Porter and reality

Posted by Darren Urban on February 2, 2010 – 3:43 pm

So Joey Porter wouldn’t mind playing for the Cardinals? Given the Cards’ linebacker circumstances — Bertrand Berry retiring, Chike Okeafor likely not returning, Cody Brown and Will Davis still raw — he certainly sounds attractive. Porter had nine sacks for the Dolphins, and while he is 32, he has history with Ken Whisenhunt from their days in Pittsburgh (as well as fellow former Steeler and Colorado State alum Clark Haggans). He also is good in a 3-4 alignment.

But the Cards are trying to get a little younger on defense and that doesn’t necessarily help. If Karlos Dansby leaves as a free agent, it would free up early draft picks for an inside ‘backer if the Cards could nab a pass rusher on the open market.

First, of course, the Dolphins would have to cut Porter, which is no sure thing (although it seems like, through the radio interview linked to above, the Dolphins will want to rid themselves of him). Then we’d have to see what Porter is looking for contractually — because it’s likely a big payday. Do the Chargers or 49ers — the other teams Porter is eyeing — provide a better landing spot.

Plus, I’m not sure how the final eight berth for the Cards would/could affect this situation, seeing that Porter will be released instead of just being an unrestricted free agent.

That’s a lot of hoops to get through before Joey Porter could ever land in Arizona.

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26 Responses to “Porter and reality”

  1. By Glenn on Feb 2, 2010 | Reply

    Can’t they trade for him? Boldin even up?

  2. By darrenurban on Feb 2, 2010 | Reply

    Glenn —

    They could trade for him but they won’t. If Boldin goes, I think it’ll be for draft picks.

  3. By Secret on Feb 2, 2010 | Reply

    Porter will try hardest to go for the team he thinks has the best chance of getting to the SB. I believe he will choose the Chargers. But hey, the Cardinal’s defense I’m sure would love to have him. Just pay ’em and our defense will have improved immensely. Also with Ware being healed next season wilson and porter will be able to blitz together and help the secondary out too by force the QB to make some early throws.

  4. By darrenurban on Feb 2, 2010 | Reply

    Secret —

    If Porter is a FA, he’ll go wherever they offer the best money and, to a lesser extent, best role. It won’t matter where (at least of those teams he mentioned).

  5. By Cardinals in Surprise on Feb 2, 2010 | Reply

    I know they are trying to rebuild the defense with a younger talent infusion, but is now the time. But aren’t we going to need a defense that doesn’t require our offense to outscore every oppoent to win a game?

    This guy is a game changer and seemingly knows the system (to some degree). Great fit, great energy, great leader…

    Sounds good!

  6. By Kenny on Feb 2, 2010 | Reply

    If Porter gets released, he has to go through waivers before he can become a free agent. According to the rules, he therefore won’t count in the “Final 8” equation. In other words, the Cards could sign him without consequences on their ability to go after other people (assuming they’re willing to spend the dough).

  7. By Former Steeler Fan on Feb 2, 2010 | Reply

    Joey is not the (LB) answer anymore than McNabb or Vick are the QB answer.

    Has anyone noticed the excellent job that some of the outstanding rookie LBs have done in the last couple of years?

    Why pay big bucks for a 32 year old LB when the Cards can get a top rookie LB who will be around for many years?

  8. By Eazy E on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    Joey Porter to the cardinals would be great!!! He would give us that elite olb we need for our 3-4. He’s a great leader and very emotional leader. Whether you like the guy or not, he can play. That’s our biggest priority other than qb.

  9. By $ 90 $ on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    The cards should be trying to keep Dockett first.. theres a future in him. Then try and get others. Plus Porter is up there in age and will more than likely just want paid and he brings a mouth to the team – that im not sure he can back up any more.

  10. By John on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, I know the cards want to get younger, but Porter is too talented to let pass. I wrote to you earlier about this situation about Porter. Getting Porter would allow the cards to either draft LB Sean Witherspoon, who would step in from day one for Dansby, or CB Patrick Robinson in the first round. Losing Dansby would take care of the final eight problem one would think. Our defense lacks fire IMO. Porter and Witherspoon would bring a whole new attitude to this defense. (I know you are not following the draft, but did you see the senior bowl?)
    Two other players to watch, Casey Hampton NT for the Steelers is unrestricted free agent and may be able to be grabbed away. Any rumors floating there?
    The other was Shawn Merriman, who may become available after a poor year coming off a bad injury. With the Chargers using a high first round pick last year to replace him, he should hit the market. Any feelings about Merriman rebounding in a cards uniform.

  11. By darrenurban on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    John —

    1) I didn’t see the Senior Bowl.
    2) If Hampton is UFA — there are indications the Steelers could franchise him — I could see the Cards making a play there.
    3) Merriman is going to be restricted, assuming we have an uncapped year. The Chargers aren’t going to let him walk. They will tender him, probably so ti would cost at least a No. 1 pick (and his salary for the Chargers would remain reasonable, less than $3 million as he works his way back into shape).

  12. By Jeff Gollin on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren – Could you write a piece on the cap-dollars that may now be available with Kurt Warner’s departure and the impact this might have on our ability (and willingness) to either sign, redo or extend contracts or bring in a high-profile FA (like…mmm….Porter)?

