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Hall of Fame game aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on August 3, 2017 – 11:31 pm

It’s late here in Canton — past 2 a.m. — so this is going to be an efficient post, in part because it’s the first of five preseason games and yeah, the preseason. That doesn’t mean things of importance can’t happen. You wish the head coach wasn’t saying “fingers crossed” about an injury to the rookie who was already showing he could be that dynamic return man you had been seeking.

But it was hard not to notice quarterback Blaine Gabbert as the top story of the evening. With all the caveats of preseason/the Cowboys only using three defensive starters, Gabbert looked very good in completing 11-of-14 passes for 185 yards. What does this mean? It means that Gabbert succeeded when, frankly, he should have. Beyond that, we’ll still see.

The last time a new Cardinals QB played so well in the preseason opener? (It just happened to be the last time a Cardinal was going into the Hall of Fame, Aeneas Williams.) Logan Thomas completed 11-of-12 passes against the Texans, for 113 yards and a TD. We all know how that turned out. Now, Gabbert is not Thomas. As much as Gabbert has struggled, his NFL career was still light years better. But it’s a reminder to hold off on grand pronouncements.

— Speaking of the Hall of Fame, Kurt Warner had his party Thursday night, and both Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Wilson made it over there to celebrate post-game.

— Logan really looked good as a return man. For a guy who hadn’t returned punts in college, he impressed.

— Tight ends Troy Niklas and Ifeanyi Momah also made some plays. Momah in the passing game, grabbing three receptions. If he is able to play special teams like he did last year before getting hurt, Momah has a place on this roster.

— Andre Ellington scored on a three-yard run that showed some grit, fighting his way between the tackles. If you recall, Bruce Arians said Ellington had to run tougher. The TD run was a good sign.

— Rookie safety Budda Baker made some plays. Arians praised Haason Reddick too.

— Robert Nkemdiche took a step forward again, playing much of the time in the first half. He busted up a couple of plays. He says being healthy, he feels more like himself. Again, he’s going in the right direction.

— The backups who played the offensive line for Gabbert mostly held up (from left tackle, Wetzel, Kaleb Johnson, Toner, Bergstrom, John.) The second-unit pass rushers who started didn’t generate enough pressure.

— The Cardinals return to practice Saturday (it’s closed to the public). Meanwhile, I’ll be here in Canton, covering Warner’s induction. Look for my big Warner-years-in-Arizona story tomorrow (today, here in the Eastern time zone).

UPDATE: Some are wondering why I didn’t bring up the missed field goals, and it’s simple. Phil Dawson didn’t kick. The punters, Richie Leone and Matt Wile, kicked, each missed a field goal, but the punter will only be kicking when it counts if Dawson goes down in a game. That’s unlikely to happen.

 


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40 Responses to “Hall of Fame game aftermath”

  1. By aschatte on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Thank you for staying up this late and writing up a piece Darren! Looks like we missed 2 field goals and at the end and the missed 32 yard field goal lost us the game ultimately…I know this is the first pre-season game, but we should have at least played Dawson as the kicker in the game instead of giving it to someone else. Great to see the RB depth and Gabbert surprisingly doing “decent”. Not the ideal start, but everyone is healthy, well hoping for some good news on TJ!

  2. By jeffcardinalfan on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    for once Darren I agree completely with every point you made..lol…I will add that Brandon Williams looked lost in coverage most of the time, but he did have a pic…I couldn’t believe those ducks thrown by cooper rush were being completed even though our 3s and 4s were in there…really looking forward to seeing t Williams in next geame

  3. By mitchaz on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    * Unlike last year, the Cardinals get off to a fast start (15-0) thanks to a good tempo on offense, solid blocking up front and crisp QB play (Blaine Gebbert).

    * Much like last year the Cardinals lose the game because of STs mistakes…ugly ones once again. Huge punt return is called back for a block in the back, and then the badly shanked FGs at the end of each half.

