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Safety and life after Tyrann Mathieu

Posted by Darren Urban on March 14, 2018 – 12:55 pm

From the day he signed his new contract, Tyrann Mathieu and everyone else knew revisiting the deal might be a possibility. No one thought it was probable, because the last time we had seen the Honey Badger on the field he was playing like an NFL defensive Player of the Year and certainly — despite an other ACL tear — he’d be back to that same player by March of 2018. While Mathieu was solid in 2017 (and played the most snaps in the NFL) even he acknowledged he wanted to play better. And the team wanted to adjust his contract with that revisiting deadline had finally arrived. The two sides couldn’t come to an agreement, and Mathieu is no longer a Cardinal.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out on the field. It’s not like the Cardinals didn’t want him — they tried to re-do the deal — so they had plans for him. There is this notion out there that his role would be diminished, and while we don’t know exactly what the defense of new coach Steve Wilks will look like, it’s hard to imagine Mathieu marginalized if he had stayed. He didn’t, however, so now Budda Baker is the focal point at safety, along with veteran Antoine Bethea. Tyvon Branch is a free agent and coming off a major injury, so the secondary — which also as of now needs a cornerback across from Patrick Peterson — needs some help.

As for the Honey Badger, it will be interesting to see what his market is, after Kent Somers reported that the pay cut Mathieu was asked to take was said to be “reasonable.” (Everyone has a different perspective on reasonable, of course.) What teams might reach out to him? Could he land in New York, where both of his former defensive coordinators (Todd Bowles as Jets head coach, James Bettcher as Giants DC) are working? Where does he fit?

On a personal level, Mathieu’s story was fantastic to cover and he was always excellent to deal with — even when you would delve into subjects not everyone would want to talk about. He was open about his past. He was interesting talking about the height of his play. He was introspective when speaking about his hometown of New Orleans, and how it’s been a difficult place for him to be. He’s a player you want to see succeed.

 


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91 Responses to “Safety and life after Tyrann Mathieu”

  1. By Eric G on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Good luck HB. You were a great story and one hell of a player when healthy. Too bad injuries slowed you down, you had the potential to be an all time great.

  2. By Whyyy on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Why Mr Keim? I have supported this team and you for a long time now. Why is this off-season the most demoralizing one I can remember? Live in Harrisburg PA and you have many local fans, but right now – I wouldn’t pull over, or let them pull over, if you were stuck on the side of the road. Was a trade even considered? Mr Bidwill, demand better for your/our organization.

  3. By Coach K on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Steelers apparently are considering HB,

    Wish him the best.

  4. By Matt on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Keim what are you doing. I would’ve traded him to the browns for a 3rd round pick.

  5. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Matt —

    RE: Trade

    I do not believe any team would have taken Mathieu’s contract. Also, the Cardinals would have been on the hook for a $5M roster bonus in order to complete any trade.

  6. By georgiebird on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    FINALLY- a good move by the Cardinals. Getting rid of HB was a no-brainer

  7. By patrick on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Find bridge qb1 ✅
    Release Adrian Peterson ✅
    Resolve HB contract ✅
    Sign inside LB ✅ (Bynes)
    Still plenty more on the to do list.

  8. By JTDG on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Darren,

    Interesting you mention the NY teams.

    I thought Jets, but Bowles went 1st round / second round safeties in 2017 draft.
    The Giants have the one of the best SS in Landon Collins but do need a FS.

    Could be the Giants or could you see him head back to his home town of NO?

  9. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: New Orleans

    They just ponied up for some DBs. Also, Tyrann has an interesting relationship with his hometown.

    http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-3/Big-Easy-Remains-Complicated-For-Tyrann-Mathieu/de97f7b9-1c06-4b80-9f0a-c3fb53062846

  10. By Lee J. Panek III on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    He listened to his agent and not his heart. Tyrann is now heart shocked and faced with the consequences of bowing to false pride. With the money he’s already earned he should be financially set for life, so now he is dwelling in the land of choosing what he values most, money or a sense of family in his professional life.

    If I think I know Tyann, he will need to either go somewhere where he is treasured from the heart (not New England) like the Jets and Todd Bowles, or back to the Cardinals with a contract based on performance.

  11. By JTDG on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    For those who love the Badger,

    Just think , it was to clear money so the can sign Glennon.

  12. By Corgon on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    SK approached the FA againg aggressively. Unfortunately the moves were against our roster. Nice moves by the way. The last two. Thanks bro, really. But look at the bright side! You are the first GM, who can be the first who cut/let go two DPoY in a row. (I root for TM to get the title next year, more than ever). And you have a nice glass statue. To sad, it’s dangerous to take him/it anywhere near to a football field, but who cares. At least we can say SK tried it. He tried it really hard. He tried to keep CC93 (with a contract what was a joke from the beggining).He tried to keep TJefferson as well….but that nasty guy didn’t wanted to accept that contract. Way below his market price…As he now tried everything to keep TM and get Cousins. I can immagine. Hello Kirk, we can offer you a broken pen and a bag of candy (expensive candy by the way). No? That’s sad….very sad…a moment please, line 2…Hello Ty, about that contract. We are counting on you. What? The restructure? Weeeeeell yes, how about nothing for next year? No? That’s sad…very sad. Don’t tell I didn’t tried…sorry I have to hang it up, Fitz on line 3….I wonder what is it he want to talk about……
    I think this is the point where I lost my faith in SK.

