Wilson needs accountability from Wilson

Posted by Darren Urban on October 4, 2010 – 5:00 pm

After bad games, Adrian Wilson often goes into a dark place. Sometimes, that makes interview sessions short and, frankly, pretty pointless, because A-Dub doesn’t have much to say. But Monday, while the Pro Bowl safety was more expansive, he beat himself down pretty well.

Asked if he was angry, Wilson – in that deep voice – responded quickly, “Yeah.”

About what, it was also simple. “My play. I just have to play better, I have to play better for my team. And I will.”

It was more detailed than that. Wilson wasn’t thrilled about his pass coverage on Chargers tight end Antonio Gates, and while no coach or other player mentioned Wilson by name when talking about pass defense, Wilson freely did.

Someone mentioned the idea that Wilson was essentially calling himself out. “It’s not uncommon for me to do that,” Wilson said. “I had a bad game – a bad two games, actually – and so I go into this game and the games going forward knowing what I need to do personally.”

What that specifically is, Wilson wasn’t hiding from it. “It’s always about coverage,” he said. “Always been that way my whole career. I will continue to work on it and work diligently on it so I can go out Sunday confident in myself.”

The Cardinals need their whole defense to play better, not that Wilson was going there. Wilson said he could only worry about himself at this point, which could be taken a couple of ways — not only self-reflection but also acknowledgment others have to also be accountable. But he intimated he must be first in the defensive improvement.

“It’s more on me than them,” Wilson said. “But I will get better.”

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131 Responses to “Wilson needs accountability from Wilson”

  1. By Tyrelle on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Come on A-Dub

  2. By Donnie on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Hurry Up Adub,,we gotta turn this cluster caboose around now!
    i still have faith….but the rah`s are getting harder to come by

  3. By John on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    To this point with the Cardinals, talk is cheap. It’s time to start earning a living out there. Our 2 biggest defensve players (90 and 24) were both no shows on Sunday. I was stunned at the lack of defensive energy. SHOW UP NEXT WEEK OR LET SOMEONE ELSE PLAY!!!

  4. By MikeG on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Wilson has had three rough games in a row. He is getting caught in pass coverage one on one and that is not his strong suit. The reason for this is that opponents are running the ball well on the Cards and he is not able
    to disguise himself in the defense. For Wilson to be effective we must do a better job in the run game. Alot of new faces on this defense from last year and I’m sure there has been communication problems amongst the players. Do you think the Cards miss Gerald Hayes in the run game more than anyone thought???

  5. By Darren Urban on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    MikeG —

    RE: Defense

    I think they are missing a lot of things right now.

  6. By MattAz on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply


    Any mention of why they didn’t change the coverage after it became obvious Gates was a problem? By the second qtr I was surprised not to see any help given to Wilson. If I recall both tds he had he was pretty wide open. Also have to wonder why we went into the game with Wilson on their best receiver knowing that’s not his stregth.

  7. By Darren Urban on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    MattAz —

    RE: Wilson/Gates

    I can’t answer the latter. As for the former, Paris Lenon was in coverage on the second TD.

  8. By ross on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, do you think the coaches will punish beanie in any way for his comments?

  9. By Darren Urban on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Ross —

    RE: Beanie talk

    If they do, it won’t be anything public. My guess is, if it comes up, they’ll just tell him to handle such things in-house and not air his dirty laundry.

  10. By kingdiamond on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    A Dub is a real leader-he is a buck stops here guy who means it! I have not heard 90 or DRC even attempt to talk about their individual poor play. Their references only refer to, “they.” Maybe their is hope for the defense. Max Hall also took a similar approach to A-Dub. If the defense improves and Max has more good games than bad games, 7-9 may be possible. We also need to see if Max is the real deal. Four games in, I hate to talk about next year, but I think that’s reality.

  11. By Jarrod on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    That is why the “C” is on his jersey. It’ll be nice to see A-Dub being A-Dub. No offesnse to Bill Davis, but I am missing Clancy and his mysterious ways of stuffing the top RB’s in the league. Props to Toler for playing well as of late especially against the run. Too much talent on this side of the ball to play this poor.

  12. By Fitz4Mtrushmore on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Attention Bill Davis…

    Quit putting AW in position to fail. How many SS in this league can cover Gates or anyother great TE in man coverage. Watch the Chiefs game & see how they dealt with the Bolts only passing game weapon.

  13. By tom manoogian on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    as a cards fan you gotta love wilson,but the truth is he is playing terrible.i do not know if the scheme is making it look that way,but sunday he was beaten all over the field like rookie.offensively,whiz got what he deserved,but on the d,it can’t be any worse.going back last 6-7 games,heck some teams don’t give that up in a fans over 42 years,so i will never change,but i gotta voice my displeasure.

  14. By brad oneill on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    this is the reason he is so great. he is willing to acknowledge where and why he failed and not blame it on anyone else. He will recover from this game and emerge as a better player. next time they face a marque tight end hopefully the cardinals will give him the help he needs instead of isolating him.

    The man is as good, actually better at what he does than anyone in the league. but he has one glaring limitation, rather than denying it he is facing it head on.

    jeremy shockey you will face the cardinals not just wilson.

  15. By phoenixraven1 on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Even though the defense looks horrible through four games I know we have the talent to get on a roll…I think some youth at OLB is the best call. Will Davis has to have some juice…he was really coming along last year before his injury and I’d like to see this Alex Hall kid get some grass time…maybe resting up Porter/Haggans so we don’t burn them out for the season!

    Wilson is awesome and I love his approach…

  16. By Scott H on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Gee, I’m glad the guys had that meeting recently. What were they discussing??? What pink items they should wear against the Chargers??? They may as well have worn some damn tu-tu’s to match the way they played. Let’s do some quick math…they lost 41-7 to the Falcons…then they had that meeting…and this week they improved to losing 41-10. That’s an improvement of three points OR losing only by 31 instead of 34! Now, THAT’S progress! If they can just continue to improve by 3 points every week…that will put them on a pace to beat a good team at some point during the 2012 season. Man, good thing they had that meeting. Without that, things could have really gone badly this week…
    OK, enough of the sarcasm. But it’s just incomprehensive to me that a defense with so much recognizable talent can be THIS bad!!! WTF! Ya know, I hate to say it but where the hell is Darnell Dockett??? Has he been counting his money on Sundays instead of playing in the games??? Ya know…Karlos Dansby got paid ( paid BIG TIME ) and he’s still playing like a beast in Miami. 9-0 has never been a no-show for a stretch of 4 games before, but it seems like he’s just not out there at all. And Joey Porter? Does he realize he can’t retire until AFTER his career has ended??? Where’s he??? Wilson? Campbell? Rhodes? DRC? Anyone seen these guys??? I know Dansby and Rolle left, but I thought everyone else was still here! Whether Bill Davis is to blame or not, this is the kind of play that gets coaches fired during the season.

  17. By Joe daddy on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Our so called star players are NOT playing like it. especially on D. DRC has been invisible. toler actually looks better then him. Wilson had a good first game but has been borderline horrible the following 3 weeks. nine-oh and calais need to step there game up. i know its hard when you have a 35 yr old NT and your getting double teamed everytime because no-one else can win there 1 on 1 match-ups. Our outside linebackers are just flat out old. teams are just pounding us, running right at our old outside backers that are pretty much playing EVERY down, which is hard to explain. O’brien cant be healthy soon enough. i wanna see some youth on the outside, rather then watching guys that physically just can’t do it anymore.

  18. By cahongisto on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    what is wrong about making adrian wilson more of a linebacker like a michael boley does ? i mean if he has known his entire career he is soft in coverage and at this point hasnt changed it do you honestly think he could or would?

  19. By Darren Urban on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Cahongisto —

    RE: Wilson at LB

    I don’t see any desire on either his end or the coaches.

  20. By Kent on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Whoevers bright idea it was to play Gates in Man Coverage needs to have their head adjusted. The guy was the only consistent threat for the Chargers coming into the game.

    We have two athletic corners on the outside, you take your risk with DRC and Toler against Floyd and Naanee in man coverage and take Gates away with bracket coverages.

    It does not fix the execution issues, but how much does it really help if your players execute bad schemes.

