Vikings aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on November 7, 2010 – 9:50 pm

It’s happened before, when you have a game unfold the way Sunday’s did and you begin to figure out what you want to ask after the game and so much has happened – most of it good for the team you are covering – and you jot down all the notes you want to ask about after the game.

Then the rest of the game happens – like Sunday’s – and it all seems so moot by the time you get to the locker room and the players and coaches have suffered a collective gut-punch to end the day.

Someone tweeted to me at some point after the game asking if the season was over. No. This hurts, no question, and it’s going to be difficult if the Cards do end up short of the division title to not look back on this game and the Tampa game and want to beat your head against the wall. But with half a season to go, this is now going to be about the division – home games against all three NFC West opponents, and a trip to San Francisco. I still think if the Cards win three of those, they end up winning the division.

— First three game losing streak for the Cards since 2007. You remember that stretch – the Tim Rattay Carolina home game (Leinart was hurt the week before and Julius Peppers mangled Kurt Warner’s elbow early in the game, forcing Rattay, who had just signed, to play), then a heart-breaking loss in Washington, then a lackluster seven-point loss in Tampa. In fact, these three games feel an awful lot alike (crazy loss in Seattle because of QB play, two close losses to follow).

— The Cards went back to Tim Hightower Sunday. I don’t think Beanie Wells was altogether right – he wouldn’t have had just one carry otherwise – but I also think it says a little something about Hightower’s “rest” against Tampa after his fumbling.

— The loss took away from some big moments for some young Cards. Safety Rashad Johnson got his first career interception, but he was in no mood to talk about it after the way the game ended. O’Brien Schofield not only got his first work at linebacker but stripped Percy Harvin on the kickoff that Michael Adams returned for a touchdown.

— Andre Roberts got his first NFL touchdown on a nifty 30-yard catch-and-run at the end of the first half (pictured below). His troubles seem to be fading into the background. Let’s hope so.

— Adrian Wilson was in position to defend that last pass to Shiancoe, but seemed to turn the wrong way as Shiancoe went for the ball. Coverage has been Wilson’s Achilles heel over the years, but Brett Favre said it was a play they had run a few times with variations during the game. They were trying to get Wilson to sit on the route. It seemed Wilson recovered OK – again, he just seemed to open his hips the wrong way.

— LaRod Stephens-Howling is making a strong bid for a Pro Bowl bid. We’ll see if the Cards win enough to give him a push, but halfway through the season, he deserves consideration.

— Stats don’t always tell the story, but after the Cards kicked the field goal to go up 24-10 with 13:40 left in the fourth quarter, the Vikings outgained the Cards, 250 yards to minus-3.

— Steve Breaston completes a 17-yard pass to rookie tight end Jim Dray. The best part – it was designed to go to Fitz deep, and when Fitz was double-covered, Breaston went through his progression and found Dray. Beautiful.

That’s enough for tonight. Would’ve been better to be talking about a win, but the reality is this: Half a season left, a 3-5 record and yet one game out of first place. Not ideal. But better than being 3-5 and without hope.

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  1. By TBru on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    and as ugly as it has been, we can in theory grab a piece of of 1st place in the division again next week.

  2. By eric on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    “– Stats don’t always tell the story, but after the Cards kicked the field goal to go up 24-10 with 13:40 left in the fourth quarter, the Vikings outgained the Cards, 250 yards to minus-3.”

    Ugh! How many times has this happened?!

    It’s almost like when the D-Backs had the lead going into the 8th inning; you wonder if a 3 run lead is enough!

  3. By James on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    Well today was heart wrenching I’m sad and mad but hey we can still do this gooo cardinals

  4. By Pheenic Cromartie on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    I know most Cards fans are annoyed and angry, and so am I. But let’s try to keep positive and support this team.

    Steve Breaston’s a WR, I’ve seen him rush the ball a few times, and now he’s throwing. What can’t he do when it comes to football?

  5. By Steve on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren: I know you dont want to hear this because it’s to early but if the Cards could somehow end up with Stanford stud QB Andrew Luck or Florida St QB Christian Ponder in the draft, I’d feel a whole lot better about this teams future at QB and direction.

  6. By Darren Urban on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: QB

    At this point, I would be surprised if this team didn’t take a QB in the draft. But again, depends on free agency and where the Cards are picking.

  7. By Jackie M on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks for posting the positive notes! We need to focus on what went right. We can learn from our mistakes, but to looke forward is even better. We have a good team. We just need to get things aligned better. I am one Cardinals fan that still believes! Hang in there Whiz and guys!!

  8. By Kevin on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    You’re right Darren, it’s about the division at this point, and we can’t lose hope (notwithstanding the “fans” who think we should just chuck this season). Actually, Vegas is favoring the Cards next week as well as SF over the Rams, and if it goes that way we’re in a 3-way tie for 1st with the advantage with the easier schedule (and a 2-1 div record which will be better than the others as well). If we had managed to hang on against MN, I think we’d be favorites to win the division, but as it is now, we still have a decent shot. Hang in there Cards fans — SEA is 1-3 on the road and banged up.

  9. By Randy on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    When the best QB play we’ve seen since last season comes from our WR, it’s been a bit of a crappy year.

  10. By R Robles on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    Great Game Cardinals Im happy we didnt get our asses beat we showed alotta potential I do think we will win our division. Offence needs to step up a little more to give defence a rest they keep us in the game. La-Rod great job we love you.

  11. By Chuck 1 on Nov 7, 2010 | Reply

    The Defensive Coordinator (Davis) and the defensive players own the majority of the blame for this loss, allowing Favre to go off for a personal single game record, about 450 yards!!! After this season, the DC and some players should be shown the door. Didn’t Graves and Whiz sign Porter, Haggans, Lenon and Rhodes and draft Toler, Washington and Williams? Aren’t Wilson and DRC Pro Bowlers?
    The offensive line shares a large portion of the blame (as usual); poor pass protection and run blocking. Minus three yards when possession is paramount??? Faneca, Keith and Brown are underachievers. Where’s Wells when we need him?
    The Special Teams scored two touchdowns and the offense one TD. That says a lot about the inept offense.
    The roster, after this season, will need a significant make-over.
    I recall Dandy Don Merideth, on Monday Night Football, when it was clear that one team had won, singing “TURN OUT THE LIGHTS, THE PARTY’S OVER”.
    Well, fans, unless you don’t deal in reality, THE PARTY’S OVER (as far as the playoffs go). For this team to win three of the remaining division games is too much to ask.
    And, if a miracle occurs and the Cards do make the playoffs, they will be embarrassed in their first game.