  13. By patrick on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Find bridge qb1 ✅ (Bradford)
    Release Adrian Peterson ✅
    Resolve HB contract ✅
    Sign inside LB ✅ (Bynes)
    Improve O-line ✅ (Andre Smith)
    Still plenty more on the to do list.

  14. By StevenZ on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    I predicted this move months ago, and it will work out because:
    1) Wilks has said it all starts up front ,so I expect a commitment to upgrading the OL, and thus protecting our investment in Bradford.
    2) The offensive philosophy will involve a “Run First” mentality, augmented by a short-drop/high percentage passing game where Brandford can get the ball out of his hands quickly, lessening the chance of getting hit
    3) Bradford has one of the most accurate arms in in the NFL, and the short passing game will play to his strengths
    4) Look for a fast tempo offense to prevent DL substitutions
    5) Watch for re-emergence of the FB/HB as added protection and check down passes out of the backfield.
    6) The Cardinals will not move up, and will probably move back and still get a QB in the 2nd round as a developmental project.
    7 The 1st round pick will be the best O-Lineman available.
    8) McCoy knows how to tailor an offense to the strengths of a QB (Tebow comes to mind).
    9) It’s a low-risk contract, which is Keim’s specialty.
    10) We didn’t have to commit 1/6 of our payroll (145 million) for the next 5 years for a 2nd-tier quarterback (Cousins). HE IS NOT ON THE BRADY-BREES-ROGERS LEVEL!!!

  15. By Tradersbrain on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    So that is what is meant by ‘retool’. HB was so productive last year, it really hurts to see him go. Drafting Baker all but sealed HB’s fate.

  16. By D on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    So far-

    New additions: Bradford, Glennon, Teddy Williams, A. Smith and resign of J. Bynes.
    ….and season ticket down payment renewals are due soon

  17. By JTDG on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Glad to see Josh Bynes back in the fold. Congrats on his contract, he deserved it.

    Just saw the cards signed OT/OG Andre Smith.
    Smith started 8 games last year for the Bengals after starting only 4 games for the Vikings in 2016. Over the last 4 years, Smith has started 35 of a possible 64 games.

  18. By jeffcardinalfan on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    cards resign bynes, sign teddy Williams cb/special teamer, and sign andre smith-64 ranked tackle out of 85-can also play guard

  19. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    All —

    RE: Teddy Williams

    That’s two Teddy Williams references, and I do not know why. Williams reportedly is signing with the Giants.

  20. By Fred on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Keim back loaded this contract when he didn’t need to, that why we cant trade him or retain him, this is on SK . As is the QB situation, bad move by the GM have hurt this team badly. Poor drafting and player development is on the GM.I wish the best for HB good luck on your new team.

  21. By Kurt on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    The reality of not being able (afford) to keep them all.
    Calais Campbell anyone?

  22. By RagingREDBird on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    SK has rep for his 3rd round picks? Ty not on the team, John Brown not on the team and Martin not on the team. If these picks are so great why are they not on the team after 4 or 5 years? It is not a great pick when they only play rookie contracts? Plus one year for TY

  23. By RagingREDBird on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Plus as I have said before SK has never hit past the 3rd round. Should I change that to other than DJ he has never hit past the 2nd round???

  24. By D on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Let’s take an Honest look at the QB’s and the NFC. Granted, the draft hasn’t taken place yet, but as you will see, Mr. Keim will need to hit a Game Winning TD
    and some how draft one of the top 3-4 QB’s coming out this year.

    NFC East
    Prescott
    Manning
    Wentz
    A. Smith

    NFC North
    Trubisky
    Stafford
    Rodgers
    Cousins

    NFC South
    Ryan
    Brees
    Newton
    Winston

    NFC West
    Wilson
    Goff
    Garoppolo
    Bradford.

    One could make an easy argument that the Cards may only be above the Bears and maybe the Bucs in QB rankings. Going to be very difficult to make the playoffs

  25. By Tucson Card on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    What? This seems dumb. I understand badger’s contract wasn’t favorable, but we essentially cut him to make room for an injured qb and glennon?! Badger played fine this year and was coming off a knee injury. He’ll be that much better this year. Badger was great, going to be tough not seeing him in a cardinals uniform :/

  26. By AndyM on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    This one cuts to the heart, because few of us fans do not love the HB. But it is also amusing to see irony in the conflicting emotions of the past 24 hours–the announcing of the pending signing of SB was met with nearly unanimous derision: how dare Steve Keim sign a player with two ACL replacements. Yet, when parting ways with a (younger) player–also with two ACL replacements, diminished physical skills, a huge salary and with a young protege in the wings, the emotions pour out. Everyone seems to want to say that it is a business until our hearts are broken.

  27. By Scott H on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Anyone find it interesting that they chose to release the HB the day AFTER they signed Bradford to such a ridiculous deal?

