Panthers aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on December 19, 2010 – 6:50 pm

That high the Cardinals were on last week after beating up the Broncos? Gone today. In a season that has already been disappointing, to lose to a team with just one win hurts a lot. Plus, the Cards head into a short week and have to play a team Christmas night that has found its groove in the Dallas Cowboys.

It was tough not to notice the growing pains of quarterback John Skelton Sunday. The offense simply doesn’t have consistency – which was brought up time and again – and struggles to score touchdowns. “It’s just getting old,” Larry Fitzgerald said.

— The Cards actually seemed to do a good job putting themselves in manageable third downs, especially early. The Cards’ third down-to-go yardage in the first half: 4, 4, 3, 3 (after a five-yard penalty), 3, 4, 4, 4, 10, 5. Unfortunately, the Cardinals converted only four of those 10 plays (and one was the third-and-10.

“One of the things we’ve been battling is third downs and a lot of that is because we’ve had third and long,” coach Ken Whisenhunt said. “We did a better job of getting into the third and (short) section.  We had good plays there and we didn’t execute.  We had guys open.  Part of that is a young quarterback and going through his reads on those things.  He’ll get better at that as he progresses.”

— Skelton was matter-of-fact about his day and his errors. He knows he is still learning. On his interception – a bad choice – he said “those are plays that at a lower level you can get away with but you come here and they’re going to make plays on defense. You know even though the plays might have gone the wrong place with the ball and they’re drops or incompletion or whatever, they are still plays I need to make.”

— One final note on Skelton: It was funny to see this quote from Panthers rookie QB Jimmy Clausen about Skelton: “That’s what I told him after the game. I said, ‘Everything will slow down for you. Just give it some time. Just keep working.’ I was in that situation before. He’s going to be a heck of a player.” Nice words, but considering Skelton actually had an NFL win before Clausen did – Sunday was Clausen’s first – and considering Clausen is just as green, it just struck me as odd.

— In terms of the quarterback situation going forward, wanted to note that Rich Bartel signed a two-year contract. Does that mean he’ll be around in 2011? Not necessarily. But he will be around in the offseason as the Cards try to figure out how they are putting together the QB puzzle for next season.

— The Cardinals used four down linemen quite a bit to battle the Panthers’ running game. It worked at times, although early on, missed tackles didn’t help the defense much. The Cards sold out to stop the run most of the day; that’s what happened on the Panthers’ lone TD when Adrian Wilson was caught on play-action and couldn’t recover to cover tight end Jeff King.

— Drops hurt the Cards again early. TE Stephen Spach, RB Beanie Wells and WR Early Doucet each had passes they couldn’t come up with (a screen to Tim Hightower, in my opinion, was a little too hard in a tight space to be considered a drop) as the Cards had those issues. Again, it might not be more than the past, but when you have trouble moving the ball, those mistakes are magnified.

“I said to our team last night, watching the Thursday Night game, early in that game they put a ball up and their player comes down with and scores a touchdown,” Whisenhunt said. “That kind of got them going and kind of set the table for San Diego.  I said that is what has got to happen for us. We have to have some guys step up and make a play for us.  We didn’t make any plays until late in the game.”

— The final defensive stats are always iffy, since coaches go back and tweak them for every team. But defensive end Calais Campbell had his best game of the season. He was credited with 11 tackles, a sack and four tackles for loss.

— Whisenhunt said he isn’t worried about losing the players or having them shut it down despite the record. “I haven’t seen it,” Whisenhunt said. And wide receiver Steve Breaston said you couldn’t think that way anyway. “You can’t cancel the season in the middle,” Breaston said.

Nope, you can’t. Fourteen down, two to go.

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87 Responses to “Panthers aftermath”

  1. By ross on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    My not so bold prediction: Hightower is a healthy scratch christmas night.

    Its a shame, but he is snakebit right now. Maybe he is trying too hard, I don’t know.

    Best back on the team if he didn’t cough it up. (By far).

    Darren, I think your article jinxed him!

  2. By William Miller on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    I’ve followed the Cardinals since they moved to Phoenix in 1988. I’ve seen them go through a boat load of Quarterbacks. I really like the play of this rookie Skelton. He seems to have a lot of pocket awareness, and is as accurate as any QB since Warner. Give his some support and protection and he’ll work some wonders. Draft or trade for some Offensive lineman.

  3. By John on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Saying ” we just didn’t execute” was old 10 weeks ago. The 3rd down conversion problem has been mainly due to idiotic play calling. If this team doesn’t get an offensive coordinator in the off season then management just doesn’t want to win. Enough is enough is enough with saying the plays were there but we just didnt get it done.. please.
    It seems to me that Hightower has some very serious issues with holding on to the ball when he is tackled. Again, the coach has said week after week its something they are working on. Working on how? Hasn’t worked. Either the coaches don’t know what to do, or it’s time to let Hightower go if they can’t fix that. Too many frustrations, I’ll just stop there.

  4. By Andrew on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Any news on how much was spent to extend Bartel?

    Feel like we’re just throwing money around now.

