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A potential No. 2 cornerback in trade

Posted by Darren Urban on May 18, 2018 – 2:35 pm

It sounds like there will be no Bashaud Breeland signing. But there would be a good reason for that — multiple reports Friday have the Cardinals closing in on a trade for veteran Browns cornerback Jamar Taylor. Taylor is a one-time second-round pick of the Dolphins in 2013, and the cost in the trade — again, by multiple outlets — is a sixth-round pick not next year, but in 2020. In structure, it looks a lot like the deal the Cards made in 2016 for cornerback Marcus Cooper (who was acquired for a seventh-round pick in 2018.)

If the Cards were to get Taylor, having him pan out like Cooper would be a plus. Cooper had a solid season across from Patrick Peterson in 2016. Taylor would presumably be the eventual starter across from Peterson, although I would guess coach Steve Wilks would likely — as he does with all spots — announce that the competition is ongoing. There are other veteran options already on the roster. But Taylor, who has three career interceptions (all coming in 2016), would be a welcome addition to the mix.

UPDATE: It’s official now.


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40 Responses to “A potential No. 2 cornerback in trade”

  1. By Big Ken on May 18, 2018 | Reply

    Looks like an up and comer. I know it’s not over whelming but worth a sixth round flier ( in 2020?).

  2. By Rory on May 18, 2018 | Reply

    Nice to see us continuing to make moves to address the no. 2 CB spot 🙂

  3. By KB of CG on May 18, 2018 | Reply

    More competition to see whos gonna start oppposite PP, i Love it :)…and although i may be alone, i have confidence in our CB group as it stands and this definitely helps bolster it…

  4. By Eric G on May 18, 2018 | Reply

    Seriously, what’s changed with Keim? The guy got his deal restructured while still with Cleveland so he could be traded and all we gave up was a sixth round pick? Are you kidding me? Welcome aboard Taylor. Have to believe that Wilks wanted him.

  5. By CARDS62 on May 18, 2018 | Reply

    I do see it as a very good sign that they realize the problem and are trying to address it before the season starts. Taylor will be a nice addition, but we need one more CB hopefully better than Taylor.

    I believe DT Jonathon Hankins is still available. Hope we will go after him if the price is right.

    Go Cards!

  6. By El Gallo on May 18, 2018 | Reply

    – J. Taylor

    It’s a good pick-up if the trade goes through.
    Also with the trade being a 6th RDer in 2020, nice!

    He had no INTs in 2017 but he did have 10 Pass Break-Ups.
    Played in 15 games, 2017.
    •27yrs old, 5’11”, 192lbs
    •6th career year out of Boise State.

    You can see why he was taken in the 2nd RD by Miami.
    Combine results 2013:
    •40 YD: 4.39
    •Bench: 22
    •Vertical: 35.0
    •Broad Jump: 127.0

    Interesting fact:
    He was also a track athlete while at Boise State.

    This not only gives the DB group great competition but it should make the CB2 position better.
    Should inspire confidence knowing that issue has been addressed for now.
    Will be interesting to see who starts at CB2 this season..

    Next up..
    TE, S, and DL depth..

  7. By Don on May 18, 2018 | Reply

    A 6th round pick in 2 years is a fair deal but this guy doesn’t seem to be #2 material to me, guess we will see.

  8. By Coach K on May 18, 2018 | Reply

    He was a starting CB in the league.

    That alone makes him easily worth a 6th round pick on trade.

    He’s still young and exactly what we needed.

    We can get our next great corner and Defensive tackle next draft.

  9. By StevenZ on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    Taylor had three picks in 2016. If he can duplicate that with the Cardinals every year, I’ll take that for a 6th round pick. He’s a former starter who has produced, and we’re not overpaying…what’s not to like? Willks and Keim KNOW what their doing!!! I can’t wait for the start of the season!

  10. By faster on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    jamal taylor? first look at his injury report (as keim is prone to get only healthy players(asterixs)) and he was injured, in miami, but the last two years are looking good, especially the full 2017 season.
    his stats too, and a sixth pick is a steal.
    a a- if he stays healthy, and a nice addition for our defense.

    and now the oline, i`m waiting for at least a player, who can play on a high level at right and left tackle (and can stay healthy), to add deepth to our line.

