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Cardinals will indeed see embattled Elliott

Posted by Darren Urban on September 21, 2017 – 2:56 pm

Considering a few weeks ago, it was the Cowboys, not the Cardinals, who were going to be missing their star running back for the teams’ “Monday Night Football” matchup, things have changed considerably. David Johnson, of course, is out after wrist surgery. Ezekiel Elliott, who was once expected to be suspended at this point, will play as his case winds through the courts.

Elliott gained only eight yards rushing last week on nine carries, a combination of Denver’s defense and the hole the Cowboys found themselves within. Elliott shrugged off the idea the Broncos might have found the blueprint of how to slow the Dallas offense.

“Every week people stack the box,” Elliott told Dallas reporters. “It’s not something we’ve seen for the first time.”

Elliott has had a doubly rough week. Already dealing with the suspension hanging over his head and then getting stuffed by the Broncos, Elliott was then seen at the end of the game stopping completely after a Dak Prescott interception, making no effort to even try to get to a tackle.

(“I would say I was just very frustrated, but that’s no excuse for the lack of effort I showed on tape,” he said. “I just can’t do that. Being one of the leaders on the team and being a guy that people count on, I can’t put that type of stuff on film.” Elliott added, “I wasn’t myself.”)

The Cardinals have done a decent job against the run in their first two games. The Lions gained only 82 yards on the ground and the Colts 76. But neither team has the rushing potential of the Cowboys, with Elliott and one of the best offensive lines in the league. Holding him to less than 10 yards would be great — but unrealistic. Containing him somewhat is the goal, trying to mitigate whatever advantage an Elliott-minus-David-Johnson equation creates.


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25 Responses to “Cardinals will indeed see embattled Elliott”

  1. By faster on Sep 21, 2017 | Reply

    starting stanton is maybe the wrong term, what i think is, if stanton plays the first two quarters, he could take away a lot of hits on palmer.

    remember, carson palmer is 37, and imo if he would play fresh in the second half, he could be a lot more effective.

    we have a similar situation at RBs, where we have on of the all time greats in cj2k, but he`s 31, thats old for a RB. and so BA plays him by comittee.

    why not make a similar solution for palmer? for me he is one of the best, if he plays at his peak (remember 2015 and the mvp discussion), but we have also one of the best backups in stanton (remember his win against the seahawks).
    so why not let stanton take some hits in the opening quarters (sorry, no oun intended), and then, when the defense is a bit more tired, let palmer play his long balls?

    i know, QB by comittee isn`t a conservative concept in the NFL, and the NFL is very conservative, but why not try?
    maybe some games later this discussion will be moot, because palmner get his footing, but would it hurt against the cowboys?

    gabbert? i won`t comment on his abilities, but i doubt, he is really ready now for BAs system. palmer used to need half a season in 2013.

    so, maybe i should write, did i mention lately that i want to take stanton some hits as QB early against the cowboys?

  2. By Coach K on Sep 21, 2017 | Reply

    CBS Sports listed the top five schools that provide the top ranked, most successful NFL offensive lineman. I hope Mr. Keim is aware of this list.

    OFFENSIVE LINE U COMPARISON

    TEAM NFL STARTS

    1. Michigan 678
    2. LSU 670
    3. Boston College 631
    4. Miami 610
    5. Wisconsin 572

    Apparently these schools teach lineman what they need to know to be successful in the NFL. Would like to see a Tackle, Guard and Center drafted from any of these five schools next year based on their history of success as O-line factories.

  3. By Scott H on Sep 21, 2017 | Reply

    I swear…..WHERE IS THE JUSTICE?? The Cardinals lose their total good-guy RB to injury, probably for the season. Meanwhile, the evil-empire Cowboys seem to get their RB back for what will probably the season.

    Seems like the innocent going to jail while the criminals go free.

    And that just plain sucks.

    Look for the twisted dance that now goes on between the NFL, the player’s association, and the legal system to push this suspension into next season, ala Tom Brady.

    And what a joke that will be. And who knows, maybe the fates will reward the Cowboys with a Super Bowl, just as they did for the Pats after Brady’s suspension.

    How friggin wonderful will that be?