  5. By Blair on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Well there you go darren. Looks like they ranked it pretty close to right after all. Granted the cards and panther were given more credit you were suprised the panthers were ranked better and said “let’s see”. I don’t see many changes from then no now either, other than the L word of coarse…

  6. By TBru on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    to quote the late great Ron Santo
    “Aw gees”

  7. By brian on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Look this all falls back to ownership, the Bidwills have had this team for 80 years. How many titles do they have to show for it, how many coaches have been cursed by this ownership? The coach always gets the blame becuase he has to be profesional and not tell everyone how cheap the bidwills are, third lowest payroll and how many straight sellouts have we had. Stop going to the games and listen to them on the radio just like I used to when they played at sundevil stadium. The bidwills are rich losers, yes they are rich but they are total losers.

  8. By Phoenixraven1 on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Man I have to tell you the dropped passes are pathetic. Doucet has been a major disappontment this year…Wells too! What’s Wells excuse this week?

    I really do like this kid Skelton, he seems to have some serious upside. Like any rookie we have to deal with the learning curve.

    Really hoping to see more of Schofield and but loved to see Williams and Washigton play well!

  9. By Peter in Canada on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Darren – The game wasn’t shown up here as two losing teams are hardly game of the week material. Apart from the interceptions, Skelton’s numbers seemed to be an improvement over last week. Also wasn’t the Panther defence tougher than Denver’s. Whereas Skelton seemed to improve Hall on the other hand seemed to get worse week by week. Could you comment on this please?

  10. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Peter In —

    RE: Skelton

    I think Skelton played better against Denver. It was his first road game, however. This is going to be a slow process.

  11. By shep on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    starting at quarterback next week for the Cardinals – the “Bill Walsh” of quaterback grooming…Ken Wisenhunt

    Wish you had Leinert now with that 4-10 record COACH

  12. By cardsfan4life on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Who is Jimmy Clausen to be giving any advice? Fitz got his hundred and he is going to have another 1,000 yard season not a pretty one but its still a 1,000 yard season none the less and he is actually on track to have more yards this year than he had last year and he is doing it having 3 different starting QBs thats pretty interesting

    Great Picture Darren
    thanks for all the work you do for us fans

  13. By georgiebird on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    The euphoria after the Bronco game was uncalled for-the game was gift wrapped for the Cards.
    On the Panther game-
    1) how can the defense give up two big plays to start the game.
    2) Adrian Wilson has been exposed big time this year.
    3) Now Campbell has a good game and a guy like Dan Williams regresses- there’s no consistency from week to week.
    4) offensive line is decent considering the QB situation and the fact of playing behind most of the time. 2nd best unit on the team after the WRs.
    5) THT has to learn how to take a hit–as an analogy–instead of the “soft hands” approach in catching a baseball; THT has a “hard hands” collision approach.
    6) the defense needs a captain with a brain to sniff out plays like the misdirection to Jeff King .
    7) Of course Skelton is having growing pains- BUT he’s still the best option AND he is getting valuable experience which can be critiqued in the off-season.
    8) the Cards sorely need a top-notch OC and DC. Other teams have OCs and DCs with more smarts than some HCs- and that type of a handicap is tough to overcome.
    9) agree with you Darren, Jimmy Claussen came away from today’s game as the “old Philosopher- truth is Claussen stinks and the Cards defense made him look like he was in control.
    10) In the NFL its “the system” and not the players. There are many substitutes filling in throughout the league with the good teams.
    Whatever happened to Ben Patrick???

  14. By Pheenic Cromartie on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    I’m going to forget about today’s game, just like I’m trying to forget about this season.

    Darren, do you think we’ll see Richard Bartel play a down this season? I have nothing against John Skelton, and in fact, John Skelton didn’t play half-bad considering it was his first NFL Road Start, but I just want to make sure we don’t have a Tom Brady in hiding. Your thoughts and when, if ever, do you think Richard Bartel will play?

  15. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Pheenic —

    RE: Bartel

    No, I don’t expect him to play, barring injury.

  16. By David on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Cardinals have no consistency whatsoever, I think this year was very dissapointing but I alsp think that it could prove to be good for next season and the growing up of our team.

    Skelton- very shaky yet shows extreme potential for the future, big size is hard to bring down, and he isnt afraid.

    I think next year will be alot better with the experience the rookies this year are getting.

    Darren, what do you think?

  17. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    David —

    RE: Next year

    Gosh I hope so.

  18. By Gilbert Card on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    I really hope my beloved Cards make some significant changes to improve our offensive line for next year, we cannot protect the QB, and seldom you see good holes for our backs. Talking about our backs, I have seen enough of Beanie Wells to define him with one word: Overrated. If not the ribs, the ankle, or a reaction to a lubricant, or stomach flu…whatever. But when he is in there, supposedly healthy, what has he really done to convince anyone he is a good running back? No production, no consistency, nothing. Good game by Branch, Calais and Washington, and is great to see Dan Williams growing into a solid anchor of the D line. Two very tough games ahead. With all the gaps our team currently has I do not expect wins, but I do expect everyone on the field to play their hearts out. Finish strong Cards!!!

  19. By Awesomest wilson on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    This season should never have turned out like this.absolutely no excuse. And to not even get 7 wins for the division is sad. I think we look at coach. Two years and now this? What part of the plan is lose ten plus? I want cam and cowher.

