No QB decision yet

Posted by Darren Urban on November 1, 2010 – 11:42 am

Coach Ken Whisenhunt said he hasn’t made a decision on who is starting quarterback will be against Minnesota this week and doesn’t know when he will make it. He wants to watch the video with the team first and start game-planning for Minnesota. “We will move forward from there,” he said.

Clearly, rookie Max Hall remains in the mix. How heavily he will be considered is an unknown.

— Whisenhunt didn’t have a lot of injury info (he meets with team doctors after the media). The running back position is the one that has to be watched, after both Beanie Wells (back) and LaRod Stephens-Howling (ribs) were banged up yesterday. Whiz also isn’t sure if the Cards will be able to get linebacker Clark Haggans (groin) back yet.

— He called his decision to forego the field goal at the end of the first half a “calculated decision,” thinking even if it failed, the Cards’ defense would hold and the Cards could at least get back the field goal right before the half. The killer was when the Bucs were basically staying conservative on the first third-and-6 play with the run and the Cards still surrendered a first down to back LeGarrette Blount.

— Whiz insisted the lack of touches for running back Tim Hightower was simply a function of how the game developed (and not some kind of message after his fumbles) and said the Cards must involve Hightower more.

OK. Headed down to the locker room. I’ll have a story up later today.

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81 Responses to “No QB decision yet”

  1. By carlo7000 on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    in this moment he doesn know also what play offense to call

  2. By NYCARDSFAN on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I dont know about everyone else, but what is starting to frustrate me is KNOWING that we have the talent to be 6-1 or 7-0, but we arent. Things just dont seem to be coming together. Its so hard to watch a game these days and see the Cardinals beat themselves and give away wins. Come on guys! Lets do this!

  3. By Edwin on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Well its seems we have reached a pivotal point for the rest of the season.
    we have a balanced team when it comes to defense and special teams , but the offense has no dependant thrower at QB and that is going to hurts us.
    as good as our defense can be is pretty much how good the team will be and thats a shame cus we potentially can be a dominant team in the NFC but again like i said we dont have a dominant quarteback that can drive the offense to at least 3 TD per game. and yet i do think we can be competitive!!!

    Darren, how do you see the rest of the season playin out with the inconsistant quarteback play?

  4. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Edwin —

    RE: Rest of the season

    I could still see this team winning nine games given the schedule. I could also see them winning seven.

  5. By Tucsonaaron on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply


    Now that Randy Moss got waived…
    Lol j/k but I think we have to stick with DA at this point. That was a horrible pick late but Hall is just not ready. It seems like DA is grasping the offense a little more as we go through the season. This division is still open and his experience may help down the stretch. Your thoughts?

  6. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Tucsonaaron —

    RE: QBs

    I think Hall is swimming a bit. So I go with DA mostly to let Hall learn by watching.

  7. By Birdlegs on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    We need an OC more than a QB. And that’s saying something.

  8. By Ben on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    “was simply a function of how the game developed”

    This seems to be Whiz’s excuse for every decision he makes during a loss. Maybe he should do the opposite how he thinks the game is being developed.

    Bottom Line, Whiz needs an FULL TIME OC, so he can focus on discipline and game management, two areas where this team needs him. Playcalling needs much less of his time…

  9. By Shooter McGavin on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    ESPN reporting that Randy Moss has been released from the Vikings. That has to help our chances next week.

    But where does he end up? Someone will take him.

  10. By Jones from IL on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Did we really have to pass on the last DA interception. There was plenty of time left on the clock to AT LEAST go far enough for a field goal to tie the game. Kudos to the team for fighting back – we again beat ourselves. 2 bad calls by the coach – should have kicked that field goal at the end of the 1st half, and the risky throw that ended up as an intereception at the end of the game – love ya coach, but those were 2 big mistakes that cost us the game.

  11. By Barry on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I’ve been trying to be optimistic about this season but, I have a lack of faith in either QB at this point. Neither has a passing percentage above 60% and that is horrible. Fitz is getting frusterated and its well deserved..The inconsistancies of both these guys is a problem. We can’t expect the defense to score for the rest of the season and makeup for the offenses troubles. Are there ANY free agents (QB)out there that we could get and drop someone off the team? Yes, I know the offesive scheme plays into all of this but, at this point I can’t see us being any more hurt by picking up… some “joe” of the street to play.

    disressed Cards fan,

  12. By Gary on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    The Vikings game should go like this – only because it’s an away game:

    #1. Derek starts (it sucks but he has the most experience).

