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Posted by Darren Urban on September 10, 2017 – 4:01 pm

The Lions tried. They really did. They botched a bunch of special teams plays early, committed bad penalties, made mistakes. Yet the Cardinals would not take the game. When the Cards were finally ready to take the game – that third-quarter sequence in which they went on a 94-yard touchdown drive to take a 17-9 lead, and then forced a punt – the football gods spit on them.

Not only did David Johnson fumble – the second time in the game, a bugaboo he had when he got into the league but one he had seemed to have overcome – but he got hurt on the play. I mean, the guy had just gotten whacked on his previous touch, an impressive seam catch on the TD drive that got a first down at the Detroit 3. Johnson didn’t get up right away on that, but apparently he had the wind knocked out of him.

It wasn’t the wind but his wrist the second time. Fingers are crossed everywhere, from the Cards’ organization to fantasy football players across the globe. Bruce Arians didn’t indicate one way or another on Johnson’s health – or D.J. Humphries’ knee, for that matter – but in the context of Sunday, it was a crushing turn of events.

That wasn’t the reason the Cardinals lost, although it would’ve been interesting to see them try and follow up that long TD drive. The defense couldn’t hold up by the end. There was some pressure, but not enough on Matthew Stafford on key plays, and missed sacks a couple times that were costly.

— Carson Palmer took all the blame afterward. He knows he wasn’t good for too much of the game. It wasn’t so much the interceptions that were bothersome (I mean, you can’t have interceptions, but …) as much as a couple of out routes, about 12 or 15 yards down the field. Both plays I’m thinking of should’ve been easy completions. They were short. Bruce Arians lamented Palmer’s accuracy and said Palmer’s arm was fine. They’re going to need him to fix that, quickly.

— Palmer is going to be the quarterback. So anyone asking/complaining that there isn’t a switch is just yelling to nowhere.

— If Humphries is down for some games – Ian Rapoport was tweeting it’s a sprained knee that could be a few weeks – I wouldn’t be shocked if the Cards flip Jared Veldheer back to the left side and let John Wetzel play the right side. But we’ll see how that plays out.

— Arians noted it, and so did many players, but in the NFL, if you are handed red-zone possessions and don’t get touchdowns, that’s usually going to turn out poorly.

— One plus for the Cardinals was the speed of rookie linebacker Haason Reddick. He had eight tackles, and showed his range sideline-to-sideline. I also thought John Brown played pretty well too, and Andre Ellington flashed in his brief appearance. New safety Antoine Bethea looked good too, especially in the first half.

— You don’t want to see Justin Bethel, after a solid game, be on the wrong side of those two late TD passes. But that last catch by Kenny Golladay was amazing, the way he laid out.

— Long flight back to Arizona coming. It’ll be longer because of how the game went.


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57 Responses to “Lions aftermath”

  1. By Eric brucec on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Hey Darren, how long before the Cap Capi questions starting coming in?

  2. By Moto11 on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    My Card’s were awful and a blast from the past. The offense line was offensive, the nursing home special teams looked to be on life support, nice pick up on those old-timers Steve, and David Johnson looked to be a future trivia answer for one hit wonders.‬

  3. By faster on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    nevertheless, let me “yelling to nowhere”, if palmer plays like this in the next game, i want to see stanton in the second half.
    if palmer plays like this in the enxt game, something is seriously wrong, either he has again a injury, or he is ill, and need a time out.

    after the first half i thought, the defense was very good, special teams made no blunder, the offense was a bit dense, but hey, first game.
    but in the second half they showed everything what went wrong last year.
    everything and a missed field goal from 35 yards?

    the only positive about this sunday is, the seahawks offense with wilson is even a bit more bad then ours.
    so, we can win the division, if johnson is healthy. but against the packers or the panthers that will not be enough.

  4. By D on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    About as bad a start to a season as you could fear. Poor play across the board, injuries to key players. I know Palmer took the blame and he should but that Oline played badly. They will have to move Veldheer back to Left tackle until DJ is healthy because Wetzel isn’t good over there. Impati played bad and Palmer had pressure up the front and around his feet all day, no wonder he had happy feet. Boehm is too small for Guard, needs to be a backup at Center and try Boone at RG. Lucky for them Indy doesn’t have a good Dline. The only positives for AZ today is Bethel will be okay, Reddick appears to be a solid player and Seattle lost. Let’s hope DJ will be okay because without him, this is a 6 win team.