  12. By Bluepitt on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Well this sucks! One thing I dont get, how in the heck is da in the nfl? Sure one pass out of 3 is a good one but the 2 misses seem to be to wide open players, and are way off target. I know the dude is trying but when are we going to make a move? And yes there are qb’s out there not on a roster who can hit a wide fitz from 40yds out every time they drop back!!!!! Just saying it seems odd to me. I hope this is not whiz’s pride hoping da is enough to win our week division to prove the da matt crap was the corect choice.

  13. By John on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Sorry but I disagree, hope is gone. What a shocker, watching a team come back at the end 14 points down with a great quarterback against one with no quarterback. Who would have ever thought that would happen (sarcasm ofcourse). Terrible QB and no offensive coordinator eguals impossible. I can tell you this, if the Cards waste another off-season and go with Whiz calling plays again and this “hope for the best” attitude with no QB’s, im done being a fan of this team.

  14. By RT on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Davis needs to be fired. Yes, we’ve had horrific QB play, but in our last 7 losses including the playoff game to NO. Davis was a bum DC in San Fran and that is when they sucked really bad.
    Def yards allowed avg – 406
    PTS. per game avg. – 35.2

    If you add in the GB playoff game – 417 yards / 36.5

    Below is an except from wikipedia on Davis as the DC with SF. I know our Defense has more talent than those SF teams he coached.

    2005 Season
    However, Davis seemed to have difficulty improving the defense. In his first season as the 49ers defensive coordinator, the team ranked last in the NFL in total defense in 2005, averaging 25.8 points a game, a 44.4 % third-down efficiency, and allowing 428 points that season.[5][6]

    [edit] 2006 Season
    In 2006, Davis’ defense was ranked 26th in the NFL.[4] Monte Poole of the Oakland Tribune criticized Davis in October, saying “the defensive coordinator Billy Davis, who drifts between the 4-3 scheme and the 3-4 scheme, not only has been incapable of masking these deficiencies but also seems to find ways to accentuate them.”[7]

    As soon as early November, rumors began to swirl that Davis could be fired at the end of the season, if not earlier.[8]

    by the end of the season, the 49ers defense had allowed 412 points in 16 games.[6]

    On January 3, 2007, Nolan announced the Davis had been fired stating that “After an evaluation period, we felt this was the right time to make this move”.[4] He was replaced by San Diego Chargers linebackers coach Greg Manusky.[9]

  15. By Darthcard on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    The ghosts are back. I’d like to take a lie detector test to anyone who really thought the cardinals wouldn’t lose the game when favre tied the game up. I thought I was watching WWE. Remember hulk hogan would be getting pummeled then bang he’d do his around the ring romp and low and behold he couldn’t be stopped? That was this game. I guess the positive is we didn’t get clobbered as I expected. 3-13 here we come

  16. By george on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    look lets not give up we still got this start jonie s as qb hes the next big ben 4get anderson an maxie ! be more lose an fun an carfree!

  17. By AZCARDSFAN on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    How do you lose a 14 point lead? If you are the Cardinals, it seems easy. What was Rhodes thinking? Why can’t they protect the quarterback and why does the defense quit after 3 quarters, EVERY GAME?They all have quit. No one cares. The coaches call plays to lose, not win. It is so embarrassing being a fan these days. I have been a fan since they moved to Arizona. Through Lomax, Leinart, Warner, Hall, now Anderson and I have to say we will be lucky to get 5 wins this year. Look for them to be embarrassed on national TV when they play Monday night football. Anyone who believes they will make the play offs is just kidding themselves. Maybe Whiz will go to just one play for offense where the quarterback just kneels down and gets it over.

  18. By johnnybluenose on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    yes, we could have won and it’s too bad rhodes lost the ball at the 4 yard line. but we can’t count on getting 2 return tds every week to get us a win. we need to close out games. get first downs on O and get stops on D. good teams do that. we’re not doing that. still, there is hope we can win the division.

  19. By Stevie on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Just venting my frustration…What do you think happened to Calais Campbell? I know the Mikings’ O line is good, but I can’t believe CC could not once get to Favre or tip a ball. I was diaappointed in much of thedefensive play (Adrian Wilson and the corners), but I do acknowledge they were on the field a long time. Perhaps that is why they seemed to have lost steam in the end of the game. I thought John Lott’s conditioning program was supposed to help with fewer injuires and stamina.

  20. By Rich on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    HEY DRE –
    Where are you? You were the guy giving football lessons and supporting Hall over Andersen. You know as much about football as I know about ballet!
    This was a good game, two good teams. You win some you lose some!. The real heartbreak is the two losses against Seattle and TB that Whiz gave away by starting Max Hall. Andersen was absolutely solid. There should be no doubt now. Go with DA for the rest of the ride. I thought all the Cardinals did very well in Minnesota (including coach’s play-calling). Great game. Favre was just too good in the end, and our defense was a little “gased”. Good game, Cards !

  21. By disppointed cards fan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    I’m sorry but I have no faith in this offense. It seems we have every weapon on every side of the ball, except for a QB and that is making this season so impossible to watch as a Cards fan. I swear, if they knew they were going to cut Leinert all offseason, why have 2 rookies backing up your only (perenial poor performing) starter? I swear if we had been the team that took a flier on Mike Vick 2 seasons ago, we’d be the best team in the NFC right now… Hands Down. But that is hindsight… Still, as a coching staff, your starting QB and backup should be a point of emphasis at the beginning and end of every season, and at the end of last season they knew Warner was retiring. Apparantly they knew they were cutting Leinert too (based on the excuse they’ve used his whole body of work to make that decision, and this preseason was a very small part of that body). I don’t even know what to say, this all just makes me sick.