  20. By Ron on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Skelton is making progress and his passing is better today than last week except for the interception. Larry is having good yardage also. The connection between the two is way better than D.A and HAll. In my view the more Skelton plays the better he gets. Don’t you think so Darren?

  21. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Ron —

    RE: Skelton improvement

    That is what the Cards are hoping, yes.

  22. By Storme on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Was it me or does Hightower always try to bounce it outside. Sure it works sometimes, but all the time is different. It was even worst on the screen play, Hightower ran straight into the defender that Faneca kicked out! Hightower needs to hit the inside gaps with authority before he becomes an elite back.

  23. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    When the Coach touts the team’s ability to get in more managable 3rd down situations, you know you’re having a real, real bad season.

  24. By Tinted Face Shield on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply


    Is John Skelton the same guy as John Navarre?

    Doesn’t seem right to inactivate your best run stopper (Hayes) on a day where all the other team can do is run.

    Has Derek Anderson ruined all the receivers and are they worried about getting lit up and that’s why they are dropping balls?

    Was it a good move to start Brandon Keith because it sure seems like Bridges is a lot better.

    Was Alan Faneca really an upgrade over Reggie Wells?

    Can anyone remember the last time Wilson or Dockett made a game changing play?

    Has Wilson made a hard hit all season?

    When is the last time the Cards had a long passing play?

    Is Paris Lenon overrated by the coaching staff? What does he do? The Rams didn’t want him back.

    What happened to Matt Ware? Wasn’t he supposed to be a big part of the defense? His importance last year was probably overhyped.

    Is Alan Branch the best defensive linemen?

    Poor Gabe Watson is getting beat out every week by a 36 year old DT who really doesn’t do anything.

    How is Bryant McFadden good enough to start for the Steelers but not for the Cards?

    Has the defense improved at all since Denny Green left? So much for switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Both are getting the same exact results.

    All we heard about before the season was how much depth the Cards have. Well how many of these guys would make another NFL team and play: Anderson, Hall, Skelton, Wright, Mauia, Williams, Komar, Roberts, Dray, Patrick, Spach, Claxton, Keith, Bridges, Hadnot, Robinson, Watson, Iwebma, Schofield, Obinzor, Walker, Lenon, Adams, McBride, Jefferson, Green, Ware, Johnson, Abdullah.
    That’s a lot of names and bodies, that aren’t providing depth. Making the team is one thing but being able to play is another. If they can’t play, then that’s not depth!

    Obviously, losing Warner, Dansby, Boldin, Rolle were huge loses, but was losing experienced veterans who know how to handle business and replacing them with inexperienced mistake makers just as important? They lost a lot of years with the departures of: St. Pierre, Krieder, Wells, Gandy, Becht, Urban, Okeafor, Berry, Beisel, Brown, McFadden

  25. By Tinted Face Shield on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    And the loss of veteran Sean Morey also has hurt. It’s clear there is no veteran do it the right way leadership

  26. By Richard S. on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Keep the faith John Skelton. A few years ago as I recall the Dallas Cowboys only won 2 games all year when they had a brand new QB, both wins of course were against the Cardinals and that QB went on to have a few good years.

  27. By Eric Y on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    Damn. What a bummer. What is wrong with this team? Why can’t we get it right! Is Whiz too emotional and superstitious? Probably not, but I find myself wondering if he thinks that whenever we get a win, it’s all good and things will be fine because we have good practices etc… It doesn’t matter what a guy has done with the last few years. At some point the blame has to ride on the coaches shoulders and how he’s running his program. That said, Whiz has been great… but is he still great? What would Belichick have done with this team? Granted it’s hypothetical, it really gets me wondering what we’ve really got. Fact: After a season like this, eyes are on our head guy.

    All said and done, I’m looking forward to next year. I hope we have a good draft and find someone legit to replace Big Russ. I want Whiz around (As a fan.), and hope he pulls it together with these guys. I know he’s capable of making winners and we’ve all seen it. I think that the next 2 seasons will be a big indicator as to what we have in our head guy. In whiz we trust?

    Stick with Skelton and get Bulger to work with him? Pick up Mcnabb? Draft a QB stud? Build a solid line with the draft? Grab up better corners with the draft?… What do we do? What do we need? Too much wrong right now.

    Warner couldn’t have made that much difference. Could he?

  28. By NJAzCardsFAn on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    The QB Merry-Go-Round really makes one appreciate how good Kurt Warner was…..
    I was hoping Skelton would have been a little bit better in this start..

    Darren, do you think there will be wholesale changes on this team in the off-season??? With both the coaching staff and players? The QB situation on this team is really bad. I can’t understand why they would sign Bartels to a two year deal. Can one assume DA and Hall are gone?

    Merry Christmas to all…..

  29. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    NJAz —

    RE: Offseason

    Well, Bartel can be a fourth QB and be cut before the season so it’s not that earth-shattering.

    As for wholesale changes, it’s possible. The labor situation could gum up the works somewhat.

  30. By Michael on Dec 19, 2010 | Reply

    There is no way they can bench Hightower, yes he fumbled again, but its clear he is running with purpose. It is very comforting to see him play like it is the Super Bowl on every play. I do not get that sense with Beanie. I think it would be nice if more players “tried too hard.”…And I believe Skelton will be a good pro, but with so many veterans, a veteran QB is needed for next year. Isn’t Vick a free agent?

