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Cards could still re-sign own FA or two

Posted by Darren Urban on March 28, 2018 – 7:36 am

The majority of the Cardinals’ own unrestricted free agents have found a home going into the 2018 offseason, but there are still some that have not yet signed anywhere. The door isn’t necessarily closed that one — or a couple — could come back.

“It’s still a possibility,” coach Steve Wilks said at the NFL league meetings in Orlando. “I know some of those guys have gone on and gotten with (other) teams, but in that second wave, third wave, we can circle back and find out from a financial standpoint if it is feasible (for someone to return.)”

Feasible usually means how much the player is willing to take monetarily. He also has to still fit in the depth chart, and we are creeping closer to the time when teams will simply put free agency on hold until after the draft, to see what holes are filled in that regard.

Of the remaining free agents the Cards still have, some could make sense to return: guards Alex Boone and Earl Watford, since the line could still use more depth; safety Tyvon Branch after the release of Tyrann Mathieu (although the significant knee injury Branch suffered last season will be a factor, as will his age); running back Kerwynn Williams; defensive lineman Frostee Rucker; and, given a position shortage, tight end Troy Niklas. (The full Cardinals’ free-agent tracker is here.)

The Cardinals will eventually get to 90 on the offseason roster, but they are at 63 now. (Update: Make that 64.) Usually, between draft picks and undrafted rookies, the Cards add around 25 players. That would leave a couple spots still — and, of course, if they found a better option, they could also eventually release someone already in place.


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76 Responses to “Cards could still re-sign own FA or two”

  1. By Matt on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    We need a blocking tight end and Troy Niklas is just that

  2. By D on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    I would hope T. Branch is resigned-since the Cards still Need a slot CB along with a Outside CB.

    Still glaring hole at WR, although AZ’s former WR’s got decent deals, so they need to sign at least 1 WR still in free agency.

    Also have a glaring hole at TE. Need a free signing here.

    Besides QB and OT as 1st Round draft pick potentials, this team now lacks depth at DE. And free agency doesn’t have much left to offer. Don’t be surprised if a DE is high on their draft position list. There isn’t anyone behind Golden and Jones, unless they plan on moving Gunter or Pierre to Outside to DE

  3. By RBledsoe on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    One problem that the Cardinals have had in the past with the O-Line was that their backups have been relatively inexperienced.

    I would like to see a combination of Khalif Barnes (LT, RT), Alex Boone (LG, RG) and/or Earl Watford (Swiss Army Knife).

  4. By RBledsoe on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Because of the usage of Tight Ends in BA’s offence we really don’t know what we have in Troy Niklas. He comes from a university that feeds the NFL with Tight Ends and we really haven’t been able to see any of his catch and run skills.

    I’d give him a one year deal with a lower base salary but with “games played” and performance escalators.

    I’d also would like to see Cardinals bring Brittan Golden back. He’s one of the better gunners in the league and has contributed as a WR when needed.

  5. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Niklas, Boone, Branch please. But no guarantees.

  6. By jeffcardinalfan on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    it would be nice to have branch but cards better sign boone and watford

  7. By Big Ken on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    By trading Veldheer it frees up 10.2 million, a nice chunk of cap space change.

  8. By RagingREDBird on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    It is shocking to me on that poll that almost 60% of Cards fan do not think DJ is going to get 1000 yards rushing?!? 35% don’t even believe that he will hit the 800 mark?

    This is not a BA team anymore. Wilks will run the ball.

  9. By Big Ken on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Darren reports 6.9 million cap space with Veldheer trade, still glad to get it.

  10. By JosEPh on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    The photo above is probably where Veldheer got his ankle injury from. Boone stomping it surely could not have been a good thing, you think? Wasn’t it the Jags game that Veldheer came up with the broken ankle?

  11. By Dynosoar on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Jordy Nelson side by side or on opposite sides with Larry Fitzgerald.

    And improve the O-Line more. With the Rams attention to their D-Line we’ll need to improve our Offensive Line big time, but we all know that. Next year, get Phillip Rivers or Andy Dalton (unless Bradley is able to stay healthy and I hope he does.)

    @Patrick,

    I believe we can win it all this year. I am an eternal optimist, but I also acknowledge the brutal facts and the brutal facts are the Rams play brutal and adding Suh only reinforces that. (Yeah, pun was intended,)

    Can we hoist the Lombardi this season? Yes.
    Will we? I’m looking forward to the season to find out.

    I believe we can win it all this year. My list to get their
    1. Draft QB to prepare for the future. (Prepare to sign Rivers or Dalton next year)
    2. Sign Jordy Neslon and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
    3. Improve the O-Line even more, I’d be ok with spending five draft picks on the O-Line.
    4. Bring back Watford, Williams, Boone and Rucker.
    5. Think, Speak, Practice and Play to win it all

    This is our team. This is my team.

  12. By Darren Urban on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Dyno —

    RE: Nelson

    Nelson signed with the Raiders last week.

  13. By creditcard on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Watford, Boone, Niklas, and Williams make sense to resign, and see how the 90-man roster shapes into a 53-man roster.

    Interesting signing of German player, Djer, only 22-yrs old. Raw, much like drafting a college player.

    Cards have several holes to fill (WR, QB, TE, OL, DL, LB, CB and S) Only two ways to fill these needs, FA and the draft.