  21. By Eazy E on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    That is why he’s my favorite defensive player on the cardinals. He is accountable and he is a beast and anyone who thinks he isn’t gonna beast has lost their minds. He’s went up against some awesome TEs such as Tony Gonzalez, Zach Miller, and the best right now in Antonio Gates, those are some of the best in the league. Gonzalez was bottled up and Miller had that 22 yard TD against him but that was it against wilson, now he had 4 catches for 64 yards which is a solid day but a-wil didn’t give up those other 3. He will ball and play like a top 2 or 3 safety in the league PERIOD.

  22. By Zapp on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply


    What is going on about Cromartie? Is he still hurt? He needs to step up just as much as Wilson. Also What are your thoughts on Beanie calling out the coaches that he is not starting?

    I hate to say this but we suck right now because of are coaches, especially Ken Whisenhunt. We have made some stupid moves all across the depth chart thanks to him. Just look at what we could have done. First move drafted Adrian Peterson, not Levi brown, Alan Faneca clearly can not play anymore and everyone knew except he was a former Steeler so Whiz will stick with him, Lyle Sendelin is average at best and he has clearly topped his potential, Deuce is the same way as Lyle, average at best. We traded Reggie Well and Why is Brandon Keith still playing, all those sacks were not his fault but he still sucks. We never use are tight ends, oh yeah and during Whisenhunts first draft he traded up for Alan Branch, many fans wanted Zach Miller, that was dumb and everyone knew it except Whisenhunt. Are fullback is so good we have cut him multiple times but he is now starting for us. Hightower is not starting because the flimsy excuse Whisenhunt gives, its the fact that Hightower has done nothing that deserves be benched, but we all know Beans is the better back, and he has done nothing to keep Beans from starting. The position is called RUNNING Back not slighty above average at running and do everything else pretty well back. We traded Leinart. He didn’t like him personally everyone knows that is why is was cut. Thank you for making us settle with the worst Quarterback in the NFC and have to go to a guy that was so highly thought of that he went undrafted. We released Cody Brown because we had Joey Porter, AWESOME. He sucks plain and simple right now. Clark Haggans might be a good guy but has he every been good. When needed to upgrade there but we settled with guys that got run out of their teams because they sucked. But they are former Steelers so they start for us. So that leaves us to our DB’s

    Dear Bill Davis,

    Let Adrian Wilson be Adrian Wilson don’t let him guard Gates one on one you know that is a mis match and your are stupid to have done that. Adrian Wilson is my favorite player of all time but he is not Ed Reed in coverage. You are a NFL coach and you can’t see that?

    Dear offensive Cord’s,

    We need one cordinator not two and they need to call plays. Plain and simple. Sit in the booth and call the plays. Whisenhunt you are not the play caller you once were. Maybe you are but you have lost your mojo. What happened to stretching the field and running crossing routes with Fitzgerald? When in doubt throw the ball up to Fitzgerald on a streak. Let him make the play. He is the best WR in the game and you have treated him like Hines Ward.

    So on our entire offense and defense we have Fitzgerald, Dockett, Wilson, Campbell, Breaston, Rhodes, Toler, Hayes(PUP), that should be starting and the rest the coaches have made a mistake on. Half these players Whisenhunt did not bring in.

    The promblem with the Cardinals is not anybody’s fault but the Coaches..

    Whisenhunt we are not the Steelers, many of us hate the Steelers, we are the Cardinals treat us like it. Old Steelers that can’t play their can’t play here either.

    Do I think I am overreacting? Yes 100%. But somebody needs to point out that Whisenhunt has gradually made our team worse, talent wise. If he wasn;t so great at coaching we would be the old Cardinals.

    Whisenhunt man up and admit you have made this roster bad.

  23. By Big Red on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    The problem started when we didn’t pay are players that left us. Don’t wait till the last day of signing them, before they become FA. We couldv’e had BOLDIN, DANSBY, ROLLE and even CHIKE OKEFOR who would be better then old timer(porter). I blame it on the organization. If there going with Hall, why not try Skelton too, maybe his the right one.

  24. By georgiebird on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Have seen AW play too often. Good QB’s can take it to him because he’s not a smart player. He’s been playing for 8 years-he’s not going to get smart over night.
    It’s up to Whiz to turn AW loose vs bad QB’s and limit his play against the top QBs like Brees. If Whiz was smarter, this could have been taken care of under the radar. But now the lack of cover skills is out and the Cardinals will have to deal with it.
    In a way it’s no big deal because now the Cardinals know what almost everyone else has known. Good news-SF has a bad QB.
    Still admire AW as a stand up guy.

  25. By Eazy E on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    He got shockey next and after the bye carlson, winslow jr.(tb), shiancoe(min), carlson(2nd time), moeaki(kc)(who is a rookie but is very impressive), vernon davis(who he always shuts down but no cardinals fans wanna give him credit for that, vernon davis is rapidly becoming one of the best), fells(stl), graham(den), barnidge(car), witten(dal) is very good,and vernon again. Shockey, Winslow Jr., Shiancoe, V. Davis, and Witten are pro bowlers. Carlson is good, moeaki is an impressive rookie, fells and barnidge are decent and graham is more of a blocking te but can catch passes. Adrian Wilson will get thhe best of them. Go Cardinals and Go ADUB!!!

  26. By Eazy E on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    ”THHE” I meant The ”My Bad”

  27. By AndyStandsUp on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    The Cards are 2-2, coming off a blowout loss on the road, giving up over a hundred points on defense for the season while the running game barely had over 50 yards in their last game. Way too many sacks and a team that seemed to have not been ready to play. Fans in an uproar and calling for the Defensive Coordinator’s head.
    This year’s Cards? Nope. The 2008 squad that went to the Super Bowl.
    Now, I know things are/were different and to point otherwise would be a boon business for the guy who sells rose-tinted spectacles, but sometimes you have to believe. Not in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny or a religious deity but in a certain fellow that wears the red suit, gives out eggs occasionally and takes the team to higher place.
    P.S. And who started that run with a knockout tackle to the Cards opponent QB in week 5?
    Mr. Wilson. Just sayin’.

  28. By JD on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    This is not just a player issue… Problems like this start from the top. If you watch carefully you will see a disturbing trend of indecision on Coach Whiz. The game planning is pathetic on both sides of the ball. Everyone knows as soon as they get into trouble they break from any game plan and pass it to defeat(19 carries)ridiculous. The plays are old and predictable. The defense is just as predictable no viable blitz packages. Its has been indecision all summer long from Lienart, Anderson, to Beanie. Who removes a runner when he is moving the ball and takes him out of a rhythm every other play. Who couldn’t see Anderson wasn’t the answer, but personalities got in the way. If whiz would have support his QB from the start maybe he would have been excepted and had a better attitude. Again, We all know Anderson needs to go, and I’m sure whiz knows it as well, but he can’t even make a clear decision that has been coming for 5 weeks. It just maybe the brains that really took us to the super bowl is in Kansas City!

  29. By Former Steeler Fan on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    My prediction: 6-10 (or, 5-11)
    #1: Whiz; He has made terrible draft and FA personnel decisions and play calls {and, now he (and we) have to sit in the “nest” that he has made}.
    #2: Defense: Davis has to go and several players need to be released (neither of which will happen until the end of the season, if then).
    #3: O-line: Faneca and Keith need to be released. Grimm needs to coach better or be relieved (only Faneca and Keith will happen).
    #4: DA needs to be released (won’t happen until the end of the season; and, then who does Whiz bring in?).
    The Cards could put Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Johnny Unitis, or Joe Montana at QB and they wouldn’t fare much better than DA (or Hall) with the O-line that exists.

  30. By Logan Cooper on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    I gotta be honest its about freaking time beanie complains about his situation. I don’t understand Whiz at all in this situation. Every time beanie is in the game he changes it. He IS the BEST play maker on our team, without question.
    I’m with beanie, what are the people upstairs thinking????

    Now Darren, I understand you don’t think it matters if he starts or not. To me, it matters big time. You want to start the game off with to get a flow, momentum and energy. It is like bringing breaston, or even fitz for that matter, in the second quarter.

    I don’t understand why he hasn’t even started him once. Just to try it out.

    I am not angry, just scratching my head?

  31. By James (Cards Issues) on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply


    It is amazing how the following issues add up to equal our current situation. Let’s be objective and honest….talent evlauation and personell planning and coaching is hurting this team.

    I have been a fan since 1988, but we have to be objective about the real issues if they are going to be fixed. Especially the issues that no one wants to really say or be truthful about.

