On hog hunting and seeing Tebow

Posted by Darren Urban on December 8, 2010 – 4:59 pm

A few notes to finish the day:

— Richard Bartel was at home in Gonzales, Texas, when the Cardinals called. When asked what he was doing waiting for a team to call, he said he was hog-hunting. One media member was wondering if that was a euphemism for something like off-road racing or something. Nope. The new Cardinals’ QB was actually tracking down and taking out hogs.

There are javelinas in Texas, Bartel said, but these were wild hogs. “Bigger, slower, and they don’t have the tusks,” Bartel said, “but they are still dangerous.”

Bartel doesn’t use guns. Too dangerous for his dogs, who come along. Nope. “Hopefully none of you (media) guys are animal rights activists,” Bartel said.

The hogs will have to wait for now. Bartel is too busy playing football.

— The Broncos drafted Tim Tebow in the first round in large part because coach Josh McDaniels fell in love with his potential. Now, though, McDaniels is out. Where does that leave Tebow (who has played in goal line packages this season)? Maybe on the sideline, at least for the trip to Arizona Sunday.

“We’re going to evaluate every player on our team,” Broncos interim coach Eric Studeville said during a conference call Wednesday. “If something or someone can give us an advantage in a game, we’re going to explore it. … Tim has contributed this year and done some things for us that have benefitted us. We are going to continue to look at those things, but we haven’t decided at this point.”

This season Tebow has accounted for four touchdowns (three running, one passing) on just 13 plays. You’d think the coaches would know exactly what he brings to the table – or maybe they do and aren’t sure it’s enough right now.

— I’m not sure if Darnell Dockett is 100 percent healthy from his shoulder issues, but it’s a good sign he practiced fully today. As for the guys limited today, I don’t think any of them are “going to cost a chance to play Sunday” injuries.

— Speaking of Dockett, he will be Adrian Wilson’s guest on the Big Red Rage tomorrow night at 6 p.m. at Majerle’s in Chandler.

— The Cardinals filled the practice squad spot left vacant when Herman Johnson signed with the Bears yesterday by bringing in tackle Cliff Louis.

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47 Responses to “On hog hunting and seeing Tebow”

  1. By Phoenixraven1 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Unfortunate we lost the opportunity to see Munster develope. I wish him well but seriously it’s our loss…

  2. By MIKEFLORIO on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    We loss a draft pick, yet we keep an aging and in effective Alan Fanaca???? Does that make sense URB?
    We are losing our young potential talent.
    Next we are going to sign porter to an extension.
    The only move that has made an impact this year has been Kerry Rhodes.

  3. By Darren Urban on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    MikeFlorio —

    RE: Losing draft pick

    What are you talking about?

  4. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    What is going on with Whiz? He randomly cuts matt lienart and goes with Anderson, decides to keep 2 rookies as our back ups, then signs another guy who has never even played, and he still cant make a decision, i bet anything that anderson will end up passing tests and get the job back, this all a waste of time

  5. By brad oneill on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Wow this guy needs to learn what you can and can’t tell people. I am all for killing gods creatures but there are probably some peta types that will check and see if he can be brought up on charges for animal cruelty.

    I hope they keep tebow on the bench but its for purely selfish reasons moreno is my fantasy football back.

  6. By Birdlegs on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Wow. I can’t wait to hear more stories about how a backup UFL QB spends his off-time. Riveting.

  7. By Darren Urban on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Birdlegs —

    RE: Content

    No one is forcing you to read.

  8. By TucsonTim on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    “You’d think the coaches would know exactly what he brings to the table…”

    I agree! I expected the Cards to know what Leinart was bringing to the table more than a year ago and still would like to see someone rake Whiz and Graves over the coals for that debacle. Not a measly do you regret question but questions about the integrity of the organization and the qualifications of the professionals who evaluate talent.

  9. By TucsonTim on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    I’m pretty sure Mike is talking about losing another player who was drafted by the cards (Johnson in 2008) and expressing his frustration that this organization can’t evaluate talent and wastes draft picks on poor prospects, or worse they can’t develop the talent in the first place.

  10. By AndyStandsUp on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    All for freedom of speech, but you have to be careful of disclosing too much; ask Luke Scott of the Orioles after his recent interview.
    Of course, that may be the reason behind the all the cliches and standard responses that ahtletes now give.

  11. By AndyStandsUp on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    It seems that Whiz is reticent on starting Skelton, worrying about losing him.
    HELLO?! The Cards can’t make the postseason. NOW is the time to see what players you can count on next season; if there is one.