  14. By Coach K on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    I think Troy Nicholas played well when healthy. I say sign him.

    CBS sports is projecting the Cards to take Lamar Jackson with the 15 pick. That is the dumbest projection I have read all year. Jackson is raw and would not be ready for at least a year or two. He is NOT the 15th best player in this draft.

    I hope the Cardinals don’t go crazy and overdraft a position and bypass better talent in this draft. I’d rather have a blue chip Offensive Tackle who could play right tackle and sure up the offensive line to protect Bradford instead of a young underdeveloped QB who would require a complete change of offense, and might not have the “it factor” needed to be the franchise QB.

    Keim needs to draft Best Available Athlete who is ready to start on day one.

    Who might be available at pick #15?

    Mike McGlinchey, OT,
    Jaire Alexander, CB
    DaRon Paine, DT
    Isaiah Wynn, C-G
    Courtland Sutton, WR

    Or, trade down and get an extra second round pick.

    Just don’t overdraft a position Mr. Keim.. Please.

  15. By georgiebird on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    I have not been impressed with Niklas. HOWEVER, Troy is only 25 years old- that’s about the age of some newly drafted TEs.
    I would definitely give Niklas another shot at the age of 25. Being drafted at 21 hurt his chances- his body wasn’t ready for the rigors of the NFL.
    We lost two guys who will do well elsewhere in Jaron and Kareem. Try to get the Veteran Niklas back at the tender age of. OR he will blossom elsewhere.

  16. By joe holst on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    there is no turning back now let them all walk in this rebuilding year although no one will ever confess it is a rebuilding year it absolutely 100% is.

  17. By KS on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Nikglas is toast and he should be. A very high draft pick wasted on a dime a dozen player. Time to move on and never look back.

  18. By dkerry5242 on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Sign Boone and Niklas and quite screwing around.

  19. By patrick on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    By faster on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply
    @patrick, from one positive poster to another one, you are surely able to explain, why bradfords contract has a no trade clause?

    Sam Bradford has a no trade clause because from his perspective he was able to have input on which team he played for when selecting a team in free agency. The no trade clause allows him to have input if he loses the starting job and the Cardinals want to trade him.

    From the Cardinals perspective, they signed him to be the starting quarterback for 2018 and they have an out after one year. In best case, unlikely scenario a rookie quarterback of the future beats him out, the Cardinals will have to get him to approve a trade.

    and one last factor quoted from Darren Urban 3/19/2018 “Interestingly, he also got a no-trade clause, perhaps not a shock after he was dealt right before the season started in 2016 from Philadelphia to Minnesota.”

  20. By Christopher Whitaker on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    It’s very important to sign OG Alex Boone ! Iupati may not last more than a few games.

  21. By patrick on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    By jeffcardinalfan on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    “im not a fair weather fan and I will root for 19-0 but it looks like 7-9 with a healthy roster and 4-12 if Bradford and o-line suffer injuries.”

    If we are having rational posts like yours jeffcardinalfan, I don’t disagree with your assessment as to where the Cardinals stand as of 3/28/2018.

    I would say the Cardinals, as of today, would be a 7-9 team with a +/- of 3 games. So best case 10-6, worse case 4-12 and likely 7-9.
    I would also agree with 6-10 +/- 3 (best case 9-7, likely 6-10, worst case 3-13.

    As long as the caveat is that it is before the draft, before the Cardinals have filled out the roster, and subject to change as more information becomes available.

  22. By patrick on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    By Dynosoar on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply
    “I believe we can win it all this year. I am an eternal optimist, but I also acknowledge the brutal facts and the brutal facts are the Rams play brutal and adding Suh only reinforces that. (Yeah, pun was intended,)”

    I agree the Rams are being hyper aggressive and are looking like the team to beat. Suh and Donald will be a force, as will Marcus Peters and Talib.

    Just not ready to concede the division title to them in March.
    Let’s have that settled on the field when the time comes.

  23. By dynosoar on Mar 28, 2018 | Reply

    Well I’ve been away from my computer and wow, I missed that.

    I stand by everything else.

  24. By jeffcardinalfan on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    its hard to judge tes in ba’s system…troy showed flashes but has been injured a lot.

  25. By cardfan on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    I’d hope we could resign Troy Niklas. Big blocking tight end who can catch the football. He had injuries early but at only 25 he is ready to be a major player for us.

  26. By JCH on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    Okay I don’t know what the big deal is about David Johnson? He has been injured a full year so we can not expect him to play as great as he did the other seasons.

    I love David Johnson and I really wish he does outstanding this year but i don’t see him being a huge factor like he was in other seasons.

    “FINGERS CROSSED HE WILL BE JUST AS GOOD AS HE USED TO BE!”

  27. By Coach K on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    Not sure if this post will work, but psychic tells Mayfield he will be chosen by the Cardinals.

    If this link doesn’t work, it’s on NFL.com I believe.

  28. By D on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    AZ Draft:

    Round 1, #15
    M. McGlinchey OT Notre Dame
    The top 4 QB’s have been drafted prior to #15, SK won’t over draft the 5/6 best QB. This OT will be the future at RT. Could take over for A. Smith by week 7 of Rookie year.

