About some rookies

Posted by Darren Urban on April 26, 2010 – 3:19 pm

Some various links about some of the draftees …

— Here is a Sports Science video segment about QB John Skelton, measuring his reaction time and his throwing mechanics.

Daryl Washington is a guy who has always performed once he got his chance.

— This guy compares Andre Roberts to Green Bay’s Greg Jennings (man, do the Cards hope that turns out to be right).

— Roberts also endured The Citadel just to have a chance to play football.

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56 Responses to “About some rookies”

  1. By DRC#1FAN on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    So, Darren, Any chance we go after Adalias Thomas from the Patriots. It seems he has under performed in the Patriots Dark Defense run by te Emporer in his grey cloak. lol. anwyays. he is a 34 linebacker with the ability to pass rush. probably better than haggans. wwhatta think?

  2. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    DRC —

    I’m not sure they think he will be better than Haggans or even if that’s true. Haggans has a history with Whiz, which helps him.

  3. By Mr. Know It All on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    NT Williams and ILB Washington should contribute right away.

    I think QB J Skelton is going to be a franchise QB for the Cards.

    WR Roberts and TE Dray could surprise and make the team and contribute this season.

    The OLB Schofield project should pay off and the CB Calvin kid will hopefully be better for the Cards then say a M Adams long term.

  4. By fitzis11red on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    You know, I am kind of worried some of these rookies may not even see the field until 2012 because of the uncertainty of 2011(If there is a lockout). With Whizenhunts’ way of developing rookies and Schofield’s injury especially how likely will they strongly contribute in 2010? I expect Dan Williams will see alot of action in 2010 and prehaps Roberts as the fourth WR and punt returner but aside from that I figure it could be a while before the others significantly make an impact. What do you think Darren?

  5. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Fitzis —

    Every rookie takes time before there is an impact. That’s how the Cards do it. Even Beanie Wells took some time.

    There will be football in 2011. The preseason could get scrambled, but there will be football. I can’t see any way otherwise.

    And you need to spell the coach’s name right. It’s Whisenhunt.

  6. By William on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply


    The lockout likely wouldn’t last for an entire year, you know.

  7. By Bryan on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, Do you think that he could have a starting job?

    I know that Whiz said that Matt has the job, but I think Skelton might be the better choice for the Cardinals because of how much of a better QB he is.

  8. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Bryan —

    I am going to assume you are being sarcastic, and not actually insinuating a rookie from Fordham is better than Matt Leinart.

  9. By fitzis11red on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Thank you Darren for correcting me. I hate when I spell wrong. lol.

    I hope your right. The NFL is too huge to have a lockout and no ball. It could be a very bad thing. Maybe not as bad as baseball in ’94 but it wouldn’t be good. Thanks again.

  10. By dylan on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    if andre roberts turns out like greg jennings i will be amazed lol

  11. By aitchem on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    I’ll admit it – I wasn’t pleased when they dumped one of the thirds to move up for Washington when they could have kept the pick and landed Spikes. But I guess my pre-draft info gathering was a bit too shallow. From everything I’ve seen since, we definitely did the right thing. Make that things.

    And for what it’s worth, I’d bet the bank that Jefferson sticks. I’m surprised he wasn’t drafted.

  12. By alvaden on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Here’s a link to John Skelton footballl highlights. Could it be we’ve just signed our QB of the future? This unheralded and critized pick could be the most most significant pickup in the next decade, or…, he could be a bust. 🙂 Whatever the case, the kid’s release and arm strength are, dare I say, Marinoesqe!

  13. By fitzis11red on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    BTW that was my point. I know that’s how the cards do it and that is what was concerning me. You know, these guys play just a few games get a little playing time or none at all and then BAM!! No football. But, if you say there will be football in 2011 then I respect that and am on your side. Thanks again.

    “With Whisenhunts’ way of developing rookies…”

  14. By fitzis11red on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply


    Just out of curiosity have you seen any official draft grades on the Cardinals draft picks? I have looked but haven’t really seen anything. I don’t know much about these guys so I am obstaining from making a grade myself. Thank you.