  13. By darrenurban on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    Jeff —

    Barring a miracle, there will not be a salary cap, so that’s a moot point. What there will be, I believe, is significant caution, at least from most teams, in spending big money because of the concern about a work stoppage in 2011. Teams aren’t going to want to pay big bonuses up front when they might not get a player to work next year. I also wonder if it will delay signings, because I would think agents will want to get more up front and have less in 2011 salary knowing their client might not get it.

  14. By Aitchem on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    If I’m looking at bringing in a big dollar OLB, I’m looking to land Elvis Dumervil, not Porter. He’s a young, proven sack machine.

  15. By darrenurban on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    Aitchem —

    The Broncos are not letting Dumervil go anywhere.

  16. By Wampag on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    D what scares me is the Dolphins are in huge need of a guy like Boldin and you know Tuna admires his toughness and we know going back to FL would be big to Boldin and he can throw the ballin their wildcat

    in fact the more I think about it the more I see Whiz trading for a Pitt player and sending Boldin somewjhere he would love to play its a win win i am sure the dolphins have a back up D guy to pakcage with Porter


    I love Boldin

    he is the heart


  17. By Eazy E on Feb 3, 2010 | Reply

    The ‘final 8’ rule is the division losers(cardinals, cowboys, ravens, and chargers) can sign 1 player 5.5 million or more(big name fa basically), but the conference champion and super bowl participants can’t sign them unless they lose a player. Just made sure to clear that up.

  18. By John on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    No doubt Dumervil would be the guy everyone wants, but he is a restricted free agent with no CBA, and with a CBA, he would be franchised.
    Besides Porter, here are your unrestricted free agent pass rushers,
    Julius Peppers (provided he is not franchised)
    Jason Taylor (36)
    Mike Vrabel (35)
    Derrick Burgess (32)
    Chike Okeafer ( 34)
    Since the Chargers have so many free agents to sign back, I could see Merriman being available for trade, but as Darren pointed out, he is only making 3 million next year, so they will keep him one more year.

    So looking at this list, do you all feel better about Porter and his 26.5 sacks the last 2 years ? ? ?

  19. By John on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, I heard Dansby say he might be franchised. I thought the max was 2 years. With no CBA, can he be franchised a third time ? If so, do the cards want to pay him or could he be someone the franchise and trade ?

  20. By darrenurban on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    John —

    Dansby can be franchised again, but to do it a third year in a row would force the Cards to pay him the average of the top five salaries in the entire NFL — elite quarterback money. That’s not happening.

  21. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    Seeing that this is going to be a “transition” year for the Cards, I hope they pass on Porter and give the spot to one of the young backers already on the Cards roster a chance to learn and grow. If Dansby leaves, then it seems highly likely the Cards are going to be forced to play a one-year guy like Brown and Davis more than they may like with their limited development. But how can you expect a guy to develop into a starter if you don’t give him a shot at starting? Practice reps only get a player so far.

    If Kurt was going to return next year, I might have a different opinion about trying to get Porter for one last run with Kurt. But then again, if Kurt had played next year, we likely couldn’t afforded Porter. And even with Kurt gone, I can’t see this franchise tying up that amount of money on an older guy when it could be used to bring in younger talent for the future at that position.

  22. By John on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Ottis,
    You make a great point. Cody Brown , coming out of college, was considered a great athlete, but raw to make the move to OLB. With his injury, its hard to tell what you will get. But keep in mind, The cards need two OLB’s , plus a inside backer in Dansby leaves. Very risky to say Brown and Davis are your starters, while a rookie takes over inside for Dansby.
    With Porter, the cards have a vet to lead them, and provide an outside pass rush, while Brown (or Davis) develop on the other side. This opens up the ability to fill Dansby’s spot in the 1st two rounds ( I love Sean Witherspoon) and draft a corner with the other first day pick.
    That way, you can” transition” without falling back to those losing records.

    P.S. Darren, the Steelers supposedly promised promised not to franchise Casey Hampton. Can you bang on some doors about getting this guy signed on that first day of signing ? ?

  23. By darrenurban on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    John —

    “Promises” to not franchise a player don’t go very far in this league. And there always seems to be a grey area in what was a “promise” and what was a “we’ll do our best.” If Hampton comes free, however, I’d be surprised if the Cards don’t seriously look at him.

  24. By Billy Thomas on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    All I know is that if we are going to trade Boldin, which I wish we wouldn’t, but if we are going to, I want a number of draft picks, not just one player. Boldin still has 2/3 of his career left, and he is undeniably one of the best WRs in the NFL, which isn’t always seen since he has to split catches with Fitz. I think we should pay Boldin, keep them both, and have the best WR tandem in the NFL, and one of the best (if not the best) in NFL history.

  25. By alex u on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    Rod Graves will do the job, one way or another.

  26. By Eazy E on Feb 4, 2010 | Reply

    Big ”Snack” anchoring the d-line with dockett and calais OMG!!! Best d-line in the league if it were to happen??? Porter as i said before sounds good too opposite clark haggans and dansby come on back man because i also heard the cards probably would be interested in larry foote who will test the fa market because detroit trippin he led them in tackles last season and was a nice playmaker for them.

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