    SK/AZ makes a move back into Round 1 at #31 with the Pats.
    (Belicheck and SK like to do deals together)
    The move back into Round costs AZ their 2nd RD draft pick and pick #79, their 1st -3rd round pick.

    Round 1, #31st
    M. Rudolph QB. OK. State. Kid had a productive college career, has good size, would need 1-2 years to learn NFL defenses, has time behind Bradford/Glennon.

    Round 3, # 97
    T. Brown CB ALA. -Never can have enough CB’s. Brown has good size

    Round 4, #134
    T. Fumagalli TE Wis. Could be a nice TE with all around good ability. Currently only Ricky Seals is the only young TE on the roster. New coaching staff will use the TE unlike BA.

    Round 5, #152
    W. Clapp C/G LSU. Competition with Boehm. Kid can play G and Center. AZ will need a future Center soon and a replacement for Iupati after 2018.

    Round 6, #182
    D. Ejiofor DE Wake Forest. Depth at DE and special teams. Replaces K. Martin.

    This mock hits most of the needs of AZ. I believe SK will sign 1-2 free agent WR’s still prior to the draft.

  29. By John S. on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    “Could” resign…. not a warm fuzzy here? They better have some plans to do so with a number of players.
    The whole we are just going to “re-tool” a few spots of need, and not a “re-build” ahead speech we were given is looking an awful lot like just silly propaganda now, and not sure I like the feeling of that myself… much prefer straight talk coach.

  30. By JCH on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    Coach K-
    I want Baker Mayfield on Cardinals sooo bad now i saw that vid hahahahah!!!!!
    #Cardinals4Mayfield or #MakeCardinalsGreatAgain Yeah i want cardinals to get Mayfield.

  31. By Scott H on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    Branch can play, no doubt about it, and he WOULD be great to have based on what he is capable of. BUT…

    Look, he’s been here for two seasons and barely played. He’s been here for two seasons and been put on IR THREE times! So….

    What are people really expecting to get out of him??

    Just saying, if the past is the best indicator of the future, then where are we going with Branch?

    Having Boone around would be nice….he is solid and dependable.

    Watford…..good lord, remember how thrilled we were last year when we brought EARL WATFORD back?? EARL WATFORD! What does that tell ya about how bad it was for this team with the O-line last year?? Is he a solid depth guy? Sure. No problems with keeping him around. But when your O-line is so bad that EARL WATFORD is a welcome addition…..well, you fill in the blank any way you wish.

    I might fill in the blank by asking why hasn’t the GM done a better job of DRAFTING O-lineman? Or anyone else for that matter when it comes to the first round……

  32. By Coach K on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    D

    Solid picks, but where are the receivers?

    We need to draft at least two receivers in this draft.

    JCH

    You crack me up with #MakeCardinalsGreatAgain. LOL Too funny.

  33. By mal on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    Darren~

    I believe you were on the cheerleader selection committee a couple years ago.

    Do you know if Andrea is going to come back again this year?

  34. By Darren Urban on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    Mal —

    RE: Cheer

    I am no longer doing that but I believe she is retiring.

  35. By Scott H on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    I really can’t believe we are still talking about / waiting for Troy Niklas. I really thought / hoped last off-season would be the end of that. How many years has he been here now?? And what have we gotten from him during that time?? How much has he actually played??

    Then again, he is a TE…..and to be fair, we haven’t gotten much out of any TE that has played here in recent years. Or, should I say decades??

    Recently, someone said that we have our TE’s to help compensate for the losses of Smoky and Jaron at WR and I thought that was about the most ridiculous thing anyone could have said about that. Our TE’s???? Seriously??? Our TE’s are used for blocking, little else. They are not / have not been utilized as weapons in the offense. Oh, but suddenly, they are going to emerge and start catching a bunch of passes? I seriously doubt it.

    But it sure as hell would be nice. Because right now, this roster has ONE player on it who we know we can count on to catch some passes and make some plays. ONE. We know Larry is good for his usual 100 catches and 1000 yards. Right now, those numbers would probably eclipse what the rest of our WR’s would do combined. COMBINED. We’ve seen it before and we might very well see it again.

    But Troy Niklas? We’re STILL waiting for him, after all these years? C’mon, folks. The next remotely productive season he has for this team will be his first. It is time to move on.

    Then again….maybe not. Seems like the TE’s we have now are pretty much the same TE’s we had last year, so…..another year of doing the same thing with the same players and expecting a different result?

  36. By Larso on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    I hope Tyvon Branch comes back, he was a quality guy

    8/8 with half the Rooster down, the new Cardinal offense will release the ball faster and Dj is back.
    Imho the Cardinals will be Better than 7/9 and the Niners are the Team to beat

  37. By Coach K on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    Something to think about

    With all the NFL teams focused on the passing game, why not build a bad ass running football team. Load up on top talent in the offensive line so we are two deep at every position. Then bring in another big running back to pair with David and let’s establish a strong running attack.

    Add an extra explosive receiver and let Bradford take his shots when the defense loads up in the box. There is no better way to protect Bradford than have an unstoppable running game.

    A complete opposite strategy than BA had just might be the ticket for us to compete in our division. A great offensive line with two dynamic backs and one extra receiver to pair with Fitz and lets see what we can do.

    This could be achieved this draft if SK focuses on O-line in round one and three, takes an explosive receiver in round two, maybe take the QB Lauletta with the second round three pick, and fill out the remaining picks with best available players.