  11. By joe holst on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    cooper was traded for a 7th not 6th

  12. By Darren Urban on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    Joe —

    RE: Cooper

    Good call. Fixed.

  13. By clssylssy on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    We should keep in mind that this defense is going to be different from the one we had and that Wilks likes putting his faith in his front seven with less emphasis on the secondary, so I will take a wait and see attitude about this signing. With the majority of contender teams building up their secondaries and signing “Swiss army knife” type safeties like the one we let go, I am a little skeptical that we will be able to keep up with the new wave of really strong teams. The fact that the Browns let this guy go as they revamp their team with upgrades, doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence that this will be the answer to our Corner problem, maybe a good camp body or place holder.

  14. By JTDG on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    Taylor,

    3rd team going into his 6th year. When you think about how the league has evolved into a passing league and teams are searching for not just two good cbs but three, you have to wonder why a 2nd round pick with 4.39 speed can’t stick.

    But hey, the cards have nothing at CB2 right now, so….. he is better than nothing.

  15. By Joe C. on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    You know you really can’t have the number one and number two corner in the league on the same team. Not and pay both anyway. So we have the number one and it looks like a solid starter. Unless we get a rookie or a surprise performer this is what we were going to get all along.

  16. By El Gallo on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    – J. Taylor cont.

    As I look further into Taylor’s past seasons, I see positives.
    Each time he’s been involved in a trade transaction, it’s been for fair market value as per his stats/production and age.

    When arriving to Cleveland in 2016 he beat out a group of compromised of
    •Tramon Williams, next years (2017 Cardinals) starter across PP.
    •Justin Gilbert, former #1 pick of Browns, who seemed to not materialize.
    •Slew of depth players.

    (2016) Starting across from All Pro Joe Haden, Taylor had his best year.
    •3 INTs
    •13 Pass Break-Ups
    •57 combined tackles (46 solo)

    (2017) With no All Pro across from him, he still managed to be solid.
    •10 Pass Break-Ups
    •62 tackles

    If his skill-set pushes him up the depth chart this season all the way to CB2, it’s reasonable to say he could have a similar outcome as in 2016.
    There’s no question he will see the ball thrown to his area of operation playing across another All Pro in PP.
    Those are all opportunities for him to capitalize in.

    Regardless of who’s there at the position, it’s good to know Wilks has a keen interest in the CB position.

    It’s even better to know SK is doing what he can now before the season begins. Addressing the issue, having CB2 suitors learn the system-schemes now vs in season.
    Helping to avoid early season losses in close contests that came down to late game winning TDs.

    This to me does inspire confidence.

  17. By Eric G on May 19, 2018 | Reply

    JTDG,

    I don’t think anyone here thinks he’s a long-term solution at number two, from what I’ve seen he is definitely not, but he will be an upgrade from what we currently have. Hopefully Wilks can work with him and improve his game. Look on YouTube at his highlights against San Diego and you’ll see he’s not the greatest cornerback. He has a lot to improve. Still think the long-term solution is in next year’s draft at first or second round. But, for now, a six round pick in 2 years is 100% worth this trade. Definitely better than Bethel ever tried to be as a cornerback.

  18. By Cardinalchris on May 20, 2018 | Reply

    Per PFF, his opponent’s QB rating last year was 113. Unless there was some undisclosed injury he played with, it doesn’t sound like this guy will be even close to the answer at CB2.

  19. By Michael D Wellman on May 20, 2018 | Reply

    You play like the Team you are on.

    I’d bet Mr. Taylor is as Happy as a Clam at High Tide.
    He Is on a Team that does Win games, not just One.

    Good all around deal so far.

    GO CARDS!!!

  20. By Scott H on May 20, 2018 | Reply

    Looking at the overall, with the other players we acquired during the off-season, I see a notable improvement from last off-season simply because we appear to have some decent competition for the CB2 position. That alone is a welcome change from last off-season, when CB2 was a glaring weakness and the F/O did basically nothing to create MUCH-Needed competition for Justin Bethel. They ended up finding dumb luck with Tramon Williams ( who totally saved our collective ass when Bethel failed ).