  12. By Nick Pepe on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Tuscon- seriously?? How long have you been a fan? We just won back to back division titles, and had a Super Bowl trip. For the first time EVER. And you want to rake people over coals. You bail that quick?? Pretty harsh. It can’t be peaches and cream every year.

    And I would love to see a break down of NFL draft picks over the last 4 years and see where the Cards picks rank production wise. I think you would be quite surprised.

    Nick Pepe
    Lifetime Member
    Sick and Tired of Ridiculous Posts and Band Wagon Jumpers

  13. By TucsonTim on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    I was curious about Cliff Louis and when I read he was originally signed by the BROWNS as an undrafted free agent I had to laugh. McCreight strikes again. What a disaster.

  14. By Steve on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren: Do you believe .Kevin Kolb is worth giving up a 1st and 3rd round choice for ? Maybe it’s better to trade for a QB on the cusp rather than draft a QB. and take 2-3 year of time to develop him..

  15. By Darren Urban on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Kolb

    Frankly, I have not seen enough of Kolb to know. If he was drafted specifically in Philly because he excels in a WC offense, then I think you need to tread lightly. But if you have seen enough of him to be convinced he’s the real deal, then a 1 and 3 isn’t too much. The problem is that the Eagles are reportedly looking for 2 No. 1s.

  16. By georgiebird on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Playing against the Broncos is going to be tough on the Cards QB. Prior to this year, Denver’s 2nd and 3rd stringers killed the Cardinals’ starters in pre-season.
    But this game is a chance for the Cardinals to play a team that’s better than any team in the NFC West.
    A good showing by DA or Bartels will prove nothing for next year. A good showing by Skelton will be an excellent building block for the future. If Skelton does bad and doesn’t play well, what’s the loss-he’s a 5th round draft choice from Fordham.
    Through the draft and FA, Whiz and Graves have not been able to bring in any solid football players except for Graham, Feely, Breaston, LSH and maybe Lenon as a backup- there have been many incompletes and failures over the past 4 years with drafts & FA. (I don’t consider DRC a success). So give Skelton a chance, he can’t mess up any more than Whiz and Graves.

  17. By georgiebird on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    The Chicago Bears are one of the better teams in Football. The Bears can pull Herman Johnson off our practice squad and put him on their active roster. With so many fans getting on the OL that’s a pretty good testimonial for how good our OL is- or was someone sleeping at the switch.
    Also, aren’t there any players on the practice squad of the top teams that the Cardinals might want to take a look at. Someone might even be better than Carl Haggans or one of our TEs

  18. By Eric on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    I almost can’t wait until this season is over so everyone can take a deep breath and hopefully step away from the ledge. “Hopefully” is the key word.

  19. By Old Man Riva on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    As the football season nears completion and the holiday season is upon us, the fan comments have turned the corner from preseason optimism to the harsh reality of another losing Big Red campaign. In honor of Christmas, I think it’s time to single out the guys who still work their butts off and continue to play hard through this disaster of a season. Fitz, Breaston, Dockett, Rhodes, Feely, Hyphen, Campbell, Sendlein and Graham. And rookies like Schofield (coming back and actually playing hard after a very serious knee injury in January), Washington and lately Williams deserve a huge thumbs up. Not all is bleak and in this day and age of free agency, the turnaround can come quicker than you can say Rams. For this joyous season, I will not knock any players or coaches the rest of the year but do reserve the right to pound the Bidwill family any time I want to.

  20. By johnnybluenose on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    just to follow up on mike florio’s comment about throwing away a draft pick (herman johnson), here is another example of how well we are doing with our picks. in the sixth round of the 2010 draft we selected jorrick calvin, corner back. near the end of the exhibition season, we traded calvin to the eagles for charles scott, running back, who was also a sixth round pick of the 2010 draft. a week later, we cut scott. calvin is on the eagles’ roster. scott was signed by the giants and is on their practice squad. the last time i looked, the eagles and the giants were much better than our cardinals and yet neither calvin nor scott were deemed good enough to play on our team. as vince lombardi used to say, ” DARREN, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AROUND HERE? “

  21. By cardsalltheway on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Birdlegs –
    RE: Content
    “No one is forcing you to read”

    Ouch! Let me add that from what I know you’ve only mentioned what J. Skelton did in the last game while ignoring what he did in the 1st preseason game, just as Ken W. has done. Instead you talk about hogs lol. Are you speaking on Grimms/Hogs behalf?. Okay, so Bartel doesn’t care about the animal kingdom. Why would you make the connection to Bartel and hogs with the Eagles Vick and dogs?