  38. By dkerry5242 on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    Word is Gronk could be traded. No better tight end in the game. Time to get the best of the best.

  39. By Big Ken on Mar 29, 2018 | Reply

    I think Mason Rudolph is one of those ‘system’ QB’s. Not going to be successful in the pros.

  40. By mitchaz on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    Cardinals’ 2018 Draft: Steeds and Mavericks at #15

    One of the most fascinating aspects of the NFL Draft especially in the modern era of the NFL is whether teams opt for more conventional type players early in the draft or whether teams are willing to pass on a steed in order to draft a maverick.

    Typically the steed is the safer choice—you pretty much know what you are going to get. However, a maverick brings a special wild card “it” factor that can add a different dimension to the football team.

    In looking at the potential steeds and mavericks who could be available for the Arizona Cardinals at pick #15, some very interesting choices appear imminent.

    At QB: Steed: Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma St. Maverick: Lamar Jackson, Louisville. Rudolph is a proto-typical pocket passer, who led all of Division I-A FBS schools with completions of over 25 yards (over 10% of his dropbacks resulted in 25+ yard gains). Jackson, on the other hand, passed for over 9,000 yards at Louisville and ran for over 4,000 yards. His electrifying running ability poses anguishing dilemmas for defensive coordinators.

    AT RB: Steed: Derrius Guice, LSU. Maverick: Sony Michel, Georgia. Guice brings an impressive combination of power, balance and burst, while Michel possesses rare elusiveness, soft hands and blocking ability.

    At WR: Steed: Calvin Ridley, Alabama. Maverick: D.J. Moore, Maryland. Ridley plays so smoothly and effortlessly it’s almost as if he’s playing in a tuxedo. Moore, on the other hand, plays in oily overalls and a hard hat, and turns quick passes into rodeo rides.

    At Interior OL: Steed: Will Hernandez, UTEP. Maverick: James Daniels, Iowa. Hernandez is a classic mauler at 6-3, 340 who can dominate at the line of scrimmage, but can struggle to hit moving targets in open space. Daniels is the epitome of the modern era athletically gifted center, who has such extraordinary reach techniques and quickness that he can get to the 5 technique DLs from the pivot.

    At T: Steed: Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame. Maverick: Connor Williams, Texas. McGlinchey is a road grader who opens wide lanes for RB with punishing drive blocks. Williams is a nimble and supremely balanced pass protector who consistently steers edge rushers wide of the pocket.

    At DT: Steed: Vita Vae, Washington. Maverick: Taven Bryan, Florida. Vae is the quintessential run stopper and ILB’s dream come true who at times can be a one man wrecking crew in the middle. Bryan launches off the ball with outstanding explosion to disrupt running plays before the can develop and to apply immediate inside pressure on QBs.

    At DE: Steed: Sam Hubbard, Ohio St. Maverick: Harold Landry, Boston College. Hubbard is disciplined, stout versus the run and bull strong in his pass rush. Landry is an edge bender deluxe who can turn the corner to the QB like he’s on skates.

    At LB: Steed: Rashaan Evans, Alabama. Maverick: Leighton Vander Esch, Boise St. Evans is a punishing inside the box tackler and blitzer, while Vander Esch is a lean, athletic playmaker who equally excels versus the run and pass.

    At CB: Steed: Carlton Davis, Auburn. Maverick: Jaire Alexander, Louisville. Davis is a physical, imposing cover man and run supporter, while Alexander is ultra quick ballhawk who can flip his hips and shadow with ease.

    At S: Steed: Ronnie Harrison, Alabama. Maverick: Derwin James, Florida St. Harrison is a smart, instinctive and highly disciplined run forcer and cover man, while James is an alpha dog who is constantly on the prowl wherever the ball will take him.

    In each or some of these cases—which players tilt the scales for you? For me…I favor many of the mavericks, especially Lamar Jackson.

    Man, I would love it if the Cardinals wound up with 2 of these players. Not too many of them will be on the board at #47? But, who knows? Maybe one or two?

    Note: I purposely left out the following players because I do not believe they will be available at #15:

    QBs: Sam Darnold (steed), Josh Allen (maverick), Josh Rosen (steed), Baker Mayfield (maverick),; RB Saquon Barkley (steed); DE Bradley Chubb (steed), G Quinton Nelson (steed), CB Minkah Fitzpatrick (maverick), LB Tremiane Edwards (maverick), LB Roquan Smith (maverick); CB Denzel Ward (steed), DT Da’Ron Payne (steed).

  41. By Big Ken on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    @ Mitchaz I like your Carlton Davis with the second round pick (47th). Some good CB’s this year.

  42. By D on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    Male cheerleaders in the NFL?
    Getting more difficult with all of the distractions every year…

  43. By mitchaz on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    Big Ken—

    I think Carlton Davis fits Steve Wilks’ CB proto-type to a tee. Good call, my friend.

  44. By Dr. G. on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    Lamar Jackson?? Whaaaat? Seriously… Shades of Logan Thomas…at least he is big enough to be a TE. Too many issues with Jackson…why not run the 40? Injured somehow? Why not an agent? Accuracy? Maybe 4th round speculation at best. Lots of questions…no more dice rolls… A good jock does not mean a good passer. We need more answers…

    MOVE UP AND GET A LEGIT PROSPECT AT QB! Been there, done that…

  45. By Patrick on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    The college game has male cheerleaders that are not a distraction, unless of course you are watching the male cheerleaders rather than the game (not that there is anything wrong with that.)