    Yeah, I know, March 14 was a deadline in that situation. But still…..c’mon, it ain’t like they didn’t know they were releasing him. They absolutely knew. That became a certainty the day they asked him to take a pay cut. The comments HB made last week about that told us he was out the door. There was NO DOUBT about that. That situation was NOT salvageable. His actual release was a formality.

    So, they drop the Bradford bomb, and as the outrage swells, they sneak the HB out the back door.

    OK. So….signing Bradford looks like a distraction for releasing the HB. So…..releasing the HB is now probably a distraction for….what, signing Mike Glennon? Wonder what THAT will then be a distraction for. Geez, maybe they’ll give Keim another extension. Or, they’ll cut Andy Lee and re-sign Drew Butler. Why not? That is pretty much the mode this team is in right now.

    No exaggeration – signing Sam Bradford yesterday and releasing the Honey Badger today is easily THE WORST two-day stretch of personnel moves I have ever been witness to as a fan of this team.

    Take a bow, Keim. You’re totally killing it right now.

    Or, should I say, you’re totally killing US.

  28. By Scott H on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Matt –

    Any team that was paying any attention at all ( probably all 31 of them ) knew they didn’t have to trade for the HB. From the day they asked him to take a pay cut, it was clear he was going to be released. All they had to do was wait. The Cardinals could not have made that any easier than they did.

  29. By creditcard on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    The Cards got rid of HB because he is not the same player he used to be, before his knee operations. HB is not as fast and cannot anticipate plays like he used to, due to the knee problems.

    We replaced (monetary wise) with Sam Bradford who has worse knee issues, and can barely trot, let alone run.

    I still predict, Bradford won’t make it past the 1st game. Thus, the Cards will have the pleasure of paying $1M per anticipated pass completion. Such a bargain!

  30. By RagingREDBird on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    To many fans can’t separate their feelings from basic logic! He has been a good player at best this past two years and keeping him locks the cards into paying big money for two more years if they keep him. He just is not worth that much cash…period! I like him too. Who cares? Feelings don’t win games talent does and for that much money he does not have the talent. He does not play true safety well and has lost a step at the nickle. I am more mad at 20 million on an injury prone Bradford. 20 million???? That is the going market rate?? Who was going to give him that money?? I would love to know who the Cards out bid for him.

  31. By Mike on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Well I’m 4 or 4 on my predictions.

    Arians and Palmer retired
    Badger and AP let go.
    Now get rid of Upati and Veldeer and I’m 6 for 6.

  32. By TucsonTim on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Andre Smith

    PFF: “Smith struggled in pass protection over the past three seasons in particular, allowing six sacks, eight hits and 62 hurries on 999 pass blocking snaps over that span with the Cincinnati Bengals and Minnesota Vikings. Smith was much better early in his career…”

    Keimageden continues

  33. By El Gallo on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    -HB

    It didn’t have to be like this.

    What happened to the phrase used by both MB & SK:
    “HB would be a face of the franchise..”

    Losing the Badger in this way will not only be a blemish, but a point of contention when looking back. And to think that it isn’t over, only day one of this new season.

    What a bummer!
    The best to you HB..

  34. By Big Ken on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    @ Patrick
    Keep your check lists coming. Things are getting interesting.

  35. By TucsonTim on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    D –

    Cue up Jim Mora… What’s that? PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS???

  36. By TucsonTim on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    JTDG –

    So are you saying that between Humphries and Smith we have one tackle spot covered for maybe 16 games?

  37. By Scott H on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    D –

    Sorry, I just can’t resist this…

    Playoffs? Don’t talk about playoffs….PLAYOFFS? You kiddin’ me?

    That Jim Mora rant never gets old.

    My friend, you are being way too generous in saying it is going to be very difficult to make the playoffs. Let’s be honest – we have no shot. How can anyone look at the Cardinals at anything other than a 4th place team in their own division? C’mon – who are they better than just in that little group? Answer? No one. So…..when you are a last place team in your own division, you are pretty much a bottom-four team in the conference.

    Only six teams in each conference make the playoffs, so….do the math.

    Again – playoffs???? No. There’s no way.

  38. By El Gallo on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    – Back-up QB

    How does possibly having Glennon on the team make us better?

    Who’s team did he improve while starting, let alone playing?

    Last year he went 1-3.
    Soon replaced.
    Threw more INTs than TDs in that span 5-4.
    Continually gets beat-out by in-coming rookies..

    How does adding him into the fold make us any better??
    Anyone

  39. By John S. on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Bummer… but I get it. Just sad to see him go myself, and even worse that we didn’t get anything for him with that big money in play… sigh.
    Having that gem of a pick with Budda Baker makes it less painful from an over-all team perspective I suppose and a consideration in it all too.
    So… now what?

  40. By JCH on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Okay im super MAD, CARDINALS MAY have lost me as their fan oh welll…..My whole fam is boycotting the NFL for the reason of them kneeling for the natonail anthem and im the only reason we even wathed any games last year and we only watched the arizona cardinals… WELP im putting my FOOT DOWN NOW!!! THIS IS STUPID okay we get Bradford and release Adrain Peterson and Tyran Mathieu JUST SO WE CAN PAYYYY FOR STUPIF FREAKING BRADFORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  41. By El Gallo on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Loosing HB, possibly adding Glennon

    But Why..

