A Hall push and the Rage

Posted by Darren Urban on October 14, 2010 – 11:16 am

Pretty quiet around here, as expected. The Big Red Rage will still go on as planned tonight, however, taping at 6 p.m. at Majerle’s in Chandler. Regular host Adrian Wilson is out because of the bye week, so it’ll be a local flavor, with two Mesa boys — quarterback Max Hall (Mesa Mountain View High School) and guard Deuce Lutui (Mesa High School) — as guests. If you can’t make it live, listen on Sports 620 KTAR, although it will be tape-delayed until after the Suns game.

Speaking of Hall, one final push for the Pepsi rookie of the week voting. You can vote at From what I heard, it’s a tight race, so Hall can use the support.

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34 Responses to “A Hall push and the Rage”

  1. By Javi on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    hey darren well yesterday at the chat you never got a chance to read my question which was “Do you believe that Max Hall can become the Cardinals leader and lead us to the superbowl?” well thanks!! answer my question plz


  2. By Darren Urban on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Javi —

    RE: Hall


  3. By Javi on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

  4. By Jason on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    Any chance the Cards go after Shawne Merriman?

  5. By Darren Urban on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Jason —

    RE: Merriman

    Doubt it.

  6. By Scott Cook on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    haha, great response Darren!

  7. By R Robles on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Hey darren any chance of a trade for Champ Bailey that would help alot they are picking on Toler alot that would solidify a good secondary No disrespect for Toler but hes getting there the pass rush aint helping out shout out to Dockett always rushing hard Branch Too

  8. By Prashant on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    Thanks for the updates.

    Sorry if you replied to this in the previous post (I couldn’t find one), but is Alacce (just learned his first name!) Schofield ready to practice next week? I know he can practice after Monday, but that makes sense only if he is 100%. Any update on that?

    Also, if he is unable to go this year, what happens? Do we have to cut him to free a spot on the roster and then hope nobody else picks him up to sign him to our practice squad?

    Finally, I am still so upset at how we have wasted a second round pick on Cody Brown. I know the draft is a crap-shoot, but still we could have picked up Michael Johnson (Bengals, 3rd round DE 2009) or Matt Shaughnessy (Raiders, 3rd round DE 2009) who have both been great additions to their respective teams. Oh well, time to move on (for me).

  9. By Darren Urban on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Prashant —

    RE: Schofield/draft

    You can play what-if with every draft. Not worth it.

    Schofield can practice as soon as next week but I’m not sure he will. As for his spot, he and Hayes have to be activated within a three-week window after they start practicing. If they aren’t, they have to be put on IR.

  10. By Dylan on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    R Robles you know toler has played better then DRC this year right what a idiot

  11. By Voice of Reason on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    At least Hall can complete more than 60% of his passes. If he’s smart (and he appears to be) and has just that level of accuracy, he’ll be fine in the NFC West.

    But I’d still bring in a vet and waive DA — we know what we have with him, and the thing we don’t is a playoff spot in January if Hall gets hurt.

    Geez — can’t believe I’m pinning my playoff hopes this year on a rookie free agent quarterback…

  12. By Voice of Reason on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Champ Bailey?


    While we’re on the subject of pipe dreams, I suggest we dig up Johnny Unitas circa 1960 — he’d definitely help us win the division.

  13. By TBru on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    The San Diego Chargers won’t be trading linebacker Shawne Merriman.

    They placed him on injured reserve today with a calf injury.

    For all effective purposes, Merriman won’t play for the Chargers again.

    The Chargers have signed linebacker Antwan Barnes to take Merriman’s roster spot.

    They placed him on injured reserve with a minor injury designation (less than six weeks), which means that Merriman has to be cut when he’s healthy.

    Merriman saw limited action in the season’s first five weeks. An Achilles injury forced him to miss the season opener in Kansas City.

    He suffered a calf injury at Seattle and missed the team’s victory over Arizona in Week 4. He re-injured his calf last week in Oakland.

