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Keim: Low risk, possible reward of Blaine Gabbert

Posted by Darren Urban on November 27, 2017 – 8:23 am

Blaine Gabbert said after the game that he is just playing — there is no thinking about being on a one-year contract, or about the idea he is auditioning for a future role with the Cardinals. General Manager Steve Keim wasn’t saying he isn’t thinking about Gabbert in terms of the future, but even Keim — during his appearance on the “Doug and Wolf” show Monday on Arizona Sports 98.7 — wasn’t saying exactly what Gabbert might be. He’d only say that, well, Gabbert might be something.

“It’s no different than the reason we signed him in the springtime,” Keim said. “It was very little risk to possibly a high reward. A lot of people scoffed at the fact that we signed him and I don’t think they were very high on that decision, but at the end of the day, I liked him coming out (of college), coach (Bruce Arians) liked him a lot coming out. He’s always had the physical gifts. What was the real risk involved to sign a guy to be the third quarterback?

“The fact that he has stepped up, he’s looked poised and he got a lot of patience in this offense, he’s been a great fit so far and he’s worked his tail off off the field. This gives you the confidence as a general manager and as a coach to make these decisions and hopefully it pays off moving forward.”

I don’t think there’s much question that Gabbert will continue to start regardless of Drew Stanton’s health, but I am sure Arians will be asked later today.

— More Keim on Gabbert: The GM said he couldn’t stop watching the final pass the QB threw, a dart on the run to running back D.J. Foster. Gabbert eluded the rush, running toward the line of scrimmage before he launched. “The way (the ball) jumps out of his hand is phenomenal,” Keim said. He added that he didn’t know what was more impressive on the play, Gabbert’s throw of Foster’s toe-tapping catch.

— He praised Gabbert and the whole team for staying with it despite losing a 16-3 lead and falling behind 17-16 on the Calais Campbell fumble return. “It was a point in the game when you could have had a ‘woe is me’ attitude,” Keim said. The Cards did not.

— Keim was asked about Campbell. He said “I love Calais” but then the GM noted that the big reason Campbell was allowed to walk as a free agent was because that was the money the Cards allocated for the huge contract of OLB Chandler Jones — who, with two sacks and five tackles for loss, leads the NFL in both categories.

— On kicker Phil Dawson, who made all four of his field goals, including the game-winning 57-yarder: “Phil was money,” Keim said. “That’s the guy we signed.”

— Keim said he was happy for safety Tyrann Mathieu, who had arguably his best game. “Sometimes you forget is that the guy has been through quite a few traumatic injuries,” Keim said. “It’s one thing to come back from the physical aliments but to come back and play with the confidence mentally. That’s an obstacle we all have to go through when we incur those types of injuries. He’s coming back into form, he’s always been an instinctive player, and to see him come up with that interception … that can build on the confidence going forward.”

— Keim said it was one of the offensive line’s best games as a unit. He also liked the play of young players like Budda Baker, Foster and Chad Williams, and raved about tight end-who-can-split-wide Ricky Seals-Jones. “He’s a guy we really haven’t had in this offense for a long time,” Keim said — a tight end that can create mismatches.

— On Arians passing up going for it on fourth down and punting, a smart move, after the Cards failed on fourth down the week before, Keim said he had no doubt Arians would make the safe play. “He’s beaten himself up pretty good,” Keim added.


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65 Responses to “Keim: Low risk, possible reward of Blaine Gabbert”

  1. By Steve F drumm on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Darren: Has your opinion of Gabbert changed enough to where you can see him being a candidate to be this teams future QB for the next 3-5 years?

  2. By Darren Urban on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Gabbert

    I think we’re still in the early stages. And I think if the right QB is there early in the draft, you absolutely still take him.

  3. By D on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    I think B. Gabbert would be a nice bridge QB for a year or two if Palmer retires and AZ drafts a QB in round 1. (J. Allen and or M. Rudolph both would need some development and could be 1st round possibilities)

    AZ appears to have found another TE in Seals Jones.
    I would Resign right now A. Boone and J. Byrnes for next year. ( T. Williams
    Can still play CB, impressive at his age)
    It appears AZ have 2 LT tackles that can start in Humphries and Veldheer. I would look to trade Veldheer during the draft. Wetzel is a decent backup OT, but I would look to replace RG and RT in free agency and the draft this spring.

  4. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    I agree with Darren’s QB assessment, but as far as the USC and UCLA QBs, they both need one more year in college, IMO (and Kirk Herbstreet’s).

    Thank god for injuries, or Gabbert (and several other exciting newcomers) would still be on the bench or inactive.