    #2. In the 2nd quarter, put Hall in (we don’t want Derek playing too long and will help mix things up).

    #3. After half-time, Big John gets his shot the rest of the game (this is to prep him for game-time action in order for him to start at home in week 10).

    This is the only logical way I can see this now. The Cards cannot afford to play Derek and Max more than one quarter, or else they screw things up. Plus, there is no pressure on Big John coming out after half-time because we’ll be down by 14 points anyway. He’ll get an opportunity for two quarters to get in sync with the wideouts and handle some play-calling (that’s if Whiz just gives him the reins, which he should because Skelton could probably call them better from the field). Chances are, he’ll pull out the come-back win!

    Then, week 10 at home against Seattle, Big John gets his first start…and first win!!! I have the utmost confidence this guy can do better than what we have now. And, if he doesn’t, well at least we know what to use our first-round draft pick for…LOL!

    Much of this is wishful thinking, but it never hurts to dream…hope…win…something…

  13. By SkyeBird on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Big Daddy Mo needs to have a seat at the table here. Yes, the team is facing some difficult personnel and strategical issues, and the opposition will use that to their best interest.

    But, once you have a powerful thing like Big Daddy Mo, then even the weakest of teams, can prevail!

    Who IS Big Daddy Mo? Who is this powerful entity? Big Daddy Mo is “momentum”! Big Daddy Mo, once you know and can feel him on your team, you cannot be defeated.

    Never let him go viisting to the opposition.. keep him on the home bench, keep him at the table, and keep him as the privileged seat at every game, the relative of every fan and ever player who live for Cardinal success.

    We all need to get Big Daddy Mo on our coaching staff, we need to get Big Daddy Mo on the team, we need to get Big Daddy Mo in with the fan base..

    Big Daddy Mo! We are ready to Go! We do this together!

  14. By beenwithufromthebeginning on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply


  15. By bryan on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Bet the whole locker room wish Matt was still there.

  16. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Bryan —

    RE: Leinart

    I’ll take that bet.

  17. By Rich on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    We want to hear him say DA is the qb until we are out of the playoff hunt! That’s what the majority want to hear him say ! He is so stubborn ! Thjat stubborness is what lost him the Steelers head coaching job. Come on Whiz !

  18. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Rich —

    RE: Whiz decisions

    You do realize this is not a democracy, correct?

  19. By Jason on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I say go with Hall. Let him try to work it out if possible. Anderson is at his best when in relief so if he does have to come in we know he has about 4-5 good throws in him before the wheels fall off.
    We could also go with a 2 QB system. Let DA get us to the red zone and then bring Hall in for the goal line stuff. 🙂
    Its a shame about yesterday because it started off so well. The Defense was swarming and Hall looked good on that first TD drive.

  20. By cardcat4L on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    The Cardinals can find themselves at the bottom of the division real quick if they cant make the right decision on QB. Max Hall is a rookie and hasn’t played a full game. D.A is inaccurate and a poor decision maker. Maybe D.A will wake up and not force it to Fitz. This is a tough one.

  21. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I don’t advocate playing Skelton this year, but that doesn’t mean he can’t learn a lot by watching Anderson and Hall struggle. If he’s good, he won’t repeat a lot of the mistakes Anderson and Hall are making in their preparation and play.

  22. By Ross on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    You the man Darren.

  23. By darrel on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren when will KW make. A final decision on qb I really think he needs to make. A starter for the rest of the season. Or do you not this happening

  24. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darrel —

    RE: QB for season

    Unless a player plays consistently decent, he’s not getting the “he’s my man for the rest of the season” tag.

  25. By Ron on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply


    Why not start Skelton and see what he can do. I mean you can’t do any worse than the two QB’s that started, beside you don’t have any choices unless you go out there and find a great QB like Kurt. Whiz should look in the arena football the QB’s there are not afraid scrambling like, Vic.What do you think? BTW the Cards defense is great.

  26. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Ron —

    RE: Skelton

    If he plays, what would you expect?

  27. By Nick on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I’d expect nothing less than what we are receiving now from DA or MH, so why not give Skelton his “shot”, I mean we did use a pick in the draft for him didn’t we?