  5. By DZ on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Looks to me that it’s the same ole same ole. Look no further than the O line and Coaching for today’s loss.
    The O line couldn’t open any holes or give Palmer time to throw where he wanted to go.
    The coaching was a joke. If Palmer doesn’t have time to make those mid and long throws, than run quick hitters and take advantage of Detroit’s aggressive D line play. Put TE or RB over to help Wetzel with a chip play or saty in to block. The key has always been to give Palmer time and we still haven’t figured out how to do that.
    Running/throwing to David Johnson on almost every play for 1.5 quarters, what we that all about? You use all of your arsenal to open the game for your big hitters to bust one. Not run then every play so it’s easy for the defence to key on one guy.
    Going to be a long season if we can’t make game time adjustments like we did back in 2015.

  6. By Coach K on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Good that Palmer stood up and took the blame. It was clearly not the way a proven veteran QB should play. He was simply not prepared. But I have to say this after replaying the game and watching closely, the offensive line got ZERO MOVEMENT on the Lions D-line. Detroit totally controlled the line of scrimmage.

    When you cannot run the ball, there is no way your passing game will work. I hope David is okay, but losing David was my worst fear. Glad to see Williams and Ellington step up and play decent. But it didn’t matter because Detroit controlled our offensive line. They pushed our guards and center into the backfield and forced Palmer to move of his spot. Our tight ends got stood up and manhandled. It was painful to watch on replay.

    The Defense played well considering they had short fields to defend thanks to the turnovers.

    Grades: Offense D- Defense- B

  7. By Dan on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Offensive line looked like crap……..Palmer looked like a dud……..Bethel can’t run in a straight line……Kemdeche or whatever his name is is a useless pos……I say throw some panties on him and some pom poms. John Brown…..yawn…..Reddick……stud. FG kicker, needs more experience…Lol. Man that was tough to watch…..can’t even dominate a 2nd string defensive line, pretty sad. Nice to see the refs still suck.

  8. By Jo Ball on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    That was just an ugly game. I don’t know it was rust but these guys just didn’t look ready. All that rest in the preseason to key guys probably didn’t help. Palmer looked old… no zip on his passes. I know it’s just one game but wow. The O-line was being bullied all game. No lanes for David(hope he’s fine). From where I’m sitting, the lions are just an average team. Keep in mind that they also made a ton of mistakes. Good teams don’t lose to average teams who make a ton of mistakes.

  9. By NJAzCardsFan on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    8-8 if we are lucky,,,,,,!!!
    Palmer looked indecisive, he held the ball too long and the safety valve receivers looked wide open. Another game like this one…. The Cards Fans will be looking forward to his retirement. There wasn’t many holes for DJ to breakthrough on the ground either. I thought the play calling was horrible. BA relies too much on DJ. 2 years ago, the Cards offense was very effective when Palmer was throwing to 10-12 different receivers in a game. The pass rush looked like they too, took the second half off, as did the DB’s. On the plus side,Reddick and Branch looked like they came to play and the Lions were impressive…… UGH!!!!!!!!!!

  10. By NJAzCardsFan on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Darren- If DJohnson is out for an extended period, do you see CJ2K coming back???

  11. By Darren Urban on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    NJAz —

    RE: Chris Johnson

    I wouldn’t rule it out.

  12. By TucsonTim on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Is Palmer’s arm really OK? Why did he need to rest his arm before the season even started?

  13. By dkerry5242 on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    The Cards really looked bad. Palmer looked old, often missing receivers short. The offensive line was pathetic. We could not run the ball at all. Iupati just doesn’t have it anymore. If Humphries is out for any length of time we will be hard pressed to win with this offensive line. The defense also looked out of sinc after the they helped the offense to an early lead. Where was Mathieu? He rarely made any plays and Bethel was beat twice for touchdowns that sealed the loss.
    I don’t know what Arians saw when he said the team looked ready to start the season and they couldn’t wait to play.
    Granted it’s only one game; but that’s the same excuse they used last year.