  22. By Old Man Riva on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    After following the Cards for 50 years a fan like myself becomes accustomed to heartbreaking losses and tries to pick out the positives like Darren has done. I’ll address the other side of the coin for the sake of debate. I keep asking myself if this is the team the Cards are going to keep in order to remain competetive in the NFC West now and down the road as well? I just can’t accept that a team that has virtually no running game and has been playing musical chairs at QB will answer yes to that question. On top of the offensive problems, our defense has not exactly lived up to their potential, although they were on the field way too long yesterday to be totally at fault for the loss. It looks to me like a team (take your choice) finishing 8-8 might win this division. Bottom line for the Cards is…this team needs lots and lots of work done to it to remain/become competetive. I can’t resist a final comment to the illustrious ownership. Did you really think by letting go THREE ALL-PRO players and losing another to retirement, this team would stay together? Or did you care?

  23. By Rick on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren – Any updates on injuries? I saw Iwebama get carted off with what looked like a knee injury. Also, It looked like Kerry Rhodes dinged up his hand?

    Finally, alot of people may be trying to place blame on DA but although the offense only generated 10 points the blame for this loss falls 100% on Billy Davis!!!! Why is A-DUB covering anyone man to man? Not just on the the last TD to Shaincoe but there were other times where he was covering Harvin and wither wasn’t close or couldn’t make the tackle. I’m not blaming A-DUB for not being able to cover man to man because he NEVER has but instead I am blaming Billy Davis for putting A-DUB in a situation that he can not succeed!!!!

  24. By Darren Urban on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Rick —

    RE: Injuries

    We probably won’t know the extent until Wednesday.

  25. By PWalker on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


    They didn’t even wait till Monday. Casey is frustrated; you have to love his passion. If the Cardinals don’t win next week the **** is really going to hit the fan, they are losing to bad teams.

    We all love Whiz and want him to succeed; he needs to hold himself accountable. As the Head Coach I think he has made two glaring errors in his time here. First he should have made Grim the OC or brought somebody in, we all know Whiz is a good OC but we hired him to be Head Coach. Secondly letting Matt go was crazy, he had 3 years to work with him, and he should have been ready. Whiz basically said we did not do a good job of coaching him the last 3 years, that’s water under the bridge now.

    My only other complaints about Whiz are he worries too much about evaluating talent during the preseason and not enough focus on have the team ready play. Lastly it pissed me off when they were given the big break at the bye week. They did not earn it with their play over the first 5 weeks; they should have been held accountable and preparing to play better in the last part of the season. Now they are 0-3 because of it.

    If the Cardinals do not win 5 out of their last 8 with their schedule, Whiz is going to start losing a lot of support.

  26. By tom manoogian on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    you can talk about the offense all day long,no excuse to lose this game with 5 minutes to go.can’t get a first down,can’t do take away kick return and fumble return and what do you have .10 friggin can look at tape of the game all day long,but whiz put this team in this situation.he dropped the ball,he had hall and anderson as his plan ,knowing he was letting matt go.this is all on whiz,he deserves this season.with any average qb,we score more,defense is on the field less.i’m not defending the defense,because if i am the o coach of other team,i’m throwing to anybody covered by wilson.he might be big hitter,and if so make him a linebacker because his coverage sucks.i mean we bring in faneca to run better and at end of game we are trying to pass,because we can’t run ,can’t take time off clock,hell they were using there timeouts with over 3 minutes to go,and we can’t make a first down.–imagine michael vick as qb yesterday in cards uniform,you think cards lose the game-if you do,you need to be drug tested.just saying,qb with mobility OR kurt warner gives a team a chance to keep moving chains,we only had to move them 1 time.bottom line-WHIZ ,you got what you deserve.

  27. By ryan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Well there isn’t much to say after a devastating loss like that one but a couple things that make me wanna puke if i ever see them again…..

    #1 – Whiz if you call another delayed running play out of the shotgun i’m going to pull all my hair out! I know your trying to lure the defenders into the backfield and then hand it off but your forgetting one important thing…the O-line has to make their blocks!!!!

    #2 – I don’t want to see adrian wilson out there in man coverage ever again. The guy can’t cover anyone….repeat HE CANNOT COVER ANYONE! Can’t you coaches just accept that fact and use him on a blitz or to cover dump passes to the running backs?

  28. By Magee on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    No excuse for losing a 24-10 lead late in the 4th quarter. This team could be leading the division but games like this are the Cardinals downfall. The offense doesn’t click on all eight cylinders and the defense gives up way to many points. The second half of the season will not be much better with this kind of effort. We need more players with heart that play four quarters, not three.

  29. By James on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


    I was at the game and as soon as the Cards took the lead I knew Billy Davis was going to play conservative D! Just like last year in Tennessee. I actually told my wife this. I call this everytime, seriously everytime. If I can see it, then god knows then staff on the opposing team can see it, especially Farve who is known for comebacks in the fourth.

    How much longer will this take place ?????
    Seriously I could do a better job, no joke.

    Just a concerned loyal fan.
    Thanks Darren

  30. By Gary on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    You know, there is just no F#$%-ing excuses for this team anymore, period. These past two games have really pissed me off, and coaching is to blame. When you cannot put your players – via schemes – in positions to make plays, you cannot win games.

    First, Bill Davis needs to go. How in the world can you not call defensive plays to hold the Vikings with less than five minutes to go and down by 14??? What the hell??? I have never been a fan of Bill Davis, anyway, since he was brought in after Whiz fired Clancy. You fire a DC who helps take the team to the Super Bowl, then bring in Bill Davis who obviously has his head up is @ss. Why would he want to see this team win, anyway? He came from the 49ers just two years ago…so, this team is sleeping with the enemy.