    Issue #1: Taking care of old Steeler players that are past their prime.
    Issue #2: Brandon Keith is not a legitimate starting right tackle.
    Issue #3: Not getting a legitimate NFL QB is Graves fault. The organization should have made the Leinart decision back in March. They knew back then that the players did not support Leinart…..they know the truth…whether they will admit it or not. Whisenhunt woul have gotten rid of him long ago, but the Bidwells wanted to see their investment play. Derek Anderson and two rookies = losing season. This is a monumnetal organizational failure that could cause the AZ Cards to lose all of its positive momentum.
    Issue #4: OLB Speed – No pash rush due to two old steeler OLB’s that have no speed. Technique and discipline for outside containment is horrible. Joey Porter is getting beat and not tackling… and Haggans is overpursuing. No depth behind them to help…..player personnel failure. And I thought Bertrand and Chike were old.
    Issue #5: Billy Davis failed in SF. Now he is failing here. Norv Turner exposed him. The safties should have never been up on the LOS against Gates. Countless Bad defensive schematic decisions. Run defense is an attitude…Davis is not getting his guys ready to play…the defense looks sad.

    Issue #6: Punt Returns….Andre roberts looks scared.
    Issue #7: Penalties: we are the most heavily penalized team since 2007. That is squarely on Whisenhunt. Penalties = no discipline.
    Issue #8: We have no identity with our offensive philosophy. The running game has been decent….they need to continue to run the ball out of every formation possible.
    Issue #9: Kurt Warner covered for a lot of our team’s weaknesses.
    Issue #10: Alan Faneca needs to be replaced with Rex Hadnot. Watch the film he is getting repeatedly beat on passing plays.
    Issue #11: Free agency was weak this year. So that hurt us.
    Issue #12: No Pass rush….non-existent. If campbell & docket are so great…then where is the production. Porter is at best a situational pash rusher now. Parcells knew this..which is why he let him go. We need young LB’s. Cody Brown is an example of talent evaluation failure at a position of need. obrien Schofield has potential, but the knee is a major risk.
    Issue #13: WR injuries…Fitz, Breaston, Doucet.
    Issue #14: Season ticket sales are going to drop off next year…either due to a work stoppage or because the team has digressed. Maybe playing in the NFC West will help.

    Just my thoughts…

  32. By Gabe on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    That’s what we need from the Cpt of the Defense, a show of accountability. It’s like he said,
    “It is what it is.” Ha

    I love it. Porter and Co could learn something from this,

    You can’t hide from the eye in the sky!

    That eye says the defense stinks! Get it cranked up fellas!

  33. By UltimateCard on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    So now that Beanie has publicly stated what many think about Whisenhunt, will he get cut or traded? How many more losses until a player reveals the real reason Leinart was cut? Is this season Whisenhunt’s worst nightmare yet? You know what they say about karma.

  34. By Tom-AZ on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    A-Dub is not only one of the best players for the cardinals but one of the best in the NFL. It is no fluke that when A-Dub is nailing his targets to the dirt and goading his opponent’s broken bodies that the Cardinals win. He sets the tone and he sets the vibe. Let A-Dub wack some Saints around the stadium and you’ll watch this team come back.

  35. By scott023 on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    The buck stops with the coaches, period! Let’s say it the way it is Whiz need’s to get a oc, he need’s to be a full time head coach. Grim need’s to run the o-line like a pro coach hall of famer that he is. Bill Davis, with the talent you have on the field you, are completely lost as a coach. Over and over their D run through us as we were still frozen as if we were waiting for the ball to snap. Faneca looks like a has been, it’s gives me no pleasure to say this. It’s all true. You may go out and get beat on a set of plays. Not the whole game and it’s all on the head coach,maybe he is afraid of his coaches? Maybe he just don’t want to hurt their feelings? Whatever the reason he needs to be a head coach and not a oc. period. Very shameful on both sides of the ball. The cards are better than this .

  36. By ShamWoW on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Very well said ASU

  37. By scott023 on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    The more I think about it the more upset I get. Darren do you think coach whiz has the guts and step up and deal with the coaches as he really must? We need leaders here and fast! Why is Davis still here? He is and has been out coached game after game and coach whiz just stands by. It’s like he is lost and don’t know what to do.Don’t you think we deserve better than a beating like that? Game after game beatings and we have done nothing to solve it. I have not even seen an ajustment of any kind, have you?

  38. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Scott023 —

    I will probably write this line in a piece later today, and it’s something I believe — it’s always more about the Jimmys and Joes than the X’s and O’s. Players gotta play. You can’t (and I don’t mean you specifically, but fans) say Whiz was propped by Warner and then turn around and say the DC is the reason the defense is struggling. Firing a coach is a pretty drastic measure, don’t you think?

  39. By Jesse Robles on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    Ken Whisenhunt picks favorites that is why Beanie said what he said. He picked Derrick Anderson over Matt Leinart, Tim over Beanie, Alen Faneca over anyone. Who cares what ties you have, put the best player in there to help us win like you said. I am happy ADUB did what he did, the whole team needs to look at themselves and figure out when they are going to decide to show up this season? Let Go Cards!! STILL TIED FOR FIRST!!

  40. By AndyStandsUp on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    The “real” reason Leinart was released is because Whiz and the org believed Anderson, Hall and Skelton gave the Cards a better chance to win over Matt.
    Time will tell if they’re correct but to say that “karma” is involved is counterintuitive. After all Arizona has been through, they should have all the “bounces” in the world.

  41. By Jesse Robles on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    When you are unsure about your QB, you establish a run, which makes play action open up with 1 great receiver and a couple progressing free agents. We have 2 RB’s that want the ball, pound it down someone’s throat, feed them the ball. I’d throw the pads on during practice, get out there and hit someone. We’ll see what happens this week.

  42. By nmcard on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    A-Dub STOP pressing , you know better than anyone , you are what you are , All Pro’s are for a reason ,keep working and leading its what you do with your play after all , you are always the best you can be , I wish I could talk to you and get advice to help me show some of what you do and are ,to the some kids I deal with , Keep being you !!!! play well!!!!!

    Go Cards !!!!!

  43. By Lee on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    I am a Cardinals fan. I believe in Coach Whiz and his ability to find the “right” players for the team to win. I’m wondering if Coach Whiz is looking at any of his coaching staff to make changes there as well as making any potential player changes?

    Also, don’t you think the officiating in the NFL is biased? Seems to me that once the Cards have a bad game penalty wise, the remainder of the season just spirals out of control with penalties? I guess if game tape was available to the fans it might rile us up more than we already are.

    Thanks for your time, appreciate your work.

  44. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Lee —

    RE: Staff changes/Refs

    I don’t expect any in-season coaching changes. There is always a chance responsibilities could shift, but no one is getting fired, I don’t think.

    And no, I don’t think the officials are biased.

  45. By MattAZ on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    >>“It is what it is.” Ha
    >>I love it. Porter and Co could learn something from this,

    I’m pretty sure Porter’s post-game was introspective. I’m not sure his talent is what we’d hoped (at his age) but Whiz brought him in for leadership too, and everything I’ve heard from him – including post Chargers – has been a positive reflection on that front.

  46. By MattAZ on Oct 4, 2010 | Reply

    >>How many more losses until a player reveals the real reason Leinart was cut? >>Is this season Whisenhunt’s worst nightmare yet? You know what they say >>about karma.

    Yeah. Karma is gonna bite Whiz for delivering the only Super Bowl appearance this team has ever had. And you may be on to something… cutting Leinart was just another blatant move he failed to cover up in his attempt to undermine this teams future. Please.

    I will agree that there are some concerning leadership questions for a team with this much talent, and yes that ultimately goes to Whiz. But I don’t think he’s up in the book repository with additional shooters out on the grassy knoll.

  47. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    MattAz —

    RE: Karma

    “>>How many more losses until a player reveals the real reason Leinart was cut? >>Is this season Whisenhunt’s worst nightmare yet? You know what they say >>about karma.

    Yeah. Karma is gonna bite Whiz for delivering the only Super Bowl appearance this team has ever had. And you may be on to something… cutting Leinart was just another blatant move he failed to cover up in his attempt to undermine this teams future. Please.

