On Keith (… OK, and McNabb)

Posted by Darren Urban on November 16, 2010 – 5:59 pm

The Cardinals didn’t think Brandon Keith was going to end up on IR after he got hurt. The man played through what turned out to be a torn hamstring. But it will be interesting to see how the line does going forward. Keith has had a bumpy first year as starter — coach Ken Whisenhunt acknowledged as much — and I’d guess, even though Whisenhunt said newcomer D’Anthony Batiste will get an RT looksee, that Jeremy Bridges will be the starter.

I know there have been plenty of people wanting Bridges to get a shot and/or Keith to be benched. Well, you get your wish. I’m not sure it changes things significantly. And Whiz made it clear Keith is this team’s right tackle for the future.

As for Donovan McNabb, the news about his contract — the true news, the details — came out today with the crucial piece of info that the Redskins owe McNabb only a $3.5 million bonus this year and then another option bonus next offseason. It means the Redskins, if they don’t like how McNabb plays the rest of the year, can cut him after the season with no problem. And even if they keep him through 2011 — say, if they draft a young QB and want a bridge guy (sound familiar?) — it still would only cost about $16 million for the two years, very affordable. The contract is also set up so that it’s unlikely McNabb stays under the current structure in 2012.

Does that mean he’ll be available? Maybe. But remember, if the Redskins dump him, that’ll be two teams in two seasons who decide he’s not a franchise guy anymore. Something to keep in mind.

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101 Responses to “On Keith (… OK, and McNabb)”

  1. By Sedona Chris on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    if we’ve been struggling to get the offense running under Anderson and Hall, wouldn’t it make sense to see where we were at with our third round pick, Skelton, before we start talking about bringing in vets on their way to the UFL or retirement

  2. By mario on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    I agree with this as well

  3. By KyCardsfan on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    I’m pretty sure Skelton was a 5th round pick…Just to let ya know.

  4. By mario on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    He is still a better option than what we have now……… He may also fit better in our offense than in Washington.

  5. By Jordan on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    It’s not as if McNabb has any skill players in Washington. And if I have taken anything from any news about the skins this season, they have the worst skill positions in the NFL. Donovan still has some juice left. I have always thought for the last two seasons that Donovan will end up a red bird before he retires. He will have better skill positions. Shanahan is an idiot.

  6. By Jordan on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Sedona Chris, I swear you might be the only person other than myself to think that. Keith has been garbage, and throwing in Bridges may be a small upgrade, but that wont make a bad QB good. My idea for the cards is to play the next few games, if we lay eggs like we have for the past 4 weeks, give Skleton the reps, drop in rankings, and get a good draft position next year.

  7. By TBru on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    @Sedona Chris

    in a word, yes

  8. By TBru on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    The Cleveland Browns are no longer as deep at quarterback, releasing veteran backup Brett Ratliff

    just in case WIz, wants another alum of that QB factory they have in Cleveland.

  9. By aaaaudio on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    I do not think Bridges is better than Keith at this time. I see Bridges make mistakes alot. At least it’s at RT where your QB might see it comin and save himself some pain.
    Maybe Kolb would be available? Who else might be lurking in Free Agency this coming year (if there is even a season with the strike looking)?

  10. By AndyStandsUp on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Don’t understand the fawning over McNabb. Hasn’t anyone watched the ‘Skins this year, especially last night?
    Other than getting Manning or Brady, how about the guy that was here last week tearing up the Cards defense, Matt Hasslebeck?

  11. By Mno on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    If I remember correctly Kurt Warner was dumped by two teams in the past only to come to the desert and reestablish his career.

  12. By MattAz on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Can Donovan play defense?

  13. By ross on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, just got to read through your chat…thanks for doing that. Your work is appreciated.

  14. By jonofpu on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    i would like to see what the eagles do with vick . i can not see the eagles keeping both vick and kolb . i would take one or the other . i want no part of mcnabb . the cards need to get good soon , the rest of the west are on the way up we need a QB bad

  15. By Steve Lee on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Is the front office willing to pay for a really good QB? We need one now!

    And the front line has to play like professionals. That Levi was letting people in after Anderson like a revolving door. No QB can work if he’s run over all the time.

  16. By Lori on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Sounds like the drama that surrounded Kurt Warner…

  17. By Chad Bundy on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Didn’t we hear the same thing about Warner..two teams giving up on him..please…if McNabb is cut by the Redskins at the end of the year the Cardinals would be foolish not to go get him…c’mon man!!!

  18. By James on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, Would the Cards be better off maybe looking at Matt Hasselbeck due to the fact it’s his last year at Seattle? He’s got a grip with the coach, Whitehurst was brought in as a expensive back up. Just saying..

  19. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    James —

    RE: Hasselbeck

    I don’t think it’s any lock this is his last year in Seattle.

  20. By JoeVero on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    With Brandon Keith on IR, is there any chance that Herman Johnson will be promoted from the PS? I’ve been looking forward to seeing him in an actual game.

  21. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    JoeVero —

    RE: Herman

    If that was going to happen, it would have happened yesterday. Instead, they signed Batiste. Not a good sign for Herm.

  22. By Austen Mathews on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Kurt Warner did awesome in st. louis then his play declined. After that he went to New york for 1 year and stunk the joint up. Then to Arizona where he had an awesome 5 year career and went to the superbowl. Now how about McNabb, was awesome in Philly then his play declined then went to Washington where he is not doing well and might be let go after 1 year. See the parallel. Do what you have to do Whiz and get McNabb if he’s let GO!

  23. By Marcos on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Sedona Chris

    Skelton is our 5th round pick.. Thank you very much. And to answer for Darren if Anderson and Hall who is also a rookie can’t get things going why would Skelton who is apparently even less prepared to start do any better? For me personally, I think our O-line needs to improve before anything gets going. Doesn’t give QB (any QB) time to do much, and can’t get our running game going.

  24. By Casey on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    RE: McNabb


    For what’s it worth, Jason La Confora from the NFL Network was just on Fox Radio out here in LA and said McNabb’s deal does actually pay him $41 Million in its first 2 years and La Confora basically guaranteed that the Redskins are committed to McNabb minimally for the next two years after giving up 2nd and 3rd Round Picks and they knew they’d be paying him in the neighborhood of $13MM-$15MM per year, so this new contract isn’t really earth shattering. As you’ve suggested, McNabb’s salary increases significantly in the back-end of the contract, at which time McNabb would be 35 years old and the Redskins may decide at that point that they have a younger, longer term option.