    That feeling in the pit of your stomach

  42. By RagingREDBird on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Darren,
    Please set the record straight

    So two years ago Ty was still in his rookie contract so really he played on year(his 5th) with 40 million in guarantees. Does that mean that really he played last year for 40 Million? I kind of remember that some of the Guarantee was based on his being on the roster? How much was that true Guarantee money cause that is what he got paid to play last year. It turned out to be a one year deal worth what? Right?

  43. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Raging —

    RE: Contract

    The current deal was signed in 2016.

    “The contract gives both sides satisfaction. According to profootballtalk.com, Mathieu was guaranteed more than $21 million over the next two seasons just for signing. But further salaries are based on being on the roster early in the league year (March), giving the Cardinals protection if Mathieu has further injury problems following two ACL tears in three seasons.”

    http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/Risk-Of-Tyrann-Mathieu-Gets-Rewarded/fc1f2c26-552d-4ecb-8aa3-74b710fb4850

  44. By creditcard on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Raging Red Bird,

    I’m not certain if any other team in their right mind would bid on Sam Bradford.

    Keim simply got hood-winked, for the bargain price of $20M. Goodness, this is a head scratching move.

    I see that Trevor Siemian is going to Minnesota, as their back-up. So the Vikings are getting Cousins and Siemian, while the Cards will get Bradford and Glennon.

    For certain, 1 team is by far better than the Cards in the NFC.

  45. By patrick on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Darren,
    Is it coincidence or on purpose that there is no Cardinals Caravan this week?
    Probably a good thing. Red might have been sacrificed by the angry villagers.

  46. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Patrick —

    RE: Caravan

    That schedule is made well in advance.

  47. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    HB was overpaid post injury, underperformed, Cards asked for modest adjustment, HB walked. Gotta say, Cards were there for him when he was down, twice.HB disappoints with response. of course, that’s a market, thats $$. But Cards a family org, that went further than any other would have.

    All that said, HB a step slow and pales in skill at this point to BB.

    Fare thee well, HB.

  48. By jeffcardinalfan on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    well now that we have 2 qbs(for better or worse) I think cards should offer later round pic for chad Kelly-he has supposedly been a model citizen since being drafted by Denver and his arm is ok-he has great physical tools and the Kelly bloodline. then, trade down in first round to get extra second, then we have 5 pics in first 3 rounds-corner, receiver, 2 ol and interior d line, with last 2 pics speedy receiver and speedy linebacker-special teams.

  49. By D on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Justin Pugh would be a good get for the OL, we’ll see what happens..
    He was the top run blocking Guard in 2015 and 2016.

  50. By Scott H on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    So….already out the door this off-season are Carson Palmer and the Honey Badger. We have quite a head-start en route to another off-season where the departures far outweigh the gains. And that does not happen in the NFL when an organization knows that they are doing.

    Entering the off-season with NO QB’s under contract for the following season? Again, should never happen with an organization that has even SOME idea what they are doing.

    They set themselves up to have to over-pay for a QB, thereby ensuring that too much of their spending money would need to be spent on the QB, thereby ensuirng that other needs aren’t going to be adequately met, thereby making it very likely that it’s going to be another off-season of acquisitions via older players, injury-prone players, one-year Steve Keim specials, and picking through the scrap heap.

    Heck, Sam Bradford already meets two of those criteria.

    The 2017 off-season all over again. All that’s missing is hearing that Justin Bethel is being penciled in to be the starter at CB2. It’s already feeling like a failure in progress, so….why the hell not?

  51. By Whyyy on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Compensatory pick for next year, or will the Bradford signing nullify that?

  52. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Whyyy —

    RE: Comp pick

    Only players who are free agents because their contract runs out count in the comp pick equation. Mathieu was released, so he will not count. John Brown will.

    On the other side, for instance, Bradford will count against in the equation, but Glennon — cut by the Bears — would not.

  53. By patrick on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Find bridge qb1 ✅ (Bradford)
    Veteran Qb backup ✅ (Glennon)
    Release Adrian Peterson ✅
    Resolve HB contract ✅
    Sign inside LB ✅ (Bynes)
    Improve O-line ✅ (Andre Smith)
    I will add the entire to do list next time.

  54. By NJAzCardsFan on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Maybe we all should just focus on the Cards Cheerleader tryouts…???

  55. By RagingREDBird on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Just read the Darren HB link that was the article that Darren wrote on the new contract a few years ago. HB is quoted as saying that he does not play for the money……Right…We all know that he was not telling the truth at the time, but it is funny to have to eat your words by making such a big a deal he had made the last two days about taking a pay cut vs restructuring. I thought that it was not about the money Honey?!?

    I don’t blame him, but his hypocrisy just got exposed.

    Makes me think about Docket and what he said to Dansby and then left the team to get more money with the 49ers

  56. By Richard S on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    With the cap you only have so much money to spend, so some cuts have to be made. To be sure the next QB will want to be paid. Other clubs are not so encumbered with cap problems.

  57. By Dr. G. on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Confidence Lacking?

    Jusr read an article about looking into see if 73 year old Jim Hart can come from retirement!

    AGGRESSIVE? Please use different vernacular… talk about “”tired & false”” narrative oft used by our host….!