  28. By Ron on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply


    That’s what they said about Kurt Warner when he took over as the Rams QB. And, Green Bay Packers head coach then was Mike Holmgren waived Warner because he thinks he is useless. At least try this Skelton, either way you have a dead end road.

  29. By Casey on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    RE: QB Situation


    Doesn’t seem like there is much of a decision to make at QB between Anderson and Hall unless Whiz finally decides that he is simply going to run a ball control offense with run plays favoring pass plays at least 60/40 (in which case, maybe you make an argument for Hall; otherwise, Anderson is the only QB on this roster capable of moving an offense down the field).

    That said, is it just me or does it seem like receivers (and RB’s running routes) get killed/injured with Anderson at QB? I’m not a coach/scout, but it appears that DA stares down his receivers, allowing the DBs to get a jump on many of the patterns and resulting in violent collisions when the ball arrives. So while I do think DA gives this team the best chance to be productive through the air, I also think his tendency to put his receivers in harm’s way is a major concern.

    Secondly, can we expect an apology from Cardinals’ management/ownership (a la Jerry Jones) for the QB situation (i.e., not offering enough to land Whitehurst, apparently having no interest in McNabb, announcing “no interest at this time” in Bulger once he was released and DA had already been signed, not drafting a QB sooner than the 5th Round, cutting Matt Leinart, not bringing in another QB to date to at least compete- Edwards/Culpepper/Garcia/etc.)? If not an apology, do you think an interview with Rod Graves might help the fans gain some insight into the thinking/planning around the transition from Kurt Warner to a new QB?

    As many have pointed out, the handling of the QB situation has the risk of setting the Cardinals back several years, if not only for the direct impact on winning and fan interest today, also for the impact losing Larry Fitzgerald would have for years to come. I think a debacle of these proportions minimally warrants an interview between you and Rod Graves. If the situation doesn’t improve in the months and year(s) ahead, perhaps someone loses his job, but for now, I think accountability from the fans and media in the form of demanding further explanation is necessary.

    It’s just difficult for me to believe that even as miserly as they can be, the Bidwills were willing to save +/- $3 million by not also signing Marc Bulger as additional insurance for DA/Leinart not panning out. Something tells me that was a Graves/Whisenhunt decision, not necessarily something dictated by ownership.

    Also, I think more probing questions from you and your colleagues regarding play calling is a reasonable expectation of fans. Has Whiz just not been able to identify someone he trusts as much as he apparently did Haley during ’08? Or does he truly feel that the Cardinals are in a better situation than they were in ’08 (with Haley calling plays) with the Head Coach calling plays and making critical game management decisions.

    I actually don’t have a problem going for it on 4th and 2 in the first half (although I didn’t like the play call and how rushed all of it was- a timeout should have been called to get things in order), but like many other fans, I have a huge problem with throwing the ball on 1st and 10 from the 20 with over 2 minutes to go in the game and both of your timeouts remaining.

    Here’s the problem- even if that play to Fitzgerald works like we would all hope, you’ve either scored a TD or moved the ball to inside the 5-yeard line with 2+ minutes and the 2-minute warning to go. And you’ve already seen that your defense is totally gassed with Blount ripping off 5 to 10-yard runs and TB WRs running right by your secondary.

    Throwing in that situation is just poor, poor game management. You run on 1st down and see what that leaves you on 2nd down. If you get 3+ yards on 1st down, you run it again on 2nd down (if not, you go with a short, safe pass- WR screen); then on 3rd down, hopefully you have 3rd and 5 or less and you have the option of running again or going with a safe pass. Worst case scenario, you’ve run time off the clock and can kick a FG to hopefully force OT. Best case scenario, you get another 1st down, move closer to the goal line and are continuing to run clock (time was not an issue for AZ with the 2 timeouts remaining).

    Whiz can blame Anderson all he wants, but that was just inexcusable play calling for that type of game situation. He talks about players not understanding game situation- he is the one who didn’t understand game situation- my wife (a very novice football fan)- was sitting there yelling at the TV, “please don’t throw it, please don’t throw it.” Even she is instinctual enough to understand that the risk/reward trade-off in that scenario does not warrant a throw on 1st & 10.

    Again, I’m not saying you’re not playing for the win there rather than the FG and tie – but you sure as heck aren’t trying to do it on 1st down with over 2 minutes to go in the game- too risky (INT) for the reward (a 4-point lead while still giving TB +/- 2 mins for a game winning drive).