    I will agree that there are some concerning leadership questions for a team with this much talent, and yes that ultimately goes to Whiz. But I don’t think he’s up in the book repository with additional shooters out on the grassy knoll.” —


  48. By Darthcard on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    I do not blame Wilson at all. His strong suit is not coverage. But he also is not terrible by any means. There is no passrush at all. That absolutely shocks me. And darrnen please send this message to Billy Davis- If teams are going to shred your defense up slowly and painfully you might as well send the house.. What’s the worst that could happen? You let up huge plays? Let up huge points? That happened. When I say send the house I mean buddy ryan style. I think drew brews needs a broken jaw send the house.

  49. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darthcard —

    RE: Blitzing

    OK to make that point, but no one needs to get hurt in the process. You know better.

  50. By BigTom on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply


    What is your thought on Lewis that San Fran just released? Worth a look for our defense? He has been playing in the West long enough to know team’s systems and was a big part of their defense. Think he could help our situation?

  51. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Big Tom —

    RE: Lewis

    Don’t see where he fits with Wilson, Rhodes and Ware already playing.

  52. By Bill L on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    IT MUST be Matt’s Fault……….although, I am perplexed as to explain how…..but, I’m sure Whiz can make-up something. Is Grimm still on the staff?…….oh well, there is always next year……….after that, next year……..after that, next year……..take your time, what’s a few years of horrible football…..or, decades for that matter………………..THIS is ALL Matt’s Fault, right Whiz?

  53. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Bill L —

    RE: Your posts

    While I’ve enjoyed your sarcasm over .. and over .. and over … and over, it seems like your efforts here are of one note. Let us know if you have anything else to add.

  54. By Wampag on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    what is this all about? PFT starting trouble agian?

  55. By john m on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Regarding Wilson, it is obvious that during those games where the scores are high by the opposing teams, (GB,Atl NO SD) they have had elite tight ends. In all of those cases, Wilson has been exploited by these teams offenses. To me it seems clear that the Cardinal’s personel doesn’t correctly match up against the other teams offensive personel. I would think Rhodes would be a better fit due to his coverage skills on the elite tight ends. Is this a pride factor of an aging safety? Or is this a matter of everyone out of position?

  56. By smack28 on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply


    In a nutshell, this group of coaches and leaders with this organization have proven there is no real plan or vision of this team. From day one, that has been apparent with Whiz. He got lucky and happened to catch lightning in a bottle with Warner. Because of Warner, this team over acheived. If you want to see a comparison of where we are heading, just look at another team in our division – the Rams. We are a direct reflection of them and what happened post Warner. Confidence starts at QB and works through the rest of the team. Stick a fork in this season and beyond, this team is done until a true franchise QB emerges again.

  57. By card62 on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    A Wilson – He is the player he is and I am glad he is a Cardinal. The man has over 20 interceptions and over 20 sacks. The man is a physical speciman and always comes to camp in great shape and ready to go. The man will hit you and make you forget your own name. These are his strengths, and like all of us he also has weaknesses. He does not cover well man to man and he will miss tackles in open spaces. Watch him over his career and you will see this. He does help the CB very well in coverage and makes a lot of plays on the ball.

    We have to use Wilson right in our defense to make plays and Cardinal fans I just do not understand what is happening with our defense this year as
    I also remember hearing how hard DD was working this offseason and how impressive he was looking and I believe all of these reports, and I remember how excited most of us including me were about signing Joey Porter and hoping to see him get after the QB and teach our young pup OLB to get after the QB. Joey had around 10 sacks in part time duty last year. I just do not get our defense right now with the players we have. Please explain to me why our defense is playing so poorly? Thank you

  58. By D ryans on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    I was in San Diego for the game and i came out the stadium feeling refreshed knowing that this could be the end of the road for DA. As a fan i found it very hard to root for him, cheering one play and shaking your head the next, every set of downs. Max is a rookie and will make mistakes, but it is obvious that with a LITTLE protection he will be a lot more consistent than Anderson. Hall will start this week and we will all see what he is capable of on an even playing field with the score 0-0 Good-bye DA your time here was short and anything but sweet.

  59. By D ryans on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    I am just glad DA showed his true colors before the whole season was a loss, we might not win the Super Bowl this year with Hall but he will gain needed experience going forward. Lets go “Toro” and prove Darren U wrong, you are ready for this!

  60. By jocards on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    You know I think it’s admirable to stand up and take responsibility for your own poor play but just running your yap don’t feed the bulldog. Wilson and everybody else on that team has played bad & merely acknowledging the obvious does nothing. They all have to go out and execute, be where they’re supposed to be and make a play. They’ve looked like the worst team in the NFL 2 of the last 3 weeks and talking isn’t goign to change that. Go make plays!

  61. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Cardsalltheway —

    RE: Your “James” post

    I warned you and everyone: You don’t want to spell the coach’s name right, you don’t get posted.

    Fix those issues and I’ll post your stuff again.

  62. By jocards on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darren – I completely agree that it’s more about the players than the coaches. The players have got to make plays, no doubt about it. However when teams just rip you apart with no opposition like Atlanta and SD did one has to wonder if the scheme is flawed too. Bill Davis has done a poor job as have the players…I keep reading fan’s comments about how much talent we have…I wonder if they aren’t over estimating the level of talent on this club.

  63. By MikeG on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darren—Do you think Porter and Haggans are everydown players at this stage of their career???? They may not have much gas left in the tank. I think they are good for about 50% of the snaps in certain situations. They should be used like Bert Berry was last year!! Cody Brown not working out– I’m sure was a blow to the coaching staff! You never want to cut a 2nd round pick????

  64. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    MikeG —

    RE: LBs

    I think that’s a fair question to ask. I don’t know at this point. There is little question, however, that the busting of Cody Brown hurt the team.

  65. By Mike B on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, a couple of questions for you

    1: In next years draft I see that a potential QB in our mist his name Ryan Mallett but I do see us going for a superstar LB much like Washington your thoughts? I say its doubtful due to Skelton and Hall but I want to help you clear those thoughts for a bit.
    2: I’m actually suprised that LaRod had a snap or two as a HB during the game I think he has progressed very well in the situation and do you think he will get much more?
    3: Now I want to clear some of those other questions that I’m sure keep popping up here, Muhtadi and Mougey are likely to return although it is a slim chance mainly due to their injuries. And Baggs was called to return so he wont be back because he signed with another team in Canada already and because he is a loyal man he wont leave them. hope that helps.

  66. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Mike B —

    RE: Questions

    1) I assume you are talking about a first round pick. I think, assuming Hall gets a chance to play, we have to see how he plays/looks before the Cards are going to think one way or another on the draft. Long, long way before that happens.

    2) There are only so many carries to go around and everyone is complaining about Beanie’s carries (including Beanie), so I think LaRod will always be limited in that regard.

  67. By Mike B on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Oh and for everybody else Matt was cut for a reason and I know part of it.
    1. Anderson throws inaccurately yes but he doesn’t try to make plays happen.
    2. If we had Matt he would most likely have more INTs due to the fact above (and then you guys would say Why did we cut Anderson Darren?)
    3. He wasn’ a good off the field talker (Sometimes yes but others he likes to pint the finger and say I did it right but he did not)

    there I said it. Anderson I believe you can bring this team to where it left off in the playoffs.

  68. By Ben on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz needs to take a page our of Tony Sparanos playbook and fire some coaches that are not cutting the mustard; BILL DAVIS anyone???

  69. By MikeG on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darren–I think the Cards will come up with a good effort this week against the Saints. Usually we respond after a blowout. With the bye week upon us– we can let everything on the line for this game. I just don’t know if we can score enough points to beat this team. WE need to run the ball heavy this week with alot of 2-tight end formations. The Saints have been run upon this year–so we need to exploit that to some degree. I am really surprised fans are beating on Whiz!!! 4 playoff wins the last 2 years!!! Fans have a short memory it was not long ago we had Dennis Green, Dave McGinnis etc.. Fans must be patient–Whiz is trying to build something here!!! He has not had a losing season yet in Arizona–quite an achievement.. We are 2-2— the roof is not caving in????

  70. By chad d. on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    @ scott h, how can you even mention rhodes in a list of players not showing up? he’s had a better season than everyone minus toler.

  71. By Bill L on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    ONE Note, No I think a couple, but let me break it down;

    This staff has been together for years…..right?
    They decided in Feb? Earlier? that Matt was an NFL QB….right?
    All thru training camp, & 2 Pre-season games Matt was an NFL QB….right?
    Then SOMETHING happened……………..WHAT?
    Sooooo Bad that the Cards are playing 2010 with NO NFL QB……..WHY?