  5. By mitchaz on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    AZ 27 JAX 24 Tidbits

    Offense:

    QB Blaine Gabbert:

    Plusses:

    * Picked apart the Jags’ zones
    * Employs the TEs in the passing scheme, more than Palmer or Stanton
    * Uses his feet to extend plays and drives—even BA is warming up to this
    * Throws with quick release and with relatively good accuracy
    * Bounced back from adversity—threw the 52 yard TD bomb to Jaron Brown under extreme pressure and with a flick of his wrist
    * Excellent 2 pt. conversion pass to Larry Fitzgerald—this was huge.
    * Was clutch down the stretch—threw two frozen ropes to the left sidelines on the money to win game

    Concerns:

    * Ball protection—can’t be stripped near his own goal line with the lead.
    * Throwing to prescribed spots (Palmer did this a lot too)—needs to learn to trust his eyes and his arm
    * Needs to get plays in and out of the huddle a little faster

    RB Adrian Peterson

    * Ran for nearly 4.0 ypc. and 79 yards
    * Is at his best when he lowers his shoulder on contact and gets forward push
    * Got stood up too many times—poor technique
    * Fumbled a handoff
    * Did not look natural as a pass catcher

    TE Ricky Seals-Jones:

    * Big target who knows what to do when he catches the ball—lowered the shoulder in traffic and eluded defenders in open space.
    * Game is not too fast for him, which is rare for a rookie

    Offensive Line:

    * Best game of the season for this unit
    * Won the majority of the battles versus outstanding Jags’ front
    * Veldheer is playing so well, his 2018 salary is actually starting to look doable.
    * Wetzel is a natural RT who is equally good in run, pass and screen blocking
    * Boone, Shipley and Watford were solid all game

    D.J. Foster:

    * How about that second and third effort to get the first down on the 3rd down shovel pass.
    * Outstanding game winning catch while getting belted on sideline.
    * Excellent kickoff return (called back for a penalty)

    Jermaine Gresham:

    * Hard to imagine he is worth $7.25M a year
    * Still a head case

    Defense:

    Budda Baker:

    * Has given the defense a burst of energy
    * Cleans up quickly on tackles—here’s what Honey Badger told ESPN’s Josh Weinfuss:
    Tyrann Mathieu almost had a second opportunity to face Leonard Fournette one-on-one Sunday. Fournette ran through a hole and Mathieu was the only defender waiting on him. But then rookie safety Budda Baker swooped in and hit Fournette. “So, kudos to Budda,” Mathieu said. “I might take him out to dinner after this.”
    * Leading big-time by example

    Chandler Jones:

    * Was on fire all game versus both the run and the pass
    * Closed on the ball in a flash
    * Got called for late hit on QB (one of 3 roughing the passer penalties the Cardinals incurred)
    * Where was this Chandler Jones last week? This inconsistency is what annoyed Patriots’ fans.
    * Was still celebrating sack when the Jags passed ahead to get into FG range to end first half.

    Olsen Pierre:

    * Fast emerging as the interior pass rusher the team has been lacking

    Karlos Dansby:

    * The mind is eager but the body isn’t reacting—was two steps slow all day

    Josh Bynes:

    * Was very effective in swarming the ball and in pass coverage (10 tackles—-huge lift off bench)
    * Over-ran his contain on Bortles—really needs to squeeze that down the way Sio Moore did last year

    Honey Badger:

    * Was a real factor in pressuring Bortles from the edge off blitzes—he still thrives in that role
    * This was his best game in coverage—not only making the big game saving interception, but in making a good pass breakup on the deep pass earlier in the quarter (which HB has struggled with this year)

    Frostee Rucker:

    * Very active and helped the Cardinals defensive line win the battle up front.

    Special Teams:

    Andy Lee:

    * Continues to punt at a Pro Bowl level—4 punts (once agin inside the 20)

    Kickoff Return Coverage:

    * Had the one poor breakdown late in the game—otherwise the Cardinals’ STs were near perfect on the day.

    Phil Dawson:

    * Made the huge tackle on the KO return, perfectly using the sideline as a defender.
    * Clutch kicks all day, the 2nd FG snap was bad (Drescher remains inconsistent) but Dawson stayed calm and nailed it. 57 yard GW FG was a gem. Perfect compact technique. Had presence of mind to make sure the team did;t run onto the field—his experience has helped STs in a big way.

    Bruse Arians:

    * Deferred the kickoff for the 2nd time—worked great.
    * First half coaching was a gem in just about every way.
    * Came out and scored a FG on first possession of second half—this was big.
    * Needs to embrace his QB’s mobility and use it more to the team’s advantage, with bootlegs, read options and waggles.
    * Kept calling WR screen when the Jags were all over them all game.
    * Helped Gabbert stay calm after the fumble—great bounce back TD from Gabbert.
    * Had the offense and STs totally prepared for the last second FG drive.