    La Confora points out that “there isn’t another QB out there better than McNabb who is going to walk through the door for Washington anytime soon” as his argument for the Redskins being committed to McNabb for 2 years minimally
    (he says the issues in Washington are between McNabb and Kyle Shanahan, not b/w McNabb and Mike Shanahan, and that O-line, WR and RB are major deficiencies that Washington needs to address to help McNabb).

    I’ve seen similar reports to what you’re referencing above about just $3.75MM being guaranteed in the first year, so I’m not sure how La Confora is getting to $41MM in the first 2 years (not sure if he misspoke and meant $21MM in the first 2 years).

    Also, with respect to Vick, La Confora “guaranteed” that the Eagles will not let Vick become a free agent. Ironically, he referenced “the Arizona Cardinals” as his example of a team the Eagles are not going to let lock up Vick after they (the Eagles) took the risk in signing Vick in the first place.

    With respect to Kolb, La Confora thinks (off the top of his head) that Kolb’s cap number next year is around $6MM, so even if the Eagles need pay Vick in the range of $18-$20MM next season, they should be able to fit Kolb’s contract under the salary cap (assuming there is one). BUT, he did say that the Eagles are also very high on their 3rd QB (a rookie or 2nd year player I believe) and may be comfortable with him as the backup next year, making Kolb expendable for the right price. But La Confora thinks that Kolb has higher upside than McNabb at this point in his career and make actually command more than a 2nd & 3rd Round pick that McNabb garnered.

    Finally, one more take away I had from the La Confora interview that relates to the Cardinals (in my mind). La Confora has been calling for Tavaris Jackson to start over Favre for a few weeks now, I guess. Anyway, La Confora commented on Favre’s awful performance against the Bears last week as further support for Favre being benched. That comment just reminded me that outside of his personal career best day against Arizona a week ago, Favre has been awful this year. Unfortunately, I just think this Cardinals defense is absolutely at a multi-year low in terms of its performance level after giving up that kind of day to a Brett Favre who is a shell of himself and to Matt Hasselbeck and company who’ve been equally as awful offensively this season. In other words, the Cards didn’t get “Favred” and “Hasselbecked” the last two weeks- that’s giving too much credit to two pathetic offenses. The Cards got “Adubbed” and “Hayesed” and “Tolered” and “Cromartied” and “Lennoned” and “Rhodesed” and “Billy Davised” the last two weeks…


  25. By Nikko on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Russ grim was a good player, but he sucks horribly as a coach, everyone see’s this & none of us care if you & coach whiz are buddy buddy, that just shows us there’s slack to be given!! fire grim, fire davis & hire someone(an OC) else to call plays cus Coach Whiz YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE!!! Keith as a starter over bridges & flip-flopping the line was the worst mistake they could have made, and to keep him in struggling like he was, was just plain Stupid!! Last year with brown on the right and bridges on the left, things were working, so why did they change that up? Then there’s the D, aye yi yi, Im not even gonna start on them other than say “line create that pass rush”,”DB’S wake the F up”, “& LBS WELL REMEMBER YOUR ASSIGNMENTS & WRAP PEOPLE UP”, its time for everybody to play cus quite frankly, its like nobody is showing up to play! Get of Facebook & twitter & do work on the field, YES I’M CALLING THE TEAM OUT ON THIS 1, with the exception of larry fitzgerald, steve breaston, & larod stephens-howling!!! I hope the players & personnel read this!!
    Sincerely, a very concerned Fan

  26. By Pheenic Cromartie on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    If he’s available, then pick him up, but I also think we should draft a QB in the early rounds of the Draft. This year’s Draft is a QB Draft, and we should take advantage of it.

    I’m thinking Ryan Mallet or someone like him would be a good catch.

  27. By tyman on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    QB’s are the hardest position to evaluate in the NFL. Its true. Whiz is a great coach but he needs tobe quicker to bring in some new guys at the position. Just think there has to be a guy like kurt warner out there on the street. You dont develope a QB, you give a guy a chance and they fail or they light it up. Its clear we do not have a QB right now. DA needs to stop with the rocket passes and put some touch on his passes, but really hes a career backup. Like I keep saying what about Jeff Garcia or some other proven CFL or arena QB.

  28. By Steve on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Darren: So many fans are clamoring for McNabb but I think Mark Bulger would be a better choice to bridge the gap while the Cards develop a future franchise QB such as Andrew Luck , Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder.

  29. By cody on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    no Sedona, Skelton will be a good QB, but he is nowhere near ready. he is very raw and will need at least another year or 2 before becoming a starter. and he was a 5th round pick, not a 3rd.

  30. By georgiebird on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    While McNabb could be a fit for 2 years, the Cardinals primary need is a defense. There are only a few QB’s named Brady, Manning and Brees who can win games with this defense. Going forward, here are some suggestions.
    1) Fire Davis
    2) stress football smarts to the defense
    3) go to a 4-3 for maximum QB pressure
    4) work in OB and D. Washington as OLBs
    5) trade or cut: A-dub and G.Hayes
    6) re-evaluate DRC, & Campbell- how good are they?
    7) in FA/draft, get an intelligent MLB
    8) draft the best defensive player available don’t worry about position
    9) get a new db coach
    10) For practice purposes realize the Cardinals D will look good playing against Cardinal “O”- so be smart when evaluating “D” players esp dbs

  31. By Andrew on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Can McNabb play O-line, D-line and SS on passing downs? I sure hope so.

  32. By Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    @ Sedona Chris … i agree. they say “hes not ready” but why not let him play out the season and “get ready?” Why bother with another guy headed out the door?