    At some point, this coach needs to be held accountable for his part in the QB debacle and with game management (including the duties of play calling being held by the head coach). The front office owes fans a better explanation- going back a year or two- regarding the succession planning for Kurt Warner.


  30. By Scott H on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Given the choice between Hall and Anderson right at this moment, I say give me a thrid option! But seriously…Hall just does not look anywhere near ready but I’m not ready to pull the plug on him. I’ll take rolling with Hall to see where it leads over going back to Anderson. Sorry, but we know where Anderson’s ceiling is and he is NOT going to get us where we’d like to go. He gave a little spark coming off the bench the last two weeks, but to what end? The team lost both games and it was an interception off a bad decision that HE made that ended the game for us yesterday. C’mon, man. Ya know what? I don’t want to hear about Anderson anymore. WHAT IS HE DOING ON THE BENCH IN THE FIRST PLACE??? He’s there because of his own poor play. Period. Why are we going back to that?

    Barring a remarkable turnaround by Hall, it seems inevitable that we’ll be taking a look at Skelton at some point. Again, give me that instead of going back to Anderson.

    And, finally, weren’t we supposed to be running the ball so much more this year??? Where’s THAT been??? Regardless of who is at QB, it sure would be nice if we could stay in games long enough for the running game to keep the pressure off the QB. Eight weeks in, and we haven’t seen that yet.

    In regard to other QB-related issues, I hope all of the McNabb fans are ready to give it a rest after he was benched by the Redskins late in the game yesterday because they had no confidence in him running a two-minute drill. Funny how it only took the Redskins eight games to figure that out after it took the Eagles 12 years! It looks like the Eagle that we want right now is Michael Vick!

  31. By redredred on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I think with the QB situation (the growing pains post kurt) the cards have done better then expected and Coach is right the Team will be outstanding moving forward. 3-4 at this stage with all thats gone on is really not bad. With a two game loss now, I predict the cards go on a 5 game win streak lossing 2 in a row again then winning the last two (10-6). The Division is Up for grabs tho between the Cards and (Rams, go figure).

  32. By Peter in Canada on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Casey – No matter how you look at it all the QB’s you mention were being dumped by their teams so it was a matter of picking the right one. Anderson seemed o.k. at the time. He was signed as a backup. The coaches thought they could work with him to get him back to his ’07 form and it was Leinart’s team and Skelton was the QB of the future. The problem was Leinart. His fall from favour was far too sudden and nobody is telling the true story. Maybe Darren doesn’t know and maybe he does but isn’t telling us. Maybe the truth will never come out.They were left with no fallback option other than DA and 2 rookies. Culpepper/Edwards are a joke; you don’t think they would be an upgrade? Unfortunately DA hasn’t been effective and here we are. I am inclined to think it was bad luck or bad timing and give the coaches the benefit.

  33. By Tim H on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply


    Looking at the QB’s right now do you see the Cards possibly looking at trading for a QB down the road lets say Maybe Kolb or giving Skelton a chance if Anderson or Hall keep messing up their oportunities?

  34. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Tim H —

    RE: QB

    That’s all offseason stuff and with more than a half of season to go, impossible to understand the landscape yet.

  35. By Richard S on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Put Hall on the practice squad. I predict no one will take him. Let’s play our backup QB from years past. What was his name, Bolin or Bodin or some name like that.

  36. By MATT.R on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    i don’t think hall is ready for starting QB,we need DA back in the starting spot

  37. By lajames1999 on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I figure we need to give Skelton a fair share at becoming the starting QB. We know that DA and Max Hall both suck so we need to move on down the line. Or at least try to get a QB from the UFL or through a trade. The season is still salvageable. Whiz needs to get an OC to help him. I agree that the past two years was all about Kurt Warner and Whiz was not a part of the success…

  38. By ross on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Seriously, you are the man. Maybe you should be qb?

  39. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Ross —

    RE: Me as QB

    Too old. Too slow. No arm strength. And too busy answering Twitter/blog questions.

    Although people rave about my pocket presence.

  40. By Billy Thomas on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply


    You know, it sounds absolutely crazy, but I think someone had it right on here. Max is fantastic on the short throws, but he can be terrible throwing it with a wide open field. Derek is terrible at throwing the touch throws on short fields, but he can be fantastic at throwing with open fields. I know it sounds insane, but can you see something like this occurring where Derek leads the offense to the redzone and Max runs the redzone plays? I mean, other than that, can either QB really be counted on all of the time?