  14. By Tradersbrain on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    I’m more than willing to hold my opinion of this team until after the Indy game, next week. However, it is troublesome that Palmer continues to struggle on the road against out of the division teams.On the bright side, Haason Reddick looks like a future star.

  15. By georgiebird on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,
    I’m going to yell to nowhere- Carson Palmer is nothing more than a decent QB If there are 32 QBs in the NFL- then Palmer is about #20- not the worst but far from the best.
    Having watched Jim Hart’s Cardinals’ career from 1966 to 1983- I can tell you without any doubt in my mind that Palmer is the second coming of Hart.
    To sum up Palmer and Hart-
    Nice guys who throw a great looking pass but don’t rush me.

  16. By JTDG on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Bethel had a solid game???? What ?

    Golliday (remember, their rookie 3rd receiver, not #1 or even #2, but a rookie #3) dropped a couple passes early. Then lit up Bethel for two 4th quarter, game crushing TDs. . I saw a rookie receiver drop a TD, drop a ball down the sideline, before finally catching 3 balls, including two forth quarter TDs.

    Not sure what game you were watching?

    On the one play he made, It was Josh Bynes knocking down the receiver , leaving no receiver. The ball was thrown right to him. Special play by Bynes.

    But he wasn’t the only one. How about the Badger? Tate had 10 catches for over 100 yards. Even the announcers said maybe they should move Peterson over on Tate. Badger had 3 tackles and Zero passes defensed.

    I know. We will play the Colts next week and that team is so bad, the Rams had 2 pick 6’s. So they will play well and everyone will say see, it was just one game.

    But we will see. I think we will see more of the same.

  17. By joe holst on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    D-line is absolutely awful, Calais Campbell had 4 sacks why didn’t we ante up and let Jermaine Grisham, Drew Stanton Antoine Bethea walk or not sign and we would have Calais where he belongs, Time to rebuild,

  18. By JTDG on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    As for the rest of the players, Their was a concern about the oline and Palmer getting hit in the offseason. Little was done to address this issue. I watched one of the worst pass rushing dlines get constant pressure on the QB. There was zero running game. Terrible job on the oline.

    Palmer has 3 picks and DJ loses a fumble. Can’t win that way.

    We got nothing deep. Nothing. JJ Nelson had a chance on a deep one but dropped it when he saw the safety coming over. John Brown 4 catches for 32 yards? Is he now a possession receiver?

    The Lions wanted to give the game away and what I saw was a team that looked old, slow and uninspired.

    I have no doubt we will beat up the colts next week. With no luck, they will battle the Jets for the worse team. But there is no way this team beats the cowboys playing like this.

  19. By aschatte on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    As you already said, Carson Palmer is still going to be the QB…well nothing much else to say then, since that’s pretty much the end this season. At this point, Its hard to understand this organization any more, do they really want to win a Super Bowl??? Doesn’t looks that is the case at all and I dont blame them, when you are not good enough, makes no sense to try any further. What difference does it make if Ryan Fitzpatrick or Carson Palmer starts for this team at this point. We have been harping on that we need a QB for the future, but absolutely nothing has been done to go forward on that regard. How bad can Blaine Gabbert be at this point..at least you would have an idea where stands if you still think he can be our future QB. The defense did exceptionally well in the first quarter but after that amazing performance by our offense, its hard to blame them that they give up in the end. You think 2016 was bad, just wait and watch the 2017 season, I had this team winning 9 games but its clear even that is a far fetched idea. If DJ is done for the season, There is not nothing much to keep this offense afloat. Just like a stock trader, I would short this team out. What I do care about is Larry – He deserved a better good bye than this awfulness that we call a professional team. As far as Keim and co are concerned, maybe keep them for another year and see if there is any improvement (not expected at all) but if pigs and fly – The coaching is a complete travesty with this team, whether the players are bad or the coaching is awful…who knows! RIP

  20. By JTDG on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    One more thing about the comment that Bethel played 3 good quarters;

    The Falcons won the superbowl if you take away the 4th quarter. Unfortunately, you have to play 60 minutes. Right?

    Great players make plays in the 4th quarter. They close out games. Brady made the plays to beat the Falcons. So the Patriots took home the Trophy. The aren’t sharing it because the Falcons won the first 3 quarters.