  31. By Eazy E on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    We just lost to the lowly panthers and we DON’T NEED McNABB??? Skelton played like a rookie qb and made mistakes. The interception was like whoa and he lost a fumble on a sack. The running game didn’t get going, way too inconsistent in the running game with all that talent in the backfield. Hightower only had 6 carries for 16 yards and Beanie had 8 carries for 11 yards. They was stacking the box like us but they were much more successful, more on that in a minute. Larry Fitz continues to play well even with a horrible qb quandary the whole year. He caught 9 balls for 125 yards and had a big game but that was about it for our inept passing game and offense overall. O-Line allowed 3 sacks, that aint too pretty on the books, can you say McNabb Please??? Defense played solid save for the run defense which had improved along with the defense the last few weeks. Calais beasted with as darren said 11 tackles, sack, and 4 tackles for loss. Dockett recovered a fumble that helped but the offense couldn’t do anything with it. Lenon continues to play well also with a sack and made some nice plays. Secondary did well except for that crazy crack back play to jeff king that went for a td, I aint mad at a-wil for that, that is a crazy play, I have seen that play a couple times and unless you know it’s coming, it is unguardable. Andre performed well when larod went out with that hamstring, he had some very explosive returns. That was extremely embarrassing to lose to by far the WORST team in football!!!!!

  32. By UC on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    I charted the 3rd down plays the Cards have run over the last two games. They’ve had 31 such plays, and have converted eight of them, a 25.8% conversion rate. These 31 3rd downs included three 3rd & 2, four 3rd & 3, and seven 3rd & 4.

    Here’s the important detail I derived from these stats, the detail that reveals so very much about King Whiz’s competence as a coach, and about his integrity as a person: of these 31 3rd downs, of which 14 were needing four yards or less, the number of times the Cards called a rushing play is…..three. THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please think about the significance of these numbers for a moment. With a rookie QB, who is starting his first two games in the NFL, King Whiz has chosen to pass the ball on 3rd down 90.3% of the time, or 28 of 31 plays. AND, he’s chosen to pass the ball 85.8% of the time, or 12 of 14 plays, when it’s 3rd & 4 or shorter. HE’S PASSED 85.8% OF THE TIME ON 3RD & 4 OR SHORTER!!!! What competent NFL coach does this? Especially when it’s being done by an inexperienced QB, and is repeatedly not working? Even if Warner was still QB, this kind of playcalling simply will not sustain drives, score touchdowns, or give your defense any rest.

    BTW, these numbers do NOT include the play against the Panthers on which Skelton scrambled for a 1st down, because that play was not a called rush. Obviously we don’t know how many of these plays actually had a rushing play called and Skelton audibled to a pass play, but it’s not even remotely reasonable to believe that Skelton’s audibles resulted in a 28-3 disparity between passing/rushing plays in these last two games. If they did, then King Whiz allowing Skelton to do that means King Whiz is even more incompetent than I thought. But I don’t expect that Skelton changed even one of these plays, I expect this tendency is the brainchild of King Whiz. If I have the time, I’ll run these numbers for earlier games this season and see if they remain so staggeringly skewed.

    Oh, and of the THREE rushing plays the Cards had on 3rd down over the last two games, ALL OF THEM were converted. ALL OF THEM. That leaves the Cards with a success rate while passing on 3rd down at 5 of 28 plays, or 17.9%, with the success rate of rushing the ball on 3rd down at 3 of 3 plays, or 100%. Gee, didn’t Einstein say something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? Oh yeah, he was referring to behavior that was insane, not the playcalling of an NFL head coach. My mistake.

    By the way, not only were ALL the 3rd down rushes converted, the gains on those rushes are interesting: a 3rd & 5 gained 11 yards, a 3rd & 4 gained 35 yards, and a 3rd & 3 gained 5 yards.

    But King Whiz never blames his nonsensical playcalling for causing, or even contributing, to the Cards’ poor performance this year. It’s always the fault of this player for dropping passes, or that player for not kicking right, or some other player for not lining up in the right gap. King Whiz says it’s the fault of the players for not executing on game day, or the fault of the players for making mental errors, or even the fault of the fans for not supporting King Whiz as much as he believes he deserves to be supported. All we’ve gotten from King Whiz about the Cards’ pathetic performance this year are excuses, all of which point the blame at people other than himself or his staff. King Whiz likes to carry himself as if he’s an upright, no-nonsense, straight-shooting kind of guy. Yet, not only does he not “fall on the sword” for any of his players’ mistakes, not only does he refuse to call himself out for his own mistakes, he repeatedly and consistently latches onto others to blame when the team has been put in untenable situations by the decisions of himself and his staff.

    Strange, though, that King Whiz was perfectly willing to take credit for the Cards’ success over the previous two seasons. However, as this season has unfolded, some things about King Whiz’s actual level of competence have become clear. While King Whiz apparently has some ability to judge talent, the improvement in the Cards’ drafting results has been consistent since Graves became GM, so the improvement is probably because of his involvement, not King Whiz’s. Hailey obviously was the one who knew how to properly prepare, execute, and adapt a game plan, and the only thing King Whiz actually deserves credit for in this regard is in the hiring of Hailey. After Hailey left, and given King Whiz’s brain-dead playcalling this season, it’s obvious that Warner must have been ignoring a great deal of the plays that King Whiz wanted to run, and instead ran the plays he wanted to, for which the only credit King Whiz deserves here is in being so much in awe of Warner that he let Warner get away with it.