    James Bettcher:

    * One of his better games as DC.
    * Shut down Fournette
    * But, he has to know that when he commits his ends to crashing down to stop the run, teams are going to run the read option—he had Bynes on a contain switch later on, but Bynes didn’t play it correctly, and Dansby didn’t scrape and fill and Bethea was way too late storing the alley. Can’t keep giving up chuck QB runs.
    * Best thing though was Bettcher had some new blitz schemes that worked this week, like the double safety blitz (Baker and Bethea) in tandem off the left edge.
    * Biggest concern—defense once again this week gave up a TD on its first drive of the 2nd half—has been an issue all year—plus, just like last week, when the Cardinals got a second half lead. the defense gives it right back….and it didn’t help that the STs gave up the long return to set up the tying TD.

    Amos Jones:

    * One bad play this week, otherwise this is perhaps his best game as STs coordinator.

    Big win for the Cardinals. Will they build on this?

  6. By Jon on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    So apparently we have all these good players on our team and we just…..haven’t been playing them.

    Seals-Jones, Gabbert, the Foster pickup (who I think we could have had sooner), Bynes,Williams at CB, Buddha Baker.

    Seems no riskit no biskit doesn’t apply to putting your actual best players on the field. Its a young league, and our young players get the shaft on this team (T Williams is an exception, no idea what happened there but he was clearly the best choice over Bethel and whoever else we were throwing out there and that should have been obvious with a good coaching staff)

    I realized something last night: Even with all the injuries, our team isn’t even that bad. In fact, we have a lot of talent out there. It just isn’t being harnessed.

    Its time for new blood on the coaching staff

  7. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Gabbert is certainly one of the best #3 QB’s in the league, but let’s not get carried away with the “QB of the future” stuff. He’s looked OK, but has also turned the ball over 4 times in 2 games, in one case leading to a defensive TD, and his rating would put him in the bottom half of QB’s if he qualified. Don’t get me wrong — he’s exceeded my expectations. But you’ve got other guys like DeShaun Watson hitting the ground running as a rookie and posting a rating over 100, or Wentz and Goff in their second seasons tearing things up. Those guys are franchise QB’s. A guy in his 7th season having a couple decent-but-not-stellar games? Doesn’t mean much.

  8. By Coach K on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    I have been saying it for weeks. Gabbert’s past woes were multiple coordinators and systems early in his career. He never had a stable track to run on. Now, he is playing like the first round pick he was supposed to be. He has finally grown into the position.

    D, you see him as a bridge QB, but why not a starter for 6 or 7 years? We can still draft a young QB to develop.

    The question I have is what if Palmer comes back for the final year of his contract? Does BA open up a competition next year? Does BA stick with the younger Gabbert over a seasoned pro like Palmer?

    I guess its a good problem to have.

  9. By Big Ken on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Great win and I’m all in on drafting a QB early, making him hold a clip board for a couple of years. Nice knowing you Mr. Stanton.

  10. By Jon on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    Quick qiestion: Do you happen to know how money the team saves by releasing Palmer from his final year on contract? Its beginning to feel like it could become a question of whether bringing him back is going to be worth the cap hit the team takes. This team has some holes to fill….

  11. By Darren Urban on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Jon —

    RE: Palmer contract

    There would be $6.6M of dead money if Palmer is released.

  12. By patrick on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    The problem with these Steve Keim one year prove it deals is that after they prove it, you have to compete with 31 other teams to resign them.
    There is no guarantee he is in a cardinal uniform next year. The better he plays the more he will cost and the chances of him resigning goes down.

  13. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    This game reminds of why we’ve had the tix since 1989: Cardinals usually competitive at home, even when an underperforming team. This was an amazing game, right down to the 2 yard pass to #11 for 2.

    Run the table, get to 10-6? Highly unlikely, but possible. Each remaining game “winnable” But does 10-6 get you in? Doesn’t look like, rnrn.

    “safety Tyrann Mathieu, who had arguably his best game” Bitter so sweet Badger: INT key, but missed tackle on huge kickoff return (too slow a foot), missed tackle on Bortles long TD run up middle. Big liability for size (easily blocked) and speed, (too slow for most WR). That conundrum solved, by Buddha, who has neither liability. Can you hide the Badger to get his instinctive plays, but not get hurt by his misses? Dunno, but doubt it… maybe he gets that lost step back next year…

    See you guys Sunday, one more game…

    PS:Loved seeing CC knee down in our end zone pregame (to pray not protest). Always admired this guy. True 4-3 DE.

  14. By JTDG on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Jon,

    Palmer,

    Palmer’s cap hit in 2018 is 20.625 million. If released, he would count 6.625 of dead money.

    So the answer to your question is, he would save 14 million of cap space if released.