    Now I disagree with you that Bethel played well the first 3 quarters. I think the Rookie 3rd receiver had some drops. But even if I take your side and say he did play well for 3 quarters, is anyone happy with that? Unfortunately, they play 4 quarters and I watched Bethel give up 2 TDs against a rookie.

    Not Golden Tate, Not Marvin Jones, The 3rd receiver who was a rookie.

  21. By creditcard on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Lets’ put this loss as a math equation:

    Five (5) matadors + one (1) time consuming vertical passing game + one (1) immobile quarterback = Sixteen (16) losses + one (1) hospitalized QB.

    Mathematics never lies.

  22. By Larso on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    O-line did not look good :(. I hope both Dj´s get well soon and i hope that lions clown get fined for the gresham suplex

  23. By creditcard on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Because of the porous line play, and that Palmer is arguably the slowest and least mobile QB in the league; this combination as demonstrated by a below average Lions D-line, will lead to multiple losses and injuries.

    I know Darren noted about not changing the QB, but someone needs to look at the ethics of putting Palmer’s life on the line.

    I think the Cards need to play Gabbert, have a short passing attack, and have / use Gabbert’s ability to scramble. Do this, until the organization is certain they’ve fixed the O-line issue.

    In the 2nd half literally all four of the Lion D-linemen were getting through the Card O-line without much effort. Carson Palmer literally was getting drilled after each pass attempt. At this pace, he will not last to the bye week.

    The Cards must address the poor line play — which will take weeks, but in the meantime get the most mobile QB on the field. The Cards probably would not win with Gabbert back there, but I think they will not with Palmer back there with the same porous line play.

    Better to lose a couple games, then the entire season

  24. By JTDG on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    By The Way;

    Did anyone notice Calais Campbell had 4 sacks today ??? Could have used him today.

  25. By Matthew Tucker on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Urban I’m very disappointed of the outcome of the game as I’m sure all cardinals fans are feeling the same way. You hit the nail on the head the Lions practically gave them the game in the beginning, pick 6 interception, and the botched punt, but the O had to settle for fg. I thought the Cards D did a great job shutting down the run game of the Lions. It just seemed Palmer and the offense never found their rhythm, expect for the long 94 yard touchdown drive. That fumble by DJ after the D forced a 3 & out from the Lions changed the entire complexion of the game and the team was not able to recover. Also that missed chip shot fg by Dawson was a back breaker. The D played good for 3 qts & then Stafford and the Lions found their rhythm in the 4th and put the game away scoring 20 points. I really hope they will make adjustments that will carry over next week vs the Colts. It’s very unfortunate Humphries will miss a couple of weeks with a sprained knee. I hope DJ can come back from that wrist injury. Either way the team must get better watch film correct the mistakes that were made. In the NFL as you know nobody cares if you have injuries and this team cannot afford them or starting the season 0-2.

  26. By Erik on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    I know for the past few years some people wanted to see the Cardinals play a 4-3 defense instead of 3-4.

    I am not saying they should do that now, I just wanted to say I was always curious how Campbell would have been had he played edge in a 4-3.

    He had 4 sacks today doing that for Jacksonville. Good for him.

  27. By Don on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    You don’t mention what I think was the biggest problem and one probably not fixable anytime soon. Our O-line was terrible. Last season the O-line was not playing well even before the injuries yet everyone kept talking about injuries like that was the reason they were bad.The lions don’t have a top D-line even when they have all their best people playing which they didn’t yet they pressured Palmer at will and shut DJ down. I’m really trying not to be negative about our season but the other problems/mistakes are fixable, the O-line is going to make it a long season for Palmer. Or not.

  28. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Week 1 in one sentence: Nkemdiche doesn’t play, and Campbell has four sacks.

  29. By Former C-130 Pilot on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    It’s “deja vu all over again”. (Credit to Yogi). See 2016.

    It’s a good thing that BA saved Palmer’s arm in Training Camp and Preseason.. His arm was strong and accurate against the Lions. LOL After all, we wouldn’t want his arm to be tired during games that are meaningful, would we???