  33. By Chris on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    If McNabb is cut that is 2 teams that didnt want him but the same went for warrner. McNabb was good when he had good players around him. I personaly think we have better talent then the redskins. But it wount matter unless he is cut and I dont want to pay anything close to what he just signed. I think its time to draft a QB in the first round and see how he does

  34. By Jake Madril on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    I just wonder how different things would of been if we had kept mr.number 7

  35. By Besné on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    I hope Keith gets better and have a good recovery… I have faith in him as our RT for the future… and well, let’s hope our overall situation improves… somehow…

  36. By Gary on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Here are some college players coming into next year’s draft I would like to see the Cardinals try to snag (these are just a few players I’d like to see, out of many, in this upcoming draft class):

    Pos/Name/Proj Rd

    QB – Christian Ponder (2nd) or Jake Locker (1st)
    OT – Nate Solder (1st-2nd)
    OG – Mike Pouncey (2nd)
    OLB – Bruce Carter (1st) or Dontay Moch (3rd)
    ILB – Kelvin Sheppard (4th)
    SS – DeAndre McDaniel (1st-2nd) or Eugene Clifford (5th)
    TE – Virgil Green (5th)
    FB – Charles Clay (4th)
    C – Stefen Wisniewski (1st-2nd) or Kristofer O’Dowd (3rd) or Kevin Kowalski (4th-5th)
    CB – Jimmy Smith (1st-2nd) or Davon House (2nd)
    WR – Terrence Toliver (4th-5th)
    DE – Allen Bailey (1st)

    These are the positions this team needs improvement, nearly every position…
    Adrian Wilson, Clark Haggans, Paris Lenon, Gerald Hayes, Alan Faneca, Jeremy Bridges, Bryan Robinson…even Larry Fitzgerald have some miles on them and are not getting younger. Some guys like Lyle Sendlein, Deuce Lutui, Michael Adams, Jason Wright, among others, just don’t make the mold to be a perennial winning team. This team needs YOUNG TALENT!

    I think off-season trades will be key to the success for the organization. I would go as far as trading Adrian Wilson, Gerald Hayes, and the other guys I listed above for draft picks. Since this team is going to the bottom this year anyway, might as well make it a ‘true’ rebuilding year after this one. Whisenhunt needs to take a page out of Belichick’s book…hell take the whole book! That man knows how to scout, train, build, and keep talent in his organization (Patriots). This is why the Patriots are perennial winners. That is the piece this organization has been missing for much longer than I have been alive – and I have been a fan for 23 years, witnessing the mistakes made every year. I think most of this issue boils down to the OWNERSHIP not wanting to spend money for talent. They’d rather put the money in their pockets. Trust me, the Bidwell’s are not hurting financially…maybe that’s what it will take to turn this organization around. Maybe, the fans should stop going to games and buying merchandise all together??? I get tired of having my hopes shattered every year because the ownership, leadership, and management has no clue on how to scout, train, build, and keep talent – fresh talent – in Arizona.

  37. By RichardI on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Well… Warner was cut from the St. Louis and the New York… Came to Arizona and gave us an NFC Championship, NFC West Title, and showed us the true talents of many of other players…

    McNabb, like Warner, needs a team around of equal or greater talent… He needs our receivers… The Redskins can focus on McNabb all they want, but they don’t have receivers in their prime – we do! And with our air game in full swing our RB’s can run over people… And if we can score 3 to 4 touchdowns a game, our defense doesn’t need to stop people, they just need to slow them down…

  38. By Nick Pepe on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –
    exactly my point on McNabb. 3 teams made offers. Bills, Raiders, Redskins. It was not like teams were fighting over him. There is a reason. And many teams had franchise QB issues coming into the season. Why were 3 cellar dwellers (last year) the only teams interested? Why did he get benched for Rex Grossman cause he couldn’t, for whatever reason, run a two-minute drill? Why would Andy Reid who (as much as I hate to admit) knows talent as much as anyone, trade him within the division? He does not even have value, for example, to a team like the Cleveland Browns, to serve as a back-up to the teams future QB (McCoy), because he would never except that role…..and knowing his game management skills they wouldn’t want him as a “mentor” to the teams future. So what would be the point in acquiring him? Doesn’t make sense to me. But what do I know, I am just putting my 2 cents in. Now I am broke. I promise not to mention McNabb again.
    Do you have Kurt’s phone number? I just want to say hi ………and to see if he has plans for Sunday.
    Nick Pepe
    Lifetime Member

  39. By Dre on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply


    Whats up with last years 5th round pick Herman Johnson. I know it was said he came to camp overwieght but I don’t understand why he was cut and put on the practice squad. He is a freak with potential and if Grimm can’t coach him up then what is really going on. Its seems very strange to give up on someone like this. He needs to be on the sidelines and given a chance to get better. I don’t see the point in having six WR and only three offensive line men backup for 5 positions


    Below is a paragraph I copied clipped from Ken Whisenhunt coaching history and mini bio…

    [Whisenhunt served as an assistant on Bill Cowher’s staff with the Pittsburgh Steelers for six years, the first three as tight ends coach and the last three as offensive coordinator. In his first year as coordinator, the Steelers rushing attack improved from 31st to 2nd and the overall offense ranked 16th behind rookie QB Ben Roethlisberger. His second year ended with an NFL title after the Steelers offense averaged 26.8 points per game in the playoffs. This past season, Pittsburgh’s offense ranked 7th overall (9th passing and 10th rushing).]

    Like I said what is really going on…nothing is making sense here. You got a OC turn head coach who has lost is way. Is it the Fitzgearld factor?

  40. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Dre —

    RE: Herman/Whiz

    When you have weight issues, and then he can’t get promoted when there is an injury, that should raise red flags.

    As for Whisenhunt, you say he’s “lost his way.” To me, when you point out what you point out, that tells me he knows what he is doing, not the other way around.

  41. By James on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    I need to know when are we going to put skelton in just to throw a couple passes get some experience i know people say he isnt ready but how will he ever be warming the bench?

  42. By Phoenixraven1 on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    What’s next lol!

  43. By drew on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    actually he was our 5 th round pik but i agree nobody is working out and you dont waste any pick to get a third string qb

  44. By James on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply


    Sorry just read the chat got my answer thanks. Just would like to hear more about skelton thats all 🙂 thanks for all u do please stay fitzgerald! and Darren

  45. By cardfan643 on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    it seems like none of the players are trusting the coaches system any more almost as if everyone is looking out for them selves, its kinda like the team needs a player to step in and take the lead until that happends i dont see this team getting any better. until they beleive within them selves i dont know maybe they should go back so saying “believe in now” like the year they won the super bowl, no kurt warner is not coming back! Your stuck derek anderson who has a giant arm and to me has made alot of improvement since his benching, possibly the best reciveing core in all of the nfl, and your telling me you cant atleast gain 1 positive yard in a entire quater(3rd quater of last weeks game). step up quit complaining that you dont have warner, be a star and make something happen.