  46. By JCH on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    This OL guy seemed impresive in pro day scouting.
    Jordan Mailata
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000923837/article/massive-rugby-player-jordan-mailata-impresses-scouts-at-pro-day

  47. By Coach K on Mar 30, 2018 | Reply

    Have you listened to the Lamar Jackson interviews

    Does anyone understand what this guy is saying. After his pro day, I could not understand a few words he was saying. Is it because of his braces, or is he speaking with some kind of southern accent?

    How is this guy going to yell out the plays in the huddle when you cannot
    understand what he is saying. NFL play calling is quite elaborate and detailed
    and I wonder if Lamar is going to have trouble verbalizing the play call.

  48. By JCH on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    Coach K-
    The thing I do like about Lamar Jackson is that Lamar is a football head strong person and he has a passion to be the best.

    I am worried about Baker Mayfield because he “may” go off the deep end like Manziel. I think he wants to be the best also at the same time I think he could “potentially” fizzle his way out of the NFL. He seems like a party man like Manziel but I am just assuming. I have good and bad vibes about Mayfield.

    Whoever the Cardinals pick up in the Draft better be “GREAT” because we need to “Make The Cardinals Great Again”!

    #MakeTheCardinalsGreatAgain Fully and 100% approved by me JCH haha!

  49. By Eric G on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    Sign Marquette King please. That is all.

  50. By LA on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    Why is that when worrying about WR that it is forgotten that DJ had 878 yds. receiving in 2016. He was 2nd behind Fitz.

  51. By forbessh on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    Coach K

    RE:ability to understand Lamar Jackson, how do you think he won the Heisman and became runner up the following year? How do you think he won all those games in the air and on the ground?

    It depends if you want a great orator who is an average QB or a great future QB who is not famous for his elocution.

    Try this for other interview who he is speaking live on TV to Bucky Brooks et al (hope you hear him better here):

  52. By Big Ken on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    If the Big Four are gone by the time the Cardinals pick at the 15th then I’m all in on drafting Lamar Jackson. Many mock drafts have Josh Allen sliding to the Cardinals at the 15th pick. I don’t see it happening.

  53. By Scott H on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    As always, I don’t really know these college players.

    But this Lamar Jackson and his score of 13 on the Wonderlic test scare the hell out of me. 13??? Got news for ya – that is NOT a person who is well suited to play QB in the NFL. Period. It’s just not. Take a look at other QB’s that have scored that low / in that range and get back to me.

    High Wonderlic scores do not always mean success for a QB in the NFL. But LOW ones are pretty much always an indicator of someone who is not going to fare well. And it bothers me that his name is now being commonly linked with the Cardinals.

    13????

    That is a good number for a jersey. Looked great on Kurt Warner. It is NOT a good score on the Wonderlic test.

    Ah, Kurt Warner……I REALLY miss Kurt Warner.

    Heck, I already miss Drew Stanton.

  54. By faster on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    @patrick, and the no trade clause of bradford. your answer is wrong:

    ” …Sam Bradford has a no trade clause because from his perspective he was able to have input on which team he played for when selecting a team in free agency. The no trade clause allows him to have input if he loses the starting job and the Cardinals want to trade him. …”

    why wrong? the last starting qb place in the nfl was the cards place, and if the cards would have declined, bradford would have to wait until some starting qb and his backup was injured, or have input where he plays as a backup.

    simple answer, the no trade clause is a clear “we are rebuilding” sign and some very, very high risk game of keim.

    positive, isn`t it?

  55. By CARDS62 on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    Coach K thanks for the video. What I notice the most is how many times Lamar said yes sir over and over and over. Seemed a little excited to me and talking a little quick, but I have to tell you after watching this interview I want him more and more. He has been my pick for us at # 15 for over a month and now I want him even more.

    MitchAZ – Hubbard OSU was a safety in high school, Tyquan Lewis for OSU is the steed and Hubbard is the maverick. Joey Bosa, Nick’s younger brother of the Chargers, is by far the best of the bunch. Joey will be in next years draft.
    I will be very happy if any of these 3 are wearing a Cardinals jersey, Hubbard has a lot of potential, but he is a risk. Very well coached by Johnson at OSU.

    MitchAZ I really want Billy Price, OSU to be a Cardinal. He broke the record for games played at OSU so you know he is durable, but tore his peck muscle at the combine on the bench press. Where do you see him going in the draft now. He also won the Remington Award for Best College Center and 2017 was the first year he played Center as he was a guard his first 3 years.

    Joe Hoist how can you say that this is 100% rebuilding year when you go out and pay Sam Bradford 15 to 20 million dollars? Depending on our O line this can definitely turn out to be a rebuilding year, but the Cardinals are not thinking that way or they would have kept Gabbert or Stanton brought in Glennon I think he gets 4 million and not even interview Bradford.

    Lamar Jackson is a Cardinal today and I am hoping he is a Cardinal next year. GO Cards!

  56. By Dr. G. on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    CoachK… For your honest observation, don’t be surprised if you’re wrongly accused of something nefarious.