  22. By Darren Urban on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Cards —

    RE: Connection

    I have zero idea what your point is here on what “connection” I made. I didn’t mention Vick at all.

    And you are wrong on what I have “mentioned” on Skelton. In fact, I think the only time I have brought up his last preseason game is when someone — probably you — only mentioned his first game while conveniently ignoring everything else. As far as I am concerned, nothing he did in preseason, statistically, means a whole lot.

  23. By Frank Cardinali on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    How bout putting Hall on Dockets shoulders, a-la Master/Blaster from Mad Max Thunderdome?

  24. By Roy on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply


    People are not bandwagon fans because they criticize the organization. And are you serious about our draft evaluations? THEY ARE A JOKE. I can go back each year and point out our massive failures like Levi Brown over AP, or cutting Buster Davis and Cody Brown before they ever saw a game but I have better things to do.

    Even true fans (like myself) realize that we are in a huge mess and it was all caused by the current coaches and organization. Someone needs to be held accountable for all the mistakes. That is Graves and Whiz’s job.

  25. By joe67 on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Nick, you are right on!!

    I will say again tho, I really want to see Skelton play, but only if we think our O-Line can block and give him at least a little time

  26. By brian on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Why are we still trying to win, don’t we want the highest draft pick. Oh wait the higher the draft pick the more the cheapwells will have to pay. Wow coach wiz has a lot of pride, you are going to tell me some released qb from the redskins gives us a better chance to win than a 5th rounder that we have had a chance to work with for six months. I think coach toys with player’s confidence and sets them back.

  27. By Darren Urban on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Brian —

    RE: Your post

    Hilarious. In one short paragraph you rip the team for trying to win, and then turn around and rip the team for picking the wrong quarterback because he doesn’t give them the best chance to win.

  28. By Slim on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Something people need to realize is that Darren is just the messenger and keep the cheap shots to yourself. He’s done a wonderful job keeping us all informed and shouldn’t have to deal with the absurd ramblings of some of you bandwagon fans.

    Now, you can be frustrated and annoyed by the way this season has panned out, but unless you’ve been watching since 2008, you should be accustomed to losing and know what if feels like to have a rough year. I remember going to Flagstaff every year for training camp and sitting on the hill over the practice fields, no fences, no security, and certainly not thousands of “fans”. I remember getting almost the entire 1996 team (including Boomer Esiason, lol) to sign a Looney Tunes cardinal hat my dad bought me. And I remember sitting on the hard-ass bleachers at Sun Devil Stadium getting a sunburn, watching our guys beating the Cowboys in a stadium filled with more blue than red and celebrating like they won the Super Bowl.

    If you can’t understand all that I just said, they you clearly haven’t been paying attention very long and don’t deserve to complain about a franchise that has been so abysmal for so long and is have a rough year after the success Whiz has brought us.

    Darren, do your thing man. Thanks for keeping a long-time fan informed since I moved out to L.A.

  29. By Joe on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Why are people still talking about lienhart like we made a huge mistake? You know he is a third string backup where he went why pay him starter money when he is a third stringer at best. Even had we kept matty we would be seeing the qb carouse revolve around and around i just hope this years draft nets us a decent qb or we wise up and trade for a YOUNG man with potential like kolb. Personally i would love to see tim tebow in AZ if his new coaches are not that excited about him. In all seriousness if we don’t get a qb soon fitzy may find a new place to call home and if that happens will be dark days in AZ for some time.

  30. By tRiGiDy on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Kevin Klob is not worth two 1st rd picks!! (No WAY)

    (With the 5th pick in 2011)
    I think we have to take AJ Green, to help relieve some stress off Fitz. An give us a chance to open up the field.( Like when Bolden was here!!)

    Also Darren, are Breston an Early?? Freeagents next year??

    Or I think we take Prince Amukamara, An put more work on (DRC) so DRC don’t fall asleep like he has this year! When teams picked on Toler!

    As long as we don’t pick up anymore Freeagents from Pittsburgh!(LOL) Does Whiz know there are other Teams in the Nfl??

    If we don’t get the 1st pick Overall an get Luck I think 2.Green,3.Amukamara If all 3 are gone Trade Down!! Lets Go Bigred!