  58. By dan on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Bradford = canceling my season tickets…..no thanks.

  59. By Mojo cards on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    keim and glennon went to same college.Just like ole bruce using a 4th round on his guy from his college. 8 million for glennon bad management of money. Honey badger knows he has to make as much money as possible that is why he probably didn’t take pay cut and his new name is Money Badger. Goodbluck to him.

  60. By Johnson on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Some of these comments mention about making the playoffs??? What are you people smoking? This team might end up going 0-16 next season…

  61. By Chris G. on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    All I have left is a “wait and see” feeling. I was hoping for a “we’re going to be aggressive” feeling, but it looks like “wait and see” will have to do. Maybe they gave Sam a bionic knee? We’ll just have to and see.
    Hey that rhymes.

  62. By Aaron Allery on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Honey Badger had lost a step but was still better than 80% of the safeties in the league. The real headscratcher is the business side. I guarantee, 100%, without a doubt, Honey Badger will make more merch sales wherever he lands than Bradford, Glennon, and the en tire cards team besides Larry. Does Keim get evaluated? We should conduct a fan evaluation of the Arizona Cardinals and publish it in the AZ Central. That way they can know how we really feel about their moronic decisions.

  63. By Coach K on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Darren,

    I think the bird gang is having an anxiety attack.

    I’m sure by the time the draft ends, everyone will feel much better
    knowing we got our future franchise QB, plus picked up one or two top
    rated receivers and a couple solid O-line prospects.

    So as bad as it seems to many of the bird gang, I’m thinking the Cards
    will make the right moves in the draft.

    They really have no choice. As I have said before, this could be the most important draft in Cardinal history.

  64. By Dr. G. on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Well, it surprises me with this justifiably frantic posting that it has not been mentioned ~ ~ This Bradford acquisition is a serious dice roll for Keim crossing his fingers to pull one out of his, uh… trunk of hopeful magic.

    If Bradford is healthy, he can be good, but I see snake eyes coming before too long…another statuesque QB…one tweak from riding the pine. Soooooo many missed opportunities I’m thinking. Will Keim escape the Houdini snare?

    More disappointing is that now there will probably be zero effort to move up for one of the guys in this good QB draft class. Keim is probably thinking this is a rebuilding year…then maybe a QB next year. …starting to wonder what MBidwill is thinking about approving such things…on vacation?

    I’ve long since questioned how Keim decided to sign HB to a huge guarantee while he was still on crutches the 2nd time…mind boggling. Now he appears foolish backing down.

    And as ScottH pointed out, they lost absolutely any negotiating power by advertising they had to renegotiate or cut…just dumb.

  65. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    Dr. G —

    RE: Negotiating power

    What power? The date was built into the contract. Both sides put it there. It’s a common trigger in many player’s contracts, and when players are released, this is often the reason.

  66. By Chris G. on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    It must suck to be a Patriot’s fan and go into every game knowing that there is a 95% chance your team is going to win. Even if you are down by 7 points with under a minute to go and have no timeouts, you still know you’ve got the win. Really, how much fun could that be? I would like to personally thank Steve Keim and Co. for making it possible for me and my fellow Cardinal’s fans, to never ever have that feeling. Keeping my expectations low is a much better way to go.

  67. By Patrick on Mar 14, 2018 | Reply

    bridge qb1 ✅ (Bradford)
    Veteran Qb backup ✅ (Glennon)
    Release Adrian Peterson ✅
    Resolve HB contract ✅
    Sign inside LB ✅ (Bynes)
    Improve O-line ✅ (Andre Smith)
    To do list:
    Draft QB of future preferably round 1 but definitely in first 2 rounds.
    Sign Fullback
    Sign WR2
    Sign WR depth
    Sign TE depth
    Improve OL (interior)
    Resolve Iupati and/or Veldheer contract(s)
    Sign CB2
    Sign slot CB
    Improve Interior D line

    Feel free to make suggestions / improvements.

  68. By Lifetime Fan on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    And remember when you all raged at me for wanting DREW STANTON so bad. Signing Drew at 3 mil. a year and building a strong defense and oline looks pretty genius compared to thowing out good defensive players to pay for broken QBs.

  69. By tom manoogian on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    ————IT’S OFFICIAL–WE ARE NOW CALLED ARIZONA BROWNS—HOT DANG,NOW IF WE CAN JUST GET THE COLD WEATHER

  70. By BirdsSTC on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    I swear if I see one more comment asking why we didn’t trade HB…

  71. By Scott H on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    El Gallo –

    RE: How does having Glennon make us better?

    Damned if I know. As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t.

    But what moves HAVE they made in recent years that seemed like they made us any better? The last one I can remember is the trade for Chandler Jones.

    Glennon couldn’t get on the field in Chicago last year. And who plays there? The woeful Bears. Who drafted a rookie QB. And Glennon couldn’t get on the field.

    Again, tell me why. Why weren’t we OK with Stanton ( who is CLEARLY a better choice ALL AROUND than Mile Glennon ) or even Gabbert for that matter?

    Or, why not AJ McKarron, who I think would also have been a better choice than Glennon?