  46. By Eazy E on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Donovan is better than any of our qbs by miles and it ain’t even close. The redskins have a horrible supporting cast. I was looking at the game yesterday and they have an atrocious offensive line. Receivers dropping balls everywhere santana dropped a ball that led to a pick early in the game. Running game has been invisible. Oh and did I mention those receivers, old galloway. Their defense is really disappointing too. 31st in the league entering the game against the eagles and after that awful performance is probably now 32nd. McNabb to Arizona is music to my ears.

  47. By Eazy E on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    You can’t just blame McNabb he deserves the least amount of blame how about giving shanahan some blame rex grossman? seriously??

  48. By Patrick on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Mike Miller said that John Skelton isn’t ready, but I think we should start getting him some valuable game experience. Derek Anderson obviously isn’t the long term solution, but our team needs to find our wether or not to draft a QB next year. Andrew Luck and Ryan Mallet are both on next year’s ballot we have to get someone worthy enough to lead this team. If it’s Skelton then great job by Ken Whisnehunt and the rest of the draft personnel if not we have to go QB next year. I want to win as much as any fan, but this takes time and that something we all need to understand. Whisenhunt has brought this team back from behind there is no reason to think that he can’t do it again.

  49. By Eric Randall on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    Actually Sedona Chris, Skelton was a fifth round pick. Even though historically fifth round pick QBs have never amounted to anything in the NFL and this is the reason Hall was started over Skelton, I still agree that Skelton should have his shot at glory prior to picking up another bust, unless of course there was a chance at getting Mike Vick, but I seriously doubt Philadelphia would ever let him go after the solid performances he has given this year. We need to all remember Tom Brady was a sixth round pick and has proven to be one of the best QB in the history of the NFL.

  50. By robert mason on Nov 16, 2010 | Reply

    i think mcnabb would do great in cards system. with the head coach calling plays. it would be nice to have a good QB that can make plays on the fly. kind of like warner (warner more acurate/mcnabb more mobile) but this year the defence is the problem. i think cards would have been fine going with M.L. and D.A. as back up. come on cards lets go!!!!!

  51. By DirtybirD on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren, when is Russ Grimm going to be called out. The O-line has played poorly when the game has been on the line lately. They need to control the trenches better. As for McNabb, the Cardinals are better off trading for Kolb or Bulger or going after Orton next year. Who knows maybe the Bengals will be willing to part with Palmer next year. Keep up the good work buddy!

  52. By Havasu Tom on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Good Morning Darren,
    Tough couple of weeks for you and the Cardinals. It’s tough to field these blogs, but your doing a great job.
    Something I’ve noticed the last few weeks, is our yards after catch. D.A. is not hitting our receivers in stride on a regular basis. I didn’t notice this earlier in the season, I was to busy cringing every time he dropped back to pass. Our receivers are often waiting for the ball. D.A. is a second off timing. This may be a product of the line. If that is the case, we need to shorten the drop and more quick timing passes before the pressure gets to him.
    As much as everyone wants to blame the ‘D’, look at time they’ve been on the field. They spent over 35 minutes last game. The ‘O’ must sustain drives to help the ‘D’ perform.
    One last comment, The odds of winning 6 of 7 slim and D.A. won’t be the starter next year. Lets see more Hall and Skelton. What could it hurt?

  53. By Hugecardsfan on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    He’s actually our 5th round pick, but I really dont think it will make a huge difference, if the coaching staff doesnt think he’s ready, then he probily isnt ready

  54. By Andreas Berggreen, Denmark on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Hi Darren

    I love your blogs and effort you put in to your work.
    But as other people has recognized, this offense ain’t working with either Hall or Anderson at the center. We saw a bit of Skelton in the preseason and i actually liked hes throwing style, tho he throwed 3 interceptions, but hey give the boy another chance to show his worth.

    He wouldn’t have had a chance to know his offense that soon into the preseason and the other games he played went pretty awesome, he might work out better than the 2 others we got. He could be a season saver.

  55. By Bill L on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Bring in and overpay a Fading star to pump ticket sales without fixing the core problems……OH wait, already did that with Egge.

  56. By pat farber on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    get skelton on the field and lets decide in game action whether or not he has any future. why should we be gullible enough to believe whiz? he told us Max Hall was ready and that was embarrassing to watch.

  57. By Jeff Gollin on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    I don’t think our job description is for “a franchise QB”, but rather someone who we can win with most of the time – who would serve as a bridge until we acquired and developed a QBOF.

    I just want someone who – when Fitz or Steve is out there all alone waiving his arms – won’t under or overthrow him.

  58. By gtrman on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Sounds an awful lot like what Warner went through……

  59. By Mexico on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    It wouldn’t matter if 2 franchises dumped him (McNabb)… we got anderson who got dumped from one of the worst teams in the league!!! we should try jeff garcia or a veteran QB…..

  60. By Scharf on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Even though McNabb has been dropped by two teams, I still think he is pretty good. The only reason I see him doing pretty bad (im assumining this cause I haven’t watch the games) is the recieving core. The only good reciever on that roster looks like Santana Moss and even he isn’t the best of the best. If Mcnabb came here he would have Fitzgerald who is always awesome, and Breaston and Doucet who are pretty good themselves. All in all we have a very talented trio of recievers and with that I think McNabb could strive here. But I also see the Redskins keeping him while they groom a new face.

  61. By johnnybluenose on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    i don’t know what the answer is for getting us a better qb but i doubt that donovan mcnabb is the correct answer. and i expect him to be available, notwithstanding the recent signing with the skins. either mcnabb or shanahan gets the boot there…… shanahan and his kid too would be my guess.

  62. By tRiGidY on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Break out John the Chainsaw’ Skelton

  63. By D on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Forget Mcnabb and Leinart and Vick. If they don’t want to wait a few years on a top 10 QB from the draft, then they need to offer a 1st for Kolb and get agressive. Because a Bulger or another journeyman QB next year to mentor Max or Skeleton means Blackouts. Season ticket holders want to win now and the fickle fan base in Phoenix will drop the Cards until they start winning.

  64. By tyman on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Everyone should give up on Mcnabb and John skelton… for real. We are not getting mcnabb and skelton at best will most likly be a backup for his whole career. We need to look elsewhere. Im not saying pick up J.Russel, but for real find somone that is proven to move the ball. I keep saying Jeff Garcia because he has played good over seasons in the NFL. Maybe pick up an arena guy or somone that hasnt ever got a shot at qb in the NFL. Its clear that max is no NFL qb and DA is a career backup. We need a proven winner.
    Hey darren can you pass this on to whiz.
    thanks dude.