    So, probably because of Graves, the Cards are now absolutely loaded with talent. But, with no competent offensive mind now in the building, and no QB willing to challenge the idiotic playcalling, what we see is what King Whiz is capable of when he’s left to his own devices. King Whiz also deserves the credit for the defense’s play, since he hand-picked Billy Boy to run that side of the show. I never really understood why Pandergast had been fired, but as it’s turned out, I guess he must not have been willing to toe the Whiz line. And as we saw with Q, and as we’ve seen with the playing time of “certain” players this season, King Whiz doesn’t like people around who won’t toe the Whiz line.

    As for you Cardinal “fans” out there who like to whine about those of us who are pointing out the serious flaws with which this team is being run, we are not here to support the coach, we are here to support the team. If you want to continue showering King Whiz’s posterior with your affections, go right ahead, I guess you must like the taste. But those of us who are willing to deal with reality can plainly see what the cause is for this embarrassment of a season, and that cause is on TV after every game, and at least twice a week, blaming other people for his own mistakes.

    I heard during the Eagles-Giants game that Bill Cowher is making noise about nearly being ready to coach again in the NFL. Perhaps the Bidwills should look into hiring a former Steelers coach who’s actually worth a damn.

  33. By Darthcard on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    I thought John Skelton got a valuable lesson today. This kinda game pays dividends in the future. I also feel fixing the offensive tacke spots is a major priority. And some guys need to start playing like professionals and stop dropping balls you absolutely must catch. Wether it’s Skelton or some high draft pick we the cardinal fans must understand = u cannot plant a apple tree and expect apple juice in 2weeks. It take time and patience.

  34. By D.Burban on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    In forty years of following the Cardinals, I do not believe they have ever had a backup quarterback that turned out to be a true NFL starter. Warner does not count he was proven, and they did not draft him. John Skelton appears to be an NFL quarterback, whether or not he has the determination and desire to be a winner or get to the Super Bowl only time will tell.

    Ken Whisenhunt needs to make changes in his philosophy; he did not use training camp or the preseason to get the team ready for the season. He puts too much emphasis on player evaluation and not enough on getting prepared to play. Player evaluations need to be done and over with during the offseason. He is going into his 5th and possibly his last season with the Cardinals, he has yet to produce a top half of the league defense or a running game. If he does not produce those things next year, he is gone.

    At the end of every season, there are NFL proven coaches available, he had better get two proven coordinators this year or his arrogance will be his demise. I would trade the Cardinals coaching staff for Kansas City’s right now; we would be a contender instead of a pretender with that staff. The coaching staff and their philosophy has been the biggest problem this year, no more free ride. Four and ten with the talent on this team is a coaching problem, and they did nothing about it all year.

  35. By Old Man Riva on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    As I have promised…no negativity; but it’s getting harder to do. Too bad the Big Red are playing so poorly because Steve Breaston has got to be one of the most underrated players in the NFL. He was in Boldin’s shadow and now that he is there for all to see, we are playing terrible. He is one of the best possession receivers in the game and always seems to be playing his butt off regardless of the assignment. Obviously he is a member of the core of players we need to build around next year. After yesterday’s games, we moved up a couple of spots in the draft. Makes me wonder if the pick gets better, should the team consider trading for some veteran guys (QB, LB, RB?) instead of throwing the dice and spending the big bucks on what could be another Ryan Leaf?
    As fast as teams turn the corner in this league, coupled with the fact we still have some very good football players, I can be optimistic and as loyal as ever. After 50 years, what have I got to lose? lol.
    Thanks for writing a great blog in the face of adversity Darren. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to all!

  36. By aaaaudio on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Hopefully we turn it on for the Cowpies. It will be miserable in the stands considering how many Cowpie fans come out for AZ games if the Birds don’t put together a good game. Losing to the Panthers ? Wow… This is a very forgetable year IMO. Hopefully they lose out and get a top three pick. Andrew Luck, Cam Newton or Locker? Or do we pick up a running back? or half a team? Or how about Wade Phillips as DC and Brad Childres as OC? I think the organization needs to NOT lead the league in being cheap next year.

  37. By reap37 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    What a shame, especially after the Broncos game. Cards seemed so flat and uninspired and we all know this team is better than that. The QB situation is the same as when the season started. Before next season, blah, blah, blah. Still would do anything to get Andrew Luck. At this rate we could have the 3rd or 4th pick and should do a deal!

  38. By WNY card fan on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Else where in the blog, someone said that they’d blame Rookie Skeleton. Well so far haven’t seen it, but hopefully, fans and coaches don’t. He’s played better than the others, and yes some mistakes, but don’t yank him yet. Let him play the last two games and continue to learn. If the O-line can get some guts, perhaps he could do better (and receivers don’t drop balls).