  31. By Darren Urban on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Trigidy —

    RE: WR FAs

    Assuming the new CBA allows players with four years to be unrestricted and three years restricted (there will be no free agency until after the CBA is settled), Breaston would be an UFA and Doucet a RFA.

  32. By tRiGiDy on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Bring the Prince home to Glendale!!

    With the 5th pick in the Draft the Arizona Cardinals Select

    Prince Amukamara

    How many time can u get a top 5 player that fits a Big Need from Glendale???

  33. By mgarc3000 on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Like many have stated in this post i am all for giving Skelton the nod in this game just to see if he can show anything that might indicate he can be a long term or short term solution in Arizona. However i dont believe it is in the best interest of the team to keep Derek Anderson or Max Hall on the Roster for next season. Honestly i see Anderson as a lost cause at this point as strange as it sounds based upon the high quality of Arizona’ s Strength and Cond. coaching staff and how well Whisenhunt has gotten his players into football shape I believe at this point that a guy like Jamarcus Russel would make a better short term answer for the Cardinals than Hall or Anderson. I know that comment there may draw some criticism but im my opinion Russel obviously is a very physically gifted QB and if he can get in shape i believe he could provide enough stability while building a QB through the draft. That being said i would like to see the Cardinals spend the first and second round pick on O line and also i am very impressed with Demarco Murray out of OKLA. Now i know people are saying why go RB so early with Hightower and Wells in the backfield. Honestly Wells has show me that Ohio St. was right he plays only when he wants to play and Hightower just isnt quite talented enough to be a feature back in the NFL. Demarco Murray would be a great addition to the Cardinals offense his work ethic is second to none. Is quick enough to evade tacklers and strong enough to get the tough yards but also he can be utilized in a wildcat form or even be put in at reciever. Ok now knowing that all i have said may surprise everyone enough to keep them reading i will go on to say i believe Arizona can find a solid Quarterback of the Future in Nick Foles in a late second early third round spot. when i began watching Foles this season while he didnt have what anyone would call a great season i was impressed with his ability to throw the short touch passes to his recievers he does a great job getting the ball where only his players can make a play on it. That attribute alone would mesh well with Fitzgerald and Breaston and exciting young prospect Stephen Williams and potentialy Demarco Murray. As the season progressed however i began to be skeptical because without a true deep threat in Arizona i failed to see enough of his ability to throw the deep ball. In the most recent Rivalry game against Arizona St. Not only did i see great form throwing the deep ball but i also saw a look of determination yet relaxation that you look for in a franchise QB and i saw a great drive down with 57 seconds left to tie the game. Now like i said Nick Foles will take some development so a short term one year answer may or may not be necessary but i believe in Nick Foles leading a Cardinals style offense and whether or not the Cardinals take him I know he will have a solid NFL career as well as Demarco Murray.

  34. By brian on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren, I was simply calling coach out on saying he whants to give the team the best chance to win. I would personally like to see us get a franchise QB. I can’t belive you do’nt get that.

  35. By Darren Urban on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Brian —

    RE: Franchise QB

    I do get it. And I don’t argue the premise. But if that’s what you care about, then why do you care what Whisenhunt is currently doing with the QBs — especially if you believe it aids your cause?

  36. By brian on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    I would like to see what skelton has and playing him would be a good indication if he is our future. I do respect the fact that you respond back on things like this but real playing time is the only way we can see if he has it. The hole thing makes me wonder if coach has the abillity to see evaluate the qb position, not saying he is a bad coach yet, but I like a lot of people am begining to wonder.

  37. By cards62 on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Oh great another QB with Swagger ha ha ha. Sorry could not help myself.

    Lets calm down a litle bit until Sunday and Monday and we can see what occurs.

    I do think this is a great game to start Skelton and run the ball like I said in an earlier post so I am going to be positive and hope this is what occurs and then we can talk and or debate with each other again on Monday.
    I just want to see our team play well and see some improvement for next season. To me wins are not important now but playing well and improving our young players for next season, and getting some answers for next season is what I want for Christmas from the Cardinals. Ho Ho Ho.Steve (PS If we do only win one more game this year I want to be the stinking 49ers. I hate those guys.)

  38. By TUCCARDS00 on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Here is a thought. why don’t the Cards put in pass plays that take 2 seconds to develop and teach the QB’s to make a quicker decision to whom to throw to, and get rid of the ball faster. 1 apple, 2 apple, THROW. Offensive line is good for blocking for a maximum 2 seconds, and getting rid of the ball within this time only makes sense. As far as defense is concerned…..ummmmmmm……..ummmmmmmmm. How about tackling fundementals. This might just be the first step in playing defense.

