Hall tries to rebound at practice

Posted by Darren Urban on October 27, 2010 – 2:15 pm

QB Max Hall said he was feeling fine today after coming back to practice after his concussion. He said he wasn’t worried about it despite two blows to the head in two games, and said he’s never had a concussion in the past.

He also said he wasn’t happy with how he played, which is obviously the focus in practice. “There are things I can fix, though, excited to prove I am better than that,” Hall said.

— Hall said he is considering gloves, although made it sound like it would be for bad weather games and not all the time.

— Linebacker Clark Haggans (groin) was the only player to not practice. WRs Steve Breaston (knee) and Early Doucet (groin), LB Joey Porter (groin) and CB Greg Toler (back) were limited.

— Coach Ken Whisenhunt didn’t make any announcements about the running back position, other than to say he expects both backs to be productive. “There are things that each guy does well,” Whisenhunt said. “As long as we are running the ball successfully, to me, that’s what is important.” He also said he didn’t think Tim Hightower had lost any confidence despite his fumbling issues.

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40 Responses to “Hall tries to rebound at practice”

  1. By Tyrelle on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Tim urks my nerves when he puts the ball on the ground. This team had better beat TB or its going to get real ugly.

  2. By carlo7000 on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    coach whisehunt explained the promotion of a.j jefferson from the practice squad and the consequent release of brandon macdonald

  3. By LadyCard04 on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    ESPN NFC West analyst has an article noting Max Hall’s “small hands”. Don’t they ever stop? First it was he was too short, now his hands are too small. I know hand size has some effect but they make it sound like he has freaky small hands. I haven’t noted that his hands are that small. Are they?
    Here’s the link:
    He had an earlier article saying Max was able to choose to use smaller balls in college and that is why he succeeded there even with his little hands.
    All I want is for the Cardinals to succeed and keep rooting for our qb, no matter who he is.

  4. By cardsfanx on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Get it right Max. Just do what you have to do to beat the Bucs. It’s one game at a time, one drive at a time, one play at a time. The rest will take care of itself.
    Now go out there and make the everybody look good.

  5. By MW on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    The handling of Beanie Wells on this team has been atrocious. Beanie Wells is an enforcer on the ground and can lead a team that is NOW DESIGNED (due to kurt warner’s offense) to win by running the football. Hightower fit well when we had a great passing offense, but now is simply a square peg being jammed in a round hole. Beanie Wells needs to be the keystone of our offense to open up play-action and reduce the predictability of our play-calling. It baffles me that we would draft a superior athlete in the FIRST FLIPPIN ROUND to sit him until the second quarter. It seems every analyst grasps this, yet whiz fails to.
    Darren- I know you have to be impartial towards either back, but even you must be wondering, “what on earth is taking place?”.

  6. By Darren Urban on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    MW —

    RE: Wondering

    No, not really. Of course, I have been in the camp of, if Beanie has twice the carries of Tim, what does it matter? I know many people don’t think that way.

  7. By brad oneill on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    our defense was so close to being back to healthy, it is terrible that we may have to go without Clark Haggans.

    i guess Schofield may end up getting his shot this year after all.

  8. By jocards on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Max Hall has got to play better or we’re in trouble. I know everybody scoffs at Morris saying the Bucs are the best team in the NFC, rightfully so but Tampa Bay is sitting at 4-2 and they are certainly capable of coming in and beating the Cardinals. We can’t turn the ball over like we have been or we’ll get whipped. The defense played well on Sunday, that’s the kind of effort we need. The offense has to produce something & the special teams (apologies to the Hyphen) can’t screw up like they did on Sunday. We need Max Hall to take a big step forward this weekend…that would go a long way toward really improving our situation.

  9. By Anthony on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply


    Not really related to this blog at all, but why doesn’t Whiz put Larod Stephens Howling back there to field punts? Roberts has struggled and Howling seems to do something exciting everytime he touches the ball.


  10. By Phoenixraven1 on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Dude this has been asked and answered so many times!