  41. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Billy —

    RE: QB Platoon

    Just can’t see it working.

  42. By cards62 on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Cassy and Peter in Canada – Excellent Posts.
    To all fellow Cardinal Fans – Way to stay in the game and keep caring about the team and writing your opinions. I am impressed with the number and quality of posts.
    I am actually proud of our team as guys they could have easily have folded up camp like they did in the Atlanta and San Diego games. Those games are unacceptable, but this one is a good game and I am sorry fans but this is who the Cardinals are in 2010. This is not what we signed up for this summer, but this is who we are in 2010 and we have Graves and Whisenhunt to thank for this situation along with our players, but mostly it is on Graves and Whisenhunt.
    I think from now and next season will say a lot about Graves and even more about Whisenhunt and if he is a great coach or a coach who got lucky with Todd Haley and Kurt Warner. I for one am hoping he was the key, but like the rest of you will keep my eyes open. I do have a few questions for you fans, First can any of you tell me what our offensive strategy is? My thoughts are I think we should use all 3 RBs and try to run the ball and throw in play action.
    Second – Why doesn”t Rod Graves make Ken Whisenhunt hire an OC? I agree all of our QBs are just bad right now in their careers, but man our play calling is even worse. (Todd Haley loved to throw the ball, but in KC they primarily run the ball, best in the league with Matt Cassel at QB) Matt Cassel is not great but who on this board will not take him over any of our QBs.
    How do you guys think that D. Dockett is playing this year?
    My conclusions from the Tampa Bay Game
    Whisenhunt should have kicked the field goal in the first half. This is football 101. Derek Anderson is a bad bad QB. I agree that we should have ran on 1st down, but as a QB you throw that ball in the cheap seats, and did you see him get LSH killed and that throw was on 1st down and he did not have pressure to throw the ball at that moment. Sam Bradford is already smarter and understands the game better than Derek Anderson.
    Max Hall is a worse QB right now than Derek Andereson. I admit I was one of those fans calling to put Max in. I have seen Max and he is not ready, probably never ready but definitley not ready now.
    John S. must not be developing right now to be 3rd string behind these 2 so we should play Anderson and trust me I hate Anderson and never wanted him on our team (See my previous posts.) but I would play Anderson now.

    My thoughts on what we should do to make the playoffs in 2010.
    Trade a late round draft choice for McNabb immediately and start him immediately and be a running team first 60/40. Cut Max Hall
    In the offseason I sign a young QB or draft a QB in the first round to be our QB of the future maybe start as early as 2011. McNabb becomes my backup like Kerry Collins in Tennessee and I cut Derek Anderson.
    I keep John Skelton and hope he develops, and I have a situation in the future like Philly had at QB in 2010.

    What I think we will do in 2010. Nothing. We will keep rotating between the 3 QBs we have and not develop an offensive personality or offensive strategy and just keep winging it. If no further injuries I think our front seven on defense will play better making our secondary play even stronger. We will not make the playoffs and we will finish 3rd or last in our division. Sorry but I am an old guy who stopped drinking kool aid many years ago. I will keep rooting for the Cardinals and hoping that I am wrong on the remainder of the season, but once again I feel so bad for the season ticket holders.

    My final thoughts on Leinart and then never to be discussed again by me as I have written on Matt Lenart a lot. I have never been a fan of Matt but I also did not dislike him and I believed in our coach and front office when they said Matt is our starter for 2010 so I said okay lets see what Matt has in 2010 and have the questioned answered once and for all if he is our QB of the future.
    Like most of you and with more anger than most of you I have hated the way our QB situation was handled this year and how we handled Matt.
    I have thought something for months and hate to bring it up, but Peter in Canada touched upon what I was thinking. Graves and Whisenhunt thinking has been logical in assembling our team over the years. Not perfect evaluations but none of us would be, but their thinking is logical. The Matt Leinart handling is crazy so like Peter I wonder what are we not being told. I can only remember one other situation like this and it involved Buddy Ryan and Chris Carter of Philly. Buddy cut him and said all he can do is catch touchdowns. I thought that was a big part of the game so I thought Buddy was and idiot, but years later we find out from Chris Carter he was cut because of his drug problem and Buddy did him a favor in turning around his life. I also think why would Matt sign on so quickly with Houston? Why would Matt not wait and see which QB goes down with injury and then sign with that team so that he can play this year. Matt Leinart lovers please do not write me as I am not saying Matt has any problems I am just thinkng out loud. What are we not being told? GO Cards


  43. By Darthcard on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Anderson should start until/if the cards are out of contention. He may or may not be the answer but he certainly isn’t lost like hall. The bugs would have absolutely destroyed us if Anderson didn’t come in. I’m A1 on the John helter Skelton crew and I can’t wait for his 1st start but something in my gut is saying ( they are molding him the right way). Be patient card fans.