  4. By Coach K on Sep 21, 2017 | Reply

    faster

    I think Gabbert is the future and a draft pick next year to learn behind him.

    Stanton is one of the best backup QB’s in the league right now, but as a starter, he’s not shown as well game in game out. as a backup, he’s awesome.

  5. By Scott H on Sep 21, 2017 | Reply

    faster / Coach K –

    Folks, you can’t just put a back-up QB out there for the sole purpose of taking a pounding so your starting QB won’t have to! That is crazy.

    faster isn’t saying ANYTHING about Stanton’s ability to PLAY or to spark this offense. He is point-blank saying we should put Stanton out there so we can get him killed instead of Palmer.

    Not to mention the fact that if Palmer is going to find it, he needs to find it on the field, in the action. He ain’t gonna find it on the sidelines. What is magically going to come to him as he watches Stanton take a bunch of hits?

    Why are we even talking about this??

  6. By clssylssy on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    I hope every player and coach was watching TNF to see what we’re going to be up against and the GRIT and PASSION, it is going to take to win this division or have success going forward. I have to say I was impressed with both the 9ers and the Rams, their physicality and total commitment to the win for the full 60. Gotta give those organizations credit for going out and getting players who are going to help them get the win.
    I’m officially concerned that our Cards bad habit of sleeping for a good part of the game is something that won’t easily be changed in time.
    Hopefully, the thought of ending in the cellar of our division, will inspire this team to get the lead out and play some smart football against Dallas getting a W!

  7. By MIke B (Ottawa) on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Remember Ryan Lindley? He earned 3rd-string on the Canadian Football League’s Ottawa REDBLACKS. Guess what? First two QBs are likely too injured to play tonight. Lindley gets the start! In the last game, Lindley was 7/14 Ottawa at Winnipeg, 8pm EST Start Sep22. In the last game, where Ottawa beat up Montreal, Lindley came in, was 7/14 for 76 yards and an INT. (Has Lindley thrown any INTs in the past? I don’t remember…) Ironically, the INT resulted in a safety. In the CFL, if one runs out of the end zone with the ball sideways or backwards, that is a safety. (there is an offset rule that you can kick it out of the end zone anytime, and rarely we see a situation at the end of a game where a punt into the end zone gets picked up and punted out of the end zone and back in again all in the same play). Anyways, Lindley has made friends on the team by trying to learn French, and the French Canadians on the team nicknamed him ‘Steve Vachon’. Lindley has some chemistry with them, in particular FB Lavoie. Winnipeg will likely win, but it will be fun to see what happens.

  8. By TucsonTim on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Whitworth looked pretty good didn’t he. He would look even better wearing Cardinal red.

    Why take chances on OL draft picks. Cooper was considered by almost everyone as a sure thing. Maybe he shouldn’t have gone quite so high, but the consensus was that he would be a good if not great NFL guard.

    So either it is just as hard to predict the success of an OL as it is a QB in the NFL, or the Cardinals are especially terrible in developing OL talent. Maybe it’s both.

    Bottom line, we have PFF second worst OL in the NFL and that means we aren’t going anywhere. Pay up, or what the heck, trade some draft picks for some PROVEN talent.

    With the new CBA there is a $ advantage to getting a draft pick right, but we haven’t gotten much right in the draft and we are a total bust at OL. When you look at the $ spent on Cooper for zero productivity, trading draft picks is way more productive and a much better value.

    Of course, it would require SK/BA to swallow some pride and admit they just aren’t capable of drafting any quality OL (or QB for that matter) and that will happen about the same time Humpheries has 16 quality starts in the NFL

  9. By shannon robinson on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Coach K : Ask and yea shall receive, Wetzel is from Boston College! Just watch them work as the Committee of Running Backs gets 120 yards on the ground Monday Nite!

  10. By JTDG on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    clssylssy;

    Absolutely agree with you about Thursday night football.

    If I was a ram or niner fan, I would feel pretty good about the future.

    Goff is growing into the number 1 overall pick under the very young head coach. They have plenty of weapons around him and added olineman to protect him (what a concept). They also have 50 million in cap space to fix what is needed in 2018, not to mention the ability to cut high salaries if needed.