    Somewhere, Larry Fitzgerald is thinking to himself, why didn’t I wait to see who the QB was going to be before I made a decision??

  72. By Jon on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    Reports are saying that Cards offered 9 million a season and HB turned it down.

    It just proves that no matter how much money a person has apparently its just, never ever enough. Our city and organization put everything into this guy. He didn’t perform and the team still offers him a huge sum of money in the hopes he’ll give us something back. He proceeds to whine on twitter and in the media about it. Boo hoo, I’m only gonna make 9 million a year.

    No hard feelings but at the same time don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  73. By Larry Lindsay on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    Until this morning I was a huge Badger fan. Like many now will be, I’m sure, I’m profoundly disappointed in the Badger. I just finished reading the article by Kevin Patra at nfl.com. Badger is quoted as saying “It’s not all about money for me. I want to go somewhere where I can be completely immersed in football, and it’s not too much about anything but winning. I want to be a part of winning culture, where you feel that all the time. That’s all I want.” Wow, what a slam on the Cards. Gee Badger, we all thought the Cards had that culture and have had for years. Now you are telling the world they don’t. Weak, very weak, at a minimum, and I won’t go into the maximum..

    In the same article “Mathieu said the Cardinals wanted to take $5 million off the $11 million he was due in 2018. The Honey Badger also rejected a $3 million shave, leading to his release.” If I understand this correctly, if Mathieu would have taken the $5,000,000 pay cut he still would have made $6,000,000 for playing a year’s worth of football. If $3,000,000, then he’s making $8,000,000 for a year’s worth of snaps. Dunno how much money he has already made, but surely a whole lot more than 99% of Cardinals fans will make in their entire lifetime. Why not play for free, for the love of the game, at a minimum to thank the team that believed in you? How much money is enough?

    Translation: it is all about the money, and as in the post above, he now is the Money Badger to me.

  74. By Patrick on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    bridge qb1 ✅ (Bradford)
    Veteran Qb backup ✅ (Glennon)
    Release Adrian Peterson ✅
    Resolve HB contract ✅
    Sign inside LB ✅ (Bynes)
    Improve O-line ✅ (Andre Smith)
    Resolve Iupati contract ✅
    To do list:
    Draft QB of future preferably round 1 but definitely in first 2 rounds.
    Sign Fullback
    Sign WR2
    Sign WR depth
    Sign TE depth
    Improve OL (interior)
    Resolve Veldheer contract
    Sign CB2
    Sign slot CB
    Improve Interior D line

  75. By JTDG on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    So, can you read anything into this? Badger speaking to reporter;

    “It’s not all about money for me,” he said. “I want to go somewhere where I can be completely immersed in football, and it’s not too much about anything but winning. I want to be a part of winning culture, where you feel that all the time. That’s all I want.”

    So, if it not about the money and he wants to be where the culture is about winning………………….

  76. By Phx Raiders on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    I like the Bradford signing. Short term low risk. High comp %, and low int. We need an above average qb to win 8 games. No one else available other than cousins worth the money. If he goes down or busts…it was short term. Deshawn Watson was the man but that ship sailed. So maybe this years draft. Loved the badger, but can’t afford a safety at that price. Glendon? Meh. But potential and he’s only the backup. Gabbert at 3 maybe. Drew was a great guy but career 53%.

  77. By Phx Raiders on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    Need some value free agents on OL. The patriot way. FA and draft should be nothing but QB, CB, OL. And a late round WR.

    Got a bad feeling about Wilks. But hope I am wrong and time will tell.

    Glad to hear Marcus is ahead of schedule. Him going down early last year was the least discussed but biggest loss of the season in the league. He was dynamic and it changed everything on D. Hope he’s back full speed.

  78. By clssylssy on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    I really think this move is going to come back and bite the Cardinals BAD. Already, we are being shredded and made a joke of by national media analysts and writers, who, consider Tyrann a pretty hot commodity and standout playmaker, despite his knee surgeries or having “lost a step” as our local media likes to spin it. And, no argument, he hasn’t played with the same fire and enthusiasm as he previously did, but neither has the rest of the team except for Larry Fitz. It’s been a VERY BAD two seasons since we lost that Championship game to the Panthers and this team just hasn’t come back like real winners do. Internal discord? Quite possible that the “football guys” who are expected to do the actual work of winning games don’t “feel the love” from the organization who talks the talk but can’t seem to live up to their big talk when it comes to signing replacement players or recruiting the necessary impact players to allow us to seize the day and get to the next level, or even stay in the running. Phoenix is a community of settlers, people from all over who are quite willing to “settle” for mediocrity.
    Coming from the midwest, I am use to a fanbase where the expectation is the playoffs, and there is no “settling”. The fans are rabid and passionate and when there is a slump they are harsh. And, it’s not just professional football but all sports; we have teams who regularly feed players to the NFL and NBA, make the playoffs and final four; it’s a culture of high achievers and competitors.
    You don’t have to be a NFL insider, or league exec to know when a team is mismanaged and not making the grade. We have many intelligent birdgang fans from many areas who are very qualified and knowledgeable about running large companies, managing budgets and have personal professional contacts in the sports world, and understand the priciples of planning and development, marketing, and PR. And, then there is organizational politics
    .
    Fans are being sold the narrative of the Cap hit the team was going to take with the HB contract, mixed in with the argument that he had declined and was not performing. And, while this may be true in part, who is responsible for this “bad” contract–the front office, namely Steve Keim and Michael Bidwill. I believe this was by design and that if the Cap figure were the issue it could have been worked around IF the team REALLY wanted to. Other teams have done it, the Eagles did it, the Broncos have done it several times with Von Miller, maybe they are just smarter?? The Cards have a track record for awarding huge contracts they never make good on, Perhaps, players are seeing this and are deciding this is not a place to go to help their career. Are the Cardinals now viewed as a career killer?