  65. By Adam on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Whisenhunt says he’s not gonna make any coaching changes right now but he knows deep down that he wants to give Billy Davis the AX. Billy Davis is a suspect coach. He never knows what to call during the game. His resume is getting worse. He is just a linebackers coach. Some coaches aren’t leadrers they are just role players. That’s what BILLY DAVIS is.. A ROLE PLAYER. LEADERS have answers and are good when adversity arises. All of the great and good coaches in the NFL have created a system that mostly works with whomever is in it given a couople big name players. WE HAVE A TON A BIG NAME PLAYERS ON DEFENSE and we are the 31st RANKED DEFENSE IN THE NFL. CLANCY PENDEGASS called a better game than BILLY DAVIS. He atleast knew that ADRIAN WILSON couldn’t cover so he just blitzed him all game. STOP putting ADRIAN WILSON in coverage… that is not his strong suit. Let a better athlete cover the athletic tightens. Thats what good coaches do.. They make adjustments. As I watch these games on sundays I see no adjustments in the second half. WE will never win anymore games for the rest of the year if the defense is giving up 29.0 points a game. THATS THE MOST IN THE NFL!!!!!! OUR offense cannot do anything. STOP BLAMING the quarter backs. ITS BILLY DAVIS. 29.0 points a game…. THAT calls for an immediate firing of who??? YOu called it BILLY DAVIS!!!! Embarassing. MY HEART GOES OUT TO THESE GUYS TO GO FROM SUPERBOWL AND PLAYOFFS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PACK IN THE NFL. WHAT A RAPID ASCENSION. SAD!!!

  66. By jocards on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    I know the offense has been horrible but I really do not understand why so many are calling for Skelton at this point. The coaching staff does not believe he is ready, why does everybody seem to think otherwise? The guy was a late round pick from a small school. The coaching staff that watches and works with him everyday does not think he’s ready. It’s that simple to me. I mean considering the absolute lack of production from our offensive unit don’t you think he’d be playing if the staff believed he could help the team win? I hope for the best when it comes to Skelton but it isn’t as though this guy is Sam Bradford or Matthew Stafford. He was a 5th round pick and considered a project. What makes people think they know more about his readiness than the coaching staff?

  67. By Adam on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    The reason why the Cardinals organization will never be consistently at the top is becuase they do not believe in the word loyalty and the word family. All of the best organizations make their players feel like family and they keep their teams together. Kurt Warner had to pull teeth to get a new deal. Sad! Now you wish you had him back. We didn’t keep Dansby or Rolle. Antonio Smith and Calvin Pace. What’s wrong with the Cardinals organization. You have the money. Keep your teams together and hire coaches that are true leaders. Coaches that are no nonsense, detailed, disciplined and not afraid of guys that make all the money on the team. Everything starts at the top with the GM and then the head coach. Whisenhunt lost a big part of the leadership when Tod Haley left and he knows it. Because Tod Haley wasn’t afraid to be hard on Boldin, Fitz and Breaston. We need true leaders on the Cardinals coaching staff. Coaches who don’t blame the players. We need coaches that take the blame themselves and know how to use the talent they have. Our team is playing just like our coaches act…. NERVOUS AND UNSURE!!!! Thats the epitome of our coaches and team. WE HAVE NO IDENTITY. YEAH WE DO, ITS CALLED MAYHEM. WHO HAS THE ANSWERS OVER THERE???? WE NEED to SHAKE THINGS UP AND CUT players AND FIRE SOME COACHES. OBVIOUSLY THE CHOICES WE MADE FOR PERSONNEL AND COACHING WERE THE WRONG ONES. DON’T BE AFRAID TO SHAKE THINGS UP!!! LETS GO.. WE CAN FINISH STRONG.


  68. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Adam —

    RE: NFL/Family

    Name me one NFL team that works on “loyalty” and “family” with players. You can’t.

  69. By Nikko on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Mcnabb would fit in around here with the rest of the garbage ball players we got lol….. We don’t need Mcnabb, we need better coaching/coaches & benching some starters would also help to get their heads outta their asses!!

  70. By Billy Thomas on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply


    I’ll only mention this for a second, but why is Kurt posting all of the “my kids want me to unretire” stuff on his Twitter account? Has there been any recent push for that to occur or something? I’m just surprised because it came out of absolutely nowhere all of a sudden. I mean, I doubt Kurt would do it, but I mean, needless to say, it gets us all a little excited. Probably for nothing, but I was just wondering if there was anything you knew of that was causing the comments.

  71. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Billy —

    RE: Kurt

    Getting kicked off DTWS?

  72. By Casey on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    RE: Adub/Billy Davis- Both Falling


    How do you feel about Sando’s comments this morning in his NFC West Blog about Adub and Billy ‘Avis (the “D” in “Davis” should actually be silent given his squad’s performance going back to the end of last year)?

    Is this finally the week that perhaps Billy Davis saves his job and Adub’s job by keeping Adub exclusively in the Box as a “joker” line-backer as fans on this board have been suggesting for several weeks now? Or will Billy fall on the sword this weekend and put himself out of his misery…?


    1. Adrian Wilson, Cardinals SS. We’ve all seen the Cardinals’ Pro Bowl strong safety have bad moments here or there. His dominance around the line of scrimmage doesn’t always serve him as well in coverage. I’ve just never seen Wilson flustered so frequently over such an extended period. It’s getting to the point where opposing quarterbacks can simply target whichever player Wilson appears to be covering with expectations that good things will happen for the offense. Wilson’s frustration has been obvious through his body language. He can’t get a break, either. The one-armed reception Seattle’s Mike Williams made against him over the middle Sunday provided fitting punctuation on a difficult day.

    2. Bill Davis, Cardinals defensive coordinator. The Cardinals have allowed 407, 507 and 490 yards in their past three games. They have allowed more points than any team in the league. They are missing tackles left and right. The defense appears to have no confidence, no killer instinct and poor fundamentals. Younger players such as Greg Toler and Calais Campbell appear to be regressing.

  73. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Casey —

    RE: Sando

    I feel he is a reporter and he has a right to his opinion.