    A big THAKS to Keim. He’s assembled a Super Bowl roster: Dawson, missing a 32 yard FG?, Bethel (SK and BA: “he’s much improved”); an O-Line that cannot provide running lanes and a defense that was supposed to be the strength of the team etc. Oh, well, what did we expect from SK who was going to “BE AGGRESSIVE” in Free Agency.

    Oh BTW, why can’t the Cards score TDs in the Red Zone? And, how many times were the TEs targeted? Might it be the Offensive Coordinator?

    I’m sure that Darren will dispute my comments e.g. It’s too early to write of this season; Palmer just had an off day and the O-Line didn’t give him enough time,; Dawson and Bethel just had an off day and will get better; the O-Line had injuries, and Keim was RESPONSIBLY aggressive. Re: the Red Zone: O-Line injuries didn’t allow the Cards to run effectively,;the WRs ran the wrong routes, we all know that BA doesn’t pass to the TEs as much as the WRs, and more rationalization etc.

    7-9, Boys and Girls, but the Cards will make the playoffs next season after another “AGGRESSIVE” Free Agency and another excellent draft.

  30. By Steve88 on Sep 10, 2017 | Reply

    Oooooh boooy!!!

  31. By Scott H on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    On the FOX post-game show after the Seattle / GB game, Strahan spoke specifically to the concerns that Cardinals fans should feel right now about Palmer, making the point that the Cardinals offense has too many weapons to be playing like it did today. Is he wrong? No, he is not. That is right on. It’s one game, but…..at this point, these head-scratching performances from Palmer are getting to be a bit much. He was awful yesterday, period. Were there other problems? Yes. But Strahan is right – with the weapons this team has on offense, the Cardinals should be able to turn a game like yesterday’s into a shootout. The Lions were up to it. The Cardinals were not. And that is largely on Palmer. For whatever share of the blame the offense takes for yesterday, it starts and ends with Carson Palmer.

    We are not gonna know anything more about this team that means anything for another two weeks. Because the Colts, without Luck, look like they could be THE worst team in the league right now. If that is not a double-digit win for the Cardinals, then we should be disappointed. If it is close / ugly win for the Cardinals, we should remain highly concerned. If it is a loss for the Cardinals, we should be out-raged. But I don’t think we find out any more about this team until we play the Cowboys.

    Bethel? Ya know what? Sorry, but you don’t get to play a solid game for 3 quarters, then implode in the 4th, playing a starring role in how this game went down the tubes. Yeah, again, it’s one game. But one game is all we have to go on right now and the initial impression is not positive. I paid close attention to who was getting beaten on those late TD passes from Stafford and it was just no real surprise at all that it was Justin Bethel. And don’t think EVERY team we play this season isn’t gonna be going after him. Why shouldn’t they? With PP on the other side? Yeah, right. Bethel is going to be under fire every week. And it appears that if / when we are up against a QB that is good enough to take advantage of that…..Bethel is probably not gonna be up to it.

    Campbell had a monster game his first week out in J-ville. And I really do want to hear from some of the people who spent the last couple of seasons complaining about how over-rated he was. Seriously. I want to know what you think now.

    The injury to DJ is a concern, for sure. But I said it several times along the way and Darren said it, too, in a recent article, that this offense needs Palmer to play well. If he doesn’t, there is not enough that David Johnson can do to make up for it. If DJ is gonna be out and Palmer continues to play like THIS? Forget it. As I stated elsewhere, this is not going to be a team that anyone needs to take seriously.

  32. By Eric G on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    It’s games like this that make me hate being a cards fan sometimes. This was pathetic. This leads me to feel like the team will be a 6-10 team, not a 10-6 team. I hate feeling like that. I feel like that though. This was pitiful.

  33. By Marlin on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Terrible Play Calling

  34. By shannon robinson on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    No team wins a tournament without winning the first game. Fortunately, the Tournament hasn’t started yet until after the League matches are complete. This is the marathon portion of our schedule. Like Fitz said, I’m more worried about players’ health right now. Prayer works. In my experience, I’ve coached a number of championship college rugby teams when we lost our first game of the season. Managing urgency and not panic is important. Good recovery opponent next and then the big burrito when Dallas comes to town. We have to now create excitement out of disappointment, much less the tendency to recrimination or depression which saps a team’s strength. This is what coaching is all about. So a Tip of the Cards’ Wing to the Coaching staff and Trainers in the week ahead to get us going again.