    Second, WHIZ get an OC!!! What the hell, over? It appears you are wanting to loose, too! Less than five minutes to go, we get two possessions, and cannot hold onto the football??? At least the Cardinals of old had excuses due to the Bidwells not wanting to spend money – hence no talent and no decent coaching. You have no excuse, there is talent all over this team and you have the availability of attaining coaches.

    Third, Russ Grimm. What the f*ck? Our offensive line plain out stinks! Yeah, Russ is a HOFer AS A PLAYER! This doesn’t automatically qualify him as a HOF freakin’ coach…I have seen this line actually loose consistency and talent over the past two years now. How many times do Lyle and Deuce need to get beat at the line of scrimmage before they ride pine??? I saw these guys end up on their backs a few times yesterday. That is sad. When your QB doesn’t have time to look down field because he’s running for his life, how can you expect him to make a sound decision or complete a timing route pass? Although, Derek did run for TWO first downs yesterday – which was nice to see him do.

    It is getting way too old watching this team give games up in the 4th quarter of games. The lack of offensive and defensive strategy is going to put this team in the cellar. I was somewhat impressed with Derek’s play, though. No INTs and 1 TD. Yeah, he had some passes that were errant but that is what we get with Derek and have to live with it.

    Parting thoughts:

    1. Get an OC.
    2. Get a DC.
    3. Pick up the free agent linemen I blogged about last week.

  31. By CJ on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Overall I was impressed. The Cardinals made very few mistakes. Favre simply outplayed us in the end. I’d still like to see a little more out of Derek Anderson especially in overtime but at least he didn’t throw any interceptions (although that early one was almost an interception). It shows that we can win and win big as long as we control the ball and not make big mistakes.

    This is the first loss of the season that I feel like a good game was played. Every other losses this season were simply given to the other team from our ineptness and even many of our wins were ugly. If we keep playing like we did yesterday, I see us winning the division. I doubt we are Super Bowl material this year but we’re looking OK for playoff material. Get us a solid QB or have Derek really step it up and we’re golden.

  32. By Alfred Hita on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


    What in God’s name will it take for the coaching staff to realize that we need a QB??? I just can’t understand that! We have all the weapons for a Super Bowl run again except for the QB position. What will it take to have the coaches and owners realize that? Geeez, trade up Hightower for McNabb atleast! I am very sad that all we are looking for is a division title instead of the big picture which is the super bowl!!!!!

  33. By Tony on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    Its definitely off topic but do you know anything about maybe getting mcnabb next year? It was on ESPN…so just wondering

  34. By Blair on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    I just can’t wait to see this team scape by and maaaaybbbee and that’s a big maybe, make the playoffs. Just to get killed in the first round by tampa again, or maybe the eagles or giants. This team sucks, plain and simple. Let’s hope they can get a real qb next year.

  35. By R Robles on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren this is bull so im seeing NFL network & the Cardinals are never given any props. They did a highlights of the 1st half of the season & we didnt even get on thats bull no 1 single highlight. Why do they do that to us all the time Why do they hate us. Come Wendsday on showtime is gonna be the samething too watch.

  36. By Peter in Canada on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    There have been a lot of naysayers recently talking about the same old Cards. I don’t think so. While we are losing we are losing close and not giving up. In defence of the staff they are drafting good young players, Schofield Washington Williams and Roberts et al who are already contributing and offer a bright future. People complain about the play calling but it is not play-calling it is execution. It is the same play caller we had last year. We are managing to stay close with what is quiite possibly the worst quarterbacking in the league. As I said on a previous post do you Darren or anyone else out there think that with Warner at the helm we would not be at least 6-2 and coasting to a third straight division title.?

  37. By Big Red on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Just so sad, the Cards let this one get away. I still think we’re better than a 3-5 record and the best team in the Division.

  38. By Big Red on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Just so sad, the Cards let this one get away. I still think we’re better than a 3-5 record and the best team in the Division. IT”S SKELTON TIME, COACH! Give the guy a chance. To many receivers where open.

  39. By bobF on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    The hardest part is hearing all the press go nuts on the Vikings when the Cardinals are at the other end of the game.

  40. By kauaicardsfan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Every loss hurts but when you have a lead like that, man it just kills you!
    I am totally amazed on how much defensive and special teams touch downs we are having this year, if we had the same offense production 2 years ago we would be killing our opponents.
    Maybe this time we go after Donovan since he is no longer wanted in washington, We are just one Great QB away from being a great team again where as in the past you wouldnt know where to start to fix our team.

  41. By NYCARDSFAN on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Man…I m bummin now. We had that one too. Its all my fault. I got the sunday ticket this year for the first time so I could watch all the games and I ended up jinxing our season! Sorry everyone.

  42. By Big Red on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    It’s so sad that we’re going to be (again) on the ESPN game of the week game and both times we’ve lost. It’s time to reverse the score guys. IT’S SKELTON TIME GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE.

  43. By Peter in Canada on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Correction “who doesn’t think that with Warner”

  44. By Phoenixraven1 on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    The offense has got to find a way to stay on te field longer and give the D a rest…

  45. By CHIRPCHIRP44 on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    This one hurt a lot. I feel like the Vikings made adjustments to get the ball out quicker late in the game due to our blitzes and single coverage which really got them going late. Also, I felt like the Cards should have made the same adjustments, it seemed like Anderson was getting a lot of heat due to the reborn Minnesota pass rush late and some quick passes would have been the remedy. I couldn’t see the routes on tv to be sure if that was happening but it seemed like DA was stepping up and holding on to it. Maybe it’s because they were getting such heat with only four down. Can you help me out here, Darren?

  46. By Logan cooper on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    I really can’t find anything really to get mad at. Toler played a hell of a game,especially because he was man to man coverage against harvin a lot.that’s a tough task.
    If anything I wish we would have run in at least once in OT. Loved the screen play call though. Allen made a great play. Hayes was a big factor in AP being kind of held in check.
    DA earned my respect. That’s the QB play we Ned from him. His innaccuracy still frustrates me.
    Other than that Seattle lost and we are still in it.