  44. By brad oneill on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    ha ha ha darren on the pocket presence. nice.

    ps i think that idea about a rod graves interview is a good one.

    go on risk your career ask the tough questions!!

    Darren- has the organization considered bringing in an oc.

    Rod- No but we considered bringing in a new blogger. get with the program son.

  45. By Ross on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren thanks for Tim’s reaction in that piece. That guy impresses me with everything he does, except fumbling.

    I hope whiz actually lets him earn his job back. He is good enough to do so if he can overcome the fumbles (big if).

  46. By Big Red on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    The answer to save the season would be Skelton. It wouldn’t hurt if he messes up, what do we have to lose. It couldn’t get any worst then what it is already. This kid is amazing when he gets it going, coach please get him in there. You won’t regret it. Take a hard look inside his mind, his special. Forget Hall, we saw he can’t cut it and all the fans that seat where I seat are all piss and screaming for Skelton. Please coach, at least give him a chance before its to late.

  47. By Jim in Missouri on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, thanks again for all you do.

    I have a question that you may or may not be comfortable answering: What grade would you give for the coaching staff and front office for the overall handling of the QB position during this previous offseason and season?

    It seems like ever since Warner retired, every single decision they’ve made about the QB spot has blown up in their face. I realize the coaches/front office people aren’t on the field making the plays, but they are the ones that blew the evaluation process on Leinart (for keeping him as long as they did), and Anderson (arguably), and this “coaching them up” that they talked about with Anderson and Hall is nowhere to be found.

    For a position group to be as much of a complete train-wreck as this one has been, without any injury excuses, either the evaluation process or the on-field coaching has to be examined, I would think.

    Has there ever been any hint from Whiz or Graves that they are willing to accept some of the blame for how things are going?

  48. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Jim —

    RE: Grade

    Believe it or not, I didn’t even do grades back in my newspaper life. They never tell the whole story, one way or the other.

    As for the process, I have never heard of any public blame acceptance. But I know, at least from Whiz’s perspective, they made the moves they felt were right at the time. Obviously, they didn’t work out. But he’s never been a hindsight-kind-of-guy.

  49. By Keith on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Nobody notes Max got blindsided just as he released the first int, not a decision issue, rather protection.

  50. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Keith —

    RE: Hall hit

    Actually, given the defense, Hall actually missed his quick hot read and never should have had the ball that long. So indeed, it was a decision issue.

  51. By James on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply


    When is whisenhunt gunna stop acting like all is good and making excuses i think a lot of people here would be willing to give up a couple of draft picks fro someone like kolb who has a future if not say bye bye fitz


  52. By Gary on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    What do you think about the team running out of the wildcat formation for the rest of the season?

    We do have three productive backs… There could be worse things to do, like put Derek back in as the starter…or Hall, for that matter…

    Just some food for though, er, something to laugh at, LOL!

  53. By shep on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    how can anyone say Leinert can’t play when he never was given a darn chance to play – he did nothing wrong in his preseason play – no interceptions and did what he was asked – the Coach and/or someone in the front office screwed Leinert and now the team this year

  54. By Gary on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Casey, I don’t think this organization (ownership, execs, coaches, etc.) really had a plan after Kurt because they thought he’d be back for this season. I think this caught them with their pants, literally, down and had to scramble at the last minute – because they surely had plenty of time between Kurt retiring and the draft to assemble a plan…Not only does the coach have poor management skills at crucial moments of the game – as we witnessed against Tampa – but obviously have poor time management skills pertaining to preparing for successors, for that matter. I think the organization was a little over-ambitious by signing Kurt to a 2yr deal, when they could have worked out a 1yr deal because that money was guaranteed. I ask all of you, doesn’t it seem that great players on the decline have a tendency to be signed by this organization, only to retire or work themselves out the door a couple years later with fat paychecks and guaranteed money well after their stay here??? I’ve seen this, time and time again. It’s like this organization is the ‘sugar daddy’ of the league. Here, we’ll hand you some money as you are on your way out of the league to ensure you get paid over the next couple years of your life beyond football.