    Anyone see the packer game last night? 2 things that made me think about the loser cards. 1) 2nd string QB, pretty much first start and he looked GOOD. Obviously don’t know what he’s done/learned/prepped in last years, but none the less, looked pretty good. Why can’t cards have someone like that? Can we go after Flynn in off season? 2) Packers have been struggling at running all year, last night they pounded the ball big time. Not sure if they did huge running numbers, but they pounded it and ALMOST won the game through the air because of it. Can we do that? Pound it? O-line that bad we can’t even think about it?
    Seems like one of the biggest things we can do next year is getting an O-coordinator.

  39. By dioalice on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Really? A two-year contract for an off-the-street emergency QB only signed because of injuries to Anderson and Hall? I’m starting to doubt that Cardinals management a) wants to win and b) has any clue of how to do it. That guy should be paid by the hour, not by the season…

    I’ve been a fan since 1970, but the way Whiz botched the QB situation this season, and finding out little things like the Bartel signing, makes me wonder if the inmates aren’t running the asylum.

    Go Cards! (No. Really. Go…)

  40. By Tarl Sampson on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    OOOO well !! At least we didnt get blown out of the water. It was a game were u had hope all the way till the end. It was a nail bitter and in the end we lost, but I still enjoyed it. Panthers had a stout Defence, my hats off to them. Sketlon messed up a bit, but thats to be expected. Loved the effort he showed picking up the first down with his run. Yes we need another good quarterback, of course, but I still like Skelt. I know we wont get McNabb but I sure wish we could!!

  41. By LB on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Is the offense boycotting John Skelton’s career? Because i’ve never seen them drop this many passes before.

  42. By David on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    C’mon Man!

  43. By Gang6230 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    I have seen all the cards games on Sunday ticket Skelton is the cards future qb. He is by far way better than da or hall he can be a great qb. The thing is he is gonna have to grow and learn. However he handeled himself better yesterday give in a more adverse environment. Hey DArren will he be starting against dallas

  44. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Gang6230 —

    RE: Skelton v Dallas

    Don’t know why he wouldn’t.

  45. By joe67 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    You are right William. HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFENSIVE LINE!! Everyone needs to go except maybe Sendlein. I know they won’t all go, but my god they are REALLY BAD!. And as I have said before, “this bad with a coach that is considered to be one of the best??”

  46. By Chuck 1 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    What a sorry organization (to lose to a team that had won only one game).
    And, the fans have more of the same to look forward to next season (if there is one next year).
    Come to think of it, maybe that would be best for all if the 2011 season is canceled.
    No reason to expect better results for the next season (whenever that is) for the following reasons:
    #1: Owners who won’t invest any money to improve the team.
    #2: A GM and Scouting Department who can’t evaluate talent.
    #3: A Head Coach and Coaching Staff who can’t shoot straight.

  47. By stop compairing on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    I wish they would stop compairing him to roethlisberger. Skelton is 2 inches taller and already seems to be a much better person than what they have in pittsburgh. I think they should be compairing to manning instead ( the good one ). Manning is more of a stand up guy but seriously – the kid is going to be the future and i think we lucked out on getting him. He can get some live games under his belt and come out winning next year. Im excited for it – as long as the rest of the team goes to pass catching and tackling school !!!! I sure hope fitz see’s the potential and sticks around.

  48. By disappointed_card on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Well, you know that Leinart dump strategy did not work and Ken did make a mistake. It is up to him now to rectify. I am so sad it did not work for DA. I thought he will come back strong. Well, here is the story. They have to hold Fitz from signing elsewhere. What is the price? Whiz better show Fitz a QB. Who is it? Kevin Kolb, McNabb? There may not be a choice anymore but to bite the bullet and get them.

  49. By Voice of Reason on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    It is clear that at a minimum, the Cards need to bring in a veteran quarterback next year that has some pedigree. Marc Bulger comes to mind. Otherwise, Larry Fitzgerald is good as gone. You could see it on his face in his post-game interview.

    As a fan, I want Fitzgerald to spend his career here, and I’ll be there when they put him in the Ring of Honor. But I can’t blame him for wanting to go somewhere else if the team regresses to late 90s mentality. To show that they aren’t there (and never will be again), they need to be extremely proactive this offseason (not stupid, just proactive). Get a veteran quarterback. Get someone in here that can rush the passer. Improve the OL.

    BTW — Anquan Boldin also should be in the Ring of Honor as soon as he is done playing. We aren’t where we are (or were) without him.

  50. By Voice of Reason on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Hey D.Burban:

    What about when both Steve Buerlein and Chris Chandler were here? While one was starting, the other was a backup. And both ended up being pretty good for other teams…

  51. By Andrew on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Wiz needs to do some serious shake-up on the coaching staff. The Cards also need to get a decent O-line in place. Since they have reverted to the ‘same ol cards’ there isn’t much viewing of games here, but in those I have seen, RB’s are competing with defensive players for the hand-offs. And it will take an exceptional QB to watch the pass rush and down-field at the same time. As another commenter said, Wiz’s statement about having the right calls but not executing is pathetic on so many levels. Were the plays not tailored to an inexperienced QB? Did they depend on their pathetic lineman actually being able to block? If I were the Cards management, I would get some outside consultants involved to key the areas — personnel and coaches — that are issues and make changes.