    * Brightest performances:

    QB Blaine Gabbert
    RB Kerwynn Williams
    RB/KR T.J. Logan
    TE Ifeanyi Momah
    TE Troy Niklas
    OL John Wetzel, LG Kaleb Johnson, C Cole Toner** (outstanding), RG Tony Bergstrom, RT Ulrich John
    DL Robert Nkemdiche** (outstanding), Olsen Pierre
    LB Haason Reddick, Scooby Wright
    CB Jarell Carter (best and cleanest pass breakups of the night — just signed this week)
    S Budda Baker** (outstanding), Ironhead Gallon (very active, good hitter, nearly broke up TD pass to TE), Rudy Ford (showed some range in CF, needs to tackle better)
    ST Matt Wile, Brandon Williams (2 good tackles), Chad Williams, Budda Baker

    * Stuggled:

    QB Trevor Knight
    RB Andre Ellington (two good plays, 1 a TD early, then a drop and a bunch of tentative 0 yard gains)
    WR Marquis Bundy, WR Chad Williams (one great catch, but wasn’t featured at all)
    DL Rodney Gunter, Xavier Williams
    LB Tre’Von Johnson
    CB Brandon Williams, Harlan Miller
    ST Richie Leone

    * Why?

    – Play press man coverage with players like Brandon Williams who are terrible at it and look so poorly coached?

    – Can Dallas’ STs win them the game, and the Cardinals’ can’t?

    – Does the Cardinals’ defense seemingly always get faked out and exploited by misdirection plays, bootlegs, waggles and option plays? One reason is that every team knows the Cardinals Des/OLBs crash inside repeatedly and give up contain.

    – It is a year later and even in the pre-season the RCB position is being fully exploited.

    – The pass rushing depth remains very thin. Particularly at DE/OLB.

    * Big-Time Positives:

    – Gabbert. Best he’s looked as a pro. Plus, he has length and athleticism.

    * The pace/tempo of the offense, even with T-Knight. Much better than the drag you down to 1 on the play clock and snap the ball every time on 1 they did ad nauseous last year with Palmer.

    * Clean first half, penalty-wise. For this early in the season, that speaks well to the coaching.

    * BA playing the game to win.

    * Some good tackling (on occasion) from the young players…which this team desperately needs.Hope the older players take notice.

    * The Cardinals finally have a return man in T.J. Logan who really gets after it. (Hope his wrist is ok).

  4. By Hammy on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Nice game for the Birdgang! Like you mentioned Darren; Lets wait and see on Gabbert and not read to much into this because it is what was expected of a 6 year pro who has played for over 7 different head coaches and offensive coordinators. With that said, Gabbert looked damn good and I cant wait to see him play with a little better competition. Gabbert looked really good also because the offensive line blocked really well. Kudos to the offense for this game.

    I really liked seeing Brandon Williams get that interception on the side line. He played that ball pretty well and just watching him play this game, I can see the drastic improvement in his footwork, turning of the hips and following the ball with his eyes. How bout Budda Baker!?!? Dude played lights out and was everywhere! Really exited about him. Overall the 2nd and 3rd units looked pretty strong. On to the next one!

  5. By Jordan S on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Phenomenal coverage as always Darren. Really hoping Logan injury is minor. What’s your take on Brandon Williams? Very concerning asside from that one omg that was basically thrown to him . Slim to none Gabbert could pass Stanton as backup on depth chart? Again only one game though but this roster is so deep with talent compared to the ” old cardinals” . It is so refreshing to see. Praise to Keim and company.

  6. By joe holst on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    kickers/punters were awful. Trevor Knight is not going to be around, D-line is stagnant.

  7. By Marlin on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Gabbert looks good.

  8. By Mark on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Darren, Good report, however you did not bring up the field goal kicker. Especially since going 1 for 3 is not acceptable. We all know Dawson has the job, just sad we lose again on not one, but two field goals missed! I know it is pre season, but beating Dallas any time you play them, is a wonderful feeling!

  9. By CardsNation on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Dawson didn’t even start. We had two punters as the kickers, why is everyone so concerned and nervous about the kicker?!

  10. By Jahstone on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Just to reiterate what Darren was saying…the punters rotated on field goals. Yes, we could have won a meaningless game, but none of the vets played.

  11. By Christopher on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Very impressed with the CFL import #54 Alex Bazzie!! Speed around the corner from the LB position. You can tell that he is HUNGRY to stay in the NFL!! I like that. Put him on Special Teams and point in the direction of the ball carrier!