    Secondly, this team stinks well beyond the QB…..right?
    WHO is responsible?
    The O-Line Stinks beyond the rest of the team…..right?
    WHO is responsible? Matt was held accountable for PERCEIVED INTANGIBLES

    I think those are all pretty good observations and questions. JUST the future of the team is involved……..not for next week……..not for the season…..but years/

    TEAMS and units can stink……the more they stink, the easier it is to improve….but, regression or status quo for a failing team or unit must be addressed. THERE IS NO HOPE until they are…………fire Matt on a whim….keep incompetence on another? TROUBLE………BIG TROUBLE!!!!

  72. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Bill L —

    RE: Leinart

    OK, so what did you see from Leinart that convinces you he was the answer?

  73. By Casey on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    RE: Coaches (Bill Davis)


    I’m just looking for more clarification as to why the Cards can’t relieve Bill Davis of his duties during the season? We all know what SF did with their O-Coordinator (and they had much more success against the Falcons in Atl than the Cards did, that’s indisputable) and what Miami has now done with its Special Teams Coordinator.

    Are the Cardinals just “above” making in-season coaching changes? (Is Whiz just too cool/calm/collected/classy/virtuous to stoop to such levels)? Or is there just too much money left on most of these coaches’ contracts? I’d just like to understand the thought process.

    Also, do you believe the Cards’ defense has improved since Clancy was let go? Do 18 games last season, including the 2 playoff games, and 4 games this year not constitute the “body of work” Coach Whiz usually likes to evaluate before making such a decision? Combine the “body of work” with the trend line of the more recent games (40+ points in 4 of 6 previous games) and does that not present a compelling argument for making a change?

    Also, I’d just really like you to take some time watching film on guys like Porter, Robinson, Faneca, and Keith and tell me these guys aren’t hurting this team. Your standard response is “well, obviously the coaches don’t think the guys behind them (Will Davis, Williams/Watson, Hadnot, Bridges) are an upgrade.” But we can all DVR these games and watch plays in slow motion and see the mistakes- we’re not talking about revolutionary new technologies in genetic marking that the average person knows nothing about. Why are these guys not being held accountable? Why is Davis not being held accountable?

    Porter needs to be demoted and used as a situational pass rusher only (he is awful against the run and gets very little to no penetration rushing the QB- again watch the tape). Will Davis would start in his place. Bryan Robinson gets tossed around like a rag doll- he is not the physical force that a true NT needs to be in order to free up Campbell and Dockett. Deactivate Robinson and keep him around as a reserve player/assistant D-line coach. Rotate Williams and Branch.

    If ADub can’t be moved to weakside backer in the base defense (not just the sub packages), then I think you have a difficult decision with Haggans due to lack of depth behind him. But if and when Hayes can come back healthy, I move Lenon to Haggans’ spot, Hayes takes Lenon’s spot and comes out on obvious passing plays with Haggans coming back in the game (again, Haggans and Porter are situational players only at this point in their careers- the tape doesn’t lie).

    Given Adub’s deficiencies in coverage, the Cards have to find more ways to get an extra DB on the field. Whether that’s an additional CB or a coverage safety, this defense needs the extra help to stop the pass. In the base 3-4 pacakge, I view Adub more like a 5th LB than I do a safety. So you’re really playing with 5 backers and 3 DB’s. I don’t think it’s any surprise then that this defensive backfield gets absolutely carved up by good passing teams. What team wouldn’t playing only 3 DBs in it’s base package? I realize that Billy Davis tries to correct for this by bringing Matt Ware in as the 3rd (2nd) Safety in sub packages, but that’s just not good enough.

    I also think that to keep Campbell and Dockett accountable, Iwebema and Branch should see more time (I would not start them at this point, but just rotate them in more often).

    On offense, it’s obvious if you just take some time to watch the tape. Faneca and Brandon Keith need to be demoted in favor of Hadnot and Bridges, respectively. I think we’ve beat the “Beanie needs to start and get 20+ carries” horse to death. Again, Whiz obviously has his own ego and emotions to deal with, so we can all shout this until we are blue in the face, but it doesn’t mean HT won’t be starting on Sunday.

    QB to me is the least important of any of these positional and coaching changes. I personally think you give Hall a shot in this game with it being at home and then regardless of the outcome, really use the bye week as a teaching opportunity (this is where I think it’d be ideal if Warner could be used simply as a part-time consultant with Max in this offense). If Anderson gets the nod and isn’t successful, you’re looking at a very difficult situation with Hall making his first start on the road in Seattle in a very important divisional game (regardless of this Sunday’s outcome).

    Other teams in the NFL are being proactive and making changes based on the feedback they’ve received through 4 games. I expect the Cardinals to do the same. Afterall, who can legitimately argue that after 4 games, you haven’t learned some important lessons about your football team?


  74. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Casey —

    RE: Everything

    To be honest, you make fair points. I don’t see the point of firing a coach in mid-season. You disagree. Fine. Nothing I am going to say is going to change your mind (on any of this stuff). You put a lot of time into breaking this down. It is impressive. I don’t.

    You assume players/coaches aren’t being held accountable. If you mean accountable publicly, then you are right. You (nor I) know what is going on behind the scenes. If moves are made, I will assume it’s because they are deserved. If they are not, I will assume the coaches don’t feel it improves the product.

  75. By Casey on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    RE: Lynch to Seahawks


    Can you believe it? Another NFC West team willing to be proactive to address a deficiency? Willing to give up a 4th Round Pick in next year’s draft to improve the team THIS year..

    In your honest opinion, is this just craziness on Seattle’s part? Have Carroll and company lost their collective mind? I mean, really a 4th Round Pick to improve right now? Cards would never consider such a thing, I know, it’s ludicrous…

    Yes, I’m being sarcastic to make a point, and no, I’m not wishing the Cards traded for Lynch- we already have our stud in Beanie. The point is to build on my last message- through 4 games, you know enough about your football team to start making serious changes- looking at trade/free agency opportunities, making coaching changes, making lineup changes. Some teams seem to understand that more than others….


  76. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Casey —

    RE: Lynch

    And yet some pundits wonder if it was smart.

    There are always two sides.

  77. By Bill L on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Well, now some discussion. Convince me? I doubt that is the issue. But, to be polite, I’ll answer it. First I have been sold on Matt from college and that was re-affirmed his rookie year and thru the adversity of the Bears game that got Green eventually fired. The fact that he was started his second year until his shoulder injury tells me that TWO NFL coaching staffs thought he was an NFL starter over Warner(HOF?). Which brings us to the more pertinent parts of the question. TWO staffs started Leinart………..THIS staff decided after 2 years and 2 training camps that Matt was an NFL QB……thru the third training camp, they still said NFL starter……thru 2 PRE_SEASON games(supposedly meaningless for everyone else) they said he was a starter……..THEN something happened……….all I want to know is WHAT, so like other Cards fans, I can decide if it was worth it……..ALL of Whiz’s comments have been jibberish or double talk. SOMETHING happened and Cards fans are left with No QB and the option of buying a bunch of Jibberish as to WHY. I can’t fire Whiz or Judge Matt…….BUT WE(Fans) deserve the truth…….that’s all I ask.

    Now on to the O-Line?…….you start…….what has Grimm accomplished?

  78. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Bill L —

    RE: Grimm

    The line isn’t playing well now. But I assume you think the offensive line was better in 2006 than 2007-present?

  79. By Casey on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    RE: Pass plays over 30 Yards (Cards are 31st)


    Wasn’t this cited as being one of the primary reasons to go with a guy like Derek Anderson over Matt Leinart? Anderson’s ability to get the ball down the field? Well, Anderson has exactly 1 pass play over 30 yards in 4 games this season- good enough to rank this team 31st in the NFL.

    You’re quick to jump on other fans for suggesting in hindsight that Leinart would have been the better option over Anderson. Well, that’s fine, but then I just expect you to be able to accept criticism toward the team (coaches/personnel staff) when the actual evidence/data have turned out not to support the decision. Who is held accountable for that?


  80. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Casey —

    RE: Acoountability

    Obviously, Whisenhunt will ultimately be held accountable.

    And please don’t act like I don’t accept criticism. I approve every single blog entry. If I didn’t accept what everyone is saying, I’d delete such things and not post them on the blog.

  81. By Justin Wheeler on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply


    Just a couple quick questions.