    The niners knew going into the year, they would have to get a QB in 2018. So they knew they would take their lumps this year. They turned over their roster and will have 40+ million to spend on free agents in 2018. They played seattle and had a lead with 4 min left before seattle found a way to beat them 12-9. Then played the rams to a 41-39 loss with a missed PAT being the difference. This is not the niners under chip kelly.

    If the cards don’t figure this out soon, these teams will be flying right past them next year. Heck, maybe this year.

  11. By TucsonTim on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    TNF…did you hear M Irvin make the statement , “it will be interesting to see how this Rams team stacks up against Seattle”

    Cardinals are irrelevant w/o DJ

  12. By clssylssy on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG, Tucson & all…
    NEVER in a million years would I have thought I would ever root for the 9ers (bad hx with their fans when they use to come to KC and now within our division) but last night I thought they were going to pull it out. WOW, best football I’ve seen across the board this season from two of the lowest ranked teams–have a feeling that changed last night! I guess that is the difference between youthful enthusiasm and old guard thinking (and that includes Seattle), Todd Gurley & Tevon Austin + Sammy Watkins+Goff=Are You Kidding Me? (There HC is 31?)
    As for the 9ers, they were like Ironmen and Garcon!!! Two defenses that are going to crush our offense unless we have a miracle. Props to their Organizations for doing what needed to be done.
    Come on Mr. Bidwill, get a clue, PLEASE!

  13. By Infitzwetrust on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,

    Excellent work on that JJ Nelson article! Great read.

    As long as our offense can produce we will have a chance to win this game but man, we need to stop being so predictable on offense with the play calling! Heck, take some shot at Fitz down field and let him go up and get it. I know he may not be the fastest he’s been — he never really was a speedster anyways — but if Palmer is gonna force a throw here and there, might as well. We lost a lot of games we should have won last year and won a couple we were projected to lose. Take seattle late last year, for example, so i know we can respond accordingly.I hate the culture of cowboys fans an hope our trend continues as i Know we’ve beat them i wanna say a good 3 times in the last few seasons.

    My prediction on the score: 27-24 cards.

  14. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Clssylssy —

    Re: 49ers vs. Rams:

    OK, it was an exciting game. Both teams put up 400-plus yards of offense and the score was like a Saints game. As a fan, it was a fun game to watch.

    If it had instead been a 12-9 type of game (as many were expecting), would we be questioning the teams’ “grit” and “passion”? Or do we only think there was grit and passion because a lot of points were scored? Was there not a lot of grit and passion in last year’s 6-6 tie with Seattle?

    Don’t get me wrong — I, too, am concerned that Goff has turned a corner and could prove a problem for us, given that he also has Gurley to pound the rock. And I think the Niners have been playing well, too.

    I just don’t think it’s appropriate that you constantly extrapolate from the results of games that the players are (or are not) trying hard, or have/don’t have “passion” or “grit.” You can get your butt kicked 30-14 even when you’re busting your butt, if there are some bad breaks, turnovers at critical times, or questionable penalties. And you can sometimes win a game by a similar margin without maximum effort if those breaks go your way, forcing the other team into desperation mode (which often just leads to more turnovers).

  15. By JTDG on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Kevin S Mesa;

    I get what Clssy is saying. It isn’t the score for me. It isn’t the tough defensive battle or high scoring game.

    Slow starts, playing flat, 3 and outs, playing good in spurts then dropping off. Many have made the comment last year, there seemed to be a lack of energy in the 2016 preseason that carried into the year.
    You knew Something was off.

    Then you hear it was lack of leadership. So players were let go and replaced with vets to give leadership. We are one of the oldest teams in the league, we should have plenty of veteran leadership.

    Yet the same issues are here. Slow starts. Flat play, They seem to be sleep walking. They have a lead and give it up in the 4th quarter in both games.
    Something is missing. Watching the two games has been boring.

    Then you see the rams with youth and energy, They make you want to watch. The Niners, have a toughness about them, whether it was the 12-9 against the Hawks or the shoot out against the rams, there is something different about them you haven’t seen since Harbaugh left.

    I really can’t put my finger on it. We are a better team than both those teams. We should have energy, playing with purpose, but it isn’t there. Maybe they get it in front of the home crowd on Monday night. If they come out flat for a monday night game at home against Dallas, well, it will be time to make major changes.