  52. By SteveDCO on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Chuck – Really?

    1) The owners tried to match the Giants offer and make Rolle the highest paid FS ever. They paid Dockett, Warner, Fitz, Wilson. Seems to me the only player they let go was Dansby.

    2) Fitz, Dansby, Dockett – thats a bad draft year. They were our 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks a few years back. Williams, Washington, Roberts, Skelton, Obrien, Drey all played last week and making contibutions.

    3) I watch just about every presser that comes out and have never seen any coach except Whiz speak. Whiz has always said he will start the player that gives the team the best chance to win. Please tell me when this didn’t happen?

    And to those to say Whiz needs to change his entire philophy in coaching. He learned it from Cowher one of the most consistent teams in history.

    This team has a serious lack of talent at the QB spot. They got burned thinking Warner was coming back for another year, which would have allowed a rookie to develop on the bench for a year. Once Warner retired, they signed the best FA QB on the market.

    Anyone saying Matt L should still be here. He can’t beat out Dan Orlosky for the #2 spot on a bad Houston team. I respect Whiz for making the choice and putting the players that gave us the best chance to win on the field.

    This team has too many 1st years playing. They will make mistakes, they will miss reads, they will learn and get better. Think about Roberts 1st game returning kicks to the last few games.

    Do changes need to be made? Yes.

    Henderson is not making the DBs better. In fact they look bad many times this year.

    We need a vet QB in here to challenge Skelton in the preseason. I like Hasselback.

    Davis will probably be the scapegoat for the year as well.

  53. By Janice on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Brian, you are so right. Everybody wants to blame the coaches, Rod Graves, the QBs when the real cause is the Bidwells. They are and have been the prime reasons for the team’s failures. Graves has only been here 10 years and Wiz 4. How can this be their fault. The ticket prices keep going up and the salaries down.

  54. By Scott H on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Yeah, losing to Carolina is a bummer…but ya know what? A couple of things…first, while I would have been further outraged if we had lost with Anderson at QB, I don’t mind as much while we are giving a rookie QB a chance to learn and grow. I can – and will – live with that. That’s OK.

    Second, since this season is what it is at this point, maybe it’s better that we are where we are INSTEAD OF being tied for a division lead with 6-8 record and being an absolute joke because of it. Seriously. That’s what the NFC West is right now – a national joke because it is going to be won by a team with a losing record. Ya know what? Fine. Let it be the Seahawks or the Rams that has to deal with that. One of those teams is going to be THE resaon why rules regarding the playoffs will probably be changed immediately after this season. Again, fine. Let’s NOT be the team that makes that happen.

    Oh, any of you McNabb people notice the performance Rex Grossman gave yesterday behind THE SAME OFFENSIVE LINE and with THE SAME OFFENSIVE WEAPONS that McNabb has had all year in Washington??? Funny, they suddenly look like a whole different team, don’t they? My gosh, how did that happen? Can’t wait to see what kind of pathetic excuses you people come up with this time! Philly dumped McNabb and they are better this year. Washington dumped McNabb and they were better a week later. But, please…don’t let a little thing like REALITY impair your pathetic allegiance to Donovan McNabb.

  55. By Mandy on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Can someone please ask the coach….WHY cant he commit to single RB ? Opening play, Howling. Next play, Hightower. Later on, Wells. Then, back to Hightower. There is absolutely no stability at the RB position. Its like he cant make up his mind or commit to one. Not a single RB can get any type of rhythm or momentum going. If Wells is hurt, then dont play him as much. If he’s healthy, give him 20 carries a game. Not every game has been a blowout where they couldnt stick to the run. Seems like all 4 wins revolve around good D and running. Unreal.

  56. By Chuck 1 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Because I don’t believe that we will see enough improvement in what the Bidwills, Graves, Whiz, his coaching staff and the Scouting Department will do in the off-season, I strongly recommend that those of you who have season tickets, DON’T RENEW THEM for 2011.

    It might send a message to the organization if some season ticket holders would organize a protest.

  57. By cardsfan007 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply


    What are the chances the Cardinals might pick up a well rounded DB in next years free agency, because despite a lot of the problem being run defense, i truly think Greg Toler is giving up to many “BIG YARDAGE” plays, and that can really really hurt us when plays like that add up.

    What are the chances we might pick up Champ Bailey? If the broncos don’t resign him. That would certainly be a Cornerbacking Core to be Wreckoned with.

  58. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    cardsfan —

    RE: Champ

    Even if Bailey hits the market, the Cards don’t usually chase someone like that.

  59. By georgiebird on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply


    1) glad to see Antrelle Rolle have a horrible game for the Giants yesterday. Rolle plays very much like A-dub- Big pays and very bad plays. I’m so glad we got rid of him- it was a real good move.

    And to Mr. Burban- about Cardinal back-up QBs. If you’ve been rooting for 40 years, you missed it. In the late 1960’s an undrafted, backup QB replaced Charley Johnson- his name was Jim Hart. What was amazing, there were 14 rounds in the draft back then. Jim Hart threw the ball as well as any QB to play the game- the only problem-he was slow as cement and was blitzed on a regular basis.