    1. Do you have any insight as to when Breaston or Doucet may make a return?

    2. Why did Beanie receive so few carries on Sunday? Was it more because of game situation or him still being banged up?

    3. Is there any way for you to know how well ticket sales are doing for the upcoming home game? I’m curious to know how well they do with fan morale seeming to be on the decline…

  82. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Justin —

    RE: WR returning/Beanie/ticket sales

    1) I am still not expecting either one before the bye.
    2) Beanie isn’t banged up. I’m not sure he is totally 100 percent, but I think Sunday was about the game situation and wanting to see as much as possible about Max Hall as a passer.
    3) I haven’t heard anything about tickets. We will have an answer on sellout/blackout Thursday afternoon.

  83. By Casey on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    RE: Everything


    Fair enough. I really appreciate you giving the fans a venue like this to express our thoughts.

    Look, I don’t think most of us believe that we know better than you do about these issues, and certainly not better than the coaches and personnel professionals. Of course we are over simplifying all of these issues to the nth degree. I am definitely playing the role of armchair analyst/critic. I will be the first to admit that.

    But I do think there is a positive role that healthy feedback from the fans in a forum like this can provide. And hopefully we are all playing a small part in that.

    Anyway, I just want to conclude that nothing I write is meant to be personal toward you or anyone else. Of course I don’t have personal relationships with these people, so it’s easy for me to say that Bill Davis should be held accountable for the regression of this defense. You may know him on a personal level and therefore have a hard time writing that he should be replaced- something that would surely impact his family as well. I understand that.

    Thanks again,

  84. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Casey —

    RE: Feedback

    I’m not going to lie and not say I slip and take it personally sometimes. You get exhausted answering many of the same things over and over. And yes, I know some people personally, but more than that, I know the tendencies of what goes on and how Whiz operates — and sometimes, it just doesn’t make sense to me to bang your head against a wall wondering why things happen when it won’t impact what will happen. Again, I get the fans’ frustrations and the “What have you done for me lately” aspect. But it feels overboard at times (and I am talking generally, not just about you).

    As for Davis, let me say this: I watched Denny Green go through assistants like Kleenex in three years, including an amazing amount in-season. Guess what — in-season changes never helped much. Maybe that’s why I think the way I do.

  85. By cardsalltheway on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Very fine post and if I may sum it up for the most part, the problem is…Coaching!!! I agree with you, at the top of the list is the head coach himself who has really shown us all how inconsistent he is. When the head coach is inconsistent so is the team.
    Wilson said…“But I will get better.” 10 year veterans don’t usually get better, I think Wilson is delusional. But, if he wants to get better maybe someone should give him a blanket so he can carry it around everywhere he goes like Linus. That might help hiim remember to cover WR’s, TE’s, RB’s like a blanket. I wonder what the coaching staff or Wilson himself does to improve his lack of covering skills? The same can be said for DA’s inability to throw soft touch screen passes to RB’s, what does the coaching staff or DA do to improve his obvious lack of skill in this area?
    What is remarkable about the Cards head coach is that he seems to revel in QB controversies. He had 4 QB’s to begin with and sparked the first QB controversy between DA and Leinart including the 2nd QB controversy between the two rookies. What coach in the NFL would start an undrafted scrawny QB before a stud like Skelton? Could the Cards head coach be protecting Skelton while the O-line works out of its funk?

  86. By Scott H on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Chad –
    I’ll give you that, Rhodes has had some big plays, but…does he really get a pass for two, three plays in four games??? Really, it’s not about individuals and that wasn’t the point of my post. It’s about how collective poor play has just resulted in a disaster so far this year on defense. To repeat, it’s just blows my mind that so many talented individuals are all failing to show up. The firing of coordinators already seems to be a trend in the league this year. Bill Davis should probably be a little nervous right now.

  87. By Brad O'Neill on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    If matt was here and we had this exact same result we would be looking at Derek starting next week against New Orleans and not even have any evidence if he was going to be any good yet.

    By making the move early coach gambled that derek would work out. He didn’t. now we have a great scenario to break in a rookie. We have a game he isn’t expected to win followed up by a week to show him exactly what he did wrong and what he can do better. he then has 3 quarters of the season to learn his way and give us a shot in the playoffs.

    I am rooting for max just as much as I rooted for Matt and then Derek. We are in a rebuilding year. lets get as many wins as we can with what we have got. Go Big Red

  88. By Garbonzo in AZ on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    As fans, we need to look for level of improvement. THAT, is how we judge our team. Does our D improve? How do we run the ball? Time management? Intensity?

    Yes we got slaughtered. Yes the effort was bad. I believe we will see some changes. Whiz is too good to let things go the way they are.

    Adjustments lads, adjustments. What adjustments will they make for the New Orleans game? Get back to me on that. What does Wolf think about all this Darren?

  89. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Garbonzo —

    RE: Wolf on adjustments

  90. By Zapp on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply


    Is there anything wrong with Cromartie still he hasn’t looked 100% later. Or is he still falling a sleep at times.

    Plus do you still any moves on the depth chart coming up other than QB? cough cough Beans?

  91. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Zapp —

    RE: DRC/depth chart

    Don’t know on the depth chart. As for DRC, he is healthy. I can tell you that.

  92. By carlo7000 on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    do you see coach whisehunt make some changes in the next match against new orleans..i mean olb rotation or try to see what macdonalds can do as a nichel cornerback

  93. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: Changes

    We will see. They return to practice tomorrow.

  94. By Nick Pepe on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    I have said it before, I will say it again: Run the friggin ball. And they did that well the first three games and ran well early against the Chargers, called play action at the right time after 2 or 3 nice runs, and Anderson couldn’t hit Williams. It was downhill from there. If you can’t complete those passes, sit down and give the next guy a chance. And Anderson is not accurate enough. I also think he is not “aware” enough of the pressure around him. Hopefully, Max Hall demonstrates that ability. But I think we can stuff the ball down peoples throats, control the clock and move the chains. I would like to see Haddnot in there, just my opinion but I thought he stood out in preseason. Those 3 (or fewer) and outs can kill a defense, especially if the clock is stopped after our incompletions. I think if the Defense is fresh(er) going into the 2nd half of a game you may see different results.
    Anyway, not panicking here. We trust the Whiz . And it could be worse we could be in the “everyone’s dariling” 49ers shoes!!!!!

  95. By carlo7000 on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    just saw on twitter that san diego sign obiozor from our practice you know if they are going to sign someone today???

  96. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: Obiozor

    Yes, I expect news later.

  97. By mario8267 on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    any idea on qb change yet??

  98. By Bill L on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, You assume too much. A bad ’06 line is another reason I liked Matt’s play that season. I’d hoped that it would improve under Grimm…….significantly…….and with a better o-line and a better running game, Matt would move into the top 1/4 of NFL QBs rather easily.

    But, are you telling me they are significantly better? With a straight face? This O-Line STINKS, and the fact that the ’06 O-Line stunk is nothing to mitigate the TOTAL failure of Grimm………he was supposed to make them better…….a lot of years GONE to have an argument over which STUNK/STINKS the most……isn’t it.

    HOW MANY more seasons to be sacrificed before someone says NOT NEAR GOOD ENOUGH…..and says Goodbye. Like I said elsewhere, if the Cards got a chance at Luck, with this O-Line and its prospects under Grimm………STAY IN SCHOOL!

  99. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Bill L —

    RE: OLine

    I’ll finish with this: You carry much too much hatred for a staff that led this team to the Super Bowl and a 10-win season the year after.

    I am sure you’ll bash me for saying that’s all in the past, Warner carried the team, etc. That’s your right. But I am trying to figure out why you follow the team if it makes you so miserable.

  100. By Brandon on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Geez everyone is taking frustrations out on Urb, all he does is the reporting people. Beyond the terrible inconsistencies of Anderson, there is only 1 Qb that i know of that could do anything with a o-line playing this terrible. His name is Kurt Warner and he is on dancing with the stars now…. I never thought DA would be the answer and never will ( career 50 somethin % passer HELLO!!!) but in all honesty with Keith and Faneca letting people run unevaded to the Qb there is no chance for offensive success. We should’ve kept Reggie Wells. Something needs to be done w/ the O-line if we want to continue to contend for the division.