  16. By JTDG on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H,

    Palmer/Stanton;

    You have to admit it, it would be funny, Could you see Stanton out there taking a beating for the first half. Play after play, he just gets his clock cleaned. Then, the cards have solved all there blocking issues (not sure how) and bring in Palmer to win the game in the second half.

    It reminds me of the Bad News Bears, where Olgavie is told to get hit by the pitch each time he goes up.

    Stanton “But coach it hurts”
    ,
    BA “I dont care Drew, get out there and take the hits till we figure out this thing”.

    faster, I just don’t think we are going to see that.

  17. By dkerry5242 on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    The Cardinals have to stop Elliott and shut him up and the Cowboy fans.
    Dak Prescott needs to be under constant pressure from the Cards defense as he was from the Broncos.

  18. By clssylssy on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Kevin…
    No, I love a low scoring defensive game that is a nail biter (Cards abd Seahawks last year) but the grit and passion I was referring to was the rebound by both teams, never caving or giving up but instead coming back and fighting for every inch with physicality and determination. But, as you sort of alluded to, perhaps it was because that seems to be so lacking in what we’ve seen.
    I don’t know if it’s the Cali vibe, the ocean air or whatever, we definitely need to get us some of that!
    I don’t apologize if you find that pointing out the obvious is “inappropriate”b/c, obviously I am not the only one and.it is what it is.
    Have a nice day.

  19. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    JDTG and Clssylssy —

    I respect your comments here. The fact is, we DO have an old team. That’s reality.

    It’s not a secret that we’re lacking in youth (and we can second-guess whether we SHOULD be in this position — but taking the QB position as an example, I don’t know too many people who didn’t want Palmer back this year). I just don’t know about the “energy” comment, or how you can assert that we are lacking in it. Look, we didn’t play great against Indy on offense, but the fact is, we played a lot better than the number of points we scored suggests. We were inside the 5 yard line and got a penalty that took us from 2nd and 4 to 2nd and 9, totally changing the drive, and then kicked a FG. Another time we were on the 1 and went for it with a horrible play call (or execution) that had little chance of success. And we threw another INT deep in Colts territory.

    We score, say, a couple touchdowns and a FG on those three possessions, instead of only netting 3 points out of all three possessions, and we win this game handily instead of barely escaping and no one is questioning our “energy.”

    Also, I’d submit that there is plenty of energy on defense, where we held Indy to 3.8 yards per play. I don’t care if the team is playing a backup QB — you’re doing well if an NFL team only scores 13 points and gets 3.8 yards per play against you.

    Detroit was simply one of those cases where you can’t overcome turning the ball over that many times. Especially on your end of the field. We had a pick 6 by the Lions, a fumble recovered on our 10 yard line, and two other INT’s in our territory. And a missed chip-shot FG on offense while their guy booted a 58-yarder. Now, we had a pick-6 of our own, so cancel out the two pick 6’s by either team and what do you have? You have the Cardinals handing the Lions the ball three other times on our side of the field, once on the 10 yard line. And you have our kicker missing a 32-yarder. How many NFL teams are going to overcome that? Is that a matter of a lack of energy, or just poor execution?

    I am not saying the Cardinals don’t have problems. Personally, I thought we were going to be in a world of hurt after 2017 due to the age of many of our key players — but now, that world of hurt is perhaps on us even earlier due to the rash of injuries on offense, including to our best player. I just think that as fans, we try to concoct story lines to fit a narrative. If we lose, the team “looked flat” or “lacked energy” or is missing “leadership.” I don’t think it’s any of those things in most cases. I think it comes down to, we’ve executed poorly in both games.

    And perhaps in some other games, we will execute well, but still get beat because, quite frankly, I think some teams are just better than we are. But I don’t think we lost to the Lions, or barely beat the Colts, because of issues with energy. I think we’ve just played bad football.

  20. By Michael Floyd on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Ok start Stanton, take a beating, out scored, 35-0, second half start Palmer, rusty, out of sync even more than last 2 games, out scored again, 70-0 for Cowboys. Brilliant!

    You need to hire me, only have JJ Nelson can break open, and he is hurt now.