  15. By JTDG on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    As for everyone who would like Gresham to go away,

    Gresham has a a cap hit of 7.25 million but if released , would have a cap hit of 9.25 million.

    So, if you want to release him, it would cost the cards 9.25 in dead money or an additional 2 million more than what he will cost being on the team.

    So, thank Steve Keim for that.

  16. By Halagator on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Kevin S Mesa –

    I agree with your statement that Gabbert has exceeded expectations to this point, but at he is still not as good as Palmer. If Palmer returns next year he is still our #1 guy, sign Gabbert as your #2 and draft a QB for the future. Palmer wasn’t the reason we lost games. We all know there was a whole bunch of other reasons for why we have lost games this year.

    We still have talent on this team, just need to put more games like this together to finish the season out. Lets start with the Rams next week. It’s a winnable game.

  17. By georgiebird on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Gabbert seems to have all the tools necessary to be a pretty good QB. Yesterday, I watched Josh McCown the old Cards’ QB. At 38 years old, McCown still possesses all the tools to be a successful QB. HOWEVER, McCown manages to do 2 or 3 stupid things each game that prevents his team from winning.
    I am hoping against hope that Gabbert is not a Josh McCown in the making. It would be a shame to waste all that talent.

  18. By georgiebird on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Yesterday, we saw how much Dansby has aged. KD has been a good player who had been able to keep his talent level pretty consistent for a Never Pro-Bowler over many NFL seasons.
    In the same way, I can’t believe the accolades that the HB is receiving for yesterday’s game. This once great player is a shell of his old self. Sure he has the ability to make a few excellent plays as he roams the field looking for big plays to be made. But yesterday, the old HB would have done so much more. There were times I felt sorry for him during the game.
    But he did come out of it smelling like a rose- and for a lot of people that’s all that counts.

  19. By georgiebird on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Yesterday there was a lot made of Gresham fighting after the game. Having not seen the fight, we can all agree that fighting is wrong.
    But as I look around the league at good teams who have enforcers and other guys willing to assert their aggression on the field, I don’t see that type of player with the Cards. Specifically, we don’t have guys like Anquan Boldin or Dockett on this team. Most of our players seem more apt to be pushed around than doing the pushing.
    I see this as a big disadvantage when we play teams like the Seahawks and Rams. This is not to advocate for guys playing out of control- but it would be nice to have a few enforcers on our side for a change.

  20. By JTDG on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    As for Badger,

    I agree it was his best game of the year and I would take out the “arguably”.

    But I also would agree with the multiple posters saying he is a step slow.

    Watching live, they are correct in their assessment. He is clearly slower than years past and seems to be a step away from making more plays.

    I have to wonder if it is the weight the Badger added in the offseason? There is no doubt he looks thicker. But maybe he doesn’t carry it well.

    Just spectulation, I am not an expert in the field, but maybe HB should drop those 10 pounds he added and he will gain that step back. Plus, with knee injuries, one would guess you should be lighter, not heavier.

    Darren, I believe you are a basketball guy aren’t you? If a guy hurt his knee, would they have him get stronger and add weight or lose weight to get back to form?

  21. By Darren Urban on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Basketball

    I play basketball. But I most certainly am not a doctor or rehab guy. That’s a question I cannot answer. As a layperson, I’d say if your knee is physically healthy again, which I can only assume is where Mathieu is, 10 pounds should’ve make a difference in terms of the injury. I would think naturally you are faster if you are lighter.

  22. By michael on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Halagator-

    The question isn’t who is the better QB of Palmer vs Gabbert, but rather, who this offense is built to support. Clearly, the O-line is not built to support Palmer. It’s just not good enough. Arians offense is built around having time for pass plays to develop downfield. They weren’t giving Palmer enough time and he was getting pancaked, even on throws he was able to get off. Gabbert – or any QB who can scramble out of the pocket, which Palmer can’t – at least gives a back up plan if the time isn’t there, whether through a scramble for yardage or buying some time for WRs to reset and get open. Wish it werent the case, but our Oline just isn’t good enough to bring Palmer back (especially when Arians is too stubborn to use TE’s to help OTs)

  23. By patrick on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    They say Gresham adds intensity and energy that adds a spark to the offense. That would be great if he backed it up by solid play on the field. The only thing Gresham backs up is the offense’s line of scrimmage. 5 yards when he commits illegal procedure, 10 yards when he holds and 15 yards when he commits stupid personal foul penalties. At least he waited until after the game to pull his act.

  24. By patrick on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    …and I love Fitzgerald like everyone else but the wide receiver screen to him scripted in the first 15 plays to get the consecutive reception streak alive has got to go. +1 reception -8 yards.

  25. By Big Ken on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    QB early? How about that Riley Ferguson of Memphis. Is he this year’s Carson Wentz? He’s climbing up the draft boards. I like his numbers.