    The CB they brought in from Dallas ( whose name I can say but can’t spell ) and Taylor alone seem to provide the competition that we never had last year. So….I gotta consider us as better off from day one. And for a 6th round pick in 2020….well, there is really no down-side here, is there??

    How it goes from here…..who knows, but I like that the CB position has finally been paid some attention to. Onward.

  21. By JTDG on May 20, 2018 | Reply

    Joe C,

    So the rams don’t have Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters (two pro bowlers)

    The Jags don’t have Jalen Ramsey and AJ Bouye, you know, both 2017 pro bowl CBs?

    The Chargers have Jason Verrett and Casey Hayward, both pro bowlers.

    The Patriots had Stephan Gilmore and Malcolm Butler last year.

    So, why can’t you have two top CBs?

    The cards could have had the best duo if they just drafted either Marshon Lattimore (by trading up a couple spots) or just drafting TreVarious White at 13.
    Both were outstanding in 2017.

    Saying we can’t have a great duo is just an excuse covering up for Keim.

  22. By JTDG on May 20, 2018 | Reply

    Eric G,

    I agree Taylor is better than anything we have and is an upgrade over Bethel.

    I’m more questioning a guy who has been on 3 teams going on his 6th year , while being a 2013 2nd round pick.

    Why? Is he an issue in the locker room? Does he not play with effort? Or, even though he has the tools, he hasn’t lived up to his draft status?

    I’m not sure, but if he was solid, the Dolphins (who drafted him) could pair him with Xavien Howard and have one of the top pair of CBs.

    Or the Browns could have paired him with Denzel Ward to form a good duo. But instead, signed EJ Gaines and traded him.

    Money was not the issue, yet they decided to move on from him. Why? That is all I was saying.

  23. By CORMAC on May 20, 2018 | Reply

    Whooo boy, hold your horses. WTF all the way, when everyone thinks this guys is good. Pat gets 3 int average per year this guy does not even average one per year. He had 0 in four years and then 3. Not what I would call a golden ticket , that’s for sure. Pat got 7 one year. Average at best. I hope he pulls a Marcus Cooper for us and brings hell to everyone while he is here.

  24. By Johnson on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    At this point, its better than nothing which opposite PP was NOTHING, before this signing.

    The team still looks weak at Safety, still cant believe Honey Badger was let go! Scratching my head on this decision. The TE is mostly a forgotten position in AZ…and still looks inferior compared to other teams. I still think we need an experienced RB in the team opposite DJ – AP is still an option.

    The WR group still looks awfully weak if a certain Larry is taken out of the mix. Still a lot of work to be done and once Bradford goes down in either game 3-4 in Regular season – thats when the real season will begin with Rosen.

    I will happily take a 3-4 game win season and grow the team for the 2019 season – follow the 49ers model. Rams to easily win the division with 12 games next season and it worries me we will play them twice – 2 years ago I didnt give a crap and now I am worried our players will likely get injured playing that ferocious defense in Rams!

  25. By D on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    Big paycut for the new CB2 for this year. Gambling on himself to prove everyone in Clev wrong.

    Roster is looking stronger. Add depth at Safety and maybe a TE and they should be able to compete in the NFC West. The RB room is looking very strong.

    Mr. Donald, feel free to take the entire summer off in LA, plenty to do out there, beaches, amusement parks, etc etc..no need to be in shape come Sept.

  26. By Scott H on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    Folks, I think we are in big trouble when I’m actually one of the more positive outlook people weighing in.

    Where’s Patrick? Is he seeing this???

    BTW, I’m guessing Taylor will not be wearing #21 here….how ’bout #28? It would be nice to see someone with some CB skills wearing that number, wouldn’t it?