  21. By Scott H on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Tucson Tim –

    Yeah, I get that. Unfortunately, the way they dropped off the map last season, a rather un-impressive off-season, and two very flat appearances so far this season have caused many to dismiss the Cardinals as a team that needs to be taken seriously.

    And as much as hearing others say that pisses me off…..I gotta say, inside, I am kinda feeling the same way.

    How can you not?? Through 2 weeks, this team has looked bad, pure and simple.

    The hope is that getting key players back from injury – and we are missing a few of those on both sides of the ball, let’s be fair – and much improved play from Carson Palmer can right the ship. Period. That is really all that is gonna change the face of how this season has started. If these two things don’t get us out of the rut….then what we’ve seen is apparently what we are – a bad football team.

    Like you say, I think others have already reached that conclusion. This game is going to say a lot about where we think we are going from here.

    As I’ve already said, if I see another first half of lazy, flat, un-inspired football from this team, I’m out. TV is off and I’m getting the sleep I need for the next day. Dammed if I’m gonna watch THEM sleep through the rest of the game.

    I HOPE I get something very different. I hope to see a team that makes me want to stay up until the last minute! I WANT to go to work on Tuesday morning tired but happy as hell with a win and how my team played. I want Tuesday morning like the ones we had during 2015!! THEY were some sweet days!! You can’t wait to get up the next day after your team plays like that.

  22. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Scott —

    To be fair, the injuries have been pretty devastating.

    Consider our upcoming opponent. People in Dallas were freaking out about the possibility of Elliott not playing for 6 games due to suspension. Well, we lost our Elliott (David Johnson), plus our #2 receiver, starting TE, and two members of an already-suspect OL.

    I don’t know what to expect on Monday, but I think the Cards will show up to play. That said, if the turnover bug continues to plague Palmer, we’re toast.

  23. By Scott H on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Kevin –

    RE: The injuries

    Well, I did acknowledge that we are missing key pieces on both sides of the ball.

    But even with the injuries…..don’t you think we still have enough talent that we should be better than we’ve been? I do. Shouldn’t the talent that was on the field against a dreadful Colts team last week have been able to win that game a lot more convincingly than they did?

    Even with the injuries….it still feels like there is something wrong, something missing.

    Hey, whatever it is, maybe we get it back this week.

  24. By JTDG on Sep 22, 2017 | Reply

    Kevin;

    Listen to what you wrote;

    “We were inside the 5 yard line and got a penalty that took us from 2nd and 4 to 2nd and 9, totally changing the drive, and then kicked a FG. Another time we were on the 1 and went for it with a horrible play call (or execution) that had little chance of success. And we threw another INT deep in Colts territory.
    We score, say, a couple touchdowns and a FG on those three possessions, instead of only netting 3 points out of all three possessions, and we win this game handily instead of barely escaping and no one is questioning our “energy.”

    Yes, if we scored, but we didn’t. We did all those mistakes. Stopped on downs, penalties, ints. That is the reality. That is who we are.

    Listen, I was a fan who use to argue that the cards had lots of talent and we can with in the 90’s, I explained to everyone that 1998 was not a flash and we were coming back even better, I believed we had a winner in town with Buddy, I believed in Denny Green and Matt Leinart. I thought we would find a QB after Warner. I get it man! I get it.

    But sometimes you have to take a step back and look at what is going on. We were inside the redzone, inside the 5 three times and came away with only 3 points against a really bad colts team. Palmer is getting killed and has a 54% comp %. The defense gave up leads in the 4th quarter in both games and the colts are 30th in offense with a QB who has been there for 6 practices. That is reality.

    If the cards sleep walk through a home game on monday night, it is time to call it a season.

  25. By Matt on Sep 24, 2017 | Reply

    The formula for the Cardinals beating the Cowtricks is easy. Put Tyron on Beasley all game. Put Patrick on Dez all game. Put Riddeck on Whitten all game. Defence line dont do anything special but clog the running lanes up front so bitch ass women beater has to go outside to run- then the line backers will clean that up. Zeke is gonna want to prove something so he will try to run harder and do more than is expected so he will be prone to fumble because of it. Carson DONT THROW AN INTRO. Its that simple. Ready team- BREAK!!!

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