  14. By andy on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Yeah, let’s get someone to help/replace the 2nd leading tackler on the team. I could be wrong, but didn’t you think that LaRod “wasn’t cutting it” last year?

  15. By Lone-Eagle on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    You say you doubt the Cards would pick up Merriman. Is there a reson why? Also with the trade deadline approaching, do you think ther is a chance they get rid of Anderson and possibly bring in a more viable vetern? One more thing, with Max being named the starter, isn’t it his job now to lose? I believe I read in an earlier blog that Coach Whiz said something about him not being the permanent starter? I mean, no one in this league is ever really permanent, but shouldn’t he have at least 4-6 weeks to prove he can do the job without looking over his shoulder?

  16. By Darren Urban on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Lone —

    RE: Questions

    With all due respect, I have answered both those first two questions, multiple times. As for Hall, he is going to get a long look.

  17. By Peter in Canada on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Darren- Were you around the film session/unofficial practice today? If so how many do you think showed up? Thankyou.

  18. By Darren Urban on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Peter —

    RE: Practice

    There were a handful of players. Nothing huge.

  19. By Zapp on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply


    With Gerald Hayes possible coming back soon who do see gettiing less playing time with his return after he gets back into shape.

  20. By Darren Urban on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Zapp —

    RE: Hayes PT

    I’d expect a kind of rotation based on sub-packages.

  21. By Jones from IL on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    I would like to Enria Jones get some real game catches. If something should happen to Stephen Williams, we will need him IMO

  22. By ras j on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    sorry to backtrack but i just had a thought about preparing for the saints game wen adub and dock were shutting up and playing.. with a player like porter on the team how did he take it.. was he his usual self in being vocal or did he follow the lead.. i hope that the D stays accountable for their own responsibilities and keeps up the high level of play.

  23. By Darren Urban on Oct 15, 2010 | Reply

    Ras J —

    RE: Porter

    I think Porter was his normal self. It’s not like he seeks out the media. He’s not going to blow them off though.

  24. By Lone-Eagle on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply

    Sorry Darren,
    I haven’t had time to read all the blogs. Try to do better next time! Enjoy your Bye week!!

  25. By Dre on Oct 15, 2010 | Reply

    It’s funny how the league shifts from year to year, one minute it’s a passing league the next defense is front and center.… The top three team in the NFL are…(1) The Jets (2) The Ravens (3) The Steelers. I ask myself how did these teams get to where they are now. Just by looking at the teams you got say defense has to be reason number one why they are on top of the leagues power ranking list. But what about the offenses? None of these teams are pass first offenses, so you can win in this league without a big name QB. Some could be considered balanced at best but the run game is the secret to their success.

    I brought up these teams for a couple of reasons. One and the most important is a very good defense of player just came available in Shawne Merriman. The first thing I hear from local sports writers is he likely isn’t a good fit for the cardinals. The second thing I hear is about money, like they are cutting checks around here. Heck, our starting QB is only making and I quote “Hall received a $5,000 signing bonus and has a salary of $320,000.”

    Shawne Merriman had major knee surgery two years ago which ended his ’08 season, he was 24 years old. Tom Brady had major knee surgery two years ago at age 31 and he is back doing what he does the best as we speak at the age of 33. And I hope I don’t hear anyone respond to this comment regarding Merriman knee injury because we drafted a player out of college who torn his ACL in O’Brien Schofield and probably won’t see any meaningful action until late November or December. And let me remind everybody that he still will be a rookie who will be going up against tackles in mid-season form.

    Shawne Merriman is 26 years old compared to our current starting OLBs in Haggans and Porter who are both 33 years old right now. We lost a 2nd round pick in Cody Brown, who was suppose to satisfy the pass rush need but he was cut…not playing in a single regular season game. Bertrand Berry retired at the age of 35 after 12 seasons; he had 5 and 6 sack his last couple of seasons. Haggans is in his 11th season and Porter is in his 12th season in the league, so we can probably guess what type of year they will have.