  12. By clssylssy on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Since this wasn’t even a real preseason game but an exhibition, it was not bad. As Darren pointed out, nothing to be taken seriously or read anything into.
    Obviously Gabbard has previous experience so I would have expected him to have a decent game, given that he was the team starter last season for the 9ers (as bad as that went), has experience reading the field, keeping some presence in the pocket, etc. He also had a supporting cast on the 0-line and at TE who had played before, especially Toner, who was more impressive than I’ve seen from Shipley, in his ability to block. Many of the first half guys were players we know and had previous games experience under the lights which showed. I especially liked Momah, TJ Logan, Kerwan Williams, Toner and Chad Williams (very elusive dude and good blocker). Given the newness of it all, I thought Knight was better than I expected and perhaps with some grooming (and whispering) could become a good Practice Squad QB for a year. It sounds as if Stanton still is the #2 (he has the coach and the locker room) and I’m hoping they will keep 3 QBs as I don’t know if Carson will last the season, although I would love to see him come back and have another 2015 season.
    Our defense had huge holes up the middle and the D-line has me worried. White Robert Nkemdiche may have flashed a few times, he’s not going to ever fill the void created by the loss of Calais’s size, arm reach, and ability to get to the QB. Plus, he just doesn’t have the experience and football IQ at this point. I was less concerned about the job done by B. Williams at Corner than I was the open field left time-after-time up the middle. Once again, the Special Teams is a worry and could be the difference that the front office seems intent on ignoring. Dawson, at his age, could very well be lost to injury early on and there has been little effort put into correcting this part of our game that made all the difference in our season last year.
    Again, we have good talent, just not sure we have good decisions being made.

  13. By JTDG on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Scariest moment last night happened on the sidelines when Peterson jumped high in the air to give a chest bump to someone. He had to be 3 feet off the ground and all I could think of was that kicker we had to leaped in the air and blew out his knee.

    Besides Palmer, Peterson is the most important player on that field for the cards. Most fans have no idea his importance, especially seeing the absolute nothingness we ran out at CB last night.

  14. By JTDG on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    I found the Kicker experiment a interesting one. It was really smart. I would probably do it again against the raiders.

    To have the punters work on kicking in case of an in game injury is brilliant.

  15. By JTDG on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    What I learned from the game last night ;

    If Gabbert is kept clean in the pocket, plays against a vanilla defense full of back ups, he can throw the ball pretty good. That is encouraging to start with. Can it translate into something when it counts? Wait and see.

    Rookies looked like rookies.

    Budda Baker got some props but he looked like he was thinking too much instead of just playing. He needs these next 4 games to get ready. He is better than what he showed last night

    Reddick looked like he wanted to run around blocks instead of filling holes and was slow to react. He also is better than what he showed. But that is expected when you are a rookie and have a position change. He needs these next 4 games too. If Buc can get healthy, I could see him jumping over Reddick.

    TJ Logan actually looked like he was the best rookie out there. He had both a nice KO return and punt return. He is an interesting guy. Hope the wrist is OK.

    As for vets,

    Niklas and Momah played great. Both blocked well, both caught the ball. I have a feeling people should not sleep on Niklas. This could be his breakout year.

    Nkemdiche looked like a football player for the first time since putting on a cardinal uniform. Keep working big guy.

    I found it interesting that Brandon Williams was a starter at one time and the cowboys went after him again and again instead of the opposite CB. It was almost like BA and Garrett had an agreement before the game to do this. If the other teams QB steps up and sees you as the weak link to go after, that is not a good sign.

  16. By dobie on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    folks this is just preseason and it is second and third string guys some of them look good and some didn’ t lets wait until the last preseason and the first game then you will see where they are but I did see some good out there

  17. By Joe C. on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    I couldn’t watch the game but it sounds like it was positive overall. I think this team will need most of the season to jell. Regardless of their record how they are playing when they enter the playoffs is what it is all about. I’d like to keep Gabbert (and Stanton) and see what happens with Palmer. Promising starts can lead to great improvement!

  18. By Tradersbrain on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    A little off topic, but, I just read your piece “Cardinals Stint Gave Kurt Warner Canton Cred”. Absolutely fantastic work. Enjoyed it thoroughly.Thanks for reminding us just how lucky we all were to have a player like Kurt Warner wearing the Cardinals uniform.

  19. By Darren Urban on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Traderbrain —

    RE: Warner story

    I appreciate that.

    For anyone looking for it, it’s at http://www.azcardinals.com/warnerhof.