  35. By cactus jeff on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Hey JTDG

    Who said Watt was the best player in draft?
    Keep Calais and draft Watt = 10.5 tackles, 6 sacks and 1 int
    Reddick and Chandler Jones = 10 tackles, 1 sack and 0 int

    Another thing, please no more “versatile player” talk, it means they are too small or too slow for their natural position.

  36. By erik on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    It’s so shocking to see Justin Bethel have a poor performance! If only the team had a way to anticipate that he was not capable of playing the CB #2 position. If only they had like, 5 years worth of game tape to watch, or something like that.

    Oh well.

  37. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    A few things:

    (1) It is virtually impossible to win in the NFL with a -3 turnover margin. I think the stats show something like a 95% winning percentage for a team with a +3 margin. So even if you otherwise play well, it’s tough to win. That said, the Lions had that play by their punter where he tried to run the ball out and we got the ball on the 10, which is basically the equivalent of them fumbling deep in their own territory and equivalent to a turnover. And we couldn’t punch it in. Even after being given a second set of downs after the leaping penalty.

    (2) One game is just that … one game. Heck, the defending champion Falcons were a goal-line stand from losing to the Bears. The Giants’ offense looked worse than ours, and that’s hard to do. And, at the end of the day, winning on the road is hard against anyone — and this was a road game against a playoff team led by a player who was just made the highest paid player in the NFL. Not saying that makes him the best QB, but he’s not chopped liver. This was going to be a tough game to win regardless. Still, how many points did our offense actually score when it mattered (i.e., not counting the garbage-time TD at the end)? Answer: 7. The other 10 points were scored by the defense or set up by the aforementioned play on the punt. And now that offense will probably be without its best player and its left tackle for a while.

    (3) The D looked great at the beginning — excellent one-on-one tackling by several players.

    (4) I am not nearly the football fan as many others on this board. But even with my fairly casual knowledge of the game, I can predict with almost perfect accuracy on a given play whether the Cards are going to run or pass. And I’m not just talking about on obvious passing downs like 3rd and 11. I mean it’s 1st and 10 and we line up with DJ in the backfield and I say to my son, “We’re going to pass here” and Palmer throws an incompletion. Next play they line up in the same formation and I say, “He’s going to hand it off to DJ” and they do and he he gets stuffed for a yard. Now, if I can predict this, then one can guess that the other team probably can as well. Why aren’t we calling audibles to change the play when the Lions have 7 or 8 guys in the box?

  38. By Dynosoar on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    So my takeaways,

    Enjoyed seeing a real game again and not a replay of an older game. Yeah, I want a win as much as anyone, but the first game will tell a good coach what adjustments are needed more than practices and pre-season scrimmages. And I believe Arians is better than a good coach.

    I watched Iupati get flagged for an illegal block and from the screen I watched on, he didn’t even make contact with the opponent. That cost us 15 yards.

    I watched Fitzgerald drop how many passes, I’ve never seen that.

    I watched two passes go to a Lions defender for interceptions with no Cardinals player in the area. And two injuries that concern me greatly (Humphries and Johnson.)

    I also watched the first game of the season. If we’re playing like this against Dallas, I will be concerned. If Fitzgerald continues to drop the ball I will be concerned. If our O-Line doesn’t get to pushing for our RBs I’ll be concerned. I don’t like the loss, but at this point I’m not concerned. (While I’m not concerned, I do respect all of ya’ll that are, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t state my thoughts.)

  39. By Gerald Jones on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    We need a mobile quarterback. Bring in Gabbert

  40. By Glenn Pittsley on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    As a lions fan I hope you guys are wrong, I hope the cards dominate this season, why? Because I’d like to think we beat a good team. But if everthing falls apart, and your coaches and management botch the entire season, just know that I am here for you because, as a lions fan, I know what that is like.

  41. By JTDG on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Hey Eric,

    Bethel;

    Doesn’t it mean something to you that he played “solid” for 3 quarters?
    Who cares about playing in the 4th quarter.

    He can use those 3 quarters to build on, if only those stupid receivers don’t beat him like a rented mule in the 4th quarter.