    Literary skill at the pro level for a QB is at a premium, especially when we would like to see teammates follow by example. I feel pain for this young man’s stumbling incomplete speaking style. Many educators debate the focus on athletics to the detriment of classroom calisthenics. We could have both!

    Jackson is a good athlete, but refused to put it on display as his mother declined. They are fearful that he may be touted as one of the best WRs or a CB we’ve seen recently. No good agent would give this advice. I’m a QB…that’s my “”thing.””

    Bottom line – Nope. We need to move up and//or pray to keep Bradford healthy. Be well Cards Fans…

  57. By Coach K on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    forbessh

    Well he sounds more calm and much clearer in this interview. I just thought after his pro day, I had a hard time understanding him. There is no question about his talent. I doubt the Cardinals are going to adjust their offense to RPO. If they did agree to run an RPO style offense, then Jackson would be fantastic.

    The question is, will our OC adjust the offensive for Jackson? If so, Great. Draft him.

    We could move down to #20 and get an extra pick and still get Jackson.

  58. By Coach K on Mar 31, 2018 | Reply

    JCH

    I would continue to draft the best available player and at #15, there are several rated much higher than Jackson.

    If coaches like Jackson, they should move down in this draft and get an extra 3rd round pick and take him. Maybe down to pick #20 thru 23. Maybe someone gives us an extra round 2 pick. Then it makes sense.

    If not, then we take the big tackle from Notre Dame and he is the starter at right tackle. In round two we find the best receiver, and with two picks in round three, we land our Quarterback and Cornerback.

    With Veldheer gone, Offensive Tackle becomes a priority. And with only three receivers on the roster so far, Receiver is another huge priority in round two and another one perhaps in round four or five. I’d take Christian Kirk or Courtland Sutton in round two, and perhaps Tre Quan Smith in round four.

  59. By Scott H on Apr 1, 2018 | Reply

    Coach K –

    RE: Jackson

    Again in regard to his Wonderlic score of 13….from what I understand of that test, a score of 10 basically equates to borderline illiteracy. Jackson is barely above that.

    Is this test the end-all / be-all? OK, maybe not. But it is used by many companies in the hiring process to measure a person’s aptitude for learning and problem-solving. It is used by NFL teams – in the “hiring” process for a QB – to measure the same things.

    Do NFL QB’s need to be able to learn and problem-solve to do what they do? They absolutely do. And his score is telling us he is deficient in those areas.

  60. By clssylssy on Apr 1, 2018 | Reply

    Scott…
    As a psychologist, I am surprised that you would give the Wonderlic so much weight in determining an athlete’s ability to succeed in the NFL. Some people don’t test well and perhaps Jackson is dyslexic? As you know dyslexia has many forms and often goes undiagnosed. Many people in underserved areas go undiagnosed and have found ways to get by academically, and become successful in life. And, some of the most successful people in history have had a form of dyslexia. As you pointed out, these tests are merely tools to be used together to assess players strengths and weaknesses. Yes, Jackson’s Wonderlic score may be an indicator than he might have difficulty processing written material (such as learning the playbook) but he is also a gifted athlete, and perhaps deserves a closer look I have to wonder how many HOFers would have had low Wonderlic scores and would have been considered “borderline illiterate”. Also, employers are not allowed to use these sorts of tests to deny applicants employment under The American with Disabilities Act, but are required to make certain adjustments that will allow the employee to perform the job. (Of course we all know that many employers find other excuses to get around this.)
    I am more concerned with the negative actions and behaviors of Baker Mayfield on and off the field and am a little surprised that you wouldn’t be too. Additionally, Mayfield is coming from a spread offense and had a solid cast of supporting players around him (that made him look better than he is?). And, while the party line is that Mike McCoy will adapt to his players (QB), he has typically run a West Coast offense, and our offense hasn’t the manpower to do either at this point successfully with 1 WR, and maybe 2 RB, only five draft picks (Keim will have to hit on all five) and little money. And, I’m not saying Mayfield can’t make it in the NFL, just that I don’t think he is a good fit for the Cardinals, who have a new coaching staff, no real core of Veteran mentor/ leaders or the necessary roster weapons. However, I do think possibly the signing of Sam Bradford may be a good indicator that Keim is going after Mayfield (both OSU products) and since Mayfield has said he’s not signing some place to play behind a starter…well, that almost seems made to order and here we go again!

  61. By Coach K on Apr 1, 2018 | Reply

    Scott

    The Wonderlic test is alarming, but I am not familiar with the questions on it.

    Not sure if there is a cultural bias or not. But it is something I’m sure teams are concerned with.

    I just don’t know?

    For me, I am stuck on best available player philosophy. If possible, trade down and get more picks. We need more players.

  62. By Scott H on Apr 1, 2018 | Reply

    clssy –

    I think you are taking this to a place i was not. I’m not interested in getting into the whole “under-served populations” thing. As to how that plays into the Wonderlic test and how players perform when taking it…..I don’t know.

    But don’t make this about what I think. The test is used by NFL teams for a reason. THEY know why they’re using it and they know what they’re looking for. I believe THEY also take the time to meet with players and / or work them out and the decisions THEY make are based on a combination of all of those experiences.