  39. By mustbecards on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Not to diss anyone on the team I love this team but let me start off with the defence why was washington pulled out of the starting spot with hayes back and teams get easy running yards on us washington was on a roll to be team leading tackler and for our corners what happen drc.??? Our front did not pressure a single qb this season.???????? We need a motivation on the defencive side idk if bill is doing anything right now

  40. By Birdlegs on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    It’s not the writing I’m complaining about, it’s the ridiculously stupid personnel decisions. I seriously can not believe the best option at this point is a backup QB from the UFL. Really? I guess all the UFL starting QBs wouldn’t want to play in the NFL?

    And, when that poor decision was done being made, the coach decides to play psychological games with his rookie QB? Another great idea. Others have suggested that Whiz played similar games with Leinart. We’re afraid that starting a rookie 5th rounder QB because we don’t want to damage him. But, once his number is up due to injury, we instead consider starting an undrafted nobody who just signed on Monday, couldn’t even start in the minor leagues and hasn’t taken a single snap in a real NFL game?

    I sincerely hope that this team doesn’t need to draft a QB in the 1st round. Because, by the looks of it, the coaching staff would just ruin him and throw him away.

  41. By TucsonTim on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Nick –

    If you were a serious fan you would know better than suggest that we look at the draft for the past 4 years


    #1 Matt Leinart, perhaps you have heard of him
    #2 Luti, solid starter but 4 pro bowl OL picked later
    #3 Pope, cut and playing for KC
    #4 Gabe Watson, never played to expectations
    #5 Brandon Johnson, spec teams and BU for Cincy
    #6 Johnathan Lewis, 4 tackles 4 games cut
    #7 Todd Watkins, never made it off the practice squad

    You should do your own research. The 2009 draft is particularly interesting as these players should now be coming into their own.

  42. By Cert 33 on Dec 10, 2010 | Reply

    Jamarcus Russell scammed the Raiders for 31 million in “guaranteed” funds. They finally wised up, cut him, and stated to win again. Russell HAS FAILED IN EVERY TRYOUT SINCE with several NFL teams.. He is much, much worse than Anderson. Tim Tebow would be a good fit here but has no experience.

  43. By Cert 33 on Dec 10, 2010 | Reply

    As do many, many Arizonans outside of the Phoenix area, I hunt hogs, javelina, sheep, coues deer, and turkey. I would guess that the majority of males living outside the metro area hunt and fish. Bartel will fit right in. Kurt Warner came to the Rams from NFL europe via arena football. The rest is history.

  44. By cardsalltheway on Dec 10, 2010 | Reply

    Cards –
    RE: Connection
    I have zero idea what your point is here on what “connection” I made. I didn’t mention Vick at all.
    And you are wrong on what I have “mentioned” on Skelton. In fact, I think the only time I have brought up his last preseason game is when someone — probably you — only mentioned his first game while conveniently ignoring everything else. As far as I am concerned, nothing he did in preseason, statistically, means a whole lot.”

    “Statistically,” LOL. His stats were fantastic in the Houston/first preseason game when he led the team to a come from behind victory. Then, he got demoted and you practically ignored it like most other fans out of bliss the local boy/scrawny M. Hall(full of HATE towards a large group/Ute fans/people for the actions of a few at most) moved ahead for what reason? Don’t tell me M. Hall’s stats were better, LOL.
    “Anderson out, so Cards forced to start rookie QB Skelton.”
    At least it will now be known that Ken W. wasn’t ever smart enough to start J. Skelton on merits alone.
    Bartel and HOGS rhymes with Vick and DOGS. How dare you, and finger it out on your own next time.

  45. By Darren Urban on Dec 10, 2010 | Reply

    Cardsall —

    RE: Your post

    OK, I’ll “finger it out” myself next time.

    Speaking of hatred, you never have explained your vitriol for Hall.

  46. By mgarc3000 on Dec 11, 2010 | Reply

    Honestly i dont think anyone can make a case that Derek Anderson is more physically gifted than Jamarcus Russell. Now i cant say that Russell is as determined as Anderson but i think if the Cardinals can whip him into shape he will be an ok short term solution while they bring up a QB of the future. Now if they cant get him into shape then he is definitely no help but if anyone can get him in shape its the Cardinals because I see there Strength and Cond. staff as hands down the best in NFL

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