  20. By JTDG on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Christopher,

    I agree that I thought Bazzie showed enough to catch your eye. I thought the other OLB #42 Cap Capi flashed also.

    Even though the OLB spot is probably locked down with Martin and Jones as backups behind Chandler and Golden, they at least came to play and flashed.

  21. By JTDG on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,

    I was thinking about Gabbert. Is it fair to say, he is playing for a chance to compete next year to start, provided Palmer walks?

    But

    What if Palmer comes back ?

    What if Palmer walks and so does BA ? A new coach and a new system is going to want their guy at QB.

    What if a stud QB is there in round 1 next year ? Wouldn’t you play your rookie QB at some point.

    So, what Gabbert is banking on, it seems to me, is that Palmer leaves, BA stays and the cards don’t draft a round 1 QB. Seems like a long shot.

    Fair or not?

  22. By Darren Urban on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Gabbert

    He was signed for basically the minimum. Seems to me he is playing to have a job in the NFL, period.

  23. By Tradersbrain on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,

    In the post-game news conference, when asked “what he learned about his team tonight”, BA responded that “we’ve got some guys that don’t belong in the 2 minute drills at the end of the game” Did BA offer up any names?

  24. By Darren Urban on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Traders —

    RE: Names

    No. But guys playing in the last two minutes of a Hall of Fame game mostly aren’t going to be around.

  25. By SCarolinaCard on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    I understand it’s only pre season, but I don’t think the first team offense scored a touchdown in pre season last year. It was a relief to see them score twice in the first quarter, third string, or not.

  26. By Coach Arpedge Rolle on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    I enjoyed the defensive line play from the Cardinals last night. They are definitely going to be a threat this season. Nkemdiche & Capi were stand outs for me!

    My Top Defensive Plays From The Game:https://goo.gl/MrZnuU

  27. By Richard S on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    Nice to see Gabbert look effective. That’s a good way to get a first round pick without wasting a first round pick.

  28. By Scott H on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    It was amazing to see Niklas playing at all!!! Seems like he’s already been here long enough to be a vet, but…..you get the feeling this guy really could be a good player – if he could just stay healthy long enough TO play. Ya gotta root for him but….if this is yet another season of nothing from him, please, let’s pull the plug.

    Yes, Gabbert played VERY well. That was a real pleasant surprise. But it has to be tempered by the reality of what it was – a guy who has played as a starting QB in the NFL going against back-ups, 3rd stringers, less than 3rd stringers. As Darren says, he succeeded in a situation where he really should have. Still, a good start for him.

    Nkemdiche looked good most of the time. VERY good on several plays. I’d have to say his performance was my favorite take-away from last night.

    Ellington…..yeah, some nice runs. But I wonder if he ends up somewhere else this year. Just might not be a role for him here. Not a lot of confidence he would stay healthy for long if much were asked of him.

    Logan provided some excitement, and our ST’s really could use some of that.

    You get the feeling that Reddick is going to justify being taken as a first round pick.

    And I’m wondering why the CB position is not mentioned at all here, seeing as it seems to be the biggest question mark on the defensive side of the ball for this team. Last night, we really didn’t see anything that seemed to offer hope. And maybe we weren’t gonna know who our #2 CB was gonna be after the HOF game. I get that. But starting next week, they don’t get that pass anymore ( no pun intended ).

    Best thing was no injuries. And, really, that is ALL we needed to come out of that game with.

  29. By CARDS62 on Aug 4, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG

    I agree with you it was very smart to have our punters kick to see what we have in case of injuries, but I did not like what I saw. The kickoffs and the field goal try in the first half were just awful. It is one thing to miss a field goal and it is another to totally shank it. Just awful we should have drafted a punter or signed a couple out of college free agents for more competition.

    JTDG and everyone else – No one can say anything nice or predict a big year for NIklas. We can hope but we must keep it to ourselves. Poor kid just can not stay healthy.

    Brandon Williams can not see the field as a db for us this season unless we are up by a ton in the 4th quarter. Rodney G. did not show me anything. Did not like how Dallas ran the ball on us in second half or our pass rush the entire game..

    Liked our rookies a lot this game TJ Logan, Bubba Baker, H. Reddick including Robert N.who I consider a rookie. Man I hope TJ is not hurt as we need a return man in the worse way and he even looked good coming out of the backfield.

    Liked the way the TEs played and the O line.