  74. By cards62 on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    I am glad you fellow fans pointed out to Darren how similar Kurgt Warner story is to McNabb. No sure thing in the NFL just ask Minn. about Favre but we should take calculated risk to make our team better. I of course do not know if McNabb will be available next year or not, but I think he could be like a Kerry Collins for us. Start next year and be a valuable backup to us once we develop our young QB. I think McNabb would accept this role and be great and QBs get hurt in this league especially with our line. The Piglets, and Russ Grimm coaching, so you have a great backup. The only thing I do know for sure is that we better have 2 new quarterbacks on our roster next year or we are doomed in 2011 just like we are in 2010. The QB out of Stanford, Luck, is the one we want everyone says so hopefully he is available when we pick, and we bring in a veteran to go along with our new rookie QB and we keep Skelton. I do not know what veteran QBs will be available next year, but fans there are some always available every year and we should be the first stop on their list with Carolina as we have an open QB position just begging for a starter. Front office do not screw this up like you screwed up the 2010 season. Concerning Dansby did’nt we try to sign him for a couple of years and he just kept refusing to sign and even hired a new agent in the process?
    S. RIce was also a great Cardinal, but he did not want to be here.

    Darren if you will be so kind to let me know why people keep taking jabs at Fitz like he is to blame for our team moves, and offensive strategy. This has benn going on some all year so what am I missing as I do not see the link. Thank you.
    Go Cards beat the Chiefs.

  75. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    cards62 —

    RE: Fitz

    They take jabs at him just like everyone here takes jabs at everybody — because people are airing out their frustrations.

  76. By jdcrow59 on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Just a bit off topic here. I think they need to add an “All Above” option on the fan poll.

  77. By Steve Lee on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    When do we get a new QB? We have talent, but no spirit behind a qualified leader.

    And tell the O-line they’ll all be fire if they can keep 3-4 bad guys out of the pocket.

  78. By Bill L on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    If Whiz having a contract through 2013 is the reason the Cardinals must stink, so be it. If that is truly the case then the Cards are condemned to stink as long as that is the controlling mentality. But, for sake of argument, and HOPE, let’s assume that is not the case;

    1. Fix the front office and coaching staff
    2. Fix the O-line, atleast 2 maybe as many as 4
    3. Fix DBs, atleast a saftey and probably a corner
    4. Fix Pass Rush, probably only a rush LB
    5. Finally, Fix the QB….strangely only 1 QB in this draft has more potential than Matt…..Luck. So bring Matt back under a new coach and wait until 2012, 13 for a young QB.

    With FA and 2 good draft picks the Cards can probably get Matt, 2 OL and a Saftey this year…..throw in a good dose of COACHING UP and the Cards could be significantly better next year……..Don’t confuse Activity with Achievement…….and, for once I agree with Whiz, there is no SNAP or CRISPNESS in this team, and Matt is not arround…….so, who is at FAULT….Whiz?…..Whiz?

  79. By Sean on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Jocards nails this one, regarding Skelton. If management and his coaches dont think he is ready, what makes an average Joe like one of us believe he is?

    I suspect it comes down to “hope”. I think a lot of people believe that if we just put Skelton in (or just put anyone ELSE in, for that matter) we will catch lignting in a bottle and the Cardiac Cards are back.

    It is the same as buying a penny stock hoping it will turn into the next Microsoft. The problem is that penny stocks trade for pennies for a reason- they are only worth pennies.

    The same is true with 99.9% of QB’s selected in the 5th round in their first year. If he were ready to play, he would have been taken earlier.

    My parting two points…

    1) We have to somehow make due with what we have and accept that our potential is limited this year.

    2) People are crazy, in general.

  80. By Mike Ellingboe on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply


    As you may have noticed there is all kinds of untapped coaching potential roaming around here that the NFL just hasn’t managed to find. Maybe they should take their search to couches and video game players around the country from now on…

  81. By CHUCK FENDA- GOD IS MY WITNESS on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Talent vs Scheme-

    The Cincinnati Bengals probably have more talent than most teams in the league, do the Bengals have a QB? they should he was the 1st overall pick
    in the draft, he has been to the probowl, he throws to arguably the best receiving corps in the league, two of which are probowlers and one possibly a hall of famer.

    They have quality and talent on the offensive line and at fullback, they also have 1st round talents at the TE and RB positions, four first rounders in their secondary Roy Williams, Leon Hall, Reggie Nelson, Adam Jones.
    ( don’t blame me blame the experts)
    The USC connection at linebacker, when Keith and Ray were in college USC had the best linebacking corps in the nation, Odom when healthy is potentially a probowler etc etc etc, and they’re 2-6 So what’s the problem? talent? bad luck? if you can answer that,you can solve your own problems.

    Don’t get me wrong, i’m a huge advocate for talent, i believe that you need players who can make plays if your going to win.

    However i also think that talent can only take you so far, i don’t care who you are or how talented you may be, if you’re not put in a position to succeed
    you probably won’t, and if what you do doesn’t work then you can bring in
    the best of the best and it wouldn’t make a difference.

    As for the draft i like the draft, it’s early (thanks to the Cardinals) but what else are you going to do, this team is not going to win the division and they’re
    not going to the playoffs.

    Seven games to go and it’s already over, now i understand the need for fantasy football.

    1) Derek Sherrod OT
    2) Jimmy Smith CB
    3) Dontay Moch OLB
    4) Chris Carter OLB
    5) Casey Matthews ILB
    6) Owen Marecic FB

  82. By TucsonTim on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Did anyone in this organization briefly consider Troy Smith when he was cut by the Ravens?

  83. By NYCARDSFAN on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    I see a lot of fans (including myself) writing in here on issues such as, why Skelton isnt played and why Whiz doesnt admit he made a mistake with QB’s or whatever. Well I will tell you what the only reason is. MONEY. Everything in life all boils down to the bottom line, PROFIT. What happens when Whiz sends in Skelton and calls this a “rebuilding year”, or hey says, “Sorry, I screwed up and the rest of this year is gonna suck because of it”. Well guess what my red feathered friends…none of us wants to spend the money it takes to make it to a game or buy jerseys or other things that make a lot of money for the Bidwills, if those in charge suddenly become honest and clear with us that this is an attempt at a rebuilding year that spiraled out of control in a very negative direction. The downside to being a rabid fan of the Cardinals, like we all are, is that these losses hurt pretty bad after the past few successful years that are very hard to come by in this organization. When you have a “starting QB” in the game and he cant put up points, you send in the backup hoping for a better result. Everyone does it. Its happened to Warner. He walked in DA’s shoes before. Now you name a new starter. He doesnt work out. So you put the previous QB back in. He still doesnt work out. Well what do you do? What kind of message does it send when/if you send in guy #3? Yea…you got it. So those of us hungry for answers will continue to get what we have got, and continue to get what we get. So lets stop beating this dead horse. Any cardinals fans in the Rochester NY area on here wanna meet up to watch games once in a while? Gets kinda lonely being the only person besides my lady friend that is wearing red and white at “The Thirsty Turtle”. (sports bar)

  84. By Judy on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    I am sorry that Keith got hurt,but will be interested to see how J.Bridges does.I know a lot of the fans have been wanting to see Bridges too.
    I don’t care what the Redskins do with McNabb,i don’t want him here now.Years ago,yes but not now.It is time for the Cardinals to get a young QB or coach up one or the other of the rookies and let them play.