  47. By Shooter on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Why is everyone on Davis? They played Brett Favre!!! Our D had a few sacks, two int’s(one in end zone), and a goal line stand. Of course Favre was gonna throw a ton, they were behind. Had the been ahead the Peterson would have ran a ton. My biggest question is where has Campbell been all season, he is M.I.A.

    I’m more concerned with the offense. You are not going to win a game with 220 total yards of offense. Fitz is getting more involved, as needed, but that is not the single solution to the problem. Without the D and special teams we only would have generated 10 points. Breaston and Doucet have 4 combined catches, that just won’t cut it. I don’t know what they are trying to get DA to do with his plays. But his accuracy is much better when he is on the move, and it still has zip on it. The Oline gave him good protection until the end of the game, but when you don’t try/abandon the running game it makes it easier on the opposing defense.

  48. By SHOTTAS (YOUTUBE) on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    The way i see it, when i look at the Jets, Steelers and Ravens those teams are always regarded as the best defensive teams in the league.
    Top 5 or 10 at least, they have rookies, young players and veterans just like everybody else and they make their fair share of mistakes too.

    But if their players make mistakes, just like your players make mistakes,
    then why year in and year out those teams are considered the best
    defensive teams in the league..why because what they do is superior to what you do.

    When this team struggled the organization went out and got one of the better
    offensive minds in football to upgrade the head coaching position.
    The results prove it was an upgrade, some people want to believe
    the success was attributed to the talent inherited and the weakness of
    the division, but may i note the previous coaching staff couldn’t win
    with that talent in the same division.

    So i believe the Arizona Cardinals organization has to repeat the same process as they did with the head coaching position, just this time on the defensive side of the ball, and bring in one of the better defensive minds in football, someone who’s scheme, strategy and philosophy is compatible
    with the talent on this team.

    Say what you want about the offense, QB, offensive line , running game
    whatever a good offense only means your competitive, your not going to be
    a contender or a superbowl caliber team until you have an elite defense.

  49. By Chuck 1 on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    I encourage all Cards fans, who expect and want better results from all of the organization, to go to the following site, that Darren has provided on another thread and POLITELY give feedback.

  50. By disappointed_card on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


    What do you think of Kevin Kobb?

  51. By Darren Urban on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Disappointed —

    RE: Kolb

    I think he’s an Eagle.

  52. By Tyler on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


    How on earth do we decide to go with two consecutive pass plays to start the overtime? Obviously, the third one was necessary after the damage was done from the first two playcalls, but what is with coach’s obsession with our passing offense? We were fortunate to receive the ball to start the OT and you really only need to get to the 30-35 yard line. Why not give the ball to Hightower and see what we get out of it?

    Those calls in OT, coupled with the 1st & 10 in the red zone call last week are driving me nuts; it’s basic football! Why can’t we *ever* run the ball in obvious run situations? This franchise has basically never had 1 good running back, let alone 2 — I don’t understand why we don’t take advantage of the talent we have on the ground…

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  54. By Jesse Robles on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    We still have a chance to win this division! If we make the Playoffs were still SHOT until we get a QB. I don’t care what kind of game DA played, until I see consistency he still sucks. He still misses wide open throws even I can make. Hate to say it but teams are eating ADUB APART!! They know, we know, and he knows he can’t cover. He looks like a ROOKIE out there. I know that if Payton Manning had a flaw, he would work on it and not let teams continue to make him look stupid. Seahawks LOST, that is huge for us, but we cant rely on our DEFENSE the WHOLE GAME!! Our Defense and Special Teams is what has been leading us. Until we get a QB, we have no Chance.

  55. By Ross on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    is it time to put the Hyphen on the banner instead of Beanie?

  56. By Darren Urban on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Ross —

    RE: Banner

    That decision is above my pay grade.

  57. By hebrew on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Even though we lost,I see improvement . I hope McNabb gets released. We would be in the drivers seat then.

  58. By MAADFAN on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


  59. By Jesse Robles on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Our Draft class stepped up huge this game, Dray, Schofield, Roberts. If we still had Antrel Rolle, I would run wild cat the rest of the season, DA is Horrible. We have a team of 2nd and 3rd stringers who aren’t going to lead anything. We wait it out and hopefully we can get Mcnabb after the season. If we had someone to get the ball to these open guys, they way our defense and special teams are playing, it would be hard to argue we weren’t one of the best teams in the NFC. Were not though, because we have no QB, PERIOD.

  60. By Gary on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Dear Ken Whisenhunt,

    Please bring back Clancy Pendergast and fire Billy Davis. There are only seven current NFL defensive coordinators who have been to the Super Bowl, Clancy is/was one of them. Please read his bio – everyone read his bio:

    His defenses have ranked very high in takeaways. For instance, with the Cardinals, they were 8th in the NFL in turnovers. The Cards led every NFL team in the 2008 playoffs with 13 takeaways. Why was he fired? Why did the team bring in a coordinator from a division rival? Obviously, his (Billy) allegiances is not here in Arizona.

    I know you are very familiar with Clancy since you worked with him. It is a shame the team lost both Todd Haley and Clancy Pendergast after the 2008-2009 season.

    Ken, the offensive line needs help. I have watched our Center Lyle Sendlein be put on his back by opposing nose tackles for the past three seasons. Deuce Lutui is no better. Jake Grove and Justin Hartwig were available on the FA wire, but I don’t see them on the waiver wire now. However, Kevin Mawae and Casey Rabach are available according to As for Guards, Shawn Andrews, Darnell Stapleton, Kynan Forney, and others are available. If the team can shore up the Center and Right Guard positions, maybe Derek will have some time to throw the ball, and our running backs will have some running lanes in which to run through.

    Us fans just want this team to win. The team had/has potential to win every game this season. Give us what we want, WINS!



    (Darren can give you my email address if you would like to discuss the conversation in detail – I’ve been a fan for 23 years, the heartbreak sucks!)