    With every new regime, there comes a house cleaning and the new guys want to plant their flag and establish their own identity. This starts with the coaches but also includes high profile personnel associated with the previous group including fan favorite players like the Honey Badger. It happened with Arians who got rid of some of our best SB players and almost drive off Fitz, and now here we go again starting last season when Keim decimated our defense as BA’s health was an issue and it seemed the handwriting was on the wall. Is it any wonder this team is the oldest in the NFL without a Lombardi, there is no consistency or real cohesiveness within the ranks!
    As far as Tyrann Mathieu goes, this will probably turn out to be a blessing in disguise for him. He is still highly respected around the league and considered by his peers to be one of the best in the game, as well as a standout asset for any community and someone who younger guys emulate and want to learn from. He’s the Badger, which is a tenacious and scary animal, and shouldn’t be underestimated! Thanks for the memories Tyrann Mathieu, you made football exciting and will be missed. You made a difference, even for a short time, and touched a lot of kids.

  79. By Phx Raiders on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    If the plan called for. Bridge qb, Taylor was the choice. Above avg acc, and mobile. I.e.: more likely to survive and make plays when the OL spaced out.

  80. By Phx Raiders on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    I have to agree with classy. Wining, so the saying goes, is an attitude. So is settling. The great teams are always great. The bad teams are always bad. It starts from the top. Michael is an improvement over the old man. And the cards have improved. Love him or hate him….I’d take billichek in a heart beat. And I don’t even really know why. He just knows, and that’s worth everything.

    Its attitude. Not necessarily the belief that something can be done. But moreso, the disbelief in any other way but winning.

  81. By Joe C. on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    Clssy, How would signing HB (or keeping him at $14M in 2018 and $19M in 2019) be any different then “the front office going out and signing free agents with injury histories?” You rant one way one week and one way the next. As I’ve said many times, the Cards struck gold in Palmer and weren’t planning on contending. This year should have happened the second year of Arians reign. The team is pointing to 2019 while keeping the possibility of competing in 2018 open. I’m looking forward to the draft and some of our existing young players to develop and a surprise or two diamond in the rough.

  82. By clssylssy on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    Joe C…
    If you were paying attention, I said there were ways to restructure the Badger’s contract (a la Broncos did with Von Miller, Eagles did with Ebron etc) to avoid the heavy Cap hit. Our goal should be to retain the good players we do have, who are an asset to the team’s success in multiple ways, as we don’t have the money or draft picks to build a winning team otherwise. Also, Tyrann doesn’t have a degenerative knee condition and was getting back to form. You seem to have a way of selectively cherry picking parts of conversations (or rants) that you want to hear and then take issue.
    I think I have been VERY consistent in my expectations for this organization putting a winning product on the field and I want to win it all every year. I would love to see a winning culture here in Arizona on a level with KC, Seattle, Philly, Green Bay,Baltimore, Denver, Pittsburg, San Francisco, Dallas, Oakland, New England.
    But, you hang on to your rose colored glasses b/c that is the only way you will
    be able to justify the actions of this front office!
    And, if you were paying attention, I’m not the only one who feels this way.

  83. By El Gallo on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    – Glennon
    @Scott H

    I have to agree with you there.

    Glennon for one, doesn’t win many games.
    Two, he can’t stay on the field. (as you also mentioned)
    Younger and less experienced QBs have beat him out in each NFL organization he’s been with because of his poor play and decision making.

    So I’ve been thinking..
    Did a change of scenery, different OC, different scheme help him?
    No.
    What is the expectation of him with us then?
    All of a sudden he’s going to be a different guy?
    I don’t buy it at all..

    As for Sam, good QB. Can’t dispute that.
    Good teammate, overall person, idk.. We’ll find out.
    But the one thing everyone does know is that he can’t stay on the field either.

    Pair of QBs that struggle being on the field of play.
    Will they earn their contracts? Actually win games..?
    Quite the investment.

  84. By Steve on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    What perplexes me about this whole release thing and the so called massive interest is why didn’t Arizona trade him? I’m sure there is a team that would’ve gave up a 5th rounder and then redone his contract….. I feel like most likely the front office may have been strung along a bit so that Mathieu could choose where he wanted to go…. If so, that’s not cool at all

  85. By Steve on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    Regarding Mike Glennon…. Last year Minnesota had Sam Bradford and signed journeyman backup Case Keenum…. basically a bum that had a career less spectacular in every way than Mike Glennon…. I am sure if we read comments a year ago on Vikings social media the dialogue regarding Keenum would have been the same as what negative people are saying on here about Glennon…. looking forward I feel the Arizona defense is as strong (if not stronger – Golden and Baker and Reddick need to come through) as Minnesota… we have 2 amazingly talented offensive pieces…. lets get the O-line straightened out and 1 more receiver and I think we will be fine…

  86. By Dr. G. on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    Darren ~ Negotiation power? I get your point, but hear me out.