  15. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Fitzis —

    Grades for the draft are worthless.

  16. By GMoney on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Wait a year (or two) then you can grade it. I’m hoping it’s an A draft.

  17. By Bryan on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply


    Please tell me the Cards will sign a vet CB. I’m terrified of Adams being our nickel back…I’d actually prefer they just cut him so we never run the risk of having to play him.

  18. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Bryan —

    That’s what everyone kept saying about McFadden. Then he gets traded and everyone freaks out. Fans can’t have both.

  19. By Chris on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply


    Do any of the players you’ve talked about have a chance of filling the special teams holes left by Morey and others, or take return duties from Stephens-Howling? I think he’s very effective as a returner but everywhere I read we need help in the return game.

    On a completely different topic, I didn’t realize there were so many Cards fans on the East Coast (northeast specifically) this is news to me, I went to Fed Ex Field and with the exception of Darnell Dockett’s Family and a scattered few, my wife and I were virtually alone. Glad to see us coming into the open. I think we should converge on the Panthers’ game with a force!

    One of apparently many many East Coast Cards Fans


  20. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Chris —

    I am sure there are special teamers available. We’ll see how it shakes out in minicamp.

  21. By Superdawg17 on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Do you think we’d consider signing Faneca and moving Wells to tackle? He did play tackle for some games, and played it very well. That would give us Hadnot, Bridges, Johnson, & Keith as depth. Not too shabby

  22. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Super —

    No. I think Keith is going to get his shot at RT, and Levi Brown will be LT. I don’t see them signing Faneca.

  23. By Cory on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply


    I really have to say that I love our draft this year. Particularly Schofield. It seems to me that picking Schofield is a big statement about the team’s confidence in Lott and his conditioning program. Whereas other teams may have been nervous about having a kid with a medical issue right off the bat, our conditioning program gives us the ability to take that risk. And if it pays off… We are gonna be sitting pretty.

  24. By John on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    With Adams and LSH as gunners, our punt coverage is one of the best, especially downing inside te 10. I dont want adams to go, just dont put him in at corner/nickle or dime packages. Mcfadden would have been a better nickleback than anyone we will find out there. With an approved passrush, he would have been fine. I just cant get on board with the trade. Maybe Skelton will change my mind.

    One more thing, I have now heard people compare Andre Roberts to Greg Jennings, Anquan Boldin, and Steve Smith on these boards. Poor guy has alot to live up to as a 4th wr/pr. I hope he can fill in for Breaston on punts and can fill in in case of injury. Scouts seem to love him and he has great route running, hands and quickness out of breaks. But lets just let the guy be Andre Roberts.

  25. By sign90now on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    alvaden, wow Skelton looks pretty good, who were all those teams he was playing against again? … o yea Old Dominion and Rhode Island. At least the undrafted Max Hall played the likes of Utah, and didn’t they also play Oklahoma this past year too, and they were also in Top 25 at end of season… GO MAX HALL, hope you can beat out Skelton in the limited snaps u get!!!

    As for the CB position, wasn’t it just this last year that the COLTS were in the SB with 2 Rookie CB’s??? Just trust Whisenhunt, if he thinks he needs a vet during camp he will bring one in.

    *** I hardly think the team we go into camp with will be the team we come out with for the season, right D-Urb???

  26. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Sign90 —

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cards end up with a different player or two right before the regular season starts. It usually happens that way.

  27. By paydaman90 on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Darren knowing all the cool stuff you do, do you see us being busy with free agency since the draft is over now? And if so what positions?

  28. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Payda —

    I think the roster you see is pretty close to the roster that will head to Flagstaff.

  29. By Bryan on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    I’m not implying that he’s better than Matt
    Matt will and still be my favorite QB. It’s just that Matt Has an Accuracy Problem but he proved us wrong at the Titans Cardinals game, but proved us right at the Packers game which was a nightmare.