  61. By MAADFAN on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


  62. By dan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Anderson was afraid to blow the game and blew it. Afraid to throw the ball downfield in final few drives when the game was on the line and again, losing is accuracy when we needed it most. Lets face it, the guy freezes up.

  63. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    As much as I scoffed at the Cards picking up McNabb this past offseason, I think the team seriously needs to consider pursuing him after the season is over.

    I wasn’t big on Warner when he signed, but obviously, he proved all his critics wrong. I can see the same scenario unfolding with McNabb. Like Warrner, McNabb has the big, accurate arm and over a decade of experience. He’s seen it all, and is a proven winner and likely a HOF QB.

    Whiz has has a strong record of bringing in FA veterans, and McNabb would seem to be a good fit in the locker room as well as the field of course. Do you think Fitz and Breaston would like to have McNabb throwing to them deep downfield? Do you think the entire team would be energized with another All Pro QB at the helm? Do you think Larry’s chances (and Breaston’s) of re-signing are better if he catches 15 TDs and 1,000+ yards in 2011 with McNabb? Those numbers are all hypothetical, but are they more realistic with McNabb or with Anderson/Hall?

    Given Whiz’s fondness of veteran FAs, I can’t see him drafting another rookie QB and having 3 on the roster next year, assuming DA is gone after this season. And perhaps McNabb will give the Cards a home team discount.

  64. By shoulvekeptmat on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    yea a good game for both teams……. but how and the h*** are you going to give up 14 point in the last 4 min, WOW, and sorry all you da suppporters, if da really was a leggit qb, he would’ve found a way to move the chians. not overthrown a wide fitz. he had a chance to drive down the field in ot but it was to much for him…

  65. By Bummed Card fan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Long time Card fan and I cannot watch anymore. Anderson is just awful, I don’t see why they don’t find a veteran quarterback quick. The division is still anyone’s. This will buy time for the other’s to learn the system. Every week its the same story, Coach Whiz says the same old crap, He is blind!

    How many times have you seen the Cards winning and blow it? Sick of it!

    I thought we were moving forward but in reality its the same old song.

  66. By Johnny V on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


    Do you think Ken would consider firing Bill Davis in season? I get that our offense is in transition after Kurt left, but this is Davis’s second year with these guys and we’re getting worse. I mean just look at these numbers…

    Total Defense: 29th
    Pass Defense: 22nd
    Run Defense: 30th
    Given up the 2nd most points in the league
    6th most penalty yards
    4 out of the last 6 games have given up over 40 points

    How is this guy’s job still safe?????

  67. By Money on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    When we opened up the game with a ridiculous holding penalty that negated a gain, I knew we had problems. The only reason we were in that game is because Minnesota matched our mistakes until the 4th quarter. Special Teams is the only unit that is not failing. I think ownership has caused this along with Whiz telling them what they want to hear even though he knows the risk of failure is high. Examples:
    – No surprise KW didn’t play out his contract, no surprise ML was marginal at best. Instead of reducing risk by getting a quality veteran or high draft pick before last season, they did nothing and ended up with a less than marginal DA and two rookies. Didn’t want to spend the money on a quality veteran to hedge risk (see Eagles). Result: 31st in Offense.
    – We hire a proven loser at DC. I must conclude we didn’t want to spend the money and Whiz said he’d make it work. Result: 30th in league.
    – We have no OC, just some crazy shared experiment. Didn’t want to spend the money on another coach during a potential lockout year. Result: worst time of possession in the NFL.
    – We banked on the fact that SF was our biggest challenge in the division, and they didn’t have a QB either, so at worst we’d be even. Oops, Rams and Seahawks improved more than we did. Result: 3-5 record, 3rd place.
    Stop putting lipstick on this pig people, this team was built to suck in ’10.

  68. By Jeff Gollin on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    To try to keep things in perspective.

    We let it happen to us again.

    But Seattle’s shellacking and Byes to StL and SF keep us in the hunt.

    We now know that – even with Anderson as our QB – the rest of our team is good enough to compete with any NFL team (and beat most of them). We simply ran into a white-hot Favre at crunch time – tip your hat.

    That said – this is the third time I can think of in recent history that the Cards have fallen victim to last-minute heroics. (i.e. Minnesota, TB and Tennessee a year ago). When these things happen, it’s as though the entire team is playing on roller skates and cannot stop the enemy momentum in the waning moments of a football game. We cannot permit this to continue (It casts as as “perennial victims” – not a good place to be).

    It seems to me that our coaches should pay extra attention toward the issue of what they can do – in their schemes, play-calling, mid-game adjustments and personnel packages – to stop an opponent’s momentum in its tracks.

  69. By Bummed Card fan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Long time Card Fan, I cannot watch this crap anymore. Coach Whiz needs to find a offense coordinator that can actually call plays. Derek Anderson is a looser and always will be. My daughter throws better than him. Fire him and find a Quarterback quick and you might be able to turn this around.

    I dont see how all the other teams can find descent quarterbacks, DO YOUR JOBS AND PUT THIS TEAM BACK TOGETHER FOR YOUR FANS !

  70. By Dre on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply


    Our QB situation sucks no matter which way you go with DA and Hall. Both have their issues and I have been consistent all year regarding running the ball more. I think we need to take the ball out the QBs hands as much as possible to give us a better chance at winning. Running the ball more will level out the time of possession and reduce the turnover rate. Both QBs are giving up 2 turnovers a game by themselves, special teams and HIGHTOWER are adding one more to the total (3 a game). DA is the better choice but only in space, if he trys to pass in condensed space…it will likely lead to a pick. The only reason I think DA is better is to keep the defenses from stacking the box. It took 8 games for DA to realize it is better to throw the ball away then to force it into triple coverage when we are in scoring position and he as been in the league for seven years.

    As soon as we got DA I knew QB controversy was going to be an issue because that is the story of his whole career.

    And the Tampa game was lost because Whisenhunt wanted to challenge the 6th rank passing defense with a rookie QB. I guess dumbing down the plays called was a better idea then grinding it out with the run when we are playing a team ranked 31st out of 32 teams in run defense.