  26. By joe holst on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    everyone needs to stop playing GM and releasing everyone- this team is well managed, coached is of the top organizations in the NFL as far as infrastructure, If you want to be a scout or GM then go get hired by a team.

  27. By Scott H on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    I’m not really listening to all of this GM-speak from Keim. I think we all know Gabbert was signed and retained with an eye toward 2018. Period. Palmer was starting, Stanton was backing him up. Ideally, Gabbert wasn’t even going to play in 2017. But he was NOT signed so he could sit on our in-active list all year. There was no point to that at all.

    Let me say this clearly so nobody misunderstands – there is NO blessing in players being injured. None. But we may all come to realize that the injuries to Palmer and Stanton WERE a blessing ONLY in that it gave us a chance to see Gabbert NOW, when we have a chance to benefit from it, one way or the other. Even if we found out that he stinks, it would have been a benefit to know that.

    But what we are finding out instead may ultimately be of HUGE benefit in terms of our future. We are seeing that this guy CAN play. He is definitely in the mix for 2018, period. So, listening to Keim say he doesn’t know what Gabbert might be….please.

    He MIGHT be something? Really, Steve? Ya think?

    And I guess we can put the VERY short lived you-don’t-skip-the-number-two-guy-to-get-to-the-number-three-guy stuff to rest. Frankly, it was a ridiculous statement at the time it was made – BECAUSE WHEN PALMER WENT DOWN, OUR SITUATION HAD CHANGED. And I really think most people knew that.

    I have loved Drew Stanton, but….if it was going to take his being injured to give Gabbert a chance to play, again, I think we have to consider it a blessing that it played out as it did. We needed fate to intervene because our HC couldn’t think outside of a very small box within which all you do is paint by the numbers.

    There is NO WAY you go back to Stanton again this year, even if he is healthy. At least, I HOPE we see that now.

  28. By patrick on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H,
    If they signed and retained Gabbert for 2018, then why did they not sign him for 2018?

  29. By patrick on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Joe Hoist if we can’t talk about the coaching and general manager, then isn’t evaluating how good the coaching and general manager is an ownership function. If you are going to do that then take your own advise and go buy a team!

  30. By Dr. G. on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Patrick – – Keim says everybody scoffed at signing Gabbert!!!!! This is telltale of how out of touch he may be of fan opinion…

    Darren has been harassed to the max on how often we called for Gabbert…going back to camp when he should be #2 behind Palmer… (((SKeim is blowing serious smoke or he was caught off guard in his interview…total bs)))

  31. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Dr. G —

    RE: Gabbert and “scoffed”

    Go back and look. He is not wrong.

  32. By Dr. G. on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    The sample in this blog may be a little more informed//analytical that most fans, but no where have I hear this nonsense by Keim.

    To your other point – – IF GABBERT GETS NEAR THE END OF THE SEASON W/O A DEAL, HE WILL GO SHOPPING TO TEST THE MARKET.

    All the dialog is about the s****y ((BA)) teams he’s been on and all the random coaching he had to endure…

    Darren’s tweet::((And if Arians can see a scenario where Gabbert is the 2018 starter too)).…((Brilliànt synopsis)) Yeah, he will START somewhere. ((I’m betting Palmer will retire rich and avoiding more body thrashing))

  33. By Dr. G. on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    ScottH – – injuries? Yeah, remember when Wally Pipp ask the coach for a couple aspirin…and the coach said to just take the day off…I’ll give this rookie Lou ?”something” a little time. Worst story of all time in sports! Late night drinking was popular in those days.

  34. By Richard S on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    A few years ago I suggested not drafting Gabbert before the NFL draft. I”d seen most of his games in college on TV as I’m originally from Missouri and rooted for the Tigers as my college team. Right now, he’s at the stage in life where he looks like with age and maturity he’s the man. Now he looks like a keeper. I’m still not sure as a rookie if he’d have led the Cardinals to success or to moving from team to team as he has, but right now he’s a keeper.

  35. By Scott H on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    patrick –

    To me, your question is irrelevant because your question is about what they did / didn’t do THEN.

    Why didn’t they sign him for 2018? I don’t know. Ask them.

    Looking forward, which is all that matters now, do you think he IS going to be signed for 2018? I do. So….and when they do, what is it going to matter why they didn’t do it before?

    I DO agree with Keim when he says Gabbert was low-risk, potential high reward. No argument. Maybe they didn’t sign him for 2018 because, at the time, they didn’t have to. But I’m pretty sure they’re gonna sign him now.

    Again, I ask this question – do YOU think Gabbert was going to just hang out here for 2017, wearing a baseball cap, not even being active most of the season if he didn’t think he was going to have a shot at a starting job in 2018?? I say no way. Because if he’d wanted to, he probably could have been starting somewhere else this year. Seriously. Or, at least, he could have been a back-up somewhere else and been closer to playing than he appeared to be here back in Sept.