  101. By Donnie on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Again..people wanting to fire Whiz?? jeez i truly don`t get it
    a winning record since he started here,1st superbowl in about…oh …wait since forever!
    now he`s lost 2 games and its time to fire him…GET REAL

  102. By Peter in Canada on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    I can’t believe that people still want the coaching staff to tell the fans the reasons for everything they do. Just because someone is a season ticket holder does not make them part of the inner circle. When a player is cut to tell the fan base the reasons could be embarrassing to the player concerned and maybe others. Most players are cut because they are not good enough and it is obvious to all. A few are cut for reasons that are not obvious. Regarding Leinart, the circumstances of his fall were not obvious but I am willing to accept that the coaches had good grounds for their decision and for whatever reason don’t wish to elaborate.

  103. By Justin Wheeler on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, although I can’t speak for others on this comment board, I can speak for myself as a life long Cardinal fan:
    As Cardinal fans around the nation we have put up with all of the jokes for as long as we can remember. These last three seasons, we’ve been able to have a comeback to these jokes.
    I think that more than anything we’re really worried that the way this season has started looks a lot like the old Cardinals, rolling over to big opponents and playing undisciplined football. After two years of success, we’re not willing to accept business as usual.

    I know high turnover in the NFL makes consistent success difficult, but not impossible (See New England or Indianapolis). I feel like it’s easy to offer up the talent we lost as an easy excuse to our struggles, but I feel like the talent on this team is still good enough to compete with anyone in the NFL, and should be the best in the NFC West. Your well-written article on the Cardinal’s QB controversy explains that our issues go way past the Quarterback spot. I think that with Anderson, we have a talented veteran, and with Hall, a well-poised rookie, so I too, don’t think QB is our biggest problem.

    I like reading your articles because you seem to be blessed with a great balance of journalistic qualities and football knowledge. So I’d like to hear what you think should be addressed early on for the Cardinals to “right the ship”.
    Do you think it’s time to change QB’s/Offensive linemen? Is Bill Davis the reason our defense is struggling? And how would you explain the mental mistakes on a “Whisenhunt coached football team”?

  104. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Justin —

    RE: Answers

    Interesting that you mention Indy and N.E. They have been good for a long time. Why? Manning and Brady. The Colts were terrible before he showed up. The Pats were OK with Bledsoe (he was a No. 1 overall pick himself) and made a Super Bowl, and then they lucked into Brady as a 6th rounder being that guy. It starts and ends with a franchise QB. You have that guy, you’ll be successful. You don’t, and you will suffer at the whims of the NFL and parity, up some years and down others.

    As for the rest, Bill Davis shouldn’t be exempt from blame. But the notion that a different DC will change everything is laughable. Plenty of people were calling for Clancy P’s head at the end of the 2008 season, before the playoffs. No one remembers that now (or calling for his head after the final Super Bowl drive, but again, too ancient, apparently). I have already said I think Hall will be the call; I think you have seen what you will see from Anderson. But I stick by what I have said in the past — I think winning will Hall is going to be difficult. Maybe there will be changes on the offense line but I am not positive of that; they still have hopes of developing a still inexperienced Brandon Keith, as much as many seem to hate that.

    As for the mental mistakes, I don’t understand those on any team, not just a “Whisenhunt coached” team. These guys are pros. Their job is to know where to be. I’m not about to excuse that.

  105. By Jesse Robles on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    If Mike SIngletary gets fired, we better pick him up as a defensive coordinator.

  106. By Bill L on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    First, it is still MY team. I do not accept that my only alternative is to find another when incompetence and irrational behavior rules for a while…..that’s the right of a fan. You seem to have opinions on me and my opinions…..but, little frankness for Whiz and Grimm……but, I try to refrain from expecting more of you, understanding you are in a somewhat awkard position.

    Yeah, Warner was Good and carried the team quite a bit……..or do you disagree with that, too. SuperBowl? Delhomme should have been Cards MVP that year. 10 win seasons playing the Rams, 49ers and Seahawks Twice each in those years in the worst division in the NFL is Nice, but not much more…….and Getting Better is the key……atleast for me. That is what I expected from Whiz and Grimm………..Oh well, Rah Rah…… the team stinks……Cards, Love’em or Leave’em…….Don’t expect better….take what you get…………RIGHT?!!!!

  107. By jocards on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    I don’t think Whiz should be fired, not at all but I am not thrilled with the way this team has looked thus far. We have looked over matched on defense giving up yards and points at an alarming rate. We’ve had little pass rush and have gotten ripped on the ground. I blame mostly the players but one has to wonder if perhaps the scheme is partially to blame. I believe most fans are over estimating the over all talent on this team, particularly on the defensive side of the ball but there is enough talent to not be completely overwhelmed like thay have been in 2 of the 4 weeks to this point. The offensive side of the ball is equally bad. No consistent QB play, horrible pass protection & no rookie receivers have stepped up and distinguished themselves in the least. The upside of course is that the record stands at 2-2 when it could be worse, the division is weak and there are 12 games to get this thing going in the right direction.

  108. By TucsonTim on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    First of all, and you probably already know this. I’ve gone to other teams web sites and seen fewer than 2 or 3 posts on their blogs. Now you’re getting over 100. Wow!

    Does Coach Whisenhunt read these posts? I mean you have to admit it’s an unusual name, not easy to spell. You just seem a little touchy about the spelling thing. I’m dyslexic and can’t spell kat, or is it chat..i’m always confused.

    Thanks for your comments and insight…and patience (I used spell check on that one)

  109. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    RE: Whisenhunt spelling

    No I don’t think Whiz is reading through the comments. Here’s my deal on the spelling thing. I get frustration and all that. I just think there can be some decorum here. I am a journalist by trade and my wife is an English teacher. I hate when people blow through the written word and have typos galore because they are too lazy to edit themselves (and I think it’s much harder to read), but this isn’t an English class or a newspaper so I let that go. I think it makes people come off looking less intelligent than they probably are, but that’s their choice.

    In the case of Whisenhunt (or, pro or con, Bidwill posts in which people for some reason can’t spell it any other way but “Bidwell”), I just think it’s not right to intentionally spell a name wrong. If someone makes a real mistake, I think I can tell. But some people try and get cutesy with the name in an attempt to insult him. Sorry. You want to put that on a message board, I can’t stop it. But as long as I am in control — and I am still allowing all these points to be made; it’s not like I am censoring — I think it’s fair to ask for a little respect. Even if people hate him.

  110. By Eazy E on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Adrian Wilson at LB is plain stupid. He is one of the best safeties in the league and one of the best DB’s period in the league. I also agree with darren about leinart, leinart sucks and he’s not gonna do anything in houston because of schaub most likely and he’s third-string anyway. Leinart doesn’t make any difference in anything over here.

  111. By jocards on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Darren- forgive me if I am painfully out of touch but why is there no “comment board” similar to that of every MLB team on which fans can interact about all team topics? Or is there an equivalent on this site that I am unaware of????

  112. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Jocards —

    RE: Message board

  113. By Justin Wheeler on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Good points on the Colts and Pats having success with the franchise quarterbacks, to play devil’s advocate, I would bring up the 2010 Steelers, who are a great game from Joe Flacco away from being 4-0 without anything close to a franchise quarterback.
    I hate to bring up a moot point, but don’t you feel like the Cardinals could have done a little better than Derek Anderson at the quarterback position this offseason? You must be tired with all of the people on here calling for Mike Vick, Kurt Warner comeback, Donovan McNabb, etc. But one would think that the Eagles would have preferred to see McNabb outside of the NFC East if possible, with week 4 in the books, a McNabb trade to Arizona looks like it would have benifited both teams.
    I guess that leads me to another tough question for you; Are the Bidwell’s destined to be “lame duck” owners? I mean, with the recent success the Cardinals have shown, I would think the ownership would have demanded more of Rod Graves in keeping the franchise in position for continued success. The moves they did make are questionable at best. Rhoads was smart, but we all have seen how Derak Anderson worked out, and Joey Porter looks like nothing more than a situational pass rusher. There’s a reason Parcells let Porter walk in Miami and Derek Anderson got little attention around the league.

  114. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Justin —

    RE: QBs

    You are right on the Steelers. They also might have the best defense in the league. The Cardinals do not.

    The criticism of the moves this offseason are fair. Hindsight is always 20/20. McNabb hasn’t exactly been tearing it up, btw. Better than Anderson? Yes. But average at best. As far as the owners, not sure what you mean by lame duck. There is this feeling I get that people think Whiz/Graves intentionally tried to run the team off the rails. I am clueless on that kind of reasoning.