  71. By Richard S. on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    They can still take the NFC Worst. They just have to start game planning.

  72. By Scott H on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    You make reference to how after the Cards kick the FG to make it 24-10, the Vikings out-gained them by a ridiculous 250 yards to -3. Bingo! THAT is exactly where, how & why we lost this game. Look no further than that. And it was painful to watch. The play calling was awful, period. It showed no willingness to stick with what had been working for the entire game up to that point -which was getting the ball to the WR’s and letting them make the plays. yeah, I know it’s scary when you’re taking the snaps in the endzone but with the plays that they ran, that’s exactly what they looked like – scared. They looked like a team that was playing scared to lose instead of a team that was willing to win. They pick up one, maybe two first downs right there, the Vikings probably don’t get a chance to win the game. During the game, the Cardinals showed that they could move the ball out from deep in their own teritory, sustain drives, and end with scores. But when the momentum shifted, we played scared and we played right into their hands. As a result, the defense was worn out because they had to keep going right back out. Yeah, the players have to execute but for me, a lot of this falls on the coaches. And late in the game – when it mattered – the play calling on both sides of the ball failed. At that point, the Vikings were making a play on just about every snap. And where we could have ended the game with just ONE DAMN PLAY on EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL, we couldn’t make a single one. Very disappointing.

  73. By Darren Urban on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Scott H, Ottis —

    RE: Playcalls/playing it safe

    Understood. And if Anderson had thrown an interception — because all I have been hearing going into this game is “play it safe” and “run the ball” and “why is Whiz letting Anderson kill us” — you’d be commenting on Whiz’s stupidity for letting Anderson throw the ball.

    In a loss, the coach is in a no-win situation with the fans. Pun intended.

  74. By Scott H on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Jeff Gollin –

    Pretty sad that we have to count on the other teams in the division continuing to lose to keep us “in the hunt.” I, for one, am not ready to go back to that loser’s mentality and i really don’t think we should have to! Despite all of the great players we lost during the off-season, the Cardinals should still be able to rule this truly sad division. Instead, we are making a major contribution toward making the West the laughingstock of the NFL. So, ya know what? I say we stop counting on staying alive because the rest of the division is so bad. I say, the Cardinals better start winning some damn games or else it doesn’t matter because they don’t deserve to be anywhere near the playoffs if they can’t.

  75. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    As they say, “When you have two quarterbacks, you have none.”

    The offense played the entire fouth quarter not to loose rather than trying to win. That’s what happens when coach doesn’t trust his QBs to throw the ball late in the game with the lead.

    All of this frustration would be easier to bear if the team would have closed the deal in Super Bowl 43. Ironically, it was Kurt’s big pick-6 at the end of the half that amounted in a 14 point swing, and the breakdowns in the secondary at the end of the game that ultimately nailed the coffin shut. Problems we still have today.

  76. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    #4 is known as, “FARVEICUS” up here in the soon to be great white north. You won’t find a bigger drama queen (“Vikequeen”) out there, but nobody is tougher. Hard not to admire that despite his, “me first” attitude.

  77. By AndyStandsUp on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Bitter loss, but realistic one, if you ask me. Cards are only one win/loss off where they should be at the midpoint and are making progress in several areas. My major concern is the defense giving up points like they were handouts in a soup line, but at least they seem to be making sure no one is getting seconds.
    It’s a 16 game season folks, and only one person knows how this is going to play out.

    And Nostradamus isn’t saying much these days.

  78. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    I think Whiz did the right thing in playing it safe – especially down at the goal line. No disagreement there in the least. Where did I say that Anderson should have thrown the ball?

    Whiz’s hands are tied with the QBs he has, that’s all I was saying. You couldn’t help but think otherwise watching the game slip away like that. Darryl Johnston on FOX made the same observation.

    The bright side of all of this is that Whiz is learning more as a coach now than he probably ever has before. At this rate, we’ll finish 6-10, which I’m fine with, because I think we’re going to learn a lot more about the character of each player by going 6-10 rather than 10-6. The lessons to be learned via adversity are going to be very valuable.

    I’m looking big picture here. After having following this team since the 70s (long before you were), I was thrilled to death with the past two years. But you can’t make the playoffs every year. Sometimes you have to take a step bakwards to take two steps forward. If we would somehow make the playoffs this year with this continued level of play, then that will be a bonus. But I firmly believe more is to be learned via a down year because there is no way DA is going to be our QB of the future.

  79. By TucsonTim on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren RT’s comment has an example of what I consider a real NFL sports reporter vs. what we have in AZ, thanks to the above post (and I’m NOT talking about YOU):

    “In 2006, Davis’ defense was ranked 26th in the NFL.[4] Monte Poole of the Oakland Tribune criticized Davis in October, saying “the defensive coordinator Billy Davis, who drifts between the 4-3 scheme and the 3-4 scheme, not only has been incapable of masking these deficiencies but also seems to find ways to accentuate them.”

    Do any of the PHX writers even know the names of our coaches. I know it’s not a nice thing to call out a man and ask that he be fired. Davis seems like a good guy. He probably has a fine family. It sucks for him. But his track record is terrible. After Whiz fired Pendergast, which was absolutely the right thing to do, I thought, WOW accountability. Nothing makes people perform like accountability. Now we have none. Whiz just this morning referenced DA’s interception without taking any personal responsibility for calling the stupid play to begin with. And he certainly didn’t bring up going for a 4th and 2 in the red zone in the 1st half.

    We don’t need to bring someone in from the outside. I think we have a guy who has been a successful DC who supposedly is a kick ass coach, so what are we waiting for…4 straight losses, 5. 6… This defense has talent, it just needs a slap in the face and a wake up call

  80. By Ron D on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    There is no way in hell we should have lost the game with special team scoring not once but twice. QB play has to step up this year. If not, we need to look somewhere else to upgrade that position. 3 and out is not doing it. I will ride with this team until the wheels fall off. Go Cards!!!! Just disappointed. 🙁

  81. By UltimateCard on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    When will Ken Whisenhunt finally be fired?