  42. By JTDG on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Cactus Jeff,

    TJ Watt;

    Oh, the last name alone tells you he has a chance to be a player. Not to mention he only played a short time at his spot and excelled in college.

    With so many holes on the cards, it was tough to say let a pass rusher in Jones walk to draft another one. Needed that pick to take a receiver / CB. Oh wait, we didn’t take either? Never mind.

  43. By TucsonTim on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Agree the play calling was bad, too. The offense was moving the ball in the first quarter. Humphreys goes out with the ball close to mid field and Wetzel comes in on a 3rd and short. The running play to Wetzel’s side was totally blown up and the drive stalls. Wetzel was pathetic at left tackle the rest of the game.

    If you thought the O-line was bad last year, this looked much worse against a mediocre D-line, Palmer could be on IR after the Dallas game.

    Fortunately, we get to play an exhibition game against Indy next week. Need a big time trade for a tackle.

  44. By StinkyPete on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    This game definitely reminded me of a Whisenhunt era game. Bad offensive line play, a quarterback who looked scared and lost due to bad pass protection and a stubborn coach who refuses to make adjustments and instead sticks to his original game plan (even if it doesn’t work). I haven’t given up on the Cards yet, but after what I saw yesterday, this team does not look playoff bound.

  45. By Chris G. on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    First of all I should apologize for the loss yesterday. I wore my lucky hat in the first three quarters and then my wife said ” why aren’t you wearing your new BA cap”? We could blame her for bringing it up, but I’m the one who will take full responsibility.
    Besides my hat, another factor in the lose could be that the oldest roster in the league looked the part. Everything we did on Offense was slow and predictable. If the old timers can handle doing it, we may want to consider a faster tempo.
    I thought the Defense looked fast and smart as advertised in the first half. Bynes played for the Lions last year and seemed to know ahead of time what was coming, thus the gift wrapped pick six for Bethel. The offense put the D in a bad position in the third, and instead of getting fired up and pissed off, they seemed to wilt and started hanging their heads. It was all downhill from there. I think enthusiasm is a great asset and most winning teams have it. They show it even more when they get behind or down, they rally the troops. So turn those frowns upside down defense, keep fighting, stay angry, stay hyped up. After all we may need you to be ones who score all of the points this year.
    When all is said and done I love my Cardinals and it looks like I may have picked the wrong season to quit drinking.

  46. By Scott H on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Shannon –

    Well, if we already need a “recovery opponent” in Week 2……what does that say? I was hoping for better. I was hoping for 2-0 rolling into the home opener against Dallas. Right now, that is looking like a game we could get pasted in on national TV.

    I was hoping you weren’t gonna end with your usual tip of the Cardinal wing because, frankly, I don’t think anyone deserves one after that game. You are a better person than I am.

  47. By TucsonTim on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    ” It wasn’t so much the interceptions that were bothersome (I mean, you can’t have interceptions, but …) as much as a couple of out routes, about 12 or 15 yards down the field. Both plays I’m thinking of should’ve been easy completions”… Yes indeed, those passes looked like someone with an arm strength issue…way off the mark short and no zip..

    Actually, the overthrow to a wide open Brown that resulted in an interception was a pass lofted down the middle instead of firing it on a line.

    If I remember, we opened up against Detroit in 2015 with a bomb to Brown. I couldn’t see how deep the safeties were playing, but I didn’t see anything going down field. Even with a 10 point lead, there was very little risk it and a lot of stuffed running plays.

  48. By drblogubc on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    BOINNNGGG!
    What was that sound at the end of the first half? It reminded me of something … I can’t quite put my finger on it.
    And this team reminds me of another one from last year but that escapes me at the moment as well.
    Anyway … 3-13 anybody?

  49. By Coach K on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Well, I hope everyone got their frustration out on this blog.

    Darren,

    What is the status of David’s wrist?

    What about Humphries?

    Is Boone ready to replace either Guard?