  30. By alex u on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Darren based on the roster right now, who do you think would get the start at FB? Don’t know much about Mauia or Broughton, could Wright play FB again?

  31. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Alex U —

    Kreider might still return too. If I had to bet, it’ll be Kreider or Broughton. But you never know.

  32. By Shtiggy on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks for the Sport Science link, love it. He is our Aaron Rodgers. I don’t expect anything from him his first 3-5 years, but after that he could be magical. Well, hopefully anyway. Another fine example of outstanding talent evaluation by the Cardinals.

    Everyone is saying the Roberts pick was a gem, though I disagreed with it at the time. Let’s go Cards!!!!!

  33. By Shtiggy on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Now the thing that scares me about Roberts. From the “The State” article on Roberts, “and gave him a video of Roy Williams and Detroit’s other receivers that he wanted Roberts to study.” God I hope he ignored Roy Williams and studied Calvin Johnson.

    He’s got two of the best receivers in the NFL to teach him now. When is training camp????

    God the wait is agonizing!!!!!!

  34. By sign90now on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    o yea, and sign 9 0 now with the money we saved from the McFadden and Rolle contracts!!!

  35. By Casey on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply


    I don’t think people are freaking out about McFadden being traded as much as they are about going into the season with DRC coming off major knee surgery as your #1 CB, a 4th round pick from a year ago largely seen by most as a “project” given the low level of competition he came from as your #2, and Michael Adams/a guy who hasn’t taken a “live” snap even at the college level in 18 months/2-3 other guys no one has heard of competing for the nickel and dime corners in a league that has become defined by airing it out with a team that is coming off two playoff games against Green Bay and New Orleans when the Cardinals’ secondary couldn’t stop my 92-year old grandmother (yes, that is sarcasm and yes, that was a huge run-on sentence).

    That’s why people are freaking out… clearly, McFadden wasn’t the answer- fans have been pointing that out for several months now and management confirmed as much by essentially giving him away to Pittsburgh. Most of just thought (and seriously hope) there would be a better plan to provide a replacement/upgrade for McFadden.

    Don’t fault people for questioning whether a 6th round pick (he was still around for a reason) who didn’t play college football last season and a couple of undrafted guys can legitimately fill in as your 3rd corner, and God forbid injury, a #2 corner.

    I honestly don’t understand how anyone with an objective interest in the Cardinals couldn’t be freaking out…..

  36. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Casey —

    Well, I guess it’s because I’m not the freaking out kind of guy. It does no good. If the people making decisions for the Cardinals don’t think they need to do something, it does me (nor fans) any good by getting an ulcer about it. You make solid points. And they may yet sign a vet. Again, maybe they go through minicamp and OTAs and realize, “Gosh, we have to make a move.” Maybe they watch those workouts and think, “We’re fine.” But it’s got to come from Whisenhunt and his staff; all the fans who think they know the roster or think they know these draft picks as intimately as the coaches/scouts, they just don’t.

  37. By gang6230 on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    the cards did great picks, we have to trust that they did their homework. and the best available players at the time is what we ended up with. being a fan is about supporting your team no matter what. no all may turn to be great , but those that do makes it worth while to watch football. keep it up Card Fans

  38. By AzCardsFan911 on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    when are we going to know more about the fam fest?

  39. By darrenurban on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    AzCardsFan —

    It is May 1. There is a big ad on the home page. Click on it for all the info.

  40. By Bob Christianson on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    Darren thank you for all you info. I know it’s your job, but we apprieciate it.(By the way if spelling counts I’m otta here!)

  41. By AzCardsFan911 on Apr 26, 2010 | Reply

    fan fest?

  42. By TARL SAMPSON on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    Well I for one am thrilled to see the new season come about. We have three top flight quaterbacks, maybe not Hall of Famers like Warner, but pretty good. We beefed up the defense and plan to ride Beanie to the goal line. I look forward to the smashmouth football that is sure to come. Great draft!!!

  43. By paydaman90 on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    Sounds good to me! Our rookies will prove to be solid picks, as usual. GO CARDS!!!!!!