  82. By SeeingRed on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    As disappointing as this loss is, I can’t help but be encouraged at some of the progress being made. The progress I’m most encouraged by is from the young guys ie The Hyphen (having a Pro Bowl season), TH, Roberts, OB Schofield (have a feeling he could be a beast), and DA is starting to get a little more comfortable (btw us fans should stay off his back)….In almost every game the Cards have looked like the better/more talented team but they always hurt themselves more than the other teams outplayed them…If we had had more consistent play we could easily be 5-2. Let’s just hope that the team character we have seen developed over the last few seasons is still intact and they rebound this second half of the season. Go Cards.

  83. By dan on Nov 8, 2010 | Reply

    Adrian Wilson stinks in pass coverage. That last TD pass to the Viking TE should have been easily knocked away or picked off. Wilson turned around the wrong way and took himself out of the play completely and unable to make a play on the ball. Unbelievable.

  84. By cheesebeef on Nov 9, 2010 | Reply

    I love Wiz and he’s done an amazing job turning this team around from where it was 4 years ago, but we’re starting to slip back into some really disturbing “same old cards” scenarios. This was the first time in a long time that I KNEW we would blow the game. Once we went ultra conservative and only took one shot into the endzone when we had a chance to make it 28-10, that “same old cards” feeling starting to bubble to the surface, It was put out briefly when the d held on the first fourth and goal, but seeing them give up a TD in only three plays on the next drive was the clincher. We were up 24-17, but it was over. There’s got to be some accountability at the D coodrinator position. This team under Wiz has had two goal-line stands to it’s credit in 4 four years at crunch time, but otherwise, it seems like an OVERWHELMING amount of the time, when the D needs a big stop, they just roll over and die. Some of that is on talent, but ultimately, the buck stops with the coordinator and both of our D coordinators under Wiz have had ZERO success anywhere else and very little here. Make a change, realize the team needs a strong voice there like Payton did with the Saints bringing in Gregg Williams, spend a little money and get someone who knows what the heck they’re doing back there.

  85. By Scott H on Nov 9, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –
    I understand your reply but I assure you that that is NOT necessarily the case. I am reacting to what the situation was in the game at that time AND what they had done successfully up until that point. And that was NOT running the ball. Yes, if Anderson throws an INT at that point and blows the game there, I’m not happy. But two things – first, you already know that I’m not happy with Anderson. Second, I would NOT be crying that they should be running the ball in that situation when they really hadn’t run the ball effectively during the entire game. Earlier in the game, they were in the shadow of their own endzone and a long pass to Fitz got them out. From there, they went down and scored a TD. Anderson was actually having a decent day and their WR’s were getting open. The running plays they ran out of the endzone looked like they had no chance of succeeding. It looked to me like all they wanted to do was run three plays and punt. So, in a sense, what they did was ultimately NOT much different than a turnover. Because, ultimately, the Vikings DID get the ball back and they scored anyway.

    When Anderson threw the INT that sealed the game for the Buccs the week before, I wasn’t frustrated because they were throwing the ball – I was frustrated because they threw the ball poorly. Anderson threw to the wrong guy and the other team made a play on the ball. If he’d thrown to the OPEN guy, maybe we win the game. I know I’ve been a pretty un-happy guy this season, but please understand that I’m not an idiot who’s just un-happy no matter what. I would rather have seem them made more of an attempt to be aggressive late in that game. Because what they did just looked entirely too passive.

  86. By Darren Urban on Nov 9, 2010 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Run/pass

    Fair enough. And know that when I made that comment, it was less about you in particular and more the fan reaction in general.

  87. By Scott H on Nov 9, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    I hear ya and I understand. It’s been a rough year…not fun for you, either, I would imagine. We’ve lost big and we’ve lost close. That just feels too much like the ol’ days…and I’m not ready to go back there! The NFC West is just RIGHT THERE for the taking, and the Cardinals just keep leaving it out there. If we can play with the Saints ( won ) and the Vikings & Buccs ( should have won both ), then we can basically hang with the better teams in the NFC. But without wins, we’ll be home with the Panthers and Bills at the end of the year. They better get it together and separate from the rest of the division during the next month…’cause there ain’t NO WAY anyone’s coming out of the West as a wild-card!

  88. By cardsalltheway on Nov 10, 2010 | Reply

    I swear, if Matt Leinart couldn’t have played any better than D. Anderson or Max Hall this season then I’ve got to be the least connected person to the Cards on this earth. However, when I consider the fact that nobody else wanted Max Hall nor was anyone aloof enough as someone else I know of — I’m not really too concerned. Ken w., so close yet so far away.

  89. By cardsalltheway on Nov 10, 2010 | Reply

    Did Ken W. call and thank the Cowboys ex-coach yet? Too bad he couldn’t have beaten Brad Childress and then followed that up with a thank you to him, huh? Tick tok, tick tok, tick tok.

  90. By cardsalltheway on Nov 10, 2010 | Reply

    I’m from Iowa and have shopped at the grocery store where Kurt Warner worked, in fact I do believe he carted my bags out to my car one time. I do not think Ken W. had any real connection to him nor do I think Ken W. is capable of finding and keeping a successful connection to any worthwhile Cards QB in the future. For example, the talk is that the former Eagles Campbells Soup QB might sign with the Cards, sadly I don’t think Ken W. is able to work with just anyone like that. Ken W. is one of a kind that’s for sure, the kind that doesn’t deserve the praise he gets and hopefully he’ll be…Tick tok, tick tok, tick tok. I don’t care what he was given, I only care about the present. I’m waiting for the tell all book to hit the stands and/or Oprah W. to let us know all about it. Come on ex/fellow Card players, speak out, let all fans know the rest of the story.

  91. By Darren Urban on Nov 10, 2010 | Reply

    Cardsall —

    RE: Whiz future

    With fans like you, what’s the point of enemies? Casey has had his moments, but at least he’s well thought out. You’re just one big vat of Haterade.

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