    I said Blaine G. will beat out Drew S. for backup after we signed him and I still believe that. Blaine has a lot to prove and I agree way too early to get too excited, but I must admit I did get excited seeing a Cardinal QB actually throwing the ball to the TEs, and also score on a qb sneak instead of passing or handing off to a back 5 to 7 yards deep. Really nice to see us march the field on the first 2 drives and go up 15-0. Blaine was the best part of game 1 for me.

    Very glad we get the Falcons in Atlanta for the most important preseason game as it will tell us a lot about our Cardinals. I believe it will be the first football game at their new stadium, Mercedes -Benz Stadium. I have been reading about the stadium and it sounds really nice.

    Go Cards!

  30. By mitchaz on Aug 5, 2017 | Reply

    Darren and Fellow Birdgangers:

    Gabbert shines and yet you simply pass it off as, “Well he should have.” He’s now playing for his 8th OC in 8 years, he was playing with the Cardinals’ 2nd stringers in a 1st PS game 10 days into camp, throwing to 2nd string WRs and TEs he’s just getting to know.

    Should Drew Stanton have shined like that when he started versus 2nd stringers last year? Yet, Stanton never played even remotely as crisp and as accurately as Gabbert did. Thus, do you hold Stanton to the same standard as you now hold Gabbert?

    To me, it’s not just the fact that Gabbert put up very good numbers…it’s HOW he played. His poise, his decisiveness, his tempo and his velocity. I haven’t seen a 2nd string Cardinals’ QB throw like that in a pre-season game, especially the way he was zipping the ball into tight windows. He was totally in command, and I hope that I am not to the point, especially coming off a 7-8-1 season wherein game after game the offense came out flat as a plasterboard, where I take for granted the kind of performance that Gabbert gave the team to start this game and pre-season with a bang.

  31. By NJAzCardsFan on Aug 5, 2017 | Reply

    If I were Kiem, I would be bringing every available CB in for a tryout. The Cards defensive backfield left a lot to be desired. Chad Williams should be on the PS.
    Gabbert was impressive, we’ll see if he can continue that trend in the next few weeks.

  32. By Big Ken on Aug 5, 2017 | Reply

    This year the Cardinals have several guys that need to have a ‘breakout year’. Gabbert looked great so far. The guy is in a good place.

  33. By Coach K on Aug 5, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,

    I think the Cardinals need to keep three quarterbacks this year and one less running back until Logan returns. Ellington is less valuable than Gabbert in my opinion. What say you?

  34. By Darren Urban on Aug 6, 2017 | Reply

    Coach K —

    RE: Roster makeup

    It isn’t just between a reserve RB and a third QB. There are other positions when we are talking about the spots at the bottom of the roster.

  35. By clssylssy on Aug 5, 2017 | Reply

    Mitchaz…
    When did Stanton not play as crisp as Gabbard…in preseason, because that’s about the only time he was on the field (can’t remember if he played when Palmer hurt his finger)? But then, the receivers and entire offense ,other than Fitz ,looked pretty flat much of the time The backups job is to BACKUP the starter which Stanton has done well. The players have faith in him as does Arians so what’s your point? Gabbard has something to prove, Stanton already has performed the backup job and won games against the big boys so, I guess I’m kinda at a loss at understanding your point, or why you are in such a lather after one pre-preseason game?
    Remember, Gabbard has had 8 years and was the starter (even for the 9ers) for several seasons but lost the job to Kaepernick .I think part of his problem there was leadership, which is hugefor a backup. Maybe, he’ll blossom in our system and maybe he can’t handle the pressure when the game is for real in front of TV cameras and 50,000 screaming fans? We’ll see. HOF Game is not even real preseason so basically what we got to see is how the guys look in their uniforms.
    I agree Gabbard did appear crisp and showed poise in the pocket but got a little erratic outside of his comfort zone. Actually, given only having only a few weeks practice, I would say Knight also had some good moments and overall, I was pleasantly surprised by both.