  44. By alex u on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    I like McBride and Adams battling for NO.3/4, honestly i think we’re fine, McBride is only 24 and he’s been a NO.2/3 all his career until his knee sprain. He ws back-up to Vasher and Tillman, and when injuries occured, he played good in the starting role. I don’t know what to expect from him coming of an injury but, i think he can fill in for McFadden. But yeah, signing a vet doesn’t hurt.

  45. By shannonrobinson on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    Take a look at the Cards’ Team Roster – click on ‘Position’ and you get the Position by Position breakdown of the Arizona Cardinals Camp Roster for 2010. 81 players are listed including Dan Kreider. Dan is the last unsigned free agent from last year’s team who is still listed on the Team Roster. Bryan Robinson is no longer listed as a NT. A tip of the Cardinal Wing to B Rob who was a phenominal player who brought a huge presence to our D! I think the Cards sometimes sign UDFA’s to go to OTA’s until the draft choices sign. Mr. Graves assembled a great team – they’re now in the hands of John Lott.

  46. By azcardsfan22 on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    trust me DRC fan you want no part of Adalis Thomas I live in New England he is so overated the guy was terrible

  47. By Sean on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply


    THANKS for this…for us junkies that can’t get enough, this is like crack!

  48. By mahonri on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply


  49. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    I’m not freaking out in the least about McFadden. The guy got his Super Bowl ring in 2009, cashed in, and took the 2010 season off. Amen that he’s gone.

    Toler can now get the playing time and experience he needs to sharpen his skills while building his confidence and prove to the coaches/staff that he’s the right guy for the job. If not, then Whiz and Graves will find a replacement. Toler can’t be any worse than McFadden.

  50. By mike mcnamara on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    i absolutely love the fact that in the poll on the cardinals website asking who will have the brightest future, 35% of the cardinals faithful say it will be ‘big john skelton.’ i have to say that from what i have seen insome of his videos, he does has a powerful arm and has the ability to move around in the pocket if he needs to. all the credit in the world to rod graves, ken whisenhunt and all the other cardinals staff members who were involved in deciding to take big john in the 5th round. good luck big john. good luck cardinals

  51. By mike mcnamara on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    you must watch this video. I LOVE IT. john skelton . see ya all at fan fest

  52. By rich on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    Hey fellow cards fans who liked mcfadden, go pop in the titans game last year and defend his play. He made Vince young look like joe MONTANIA! GO TOLER! hey darren, what in the world is rashad evans up too? havent heard his name at all lol.

  53. By darrenurban on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    Rich —

    Rashad struggled last year. He needs to pick up his play in year No. 2.

  54. By rich on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply

    NOT evans lol, crossed sports there.. Johnson, i want to hear about him. Rolle is gone, is a 2nd year safety, why isnt this guy being talked about. 3rd rounder last year was a solid pick, least i thought so.

  55. By Flood on Apr 27, 2010 | Reply


    I love how you as well as others take hits on small school John Skelton. Well, DRC went to Tenn St, Hightower-Richmond, Flacco-Delaware, Jerry Rice-Mississippi Valley State. I guess these guys should have gone undrafted because they didn’t play big competition like Heath Shuler (SEC), Rashad Salaam (Big 12), Charles Rogers & Curtis Enos (Big 10), and RYAN LEAF (Pac 10)??? The small school kids sometimes just don’t get noticed in high school or made a mistake in their past that set their path back. I like them because they come in with something to prove. I expect Matt Leinart to pan out so this debate will eventually be moot anyways.

  56. By WhyThecardiansl on Apr 28, 2010 | Reply

    The Cardinals now have two players from The Citadel on the team, not to mention the history with Stump Mitchell and Greg Davis It is a school like none other. Many of your readers have talked about the small school proble. I contend, that these guys are the type of players that can define a locker room by their positive attitudes and willingness to due whatever it takes. Perhaps, you could do a small piece on These Lords of Discipline…. These guys are very different…. believe me

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