    And for what it’s worth, did ya know that Jeff George scored a 10 on the Wonderlic test? I don’t think he was from an under-served population but I do know he was a lousy NFL QB.

    Again, don’t make this about what I think. Look into the Wonderlic test, what it measures, what the scores mean, and some history of how different players have scored.

  63. By JCH on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    Nothing new around the NFL…….. Just so boring HAHA!
    Litrally nothing new is on here or on NFL.com really. No one has been signed or there has been no new mock drafts.

    DARREN MAKE A MOCK DRAFT SO I CAN READ SOMETHING NEW HAHA!!
    Yeah you don’t have to Darren just boring around the NFL……!

  64. By lloyd wolf on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    MitchAz….As usual a top notch bit of prose….i am going to steal a quote..sic…anguishing dilemma…….for OFFENSIVE coordinators! Lamar is just not my cup of tea….your steed pick, if they must at 15 makes sense…even more sense in the second round….Team now has to pay the piper for ignoring the OL with unsatisfactory results through the draft and obviously over the years highly questionable coaching. I am seriously afraid Ray Brown is a zone blocking guy…also not my favorite.

    Carry On

  65. By Coach K on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    JCH

    I’ll give you a mock draft to help with you being bored. My Best Available Athlete mock.

    1. Mike McGlinchy, OT, Notre Dame (Instant starter at right tackle)
    2. Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M (Instant starter opposite Fitz)
    3. Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond (Accuracy over arm strength. System QB)
    3. Duke Dawson, CB, Florida (Blazing speed- gamer)
    4. B.J. Hill, DT, NC State (Plug and play in our new 4-3 defense)
    5. P.J. Hall, DT, Sam Houston St. (A steal if he lasts this long)
    6. TreQuan Smith, WR, UCF (Good size with soft hands)
    7. Taylor Hearn, OG, Clemson (Mauler in the run game)

    If one of the top four QB’s fall to #15, then of course we take him an go O-Tackle in round two, and take two receivers in round three.

  66. By creditcard on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    I agree with Scott H about the wonderlic test with Jackson. I also believe Mayfield is Johnny Manzel II. I am in hopes the Cards do a couple things in regards to the 1st round of the draft:
    1. Keep their impulses to themselves,and thoughts as close to their vest as possible.
    2. Don’t draft Jackson, Mayfield,or the OK St QB.
    3. Trade down — even into the 2nd round to get additional picks
    4. Get the QB from Richmond, Kyle Lauletta. In bottom of round 2 or top of rd 3.
    Kyle Lauletta is 6’3″ 217 lbs, 65% completion rate, and 3:1 TD to Int ratio, did not play in a spread offense,and have super-stars around him. My opinion, he is the best in the draft. Period.

  67. By Scott H on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    Just for the fun of it, a history of recent Cards QB’s and their Wonderlic scores, in descending order…

    Bradford 36
    Leinart 35
    Lindley 35
    Stanton35
    Barkley 30
    Thomas 29
    Warner 29
    Kolb 28
    Palmer 26
    Skelton 24
    Anderson 19

    And some other scores that might make ya wonder….

    Terry Bradshaw 16
    Dan Marino 16
    McNabb 14
    Jeff George 10
    Vince Young 6 ( believed to be the lowest score ever for an NFL QB )

  68. By Scott H on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    The highest Wonderlic scores I saw were

    Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
    Blaine Gabbert 42 ( I forgot him on list above )
    Drew Henson 42
    Alex Smith 40
    Eli Manning 39
    Matt Stafford 38
    Colin Kaepernick 38
    Josh Allen 37
    Tony Romo 37
    Andrew Luck 37

    That’s enough. But if ya google this list, it’s pretty fascinating. It covers ALL positions.

  69. By D on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    I just don’t see AZ giving up so much draft picks to move into the top 5 for one of these QBs. They have numerous holes/positions that need multiple draft picks, if any move is made, it will be down.
    needs: QB, OL, CB, TE, WR, S

    I keep hearing they like 7 QB’s this year, to me that means they would draft Jackson or Rudolph and be content staying at 15 or moving down 1-5 spots if possible. It will all depend on who else is on the board at 15.

    #15…Jackson/Rudolph vs V. Vita DT or M. McGlinchey OT or H. Landry DE or C. Kirk WR???????????

  70. By Aaron Allery on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    The Cardinals should start stockpiling first round draft picks for the 2020 QB class and set themselves up to draft Tua Tagovailoa from Alabama.

    In this draft they could trade down to late 1st round and pick up maybe a 2nd or 3rd. Look at Anthony Miller (WR-Memphis) as a future NFL slot starter like Antonio Brown who has great work ethic. Look at PFF grade on Maurice Hurst (MI-Interior D Line), best ever. I used to really tout Kerryon Johnson (RB-Auburn) but after watching some tape I feel like he has a little less burst than thought before and tons less than David Johnson.

    There are players out there to grab while saving for the future…because it is obvious we haven’t planned for it so far. Lay the foundation with great players and bring in a rookie QB (2020)to a strong team with a strong O-line.

  71. By Scott H on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    D –

    NOT disagreeing with anything you said. But, geez…..seems like to be in position to get one of top QB prospects, you have to be in the top 5 picks or so. Yea? So…..you either gotta trade to get up that high or you gotta be bad enough to get there naturally. Lousy choice, huh?