    We are currently ranked 27th in overall defense, 26th in passing and 28th in rushing defense. Just in case you don’t know, 27th is 6 spots from being worst in the league. But The Cardinals likely don’t view Merriman as a good fit…isn’t that the funniest thing you heard of. Just like Mike Vicks had to much baggage….humm I wonder what they are say now about Vick. The more I write about this situation the more I see how much we need Merriman here.

    We play the Vikes in a month and still have Denver and Dallas, who are at the top in the passing game. The 49ers twice and KC were we need to keep pressure on the QBs.

    Ask yourself how many times do a player come available like this. I could see if he was just cut like DA, from a team like DA’s old club, Cleveland Browns. This guy comes from a very good team who just happens to have one of the worst GMs in the game and no one wants to play for unless they are getting paid big bucks. The San Diego Chargers self imploded this year which should be their lost and our gain. So many teams are making moves to better themselves and it always seems like the Cards get left behind.

  26. By We'll miss Q on Oct 15, 2010 | Reply


    The reason Shawn Merrimen is available (in 6 weeks) is he is a shell of his former self. EVERYONE sees this except you and possibly some others on this board who just seem to think about who he WAS(before the injury oh and let’s not forget the STEROIDS). He has no speed anymore and can not stay on the field. There is ZERO chance the Cards pursue him.

  27. By card62 on Oct 15, 2010 | Reply


    Very good article on Merriman. I agree with you that I think we should take a serious run at him, and he would have to pass a physical for his contract to be valid so this would take care of the knee problem. If he does not want crazy money I say we get him as we should have plenty of money.

    I am so proud of the way our defense played against the Saints, but the Saints still moved the ball well and our front 7 are just not getting the job done. Merriman is a risk but one I would take and adding him and a healthy Hayes at LB could jump start our front seven. Our secondary is playing better than I was expecting and this with teams running on us and us not getting pressure on opposing QBs.
    GO Cards make a move or two please! The NFC is wide open this year.

  28. By Brad O'Neill on Oct 16, 2010 | Reply

    max hall did not deserve to win that award. I think the cardinals fans stole it for the guy.

    which is great, it just shows that the cards fans are really good homers.

    Congrats to the fans who have pushed their guy to the forefront.

    don’t get me wrong i am 100% behind this guy and i am still rooting for him to beat tom bradys fastest qb to 100 win record which he is on pace for. but come on lets wait to fuel his ego until he at least scores a touchdown.

  29. By Dre on Oct 16, 2010 | Reply

    We’ll miss Q–

    Re: Shawn Merriman

    Why not bring him in for the second half of the year (8 Games) to see what he has before we make up our minds. It is low risk, one of a kind situation that needs to be taken advantage of. We have all the pieces for him to come in and be productive without having to worry about doing too much. The Chargers probably have to pay him any guaranteed money in his contract since he reported and signed his tender. This might be the same situation T. J. Houshmandzadeh found himself in. The Ravens got him for the veteran league minimum 855k for the year. Seattle had to foot the bill from his previous contract. We need help with the pass rush and he needs a team…at least for the rest of 2010. We see what happens and then move forward accordingly.

    I ran across this article by Kent Somer yesterday. I noticed Bertrand Berry missed some games in his career as well. Kent wrote regarding Berry “He missed eight games in 2005 with a torn pectoral muscle, and he missed six games last year with a torn right triceps. Now, he’s facing the prospect of finishing a third straight season on injured reserve. The article was written in ’07. We probably should of cut him then…huh. I inserted a link just in case you can read or want to read it for yourself

    This is a win win situation if I ever saw one. Merriman is 6’4 265 OLB…imagine him on the same side as 6’8 300 Calais Campbell, that edge is set. Greg Toler and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie will benefit ultimately. In 2007 Antonio Cromartie had 10 Ints. as a direct result of Shawne Merriman pass rush…’08 when Merriman had his surgery, he only had 2.

    The reason why our corners play so far off the WRs is to not give up the big play and also because they have to hold their man longer then normal because we can’t put pressure on the quarterback. Pressure on the QB is the best pass defense there is “We’ll miss Q.” Q had his share of injuries also and wasn’t the fastest but he got the job done.

