance.

    QUESTION? SO PROFOOTBALL FOCUS was wrong last year when they rated Bethel in game 16 and 17 as one of the Top corners in the league??

    It wasn’t until Bradshaw’s sixth season that he threw for more touchdowns than interceptions. Oh, and he ended up winning four Super Bowls.

  8. By JTDG on Jul 26, 2017 | Reply

    James,

    First, the better he gets the more I criticize him?
    I have nothing personal against Bethel. He has been awesome as a special teams ace. But you can’t keep waiting on a guy to get better. As noted, every year they expected him to step up and he hasn’t. Excuse me if I am not buying into him finally getting over the hump.

    Weeks 16 and 17 – He did play well as a slot CB. There is a difference in playing the slot and playing outside. I would have no issue if he was coming in on nickle situations to play the slot, but that would mean Badger is out. Playing outside is a whole different animal with a different breed of receiver. He showed in 2015 he didn’t belong.

    But you didn’t answer my question above. Did Keim make a huge mistake by cutting Bethel’s pay and years on his contract? If you believe in Bethel this much, then the Front office screwed that one up.

    You see, but cutting his pay and years, Keim clearly doesn’t feel about Bethel the way you do. So, did the card brass mess up?

    As for Bradshaw, who cares. The guy had a great coach who took a joke of a team and built them into a dynasty. All Bradshaw did was fight with his coach. Meanwhile, Noll was drafting guys year after year and coaching them up. Is there a guy on that team that isn’t in the HOF ? Chuck Noll made Bradshaw a winner and in turn, Bradshaw bad mouthed him till he died. sad.

  9. By James on Jul 26, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG

    YOU are right and agree bro.

    If I was the Cardinals Front Office and had a guy like Bethel who broke his foot and then couldn’t prove himself for 2 years I would cut his 3yr 15 million contract too.

    Seth Cox (revengeofthebirds) writer said this and I agree…..

    “Bethel gambled on himself, and as he turns 27 this year, for GOOD reason….
    A big season for Bethel as a cornerback can have massive salary repercussions”.
    “A player like Marcus Cooper signed a three year $16 million contract off of one season with Arizona, Brandon Carr, who has not been great and is 31 signed a four year $23.5 million contract with the Baltimore Ravens”.
    If Bethel is as good as Cooper, with his athleticism and ONLY 27, he could see a deal in between Cooper and Carr’s, that could also set him up to get paid again when he is 30 or 31″. (Revengeofthebirds)

  10. By clssylssy on Jul 27, 2017 | Reply

    BA threw Bethel under the bus last season and then drove over him…his assessment of Bethel from last year and those words will stay in the minds of fans no matter how good Bethel becomes, so he’s pretty much fighting a losing battle.
    Probably would take off on another team and a fresh start. Keim needed to take a Corner in the draft and blew it! It will be interresting to see if Flowers visit amounts to anything more than the hot air we all should expect from BA & Keim.
    Flowers has a history of concussions and I’m really surprised he’s still willing to role the dice, given what we know about concussions and CTE. Nonetheless, it’s too bad Keim can’t find another CB who doesn’t come with such a iffy medical history. But then, it doesn’t seem Keim has winning a SB as a priority and is pretty comfy in his cushy job. BA doesn’t have that big of window for winning SBs either & there is some urgency for the long suffering fans who’ve stood by and continued supporting this franchise.
    I see Flowers is taking his physical but how this plays out will be interesting. I’m not expecting anything.

  11. By Scott H on Jul 27, 2017 | Reply

    Related to Bethel being ranked by Football Focus as one of the best CB’s in the league in weeks 16 & 17 last year….

    First, that was for TWO games. I won’t discount how he played in those two games but I’m also not taking the quantum leap to Justin Bethel being one of the best CB’s in the league.

    Second, one of those two games was against the Rams. The Rams. What great QB or WR’s was he up against in that one? C’mon.

    Third, I’m not really sold on this Pro Football Focus entity. So…not sure how much credibility to give to what they say. Do others find their rankings credible? I’m open to hearing what people think.

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