    Anyway, there has been a ton of great posts and feedback this week. Maybe the coaches, leadership, players, etc., will read some of this and light a fire under their ‘you know whats’ to turn this sinking ship around. I don’t like loosing, period. I was hoping those days for this organization were long gone – lets not allow the Cardinals of old, rear its ugly head – that only leads to local blackouts which will really piss me off!

    Please, please, please, Go Cards!!! C’mon fellas, time to turn this crap around – that goes for you too Whiz – we still want to believe ‘In Whiz We Trust’ and ‘We do this together’…us fans wouldn’t and shouldn’t have to beg you guys to turn this thing around…C’mon now!

  55. By Gary on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Good point on the protection issue, Keith. I have complained about this very same issue for many years now, not just over the past couple of them…We’ve had opportunities to go after some very strong OLs (LT, RT, LG, RG, & C), but this organization never pulled the trigger. There are still two good Centers out there (Justin Hartwig & Jake Grove), at least when I looked a week or so ago. There are obviously upgrades over Lyle. Never been a Lyle fan. He has a tendency to miss key pickups on both pass and run plays. Mike Gandy has been available since we released him after last season was over. As far as I am concerned, he and Levi Brown were a good LT/RT tandem – obviously, this organization wanted to destroy that chemistry. Levi’s natural position is RT, plain and simple. The Fanaca pickup was not a bad pickup, in my opinion. He’s a decent pulling Guard. However, I am confident this group has a chance to improve – at least I hope so…if not, we know what our F/A and draft priorities are after QB, LOL!!! Oh, I forgot, the Bidwells must spend the money first! Hopefully, hell will freeze over before then so it becomes a reality, LOL!

  56. By Ben Stone on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    really ken wisenhunt, how long is it going to take until you make the right decision and put in #19 john skelton. That is the only way the Cards can beat the Vikings.

  57. By Jess on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    If anyone didn’t know, Max Hall had at least a couple of turnovers every game in college, why would he do any better with ball control in the NFL???? If you think he is going to get better you are in for a long season. He is all talk, talks himself up.

  58. By Chuck on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    For those asking for Graves to ask/recommend/suggest/TELL Whiz to give up the Offensive Coordinator job, get real.

    Even if Whiz hired one, he would still run the offensive show, develop the offensive game plan and probably overrule the OC.

  59. By AndyStandsUp on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    90% of the time I agree with you Darren, but I’m going to call you out with the 10% of my greatness to suggest that Josh Hall may be the starter over Derek Anderson.
    Josh Hall, though playing terribly with infantile hands, and having been scalded by former QB Ron Jaworski is the leader for the immediate FUTURE of this franchise. Anderson, albeit late 20’s, has shown what he can do and on the bell curve is pointing downwards.
    Even past head coach Brian Billick stated that “Josh Hall doesn’t give the Cards the best chance to win” but conceded that he indeed has small hands.
    Tomorrow is Election Day, folks and I hope you and I agree that Whisenhunt needs to select Josh Hall as the starting QB for the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday.
    It’s the American way!

  60. By Big Red on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Andy, It would suit me fine to start Josh Hall, instead of Max Hall. But I’ve never seen Josh Hall play. But I still would stick to the big boy in Skelton, then little boy hall. Just as long as we get a winner.

  61. By frankie Garza on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Put in skelton he has a canon arm, accurate, tall ,fast …….. why waste more time give him a chance it cant get any worse.

    Derek anderson played half a game 2 int lost the game for us….

    Max Hall played half a game 2 int 2 were ran back for td….

    John Skelton ????????????

  62. By Rick on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Hey lets play Darnell Dockett at QB.

  63. By ross on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Comments should be limited in length twitter style.

    Darren can’t be expected to read everyone’s treatise.

  64. By SANCHEZ on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply


  65. By Chris on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    I think DA is better more than HM, but who knows, we will see.

  66. By Bird on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    I don’t know if Mcnabb is the answer. Shanny don’t seem to be fond of him. He fizzles at the end of games.

    Is there any young good QB out there …haaaaaalp!