    Tom Brady couldn’t throw the deep ball his first year back from major knee surgery. He threw underneath to Wes Welker the whole year.

    Drew Brees didn’t resigned with the Chargers because of contract issues due to no confidence in him after his shoulder surgery. He signed with the Saints, nearly breaking Dan Marino’s record for most yards in a season in ‘08 and won the superbowl in ’09.

    The Chargers is one of those teams that just don’t make sense sometimes. The perfect example is drafting Eli Manning and trading for Phillip Rivers when they had Drew Brees. Eli Manning refused to go there because of maybe Archie Manning had some insight on AJ Smith…who knows but we know what happened. And best decision of them all was when they fired Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season. So, do you want to leave it up to San Deigo logic to go off of…I didn’t think so. Merriman is to young to fold on….

  30. By clssylssy on Oct 18, 2010 | Reply

    Look at the top three teams you named. Of course it’s about the money and the Cardinals don’t have any! We have talent but our players are some of the lowest paid in the NFL so it’s no wonder they leave for greener pastures after they’ve shown the entire NFL what they’re made of and what they can bring to the table. Alot of teams are looking at Shawn Merriman including the Saints so, no doubt he is going to land somewhere his contributions are recognized and he doesn’t have to work for chump change.
    Darren has spoken often how the Bidwell’s don’t have the deep pockets to bring in some of the players available so I’m wondering when this franchise is going to be run like a business instead of someone’s exotic hobby? The Packer fans can by stock in the franchise and the Dolphins have some deep pocket
    celebrities who are major stock holders. This has only served to be a win-win
    situation for everyone. Even in this economy when the average fan can barely afford to go to a game, there are enough resources in the valley that do have deep pockets and would probably jump at the chance to be part-owners.
    If the Cards want to run with the big dogs we’re going to have to pay the price.

  31. By aleksiza on Oct 18, 2010 | Reply


    I think you might have missed Dre’s point…that the Shawn M situation could be the same, money wise, as it was with T.J. in Seattle…Seattle really paid him while Cinci pays him the league minimum…

    it does seem that the Cards have, on many occasions, let go of players because of money issues or not signed players because of money issues…now, I am not in the organization to say that it really is because of money or just trying to show that we can develop players and bring them up from the ranks instead of spending big…

  32. By clssylssy on Oct 18, 2010 | Reply

    Perhaps we did have a misunderstanding…Dre was pondering how the top three teams 1)Jets 2)Ravens 3)Steelers got to be where they are…my point is that they are able to buy the players they need to make that possible and we’ve lost players (the retoric of reasons are creative) to such teams because of money issues. Q is putting up historic numbers now for the Ravens, Dansby is a key part of Miami’s upsetting GB…etc. It would be nice if they were here to do that for the Cards. Did you miss it when Warner and Fitz both offered to kick in to help pay Q to stay? Historically speaking, and you can check with Darren, we have not picked up players who have become available because of their price tag and not fitting into the Cardinal’s limited budget. Shawn Merriman is just one example of a player that other teams ARE looking at because he has something still left to contribute. Vincent Jackson is also available, and while he has baggage, as did Michael Vick, I’m wondering if he’s not going to go to Washington in a trade for Haynesworth; the Skins haven’t looked better in years!
    I think it’s great to develop talent from within but a team does need some veterans who aren’t afraid to play a little ole school smashmouth like you see with the Steelers, Ravens, Jets, and Redskins.
    We’ve won two Divisional Titles and a trip to the big dance under Coach Whisenhunt but he can only do so much and needs to be able to pay the price tag to compete and continue winning, which is what the fans now demand.

  33. By Drew on Oct 18, 2010 | Reply

    Darren how come the cards number one draft choice ia not starting yet?

  34. By Darren Urban on Oct 18, 2010 | Reply

    Drew —

    RE: Dan Williams

    Par for the course for this point in the season, i.e., DRC, Beanie.

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