    I can’t say for sure and neither can you or anyone else, but maybe, just maybe, Gabbert saw a better opportunity here for himself in 2018 than he would have had in Cleveland or Chicago this year. Trust me, I saw how God awfully inept the Bears are yesterday out here in Philly. Good lord.

  36. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Gabbert

    Again, he didn’t sign anywhere until May. This idea that he had all these options (and a chance to start) for 2017 is incorrect. No one is signing the guy they think will be their starter at QB in May.

  37. By Scott H on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    And I DO agree with Darren – that if a QB this organization REALLY likes is there for them in the draft this year, they HAVE to take him. Period.

    Some have said and I agree – the way to go in 2018 is to go into the season with Gabbert as your starter but with also with a legit future-starter candidate from this year’s draft. I’m tempted to say that if Stanton wants to stick around as the back-up and is totally affordable, then that’s fine. I think he is a great guy to have around, and I think the QB room would benefit from a veteran presence. I just don’t know if that is gonna happen.

    That said, if there is NOT a QB that they REALLY feel good about coming out in the draft this year, then don’t force it. Go O-line or D-line, get some other building blocks in place.

    And try to pick someone who will actually PLAY in their rookie season this time.

  38. By Dr. G. on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Yes, Darren, we need to draft a QB regardless, but do we try to move up to get someone who has some serious up side, or do we wait untill later and take a flyer that may not make it? ((as usual)) Depends on PALMER, huh? Drew probably gone?

  39. By JTDG on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Watching Monday night football and heard Jon Gruden talking about how special teams are ranked.

    He talked about Rick Gosselin’s rankings and how he looks at 22 different areas and ranks them.

    In 2016, the Eagles ranked as the top Special Teams. Where did Arizona Rank? 31st , only ahead of the Chargers.

    In 2015, Arizona ranked a little better coming in at 29th.

    In 2014, Arizona Ranked a very respectable 11th

    In 2013, Arizona ranked 12th

    Got to wonder what happened?

    Here is the link for 2016;
    https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/02/15/rick-gosselins-2016-nfl-special-teams-rankings-see-high-cowboys-jumped-nfc-east-teams-1-league

  40. By Fmr USAF Pilot on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    I tuned in to the MNF program tonight to see how many players took a knee during the National Anthem.
    And I saw…..that MNF didn’t show the playing of the Anthem. The program went to the kickoff. I assume that the Anthem was played. But, apparently the NFL has decided that they don’t want the controversy of fans seeing, on TV, that the players kneel.
    It’s no wonder that there are empty seats and fans are burning jerseys and protesting.

  41. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    USAF —

    RE: Kneel

    Until this all started happening, the networks rarely showed the anthem.

  42. By Dr. G. on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    On QBs for 2018, is it about $26mil for Palmer? That’s a huge calling card, but he WILL retire before he may be asked by MBidwill to go count his life’s gold.

    Here’s more: 2 ACLs, 1 broken arm, a concussion protocol, a seriously weird neurological right shoulder setback dilemma…and other fairly recent things not recalled right now. If he wasn’t so tough, he would have been gone.

    Why all the ???? marks and doubts? it’s pure strategic positioning.

    Bottom line: Simple ~ Sign Gabbert to a decent deal SOON, and DRAFT a good QB prospect by moving up, NOT DOWN. Done! You’re welcome.

    Talk to Gabbert before his agent screws things up, please!

  43. By Jon on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H,

    Agreed on the ridiculousness of the “you don’t skip #2…” thing.

    I get that fan bases aren’t coaches, they don’t have the experience or expertise. And they are too emotional and trigger happy when it comes to making tough decisions.

    Yet, the fanbase was inarguably spot on when it came to the Stanton vs. Gabbert debate. I think that’s a problem, and it doesn’t speak highly to the job this coaching staff has done this season

    This team has too much talent, talent that has been inexplicably riding the pine.

  44. By Ken Moroney on Nov 27, 2017 | Reply

    Finally, BA sees the merit to not starting Stanton even when healthy. Sadly, an injury had to occur so we could see that; just as in David Johnson awhile back. The new TE looked great, and Jaron Brown is my #1 favorite Cardinal and needs more attention. Like the new running back Foster. I don’t know what got into BA, at least for a little while early on..but his play calling wasn’t predictable. We still need to draft a qback, and maybe pick up an existing 2nd or 3rd string QB in the league already. We have the QB we can compete with for 2018; maybe not win, but compete. Trust me, all the fans know Stanton isn’t a winner and so does the locker room. Be honest, didn’t you notice how fired up and full of energy our players were for a full game..even when it looked bleak? Special teams coaching is still sad, and we still let receivers catch long and 3rd…but it was a better feeling.