  11. By Phoenixraven1 on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Come on Hall show us why we are all rooting you on!

  12. By Big Red on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Just SKELTON when?

  13. By ross on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Beanie isn’t the second coming of jim brown.

    Both backs are solid backs.

    Right now, if TH wasn’t fumbling, he would be getting more carries than beanie.

    Tim has averaged 4.8 yards a carry the last two years!!!

    He is the rodney dangerfield of the league.

  14. By Kent on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    MW – If we are trying to Jam a square peg (Tim) into a round hole, then why is the “Square Peg” averaging over 2 yards per carry more than the supposed better fit in Beanie?

    Wells was stopped dead in his tracks vs Nawlins 34 yards on 20 carries. And he has a propensity to bounce runs outside that should be cut back inside through holes created by the interior of the OL. His tendency to bounce outside also leads to runs that lose 2 or 3 yards, putting the team in bad 2nd or 3rd and 13 situations that is never going to work.

    We have two good NFL runners on this team and we need to use both. We need to ride the hot hand. We need to make sure that we give each player 6-8 carries in the first half of a game then ride the player who has been better in the 2nd half.

    I understand what Whis wanted to do by getting Tim out of the game for the rest of it (Especially given it was 3-0 and we were marching), but a guy with 59 yards on 6 carries needs to be given another shot, even if Beanie managed to get some consistency going after a slow start.

    All in all I just want to see us pass the ball 20-25 times and tote the rock with our three backs (Lets not forget the spark that LSH provides) 35-40 times in a game. Give our D some rest (Currently this season they have spent the longest time on the field per game), and judging by our offensive rankings which rank in the bottom 5 for pretty much everything bar YPC, we need to move to the ground.

  15. By Edward on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Thought “Out-Side The Box”Incorporating Wild Cat offense where LaRod takes direct snap and if no day-light hits Ben Patrick on a slant route!A)LaRod Stephens-Howling best kept secret in AZ Offense, and B)Tight End is the “Secret Weapon”..,and Coach Whizenhunt knows this dating back to his playing days..,but he refrains from this approach perhaps because the Offensive Coordinator gets paid to “Stratagize” in a-forementioned format!

  16. By TucsonTim on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    T.J. McCreight on the hot seat yet for all of the Browns acquisitions?

    Moving A-dub up into the box to support our LB corps was a great move. Davis’s idea or Henderson?

    Don’t you think it’s odd that McFadden looked so below average last year and now he’s part of the best defense in the NFL. That’s got to be coaching.

    Will Folsom be able to tell the Cards anything about the Bucs that we don’t already know from studying the film….I know too many questions. BTW can’t wait for your response to Anthony

  17. By Gazpacho on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply


    Measuring at 9″, Max Hall’s hands were in a three-way tie for smallest at the NFL Combine with Zac Robinson (Oklahoma State) and Jimmy Clausen (Notre Dame). The eventual #1 pick, Sam Bradford measured at 9 1/2″, which was about average at the combine, but certainly not earth-shattering. Tim Tebow was the behemoth at 10 1/8″. Interestingly, Mel Kiper thought Jimmey Clausen was worthy of a top five pick, and a possible “franchise” quarterback, even given his “diminutive” hands.

    Hall’s every shortcoming will be heavily scrutinized, especially given his undrafted and therefore “sports media unapproved” status. I’m certainly not suggesting that I know whether or not Hall has what it takes to succeed at this level. One fact that cannot be forgotten is that he is a rookie and like all rookie QB’s, will be prone to deliver poor performances like the one in Seattle. I will be rooting for him going forward, and perhaps brighter days a to come.

    B.T.W. I know this is sacrilege, but did anyone else notice that Larry Fitzgerrald dropped two passes that he should, and likely always would catch on Sunday? Perhaps that wet, heavy ball was bothering him a little bit too.

  18. By TucsonTim on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Kent –

    If Timmy doesn’t turn the ball over and we run the ball down the throats of the 2nd best run defense in the NFL, then you play from a lead and you take the crowd out of it. It’s a totally different game.