  36. By Tim on Aug 6, 2017 | Reply

    My thoughts on the game: Gabbert looks better than Stanton, not even close. Budda Baker looks real good, Robert N. Is going to be a one man wrecking crew this season, TJ Logan looks awesome, get well fast TJ, Knight looks like not a pro qb, Special teams punting and kicking a joke; when is this team going to get this right. I’m at a wait and see approach with this team. They score 15, promptly give up the lead, miss kicks, make mental errors, slack run d. All the typical Cards stuff year after year. BA needs to play the best players, not always go by seniority. I can name a few players that look better than the established veteran starters. Until this snakebit team that lacks the basic fundamentals to play balanced special teams plays better, I don’t see a Super Bowl or even playoffs until they get it fixed. That 20-18 loss gave same angry, upset feeling that night after the game like so often last season.

  37. By mitchaz on Aug 7, 2017 | Reply

    clssy—

    Stanton deserves credit for his 6-3 record in Arizona. The concerns I have about Stanton is that none of his 6 wins came against above .500 teams and that in the games Stanton started BA got ultra conservative with his play calling. It wasn’t as if the offense didn’t skip a beat. It’s a way trimmed down offense when Stanton gets in it.

    Blaine Gabbert threw the ball better than I have ever seen Stanton throw it. He showed an ability to go through progressions in ways I have not seen from Stanton. Stanton has a high release point and when he rushes his throws, which he often does, he consistently sails passes high. His a rarely precise.

    It’s so hard to hear BA state over and over that Stanton’s supreme edge is that he knows the offense, when at no point in his 4+ years here has he shown a consistent command of it…or has BA opened the so-called offense Stanton knows up to him.

    .

  38. By clssylssy on Aug 8, 2017 | Reply

    Mitchaz…
    Yes, Gabbard looked good but I don’t think you have taken into account the 0-line.
    The 0-line Gabbard was playing behind in this exhibition game was better than what I’ve see n out of any 0-line Palmer or Stanton has had to play behind. When you consider the limited number of really good blockers on our offense (Fitz and perhaps Chris Johnson, sometimes Greshem), I still don’t think we have enough actual evidence to say Gabbard is far superior because he goes through his progressions. What happens when he can’t do that b/c he’s getting pummeled? Gabbard played for Harbauagh, IMO, one of the best coaches in football, and then was unable to hang on to the starting job in favor of a more mobile QB who could think on his feet and also had the locker room (which counts for a lot). I would be the first to admit, I don’t have all the information and this is pretty much a crap shoot but, I do respect the players who put their neck on the line for the QB and they seem to have confidence in Stanton. As recently as three days ago, according to USA Today, Arians was saying to the media that despite Gabbard’s performance in the HOF Game, he still had a long way to go to replace Stanton, point to his 6-3 record and his superior knowledge of the offense. Could this little drama be a typical BA mind game–yeah, I could see that, knowing how he loves controversy.
    I personally believe that if this is Arians last season, any new coach will purge the roster again and bring in their own people so this may all but a mute point.
    IMO, our best case scenario would be to have them both, which would give both guys a job and some visibiity until another team wants to come in and trade for one of them b/c of some kind of QB emergency. Stanton has about ten years in the NFL so he might even be considering retirement himself when Arians leaaves.
    What’s important to me is that we have good depth at the position so we never end up again knocking on the door of the playoffs without a decent QB backup.

  39. By Scott H on Aug 8, 2017 | Reply

    I always find it interesting when it needs to be pointed out how many head coaches and / or coordinators a particular QB has played for over a period of years. Because….might there not be a case to be made in the other direction as well??

    OK, maybe it is not ideal for a QB in a situation where coaches and coordinators are frequently turning over.

    But couldn’t it also be suggested that if the QB were playing better, maybe there wouldn’t be so many coaching changes?

    Just sayin. I think this needs to be considered, too.

    Also funny how GABBERT’S numbers don’t matter, it just matters how he plays. But with STANTON, people want to look at HIS numbers and they somehow manage to disregard how the team wins most of the games he plays in.

  40. By Scott H on Aug 8, 2017 | Reply

    mitchaz –

    What team in the NFL doesn’t have to trim its offense down when they need to switch over to their back-up QB?? Name one.

    C’mon, man. That is the nature of the QB position in the NFL.. There is NO team in the NFL that continues on without skipping a beat when they have to have to go from their starting QB to their back-up. If there IS? Then, that can only mean they really don’t have a real starting QB to begin with. Teams with a REAL starting QB? Yeah, they ALL drop off if / when they have to bring in the back-up.

    So, why is that a valid criticism of Stanton or any other back-up QB in the league??

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