  45. By Scott H on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Good lord…..just look at the names that loomed large in that win on Sunday ( which, BTW, was the first win we’ve had against a winning team since….when??? )…..Gabbert…..Seals-Jones…..Foster……NONE of these names were on anyone’s lips back in Sept. Now look where we are! And that is not a bad thing. I started saying it back in October, that the re-building needed to start NOW. And for different reasons, it has.

    Again, not a bad thing. In fact, a GOOD thing.

    Man, WHO is this Seals-Jones guy??? Where has HE been all this time? Ya wonder sometimes if it takes a change at QB to help other players emerge. Gabbert starts two games, and Seals-Jones already has more TD catches than anyone on the team except Fitz.

    All I can say is, I like it!

    It was also nice to see some of our receivers getting open, making catches in space, getting those yards after the catch. The long TD to Jaron was beautiful. Looked like he actually had to slow down a bit to make the catch but it still got the job done. And the TD to Seals Jones….making the catch in stride and sailing into the endzone. They were the kind of plays it seemed like our offense couldn’t even make earlier in the season.

  46. By NJAzCardsFan on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H.,
    You bring up an interesting point…. If it wasn’t for these injuries would all of the younger players including Gabbert would still be sitting. It becomes scary when SK/BA can’t judge the talent on the team. BA had Stanton as his definitive #2 QB…. Now Gabbert is being talked about by BA starting for the rest of the year…??? Why was Seals -Jones sitting for this long….??? All of the sudden, the offense is running on all eight cylinders again….
    Funny how the folks on this board turned out to be right about Gabbert…..

  47. By dkerry5242 on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Still haven’t seen Gabbert run the read option. I thought he did this pretty well at San Fran. On those short yardage situations such as third an two why not have a two back set and let Gabbert fake an inside handoff and flip to the other back to run outside? Last night the Ravens worked that play to perfection and almost went for a touchdown. The defense is sucked in to stop the inside run and usually lacks outside containment.

  48. By Fmr USAF Pilot on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    So, the networks were trying to foment controversy/dissension by playing the National Anthem after the players started kneeling???

  49. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    USAF —

    RE: Anthems

    It’s news. I understand it creates strong feelings, but it’s news. Period.

  50. By Halagator on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H –

    Not sure what there Is to wonder about when it comes to these players getting a chance to shine now. They were not playing because of a host of potential reasons:

    1) They were all signed as back ups, plucked from practice rosters or rookies
    2) They were not established players (ie. AP)
    3) They had to learn the playbook
    4) Our starters were healthy at the time

    Now that there are a bunch of injuries and all the players are fluent in the playbook they get a chance to step up and showcase their talent. I think the coaching staff’s evaluations have been good. Sometimes certain players just aren’t ready to play yet.

  51. By Dr. G. on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    This Gabbert conversation is beginning to get a bit overkill, but this is super important~ the QB is the ignition key for the Offense.

    Here’s the issue – – The War Room guys gather… In a perfect world, if they were clairvoyant for the draft, AND, they knew everything they know right now** about Gabbert, would they take him with their #1 pick??

    This pick can avoid all the mystery…seems a sure thing. ((Sign him now)) You can get the heir apparent in the draft.

    **Intelligent, mature, great arm, no significant unhealed injuries, decent scrambler to save plays, humble at the mic, a natural leader, and ambitious work ethic. A respected team guy.

  52. By Scott H on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Darren, I respectfully disagree. Maybe my thinking is just too simple sometimes. I’m not saying he had “all these options”….in fact, I named two teams that I saw as possibilities. OK, so we signed him in May. When did the Dolphins lose Tannehill and coax Jay Cutler ( who has been lousy ) out of retirement? You don’t think Gabbert would have been a better option than THAT for the Dolphins? I’d say the fact that the Cardinals DID sign him in May rendered him un-available to other teams where maybe he COULD have been a starter.

    Granted, I say this with 20/20 hindsight, but how many QB’s that are starting right now are NOT as good as Gabbert has been thus far? Yes, this is basically a rhetorical question at this point.

    But my question about what GABBERT’S perspective may have been has remained un-answered. Wasn’t that a factor in all of this, too? I say there is no way he signs here in May, probably being aware he is going to end up as 3rd string, unless he has some indication that there is going to a very real opportunity for him in 2018. It would have made no sense for him to sign here for 2017, where the likelihood that he would play at all was virtually non-existent if Palmer stayed healthy, just to move on in the off-season to who knows where.

  53. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Gabbert

    Careful now. You’re making the same argument that those who want to know why Kaepernick isn’t signed. (And yes, I believe Kap would have been a better option for many teams).