  27. By Joe C. on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    JTDG-Look at the teams you named. First, the Pats. Immediately after paying top dollar for Gilmore they were in trade talks for Butler. After one season they are letting Butler walk. Why? Because they can’t/won’t pay both. The Rams. They acquired two corners for a fairly high price. Peters-Two teams in three years? Why are you not questioning why the Chiefs gave up on him? Both head cases both cost a lot in draft pick capital. How much do you want to bet one is gone next year? The other teams? Isn’t one (at least) of each of those CB’s on a rookie deal? Did I not say unless we get a rookie or someone is a surprise performer? See rookie deals. So we have a top paid CB1. Unless we draft a top CB or someone unexpected shines, you can bet we’ll always have a CB2 on the other side. Not someone who would be a CB1 on most other teams. And if we draft a CB1 when his rookie deal is up PP will be gone and we’ll do this again.

  28. By Scott H on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    Why is anyone scratching their head over Honey Badger being released?? Pretty simple – the Cardinals were not going to pay him what his contract owed him and he wasn’t taking a pay-cut. He was due a roster bonus by a certain date and the team was going to be paying it. So….there ya have it.

    I wasn’t happy about it, either, but there was nothing mystifying about it.

    Now, if you want to scratch your head over the contract they gave him that ultimately came back to bite us this past off-season…..that’s another story. But it’s a pretty common tale in the NFL these days.

  29. By Joe C. on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    JTDG-By the way, your crystal ball is 20/20 looking backwards. I know you can pull posts showing you said all these things before they happened. I think it was the super bowl against atlanta the pats had 1 first round pick starting out of 22. Keim got cute with the Brandon Williams pick. Mistake. He gave HB too much money when injured. Fitz has been consuming too much of the cap for a long time. Oops. My opinion. Gresham is overpaid. Its easy to see the mistakes. We should have cut HB after his rookie contract and used the money for Jefferson. We should have drafted another CB. We should have drafted Brady in round 4 before the Pats.

  30. By NYCardinals on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    Scott H

    It was a simple contract. If he played at an All Pro level, they would have paid him. If he didn’t play up to the contract, as he most certainly did not, he would have to restructure.

    He knew this, they knew this, and we all knew this when it was signed. He thought he could make more somewhere else, and he was wrong.

    I don’t see why this is such a head scratcher.

  31. By ChristianR on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    To be fair, we aren’t nearly as barren as we were last year. This new guy should be a good addition to compete, but we were still in better shape than last year. Plenty of competition for CB2. There is still room for a Keim time signing, but I am personally hoping one of these guys will step up.

  32. By JTDG on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    Joe C,

    That isn’t what we are talking about.

    You said “You know you really can’t have the number one and number two corner in the league on the same team”

    All I am saying is that is false.

    This year, they could have taken in round 2, Donte Jackson, Duke Dawson, Isaiah Olivier, and Carlton Davis.

    Last year they could have taken Marlon Humphrey, TraDavious White in round one. They could have taken Quincy Wilson or Sidney Jones in round 2 or Shaquill Griffin or Fabian Moreau in round 3.

    In 2016, they could have signed Casey Hayward for 5 million a year.

    Point is, the cards have had many, many , many chances to fix the CB2 spot long term, but didn’t. To say teams can’t is …. well, not right. If any of those guys drafted in 2017 were drafted in rounds 1,2,3, its over.

    Just like the QB spot. Keim decided to go get one, and now he has a guy for the next 15 years. For what ever reason, he just has not valued the CB2 spot as much as I have. Filling it with Bethel, Cooper, and now Taylor, just says the spot isn’t important to him as much as other spots.

    As for the Patriots and Butler, something else happened behind the scenes. Remember, they sat him in the super bowl. But to take it a step further, yes, they let Butler go, but drafted Duke Dawson in round 2 . So…..

    More CBs on the same team, (cap hits for 2018)
    Atlanta has Robert Alford (9.6mil ) and Marcus Trufant (12.9mil).

    The Broncos have Bradley Roby ( 8.5) and Chris Harris (10.3). Don’t forget they had Talib at 11 million.

    The Jets grabbed Trumaine Johnson to a 5 year 72 million to go with Buster Skrine (8.5) and Morris Claiborne (7million) .

    The Bengals signed Dre Kirkpatrick to a 5 year 52 million to go with Darqueze Dennard (8.5).