  85. By Luke on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Debunking Donovan McNabb’s Legacy Once and For All…

    After reading all of the previous posts it is clear, Donovan McScreen-pass is the most overrated athlete in history! What about him is so desirable anyway? Leadership? NO Awareness? NO Judgment? NO Accuracy? NO conditioning? NO Superficial mascot? YES

    For those of you that refuse to actually watch him play, his stats are skewed by screen-passes and other YAC of the like. Championship games? Defense and coaching were the phenomenal factor and McSnabb got exposed in the big games. Remember how the Cardinals beat the Eagles… Donavan couldn’t hit the side of a barn!

    McSnabb has had good o-line play his whole career; about 2/3 of his stats come from screen-passes and shovel passes (which should be separate from passing stats IMO). McSnabb is just an inaccurate goofball that had his career fall into his lap…I have seen a lot of Eagles games over the last 11 years and most of what I saw was YAC and the occasional “punt-pass” to a wide-open T. Owens/D. Jackson. When #5 got hurt in ’02…more of the same with Feeley/Detmer and similar success (5-1). Don’t forget, McNabb was (5-5) in ’06 when Jeff Garcia rescued the season and led the Eagles to a Division championship and a very near victory (27-24 loss) in New Orleans!

    You can’t give McSnabb credit for great coaching, defense, o-line, Westbrook and every game they won while he was injured. I really don’t see anything left to give him credit for. I would take either Vick or Kolb…both are showing the ability to understand a game plan and how to read and react to defenses. Andy Reid is tickled pink with his current situation for good reason…he can actually create a game plan around his Quarterbacks strengths instead of hiding his weakness. At the beginning of the year (April 15), I predicted an Eagle Superbowl run…

    It looks like my thinking was spot on…McNabb was holding this team back!

    It seems to me that nobody on this board has ever even watched a game McSnabb has played rather, merely lap up the ESPN propaganda making this fat mascot the most overrated athlete in history. WATCH the games! The reason the Redskins have no offense is because Westbrook isn’t in the backfield to catch screen-passes.

    If you want to see another DA with no touch and accuracy, McSnabb is your guy…No vision, No anticipation Nor progression skills. Only, a couple timing routes and a brick head…sound familiar? All you need to so is put DA in Philly with Westbrook (in his prime) and you’ve got another McSnabb.

    This is NOT what the Cardinals need! Please stop posting for this mascot in a uniform!!!!! Why do you think there is so much controversy surrounding him? Anybody watching closely can see that McSnabb is but an artifact amid mass talent and schematics. If McNabb comes to Arizona, I will cancel my season tickets on that very day!

    There is no way the Cardinals win more than 4 games with that hack…We don’t have the Defense or the o-line to cuttle him with. The guy has never used a progression scheme in his life and wouldn’t no what to do with it. McSnabb: ulmmm…I didn’t think a game could end in a tie…ulmmm.

    Let’s get down to the true issue here…ESPN has turned the NFL into into a sideshow soap opera full of manufactured drama. The general viewing audience has been hardwired to empathize with the “tragic protagonist” created to stir controversy and boost ratings…and now we have a blind movement of the masses to bring in this drooling mascot for which to gawk at. Impulsive and ignorant at its core; perhaps what is needed is watch McNabb fall flat on his face in the desert but alas, abundant semantics and scapegoats will surface to muddy the collective waters of the masses’ perspective.

  86. By jocards on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Who let Rush Limbaugh on the board? Nice post!

  87. By Gary on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    I agree with all the fans here who think some ‘house-cleaning’ needs to happen. There is OBVIOUSLY issues with this coaching staff.

    First, the Russ/Cody Grimm tandem should not even be allowed. Russ sucks as an OL coach. Plus, Cody has NO NFL experience. Why the hell is he here? Oh, that’s right, daddy works for the team. It matches the Shannahan disaster in Washington (Redskins). Further, who in their right mind thinks Chris Miller is a viable QB coach??? This guy was a mediocre QB at best. Why do think Derek Anderson hasn’t come along? The staff proclaimed Derek would possibly get better…I’ve seen NO change. Mike Miller as Passing Game Coordinator??? Huh??? The only, and I mean ONLY, reason why he was successful the previous two years was due to Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, & Anquan Boldin leading the charge. There are some staffing issues that need sorted out before this team even thinks about being successful again.

    I encourage all fans to take a look at the ‘Coaches’ for this team:

    Only a handful have actually played the game at the NFL level, others either didn’t play or had little to no success. Only then, will you see why OUR team stinks!

  88. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Gary —

    RE: coaches

    There has been a lot of talk about Haley and Pendergast. Haley and Pendergast didn’t even play college football much less NFL. That didn’t seem to hamper them.

  89. By kingdiamond on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Let’s all admit that nothing matters for the rest of the season. We are looking at a 3-13 or 4-12 season. Let’s hope we can draft well and get a soft schedule for next year.

  90. By Scott H on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Justin –
    You must be kidding. You say that McNabb has no skill players in Washington? Funny…I live in the Philly area and that was the excuse of McNabb fans everywhere for so many years – that he didn’t have enough weapons around him. Gee…sure seems like Michael Vick is doing pretty well this year with the same exact weapons that McNabb had last year! Please. It’s just so ridiculous ( and pathetic ) that wherever McNabb goes, people have to make the excuse that he doesn’t have enough weapons. It’s about time people realize that the problem is McNabb and NOT the players around him.

  91. By Scott H on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Luke –

    Right on, bud. You da man! So nice to hear from someone who clearly knows what McNabb is and is NOT.