    TH needed to step up and help out his rookie QB. If he didn’t block so well he’d be gone.

    When you watch replays of Beanie I agree that he has made some bad choices. I’m sure Robinson and Whiz know that. Other than getting more carries and more experience I don’t see how you hope for that to get better. When Beanie does hit a hole he’s explosive and even I can tell that.

  19. By epictell on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Ok supposed “fans” here’s the deal. First, Hall is NOT Aaron Rogers, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. Even if he is ALL those guys were either horrible their first season or behind a hall of famer that could show them the ropes. UNDRAFTED ROOKIE! We need to stick with this guy all season not take him out everytime he starts dropping off. No playoff contender goes back and forth between QBs. It just doesn’t make sense. Let the kid play out the season and we’ll go from there. If a Vick or some great QB becomes available we’ll look then. But we can’t keep waivering between Max-imus and DA. If we do, then we all fail.

    Second, we have an amazingly talented backfield. TH, Beanie, LSH and Wright are all great backs. I am a huge Beanie fan, but I wouldn’t say he outshines the rest. He has fumbling probs too. I would put LSH againist CJ2K in a race anyday and TH/Wright run through ppl. Beanie is a powerhouse that not only bulldozes but carries multiplt defenders with him.

    Anyways, try being real fans AZ. And if you don’t like what @cardschatter is saying on twitter then don’t read it. Threats only get you blocked.

  20. By epictell on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    PS Great job Darren. Pay no attention to the haters

  21. By Cardscat4L on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz’s play calling baffles me sometimes. Put it on the run game more with quick short passes to open up the long ball. They talk about how big the OL is well lets see it.

  22. By Edward on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    You said it!..,Epictell..,”If your’e not part of the solution(complainers), then you are part of the problem!” Rally around Number “6” cause Kurt Warner defied naysayers in regard to “13” and so will Max Hall in regard to his number!

  23. By Jones from IL on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    OK I be dreamin’ but – I wish Max could do some work with Warner on the side – to give Max some insights to the pro game that Warner learned over his long career. Watch some film where Warner could point out – look in this situation you are going to have to do so and so and here’s how to do a quick release. Talent plus private lessons – that would work IMO

  24. By Nick Pepe on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    @ Epictell and Edward…right there with you. I think we have “playmakers” on both side of the ball and when it all clicks, we will be a very dangerous football team.

  25. By AndyStandsUp on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    “Hall tries to rebound at practice.”

    I knew the Suns were desperate to replace Stoudemire, especially after last night, and another bad outing could have Max looking for another profession, but that’s reaching a bit.
    What’s next, Joey Porter practicing his slap shot?

  26. By Cardsfan50 on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    I think the problem with Tim is he has to kearn to keep his emotions under control and level. If memory serves, most of his fumbles have come after something really good happened for him or the team and got him real excited. Last week after a very good gain he was jumping up and down, etc. On his next carry it was clear he was trying to do too much again–playing out of control and swinging the ball instead of keeping it tight against his body. When the defenders punched the ball it came out easily. This set the tone for the run game from then on.

    He has had this fumbling problem since college and I can’t see why some coach somewhere hasn’t made him pay for getting out of control when it first happens by taking him out rather than waiting a few plays till he fumbles the ball. Whiz ought to tell him the next time the coaches see him being too emotional he comes out of the game until he calms down and gets under control.

    Tell Tim to watch Fitz, how he gives the ball to the ref and saves his celebrating for endzone plays.

  27. By Ricky on Oct 27, 2010 | Reply

    DAN BICKLEY had a very good piece in today’s (27th) sports section of the
    AZ Repuliic on the QB situation. For anyone who hasn’t read his article it would, in my opinion, be worth doing. Especially those who see Hall as a harbinger of doom & gloom for the Cardinals.

    Epictell, Eward, Nick Pepe……..Count me in too!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jones from IL – I was just thinking today that Max ought to give Kurt W. a call and see if he’d be willing to share some thoughts with him. I bet he would.