    But what seems clear is that when you finish 8-8 and end up in the middle of the draft order, you are stuck in no man’s land as far as getting one of the top QB’s goes. I mean….we saw the Chiefs make a move to dive in front of us last year to get Mahomes – who MANY people I DO trust believed wasn’t even a first round-caliber QB. Was that a panic move on their part? Only time will tell, but….could very well be.

    So…..trade up and pay the price or pay the price by being bad enough to get into the top 5 in the draft? We might have to go one way or the other one of these years.

    That’s why an 8-8 record really gets you nowhere if ya think about it. It’s not getting you into the playoffs ( or, it shouldn’t )…..and it puts you right where the Cardinals are in the draft – NOT where you want to be when you need a QB and the ones you would want are going to be long gone before it’s your turn.

    For that reason, I would not be opposed if they target another position at #15 like O-line or D-line. BUT then ya gotta HIT the target and this GM doesn’t have the best track record of doing that.

    Yes, I was being polite there.

  72. By clssylssy on Apr 2, 2018 | Reply

    Scott and others…
    I think you misinterpreted what I was saying about the Wonderlic, and missed my point. Yes, I am very familiar with the Wonderlic, as well as other similar tests and their use in organizational/industrial psychology. They are meant to be used as a tools in combination with other assessment means to help determine appropriate placement for training and optimal fit in the workplace. They are not meant to be the end all, be all guarantee for a successful hire or as an IQ test. As with other tests of this nature, a lot of the test’s validity lies with the person interpreting the results in context and forming a conclusion based on all the facts. In most settings this information would be considered confidential, which I believe it should be, as it can be misinterpreted and damaging when viewed improperly.
    As you have pointed out Wonderlic scores vary widely and are no guarantee of success in the NFL. You pointed out some players with high scores who we are familiar with but it is also interesting to note the following:
    Morris Claiborne -4 (lowest ever score, 6th overall draft pick, numerous SEC
    honors, currently playing for the Jets
    Frank Gore 6 (Future HOFer, 13years in NFL, 5th all time in rushing
    yards/RB)
    Tavon Austin 7 (1st Rd pick/Rams, 2018 restructured contract)
    Carlos Hyde 9 (2nd Rd pick/49ers.2014, now RB for the Browns)

    While others like:
    Colin Kaepernick 37 (Cuirrently unemployed and working as philanthropist)
    Blaine Gabbert 42 (Backup QB for the Titans,4th team since being drafted)
    Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 (7th round pick, 2017, now on 2nd team in 2 years)
    Ben Watson 48 (32nd overall Patriots, now TE for Saints)

    So, a Wonderlic score of 13, damning? Perhaps, I suppose it would depend on how it’s used or misused. Not stellar but maybe not that telling either. Certainly Jackson’s athleticism and natural football IQ would likely make up for other areas of weakness.
    And, it’s not uncommon for many high functioning individuals to have difficulty taking tests for a variety of reasons, so I was merely saying that we, as fans, don’t have all the facts, that there can be other contributors that as fans don’t know, and are probably not qualified to make any kind of judgements based on what we’ve been fed by the media There are many NFL players who have gone on record as being dyslexic or ADHD and have successful careers.
    https://www.understood.org/en/community-events/blogs/in-the-news/2015/01/28/super-bowl-stars-show-how-common-learning-and-attention-issues-are

  73. By Dan Nicholson on Apr 3, 2018 | Reply

    As for tight ends I had posted 2 weeks ago Mercedes Lewis is available. Wants to play out west he says. Can certainly block& catch and does not miss games

    Those looking for WR’S in draft I hope they get 2 ,and other than the top rated their is an under the radar wr from Bowling Green, Redding who is 6’3″ with a good catch radius ,4.3- 4.4 40 time. Word is the team that gets him is getting a steal in this years draft.

  74. By Scott H on Apr 3, 2018 | Reply

    clssy –

    I think you may have also not quite understood my comments because you seem to agree with some of them. I DID say that I’m sure that many other factors weigh into the decisions that NFL teams make in regard who they choose to / not to draft.

    No, the Wonderlic is NOT the end-all, be-all. I said that as well.

    Yes, there are always going to be individuals that perform above and beyond what their scores project them to be. I get that as well. I’m living proof of that concept, so have ALWAYS been very aware of it. My SAT scores would have told you that I was likely to be an average or below-average college student. Yet, I excelled in college, got better grades than I ever did in high school, made the academic Dean’s List during my junior and senior year’s.

    BUT – regardless of how I feel about them – SAT scores are still used by colleges everywhere to evaluate prospective students. Because they are recognized as having established validity for that purpose. That is the world we live in right now. Not my rules, but….I recognize that the world follows them.

    And I think you need to be careful about comparing other position players ( as you did with Claiborne, Gore, Austin, Hyde ) to QB’s. I think that is apples to oranges here. The QB position in the NFL is recognized as maybe THE most difficult position to play in all of pro sports. It requires a certain amount of cerebral capability. There is no getting around that. I’m NOT saying that QB’s need to be smart but all other positions can be played by apes and gorillas. But I think it IS fair and reasonable to say that playing QB in the NFL requires more cerebral capability than playing RB or on the O-line.

    So I don’t think it works to compare RB’s to QB’s where the Wonderlic is concerned.

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