  92. By Mike Ellingboe on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply


    To follow-up on Darren’s response, would it mean anything to you to know that Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, or Bill Belichick ever played a game at the NFL level?

  93. By TucsonTim on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Actually my Troy Smith question was a serious one. If you want me to believe that Skelton is so far removed from starting on the Cardinals of all teams, then why on earth would we be worried about him getting claimed on waivers. I’m afraid Smith is going to give us his best M Vick impression Monday after next. I think you’ll be getting a few more Troy Smith questions after that.

  94. By Darren Urban on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Tucson —

    RE: Troy Smith/Skelton

    By the time Smith was available they had the QBs they wanted. I’m not going to rehash that all over again.

    As for Skelton, it is mind-boggling to me that no one seems to understand this concept of drafting a project QB. People either seem to want him to start now or have the Cards cut him altogether. Yes, Skelton would have been claimed by someone. He would have been claimed, made a third QB, and … groomed as a project.

  95. By jeff l ford on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    well, everyone has an opinion…ive been a card fan since 1970 so here’s mine…first: qb-we were LUCKY that warner revived his career…remember if not for one very bad quarter in the preseason against the raiders leinart would have been the starter…NO WAY on mcnabb-he has choked numerous times in his career and many times has flung the ball up for grabs to avoid being hit, plus i just plain dont like him…also, NO WAY would the cards make an offer for vick-they have historically stayed far away from any player with off the field issues…so…kolb appears to be by far the best (maybe available) option for cards next year-it remains to be seen if the front office would pay him the big bucks…i am not in favor of drafting a qb high next year unless there r no other options-our key players are not getting any younger and i hate to think of struggling while a rookie develops…imo anderson would be a serviceable backup and we could let hall or skelton develop, but we gotta get a starter…
    ol: they should have left the ol alone, they were playing well late last year and beanie was coming on..
    defense: we are not getting much of a pass rush-boy is that an understatement-the loss of anthony smith abd bertran berry has hurt…i dont really see any young players save for cambell doing much-should be a top priority in the offseason after fixing the qb spot…

    injuries: thay should look at the offseasoning workouts, and/or training camp-weve got a lot of guys getting hurt…if they r injurie prone(read beanie and early) we might have to cut our losses with them..

    hyphen: thank GOD for the little dude-clearly the team’s MVP this year

    as with any team, a few plays here and there are the diff between 6-3 and 3-6

    the whiz: when he came to az imo he thought he would have to turn over the roster and remold the team into pittsburgh west-lo and behold, warner played great, fitz had an all world year and the d made just enough plays…i see the team kinda stuck in the middle now-if whiz wants to run the ball, THEN RUN THE BALL-we have way to many 3 and outs by throwing 3 incomplete passes in a row-at least if we are running the ball, the d gets more than a 45 second rest.

    it will be interesting to see how this plays out-now that little bidwill has a taste of success we’ll have to see if he has the will and the willingness to SPEND THE MONEY to remain successful.
    thanks for allowing me to express my opinion

  96. By Fitzgirl11 on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Does anybody actually think we’re getting a qb next yr? as i see it…if the cards see that potential in hall and skelton(thats why they let go of matt cause they didnt wanna lose them) they’re just gonna wait till they’re ready and not spend the money.ITS ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS

  97. By Chris on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Lol actually you didn’t prove anything. If anything, you proved your hatred for Donovan. Hard for anyone to take you seriously when you spend 1/2 of your post calling him names and nitpicking facts

    McNabb did have the same team Vick is playing with. Except…not only is Vick playing better than ANY Quarterback in the league right now, the Eagles are also running the ball more this year. Lesean McCoy had 600 rushing yards last season…he already has 600 yards this season. It’s called the Vick effect

    McNabb had no running game in Philly. That’s not opinion…that is fact. With no running game and an AVERAGE defense last year, McNabb finished with a 93 QB rating and was on pace to throw for over 4000 if not for injury. In fact, several seasons that he was on pace to throw for well over 4000 he got injured..kinda sad really

    But to dismiss everything he’s done in his career as nothing? I swear, in all my life of watching sports I have never seen a Quarterback be as belittled and dimished as Donovan despite all he’s done. People seem to apply a different standard when it comes to him and fairness goes out the window. Especially with the Westbrook point. If you look at the numbers for each year that the Eagles made the NFC Championship….McNabb passed it to him around 10-15% of the time. The only time McNabb excessively relied on Westbrook was when he was injured or recovering from injury. Him recovering from an ACL injury in 2007 is a great example of that

    And if I wanted to, I could also argue that Ben Rothlisberger would have no rings if not for his defense. Heck, I could argue Kurt Warner would have no rings if not for Marshall Faulk…and would have little success without Larry Fitzgerald and Torry Holt. It doesn’t matter how good or bad your defense is…making it to 4 NFC championships in a row and in general is NOT a fluke

  98. By Von Curry on Nov 17, 2010 | Reply

    Darren…remember this though…our boy K DUB was with the Rams in 03 then Giants in 04 and then our glorious Cards in 05..and hes only 33 so its a possibility that maybe he could work out…Id prefer the Cards drafting a QB or maybe someone else FA wise but..just a note

  99. By Blood Red on Nov 18, 2010 | Reply

    You know there is something that most are missing on the QB mess.DA is just not going to cut it man.I can see it in his eyes he just knows he doesn’t have it.I don’t know what is going on with Skelton but with his size and arm strength i just don’t see how we can’t give this kid a shot.I really have a good feeling about this guy and think even though he will have some difficulties as alll young guns do,i believe he is a gamer.Maybe not as cocky or the showboat kind of person that usually wins people over, but this guy will be a very good QB one of these days i know it!Lets give this guy a shot,the team will end up rallieng around this humble kid and maybe not this year but with some playing time he will be the future pro bowl QB for the cards!Let him throw a 65 yard bomb to Breaston right out the gate.It’s getting frustrating for all and this QB crap is what is making this bad ass team look like we suck.Let us start to lean on the big man and he will suprise alot of people!

  100. By cards62 on Nov 18, 2010 | Reply

    Blood Red and others I would not start Skelton yet, but I would let him relieve some and see how he does the rest of this year. If he does well or okay start him a game or two at the end of the season. Remember to look at what he did in college and what competition he faced and reember he was drafted when Matt Leinart was our sure fire starter and Derek Anderson was our backup and Derek would only play in case of an injury to Matt Leinart.

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