    Talking about Malcolm Butler, he signed a 5 year 61 million deal with Titans, who signed Logan Ryan to 3 years 30 million and they drafted Adore Jackson in round one in 2017.

    I could go on. Man, it sucks when facts get in the way.

  33. By JTDG on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    Joe C,

    Oh and Marcus Peters. Yep, he will be on his second team in 4 years.

    He also has been a pro bowler 2 of the 3 years. He has 19 ints in 3 years and 55 passes defensed.

    I don’t think there is any comparison between he and Taylor. But why was he moved? Because he has the same issue TO and Brandon Marshall had. Some guys issues go far beyond the field.

  34. By Joe C. on May 21, 2018 | Reply

    JTDG-and how many of those are true number one CBS. You can pick and choose what part of my comments to focus on. You know as well as I do that unless you draft a player or develop a surprise performer you don’t have two top CBS on one team. I didn’t say good. I said top. PP is sucking up the cap space at CB. If Rosen becomes the clear starter and we shed Bradford $20M we can spend a little different. But I bet we don’t go out and get another $15M cb.

  35. By Dan Nicholson on May 22, 2018 | Reply

    Trying to remember a good Cb1& Cb2 Cards have had. Roger Werhli & Carl Allen, Aeneas Williams & Corey Chavous, Antrell Rolle& DRC till Rolle went to safety. Not really a whole lot of combos over the years to where a # 2 is close to a # 1. Think Roy Green was originally drafted as a CB and played some with Wehrli before Jim Hanifan saw him catching balls for a QB @ practice one day and tells Roy, your playing WR…. Will say watching Taylor film he knocks a lot of balls out on WR’S and recovers with his speed on plays. We will see

  36. By JTDG on May 22, 2018 | Reply

    Joe C,

    Richard Sherman counts as 6 million against the cap this year. That sounds like a top CB

    Marcus Peters (I listed his stats above) was traded for a 4th rounder and Aqib Talib was had for a 5th rounder.

    Casey Hayward was signed to a 3 year/15 million dollar deal in 2016. You know, when it was all or nothing. He only has put up 42 passes defensed and 11 ints over the past two years while making the pro bowl both years.

    Before the trade of Taylor, the cards had roughly 16 million in cap room. Seems that 6 million of Sherman would have fit nicely.

    But I will say one thing that we can agree on, the cards should fix CB2 through the draft.

    2018 was known as the QB draft- Keim learned from his mistakes and took a QB.

    2017 was known as the CB draft. Keim didn’t draft one CB in the best CB draft in a decade or more. With any of those CBs I listed above from the 2017 draft, the issue would be solved.

  37. By Scott H on May 22, 2018 | Reply

    NYCardinals –

    Well, we’re pretty much agreeing with each other. But ya know what? Didn’t it just feel wrong that he was released after a season during which he played 16 games and more defensive snaps than any other player in the league?? Wouldn’t it have been so much easier for us to stomach if he’d spent another half a season or so on IR with another injury, THEN been released?

    Never easy for Cardinals fans….

  38. By Scott H on May 24, 2018 | Reply

    HA! What’d I tell ya, folks – Taylor is wearing #28.

    Thank you.

  39. By Johnson on May 25, 2018 | Reply

    JTDG –

    Spot on Analysis on the CB2 issue. Keim has done a disastrous job in his selection process, if we count the 2018 Draft out which probably is going to be his best. Lets look at 2016 draft, absolute carnage so far! So many good CB’s in the 2017 draft, this rankles me! Sherman hitting for only 6 Mil????? Why didnt we try to take him????…..After a while defending this teams management just begins to sound like broken glass.

    If Taylor turns out to be anyways good this season, I hope we can stick to him for a longer turn.

  40. By Joe C. on May 29, 2018 | Reply

    What I find so funny is every year the posters here lament that Keim didn’t resign the “terrible” CB2’s we had. From Powers to Cromartie to Peters to Williams we’ve managed to find someone every year. If you guys think Sherman was worth six mil coming off a torn achilles, well power to you. By the way, Sherman’s cap hit in 2018 is $6M, 2019 is $10M, and 2020 is $10M. With reasonable dead money after 2018 so basically a one year rental coming off a torn achilles.

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