  50. By Darren Urban on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Coach K —

    RE: Injuries

    http://blog.azcardinals.com/2017/09/11/keim-bad-day-in-detroit-no-injury-updates/

  51. By clssylssy on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    As easy is it to fault the players, it all starts a little higher up the food chain. Going into the game w Nkemdiche again on the injury list and not playing to start his second season, I was prepared to have our defense struggle w a weakened and unproven D-line. Robert was BASK’s answer to not keeping Campbell and letting our best defensive playmakers walk. I mean ,we all know that our 0-line has always been bad but, I was giving it the benefit of the doubt, hoping it was at least serviceable. Cutting CJ was going to mean being w/o one of our best run blockers but, hey our FO knew this and so I assumed our TEs would be more of a weapon, and I believe that was the plan. But, what a total cluster; the play calling and decision making was the real problem and once again we saw our FO throw the players under the bus.
    I have always been concerned about Arians habit of becoming infatuated with a player early in their career then building the entire offense around them, over using them ,and becoming predictable in the plays called–we saw it with Ellington, then John Brown, and now DJ. What happened yesterday was just entirely too predictable, perhaps that it happened in our first game might be a good thing as we still may have a chance at getting DJ back at some point, and hopefully our FO got a reality check for the need to actually FIX things rather than playing musical chairs, trying to make do with what we have a rig an 0-line to being something it”s not. Also, as the commentators pointed out, there are enough weapons available that Arians needs to get more creative and use the talent he has more efficiently.
    While everyone seems comfortable blaming the players, we need to remember who they take their marching orders from. Our defense was our saving grace to begin with and I kept hoping the offense would “find themselves” in time to kick in and help scoring points. BA normally blitzes at least 45% of the time but yet yesterday, knowing that Stafford’s signature is to pour it on in the last quarter for come from behind wins, Arians quit blitzing to something like 15% just when we needed a strong defense the most. After DJ got hurt, it was like everybody quit and through in the towel,
    Palmer had a bad game, but he wasn’t the only one–it was a total team loss top to bottom. I thought to myself, if I were a Captain and knew I was having an off day, wouldn’t the best decision be to suggest to Coach that he put in someone else? I don’t think BA would ever allow that bc he is stubborn and arrogant. The fact is BA looked like he was checked out himself and I saw none of the typical animated signs of life from him on the sidelines so what else could we expect?
    I do think it was a classy thing for Belichick to assume responsibility for the Patriot’s loss, which is why he is the GOAT and one reason the Patriots can rebound from their losses, turning them into fuel for Championships.

  52. By Jahstone on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    What makes you think we’re going to walk all over the Colts in an away game that’s EARLY on Sunday AM?

    Cards 16 – Colts 13…Dawson has “redemption”…SMH

  53. By Richard S on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Who would have thought this late in the season, we’d be only one game behind the Rams.

  54. By JohnnyBluenose on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Eric G….completely agree with you. I look forward to our Cardinals winning and when they lose like they did yesterday, leaving me with little or no optimism for the rest of the year, I am beyond frustrated. Last year was a big step backwards. This year certainly looks like one more big step in the same direction. Ten or so years ago Kurt Warner was given an opportunity in Arizona to salvage his football career. I would not be surprised to see Blaine Gabbert given the same opportunity in the upcoming weeks, assuming Arians loses some of his stubbornness. Really, his act has gotten very. very old.

  55. By dan on Sep 12, 2017 | Reply

    palmer arm not the problem….brain.

  56. By JamesSamuels on Sep 13, 2017 | Reply

    It’s funny how this blog of Cardinals fans are so Biased and can’t even mention ANY good on how BETHEL played in Detroit.
    Bethel is Dogged out on his mistakes like He lost the game by himself but Patrick and Tyrann are always excused for their bad plays.
    THE REAL DEAL…..
    Pro football focus(a non-bias team of analyst) gave Bethel a 80.0 PFF score against Detroit and also gave Peterson a PFF of 80.0.
    HoneyBadger received a PFF score of 45.8.
    Golden Tate had 10 catches for over 100yds on The Badger?
    No body mentions Patrick Peterson who got beat on the FIRST Detroit touchdown on the board?

    Arians thought the Cardinals’ pass rush hung Bethel out to dry.

    “We’ve got to get to the quarterback when they run that deep corner route,” Arians said. “We’ve got to get pressure. He covered him long enough. That’s on the defensive line.”

    Yes Bethel gave up plays at the last 5 minutes and it was detrimental … but We still can’t ignore the fact that Betheldid play well for 2 1/2 hours especially when it is very plain to see…that’s Bias.

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