    I understand the contract date stipulations. …was merely reiterating a comment by Scott in agreement.

    When the media ask Keim about Tyrann, he said, yeah we want him back. And then Tyrann goes to twitter a week ago indicating that he wants to make as much as possible… This indicates that he was probably asked to renegotiate terms.

    So I guess the GMs should wait until the very last minute on guarantee day to offer a take-it-or-get -cut offer in order to perhaps obtain a trade so the player can’t tell the world things aren’t to his liking…?

    Contract negotiations with agents are usually secret, but unless the player has a confidentiality agreement also, you can’t keep him quiet.

    Tyrann obviously wanted control where to play….so for him it was pay me or cut me…you can’t trade me to a team I don’t want to play for. The End!

  87. By Steve on Mar 15, 2018 | Reply

    All this talk of the Cardinals going 0-16 with Sam Bradford and Mike Glennon is overblown….. the 2016 Minnesota Vikings were 8-8 (hmmm isn’t that interesting), the 2017 Vikings made it to 13-3 with Case Keenum , yes Case Keenum —a journeyman bum at the helm …… like I said previously the Arizona defense will be every bit as good (I think better because of our pass rush)… than the Vikings… just chill out people, we wont miss Mathieu…. again lets look at history…we didnt miss Jefferson, Swearinger even though they played great so did Bethea , Branch…

  88. By Cardinal's Chick on Mar 16, 2018 | Reply

    Clssy…What are the ways Badger’s contract could have been restructured? I’m curious to hear your thoughts. One would think that SK and crew would have explored all options before releasing him. Especially since they indicated on multiple occasions that they didn’t want to let him go. Surely, they had way more insight about the situation than any of us.We can speculate all day about the coulda, shoulda, woulda’s….but at the end of the day he is a casualty of the salary cap. Sad to say because I really loved watching him play…as well as the work he has done in the community.

    Personally I am not a fan of the Bradford gamble, and certainly think Glennon is a complete waste. Especially since there were already 2 mediocre QB’s to serve the purpose of backups available. But, again, considering the salary cap restriction we have this year, I understand the choice.

    Ultimately, we need to shore up the offensive line. Give glass Bradford time to throw the ball…and hopefully not blow out his knee again. But, also give DJ protection. The last thing we need is another year with an average run game.

  89. By MoJoe on Mar 16, 2018 | Reply

    I imagine the conversation between SK and TM went something like this:

    SK- Hey Tyrann, can you take a pay cut and bail me out of that stupid contract I gave you 2 years ago?

    HB-No

    SK- Ok, see you

    The fact is, it was a contract that SK foolishly and prematurely issued and was going to hurt the Cards financially in 2018, regardless. One look at the salary cap of 2018 and anyone could see that the Cards could make only so many moves/upgrades and those moves most likely wouldn’t be seen as major upgrades just cheaper lateral moves or depth players, which you need. These recent moves would probably be the same type moves made even if Carson Palmer was finishing out his last year of his contract. Asking TM to take a pay cut was responsible on SK’s part but didn’t stand a chance of happening.

    IMO, TM saw the Cards regressing and didn’t want to be a part of a team that couldn’t be as competitive as when he first started. He will be able to choose his next team and play the style of game that he wants. I suspect that he fit into only a certain part of Wilks defensive scheme and will be looking for a team that allows him to play near the line of scrimmage like a hybrid linebacker and not as much as a cover corner. Clearly, he wanted a change of scenary, his money and his style of play.Taking a pay cut of 3 million was not an unreasonable request.

    Its obvious to me that the Cards are trying to be relevant in 2018, but are looking towards 2019 when they will have ample salary cap to make quality additions and rebuild. But, they MUST build the team through the Draft, including getting a QBOTF. This is strictly on Keim whose track record is iffy. Bradford is a bridge QB and someone I don’t have a problem with leading the team this year. With the Rams and 49ers on the rise, Russell Wilson still in Seattle and with our difficult schedule, I hope the Cards can show marked improvement under Wilks, be competitive every Sunday and win the games they couldn’t last year.

    I am looking forward to seeing the team under a new head coach, new position coaches and a new offensive coordinator. I hope we have enough offensive firepower to score and stay in games. But mostly, Ill be anxious to see how our young offensive lineman like Cole Toner and draft picks are coached up and how they perform. And hoping that Chad Williams is coached up and blossoms into our #3 receiver. Player development was not achieved under BA and appears to be the focus of Wilks. Hoping our new revamped OL gives Bradford time to throw downfield or intermediate passes to Fitz, DJ and RSJ so we at least move the chains. Looking forward to watching Fitz move into 2nd place on the all time list.

    I just want to see a team firing on all cylinders, playing with passion and being competitive. I’m hoping that Steve Wilks and his staff brings out the best in who we have and who we draft. Looking forward to start of the season under the Wilks Regime. Go Cards!

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