  67. By Joe on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    See everyone next year this is too much for me. I love Whiz but he is obviously not a qb coach either let hall make rookie mistakes or ride the derek anderson roller coaster I called that last pick when that drive started you can count on that guy just to give you enough hope so you stay invested. Max has looked absolutly horrible but protection for a rookie is Key and that first pick was completly beine wells fault he dint block anyone and max got hit as he threw anyways im done for this year with football see you guys next draft.

  68. By CaliCard on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Grab McNabb while/if we can. He’s an upgrade over DA or Hall.

  69. By Dan on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    It seems to me the play calling was just as bad as the QB play. I thought they should have kicked the field goal in the first half. Then, they drive down the field late in the 4th quarter and only need three to tie so what does Whiz do on first down? He elects to throw the ball and it is promptly picked. Why would he have Anderson throw on first down? In my opinion, Whiz lost the game with lame play calling and if they don’t get an offensive coordinator, they may not win another game! The first play of the game Wells runs for 15 yards. So what does Whiz do, he passes the next twelve or so times. I just don’t understand his thinking. If the run is working, stay with it. We certainly don’t have a QB who can win games so you might as well run the ball thirty or forty times,

  70. By Darren Urban on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Dan —

    RE: Playcalling

    I’m not going through the whole book, but, for example, of the first 12 plays, six were runs, six were passes. So I guess you’re just exaggerating?

  71. By Fred on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    please start anderson , Hall cant play in this leaghe. He has scord more points for the opposing team than has for us . And to asks Anderson to come in and save the day after Hall get us in hole is asking A little to much.

  72. By Eazy E on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    In no shape form or fashion should skelton start HELL NOOOO!!

  73. By Eazy E on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Stop posting these dumb entries for darren to read for all us REAL fans sake

  74. By TucsonTim on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    “calculated decision” is that engineer speak for a mistake. He better pull his head out of you know where before he loses the whole team, those who don’t hold him responsible for having no QB

  75. By Darren Urban on Nov 3, 2010 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    RE: Whiz and team

    I’d hold off before you start making such sweeping generalizations. He’s not losing the locker room.

  76. By tRiGidY on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Skelton its can’t hurt!! Lets go Redbirds!

  77. By steve on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    After the Vikings blunder with Moss– can we admit our mistake and try and trade for Matt Leinart— maybe a 2nd rounder–hate to say it but we would probably be 5-2 with Leinart — hey he was a check down guy and didnt have a strong arm–but at least he was better than these bozo’s –made less mistakes

  78. By redredred on Nov 3, 2010 | Reply

    cant start skelton it would ruin any hope with him. The Fans will tar and feather him as soon as he makes a mistake to. Then evryone will be b*%^%ing about 3 QB’s, leaving him out gives Hope for the 2011 season.

  79. By Judy on Nov 3, 2010 | Reply

    You said you would let Max learn by watching.That would be ok in my opinion if you want him to learn to throw over recievers heads,at their feet,or int’s.Otherwise,what can he learn from D.A,? II am an old retired nurse,and i never learned much by watching someone else do it.Did you learn your writing skills by watching,or reading someone else? I say put Max Hall in there and let him learn the hard way,on the job. We need to see what we have in him before we can move on.

  80. By Feliix Macias on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    Clear to see that Hall and Anderson can’t take leadership to the nexy level.. I think Skelton should get his chance and show the A.Z. fans that he could very well be the guy we’re looking for…. Michael Vick or Mcnabb??????

  81. By Juniorrow on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    The wholel season everyone has been on the quarterbacks and the offense. Lets look at all 8 games playerd and then tell me what side of the ball is worse. ITS THE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!! NOT HALL OR ANDERSON. We need a new Defensive coordinator. HE hurt us last year and we are losing this year for the same reason. Billy Davis is not the answer and he wasn’t the answer last year. If WHISENHUNT DOESN”T HAVE THE GUTS TO GET RID OF HIM HE SHOULD BE FIRED TOO. AS a head coach you must hire coaches that are detailed and know what they are doing. YOu shoul surround yourself with assistant coaches that are great at what they do. BILLY DAVIS does not know what he is doing. Get him out of there. I want to start a GET RID OF BILLY DAVIS WEBSITE. WE would have a much better record if he knew what he was doing. THE DEFENSE SUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKSSSS!!!!!!!! TOO MANY POINTS. I WANT TO CRY!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

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