  28. By Eazy E on Oct 28, 2010 | Reply

    Tim Hightower!!!

  29. By redredred on Oct 28, 2010 | Reply

    Whisenhunt knows what he’s doing with Max, he knows QB’s (period)
    Roethlisberger wasn’t built in a day. I think this season has been extremely exciting to watch, listen too and read about. Keep it up Cardinals players and staff greatness is building up!!!!

  30. By cardsalltheway on Oct 28, 2010 | Reply

    Brian Billick(former Ravens head coach and Super Bowl winner) is a quarterback expert and says…”In two games, I haven’t seen anything from Max Hall that tells me he’s ready to play in this league. Derek Anderson gives the Cardinals a better chance to win right now.”

    Brain Billick will again be announcing this weeks Cardinal/Tampa game.

    I’m no D. Anderson fan but he’s better than M. Hall simply b/c he can see down the field and can take more punishment. However, I’d like to see J. Skelton before D.A. I don’t care OTA’s and summer camp, only games. Put Skelton in the game!

  31. By BigtymerAZ on Oct 28, 2010 | Reply

    DA is the only way to go for quarterback. Max Hall is horrible, he has no chance. DA has signs of potential and may have a streak if given the lead. If Whistenhunt is looking for “Moxy”, then he should take a dose of daily Cialis. DA is our only chance to make the playoffs. If DA connects with Fitzgerald, we will win. Max has no arm and no chance!!!!!

  32. By ross on Oct 28, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, how are tim and beanie dividing up the workload in practice?

  33. By Darren Urban on Oct 28, 2010 | Reply

    Ross —

    RE: Workload

    As I have mentioned before, stuff at practice is off-limits to be reported upon, unless Whisenhunt talks about it.

  34. By ross on Oct 28, 2010 | Reply

    Oops, sorry D.

  35. By Richard S on Oct 28, 2010 | Reply

    I read today on one of the online sites that Ron Jaworski, ex QB said he’d watched tape of all Hall’s passes and he says he don’t have it basically. That he throws at the feet of the receivers or behind them and that in turn from the tape he watched the receivers seem disinterested not finishing their routes or whatever. I never saw Leinart look that bad ever and I saw his first start against KC.

  36. By cardsalltheway on Oct 29, 2010 | Reply

    Richard S.,
    Here is the link to read the article on Jaws and listen to him…,-says-Fitzgerald-likely-to-leave/

    I sure hope the Cards coach reads/listens to Jaws and Brian Billick, since he doesn’t seem to listen to many of the fans. The Cards coach has such an easy job, all he has to do is listen to others when he’s too late to make moves himself. But of course he probably won’t listen thus making his job more difficult all by his lonesome.

  37. By Mike Ellingboe on Oct 29, 2010 | Reply


    Since you seem to like links, you may want to read this one for a little history about Billick’s QB “expertise.”

  38. By Mike Ellingboe on Oct 29, 2010 | Reply

    To the rest who see Jaworski’s review of Hall as the final and only word on Max Hall’s career potential, do you agree with this review of Peyton Manning?

    There is a reason head coaches don’t listen to outside opinons, even ones that in theory should be more qualified than they are.

  39. By Greg Toler Advocate on Oct 29, 2010 | Reply

    I watched Colt McCoy run a route and make a 13 yard reception last week while waiting for Cards Kick-Off! LaRod Stephens-Howling I’m sure can complete a short throw in a wild cat formation and if “Daylight”presents itself then why not “Forrest Gump” it! Seriously, Max Hall can be a “Worthy” option if Ben Patrick gets more touches and believe me..,Whisenhunt knows this as a Tight End in his playing days..,but is reluctant to incorporate this into gameplan for reasons only he knows of which! Guess this makes me a BEN PATRICK ADVOCATE!

  40. By Mike Ellingboe on Oct 29, 2010 | Reply


    Where did you get the idea that Hightower has had a fumbling problem since college? He doesn’t have a recorded lost fumble during his four years at Richmond.

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