  115. By RichS on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    The Seahawks had a good game against San Diego. The Niner’s have had several good games and come up empty in the win department. The Rams have had several good showings. The Cardinals are 2-2 but haven’t had what I would call a good game. Right now I think my Cardinals are the worst team in the league. I believe if this continues, we will finish last in the league, have a hard time filling the stadium unless they are fans of the other team and we’ll be in line for a very high draft pick, but the way our O Line looks, even drafting a Peyton Manning wouldn’t help.

  116. By Justin Wheeler on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    No way am I trying to say any of the staff is doing a “bad” job or trying to ruin the team. In fact, other than the lack of discipline this year, Whisenhunt has been one of the best coaches in the NFL over the last 3 years in my opinion.
    I simply feel like, with the unprecedented success of the last two seasons, that the Cardinals would be a little more aggressive in bringing in the talent to keep the team a Super Bowl contender. The argument can be made that the Cardinals were somewhat “passive” in the offseason with the team’s overall talent and depth. I think that falls on Graves, as well as the ownership not pushing him enough.

    You’re absolutely right about McNabb being average at times, but it’s hard to argue with results. The guy led his team to multiple NFC Championship games, and a Super Bowl. He was never surrounded with talent in Philly and lacks it once again in Washington. Imagine what his resume might look if he had guys like Fitzgerald or Breaston helping out.

    An accomplished, veteran quarterback who was never fully appreciated with his first team looking to boost his Hall of Fame resume with another playoff-caliber team. Sounds eerily familiar, and while I agree with you that our team’s problems go way past quarterback, I think having the confident “field general” type guy at quarterback keep this team competitive every weekend and doesn’t allow the offense to look so stagnant.

  117. By TucsonTim on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Casey –

    Accountability. Yes that is what the press in PHX should be trying to accomplish, but it’s not going to happen. I’ve lived in AZ long enough to know that no matter what sports team you are talking about, there is very little accountability.

    Having lived on the east coast I find this almost a nightmare. Unfortunately for true fans, PHX is a market large enough that owners can actually make money off the opposition’s transplants. Throw in some revenue sharing and network money and you can do just fine with a perpetual loser.

  118. By TucsonTim on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    Justin –

    Don’t you think that every player on this team is looking at the QB? It ABSOLUTELY affects their play.

    I understand why ML was let go, I just don’t understand the timing and the replacement. McNabb might be “average”, but in what context. A new coach, a new playbook, new receivers, a new o-line, a very tuff division, living under a microscope with a microphone in your face 24/7…not many mortals could be average in that situation

    We had a heck of time winning on the road in St. Louis. He just won in Philly. That’s not average.

  119. By D ryans on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, I think you owe Max Hall an apology. If he was not ready to play in the NFL he would not be in the NFL. Next time you should be more careful when you throw the 2nd string QB under the bus, rookie or not. A lot of rookies have come into this league with much success in the first year, why not Max, its not like he came out of Mesa Community College. BYU has a good program and i’m sure Max has some idea of how to play football. YOU, of all people, should know he has the skill set to win. After all you were at camp and posted every day of how impressing Hall was, to you and the coaching staff. Your the one that started this fan base QB controversy, and for that i thank you. Now please, do the right thing and give Max the support you gave DA.

  120. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    D Ryans —

    RE: Max Hall

    I regret nothing I have said earlier. I’m sorry you have taken this so personally. I don’t know if you are a friend or a relative of Max, but before you rip me for being negative, perhaps you need to check to see if you are too close to the situation the other way.

    I never said Max couldn’t be a good QB in this league. I said it was going to be very difficult for him to succeed as a rookie. That hasn’t changed. Just because he is potentially in the lineup now doesn’t mean he is destined to stardom. I laugh at the idea I have started any controversy. I have written about what is happening. The controversy comes from what happens on the field. I have no control over that. I don’t see you saying anything when I tell the Skelton backers Hall is better than Skelton right now — or am I throwing Skelton “under the bus” as well?

  121. By Justin Wheeler on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply


    I encourage you to read the full conversation between Darren and I. I’m making the argument that McNabb is better than average, especially if you consider the lack of talent he had around him most of his career.

    I agree with you, we had a heck of a time against Oakland too. We know we have the talent from the guys that have been with the team the last couple years or more. Don’t you agre that management could have been more aggressive in making sure we had the “all-around” talent/depth to take advantage of the playmakers we have?

  122. By Justin Wheeler on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply


    Any word as to why the Cards announced their quarterback choice somewhat early? I pictured Whisenhunt waiting until Friday/Saturday to make the Saints have to prepare for both options.

  123. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Justin —

    RE: Announcement

    No reason to wait. Media watches practice (can’t report, but …)

    Whiz wasn’t going to be able to hide it all week. Plus the QB talks on Wednesdays, so that could make it awkward all week as well.

  124. By D ryans on Oct 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, i feel my post may have caught you off guard not knowing what i was referring to. After several poor games with DA i posted that Hall would be a better choice at QB from a talent standpoint which would be more suitable for this Cardinals team. Thats when you began to rip me with Max is only a rookie and that “I (meaning you) and the coaching staff feel he is not ready to play in the NFL.” My association with this situation is as diehard Cardinal fan. One that pays over $5000 of my hard earned money into this organization every season on tickets, Flagstaff, road games, concessions, and garb. You, being the chosen voice for the Cardinals website, which i love by the way, posted all off season long on our new great UFA rookie and how impressive he was to both you and the coach staff. I went to Flagstaff and could not agree more. That was the “fan base” controversy i was referring to not the actual on the field QB controversy which was obviously started by Leinart being fired and DA not performing. Obviously i know you only write about this and do not control it. And finally on your last point on “Hall being better than Skelton, right now.” I was merely arguing the point that Max would be a better fit than DA when i felt you mocked at the idea of Hall being the starter, “throwing him under the bus.” I am with Whiz that Max is not a god sent at this position, but he is our best option because i am also with you that he is “better than Skelton, right now.” You can laugh all you want but i hope you realize that a lot of fans read your stuff, and you are the chosen voice for the Cardinals website. Max has character, much like Warner, I’m pulling for him i was just hoping you would too.

  125. By Darren Urban on Oct 7, 2010 | Reply

    D Ryans —

    RE: Hall

    Obviously, I want Hall to do well. That only helps me. But I am not here to be a cheerleader. Again, I don’t take back anything I said earlier. The coaches did/do love Max, especially early in camp when he seemed to come out of nowhere. But at the time, he was a project and a fourth QB. Now he is the starter. Does he have potential upside? Sure. The Cards need that to pay off. But just because he has upside doesn’t mean immediate results. And this idea that I have to rah-rah things doesn’t sit well with me. I am here to try and sort out what is going on with the team like any reporter. History and the odds say Hall is going to struggle. Pointing that out doesn’t make me anything but realistic.

  126. By D ryans on Oct 7, 2010 | Reply


    RE: Rah-Rah

    Rah-Rah seems a little much, but even after your most recent post with a chart on how rookies fail in Arizona seems to be painting a ugly picture for my team. The Cardinals fan base is filled right now with band wagon jumpers and on the fencers, painting this situation in a positive light would only benefit the Cardinals by giving us, the Rah-Rah fans something to feel good and cheer about. Max is not just some rookie from Florida, this is our home town guy. You don’t need to be a fan but a little positivity sure could help the mood in the stadium this week, realistically. Don’t get me wrong i absolutely love what you do, but it not always about the past facts and numbers, this is about now and a hometown boy getting a chance at stardom. Being un-bias is for ESPN not the Cardinals HOME page. It’s OK to be a Arizona fan and a professional journalist.

  127. By Darren Urban on Oct 7, 2010 | Reply

    D Ryans —

    RE: Rah-Rah part II

    I’ll say this — I get a chuckle at your thoughts considering many people commenting on this blog tend to tell me I am trying to be too positive and am not critical enough.

  128. By D ryans on Oct 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren don’t let their negativity bring you down they are probably 49er fans secretly trying to undermine our fan base. Keep up the good work, we do have the best Home page in the NFL, thanks in large part to you and your dedication. ie 10:30 posts. I am excited for the first time this year, i think Max has what it takes to make the playoffs this year. Just for the record I did tell you we would see Hall by week # 4 in San Diego and i was there at Qualcomm to see it. Only time will tell how this story ends.

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