    Cutler was signed because he knew the coach. I would be guessing the Dolphins would’ve stuck with Matt Moore and signed a backup if Cutler wasn’t there. Could it have been Gabbert? Possibly. But if the idea was he’d be OK as third-string because he was signing for 2018, why only sign for 2017? That makes no sense to me.

  54. By Scott H on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Jon –

    I hear you. And very well said. It just made no sense for BA to come out and declare Stanton the starter for the rest of the season immediately after Palmer went down. Yes, that would make sense if we were in contention. We weren’t ( regardless of a record that created the illusion that we were “in the hunt.” Spare me ). Yes, that would make sense if our other option was a rookie that was nowhere near ready to play. We didn’t have that, either.

    Couldn’t we have at least taken a minute or two to consider where the season was realistically heading and what other options we had that may have been more….practical?

    Yes, it disturbs me a little, too, that the only reason we may be getting this look at Blaine Gabbert at all is because Stanton got hurt.

    And yet, today, we see the headline that BA could see Gabbert being our starter in 2018. Really? Gee, that didn’t take long, did it?

  55. By Fmr USAF Pilot on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Re: drafting a QBoTF

    I think that Keim will package several draft picks to move way up to take, what BA and he think will be the QBoTF.

    I also think that he has seen, in the last game, enough of little used players, that he won’t think that there are as many holes to fill in FA and the draft.

  56. By Joe C. on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    I think if I was a 7 year QB with 7 offensive coordinators coming off another bad season I would like to sign for a team where I’m not needed urgently with a great QB coach and settle for a year and then be a free agent. hell if he practiced well he had a great shot of being the 2018 back up and if carson retired he had a shot at starting 2018. And since he was a lousy QB he got paid what he was going to get anyway and his value was only going up. Look at us wishing we had locked him up. Sounds like he made a wise move. As far as from the cards perspective, if he didn’t impress they were done with him and if he did they’ll pay him.

  57. By Dr. G. on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Darren- What’s up with Bronson Hill…active, PS. …good size RB they just signed?

  58. By Darren Urban on Nov 29, 2017 | Reply

    Dr. G —

    RE: Hill

    I’d expect him to be officially promoted today.

  59. By Dr. G. on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Darren ~ Bronson on PS I think….not such a good profile and much travelled ~~8 teams since 2015. Wow, I hope he had reasons! What do our scouts see?

  60. By patrick on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    I am sure naming Gabbert a potential starting qb for 2018 won’t help with contract negotiations. It would be nice if he could be slotted around Stanton’s salary. A solid qb2 salary.

  61. By Taylor A on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H-

    I just also wanna point out too that we’ve seen this thinking with BA several times already. We’ll draft someone or trade for someone, and they’ll sit for awhile, at least at QB. I don’t think this is anything specific to this situation, I think it’s just BA’s coaching style. Bring in someone, and learn it before you play. He’s conservative with personal.

    Not saying that makes the situation right, I just don’t necessarily think it’s an “out of touch” thing, and more his style of coahcing.

  62. By Ric Italia on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Not looking forward to the Rams game. The Rams are Cardinal qb killers.

  63. By Scott H on Nov 28, 2017 | Reply

    Darren –

    RE: Gabbert / Kaepernick arguement

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Look, ANY similarity to any argument I’m making for Gabbert and arguments made by others for Cap are purely coincidental. They have to be. Because I see no connection here.

    I hear ya about Cutler knowing the coach. But I will still tell you I thought that was a TRAGIC mistake for the Dolphins. And I’m saying that with NO benefit of 20 / 20 hindsight. I have NEVER been impressed with Cutler. I was saying then he was going to lead the Dolphins nowhere.

    Again, why only sign Gabbert for 2017? Again, I don’t know! Hey, you’re more on the inside here than I am, buddy! 🙂

    Look, different things make sense ( or they don’t ) to different people.

  64. By Big Ken on Nov 29, 2017 | Reply

    What happened to Deone Bucannon?

  65. By JTDG on Nov 29, 2017 | Reply

    Scott,

    Gabbert signing:

    Now you know I am not a Keim fan and I don’t make it a habit to defend Keim’s decisions. But,

    First, why would Gabbert sign a longer contract than one year? He believes he can start, so he took a 1 year contract. Now , he is in a good position to get a larger paycheck from some team than if he signed for 2 or more years.

    Second, I would think BA/SK have 20 million of cap space with Palmer next year and really weren’t planning on his injury. If Palmer played in 2018 with a rookie in waiting, there was no need for Gabbert.

    I could care less of any of the spin Keim says, truth is, they took a flyer on a third string, low paid QB just in case Palmer retires and they needed a bridge QB. No one really saw Palmer getting injured and Gabbert playing well.

    Gabbert signed a one year deal betting on himself and he might have just rolled 7’s

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