  60. By Scott H on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Eazy E –

    In addition to everything I said in my previous post re McNabb, can I just ask a simple question? What would McNabb be doing for the Cardinals that he couldn’t do for the Redskilns? Very simple question. Can you give me a simple answer that is based in reality and not in your perception of Mcnabb as a great QB? Because reality should tell you that if Mcnabb was good enough to lead a team right now, he’d still be playing for the Redskins this year. Wouldn’t he? And forget about all the stuff going on with the Redskins this year. That is exactly the stuff that distracts everyone from realizing that McNabb just ain’t that good. He has been benched ( actually, demoted to third string ) because of his performance. Period. And Shanahan is absolutely justified in doing what he did. The Redskins went down the tubes this year for the same reason the Cardinals did – bad decisions at the QB position. Making McNabb the QB here next year would just be more of the same. To answer your question – NO, we DO NOT need McNabb here. Eagles didn’t want him after last year. Redskins don’t want him anymore this year. ( You following this? ) And I don’t want him here next year.

  61. By joe67 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    If this is all the Bidwills’ fault, then the Superbowl appearance has to be “fault”also!!
    Its been a bad year, nothing has gone as planned. We will be back!!!

  62. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    If I were Andrew Luck, I’d be a lot more tempted to leave the draft early if the Cards have the first pick, and not the Panthers, Bengals, or Broncos. Those three teams are going to have new head coaches next year and Arizona (just two years removed from the Super Bowl, with Fitzgerald and Breaston still on the roster in 2011), and Arizona won’t. And it’s a lot warmer in Arizona than either of those three places.

  63. By Justin Wheeler on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    Few comments on the Cards…

    1) I like coach Whiz as our head coach.
    2) I hate coach Whiz as our play caller. His play calls fall under two catagories every time: Predictable and/or stupid. Real OC please!!
    3) Bill Davis and our DB coach need to go. They are the “Derek Andersons” of our defense.
    4) Adrian Wilson is a great leader and playmaker. He is a terrible coverage safety. I really think we need to look into using him as a hybrid linebaker most of the time. However that would require Matt Ware to improve and Rashad Johnson to tackle.

  64. By Fitzgirl11 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    i’m thinkin everybody should stop complaining about the cards situation at this point…we have nothing to lose n’ really nothing to gain…this season went up in smoke a looong time ago xcept we were still hopefull cause our division blows…6-10 or 7-9 will prob take it…those who aren’t gonna renew ur season tix if there is a season next yr good for u…u’ll be saving some money maybe jokes on me cause im a tru cards fan n’ am stickin to my team win or lose… so bring on the cowboys n’ 49ers…congrats to fitz on his milestones…wish we coulda had a better season for him….GO CARDS!!!

  65. By Voice of Reason on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    UC — postively brilliant analysis.

    On Rolle — let’s not even go there. Kerry Rhodes is a better safety. Rolle is a cover 2 corner that has never played in that system. If he did, I suspect he’d be very good. Rhodes is a bona-fide free safety that has made plays all year long. Easily the best pickup of the offseason.

    Burban and Darren — Champ Bailey would be perfect. Darren’s quick dismissal of the notion shows what is wrong with the organization. Good teams bring in aged (wise?) corners that know how to play the game and can mentor younger players. Bad organizations dismiss such notions out of hand as Darren did. Darren, your reaction (and inside position) speaks volumes.

    I think the Cards win the division next year if they do four things. First, bring in a veteran quarterback like Marc Bulger. Second, if Luck or Newton aren’t there in Round 1, pick a LT or pass rusher that’s the best in the draft. Third, shore up their secondary with a veteran corner that will keep DRC focused. And four, hire an offensive coordinator that will call plays and replace Bill Davis at DC with someone like Mike Nolan or Wade Phillips — two 3-4 guys with top level success in those positions.

    Stop screwing around with position coaches that are over their heads (Davis, Miller and Grimm all come to mind here). Good OC and DC that call plays will allow Whiz to do what needs to do — use his intelligence to manage the game. Hey, it worked in 2008…

  66. By cards62 on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply


    The Cardinals signed the best free agent QB on the market?
    Derek Freaking Anderson? Derek Freaking Anderson?

    I could have been a better GM or head coach on the handling of our QBs this year. The division was ours for the taking and no position is more important than QB. I am not a Matt Leinart lover and they had Matt for 3 years so if he is not your guy fine, but trade him to Seattle and bring in 3 veterans QBs. No returning QB on a team that went to the playoffs the last 2 years. Seems like a good job opening to me, and the only person I have to beat out is Derek Anderson okay Cardinals where do I sign?

    I want Whiz here next year, but he blew it as did Graves and they blew it big time. Go Cards Is it 2011 yet?

  67. By TBru on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    “The coach always gets the blame becuase he has to be profesional and not tell everyone how cheap the bidwills are, third lowest payroll and how many straight sellouts have we had.”

  68. By SteveDCO on Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

    So what FA QB should Graves have brought in last off season? There wasn’t anyone out there. They made a play for Whitehurst by Carroll over paid and Graves wisely didn’t sell the future for a stop gap QB.

    You don’t think Graves tried to trade Matt before releasing him? No one wanted him.

    Darren Urban is a reporter. He doesn’t run the draft board or run the scout team. I read his work daily but I’m guessing Graves doesn’t.

    Bringing in wise veterans? You mean like Porter? You mean like Denver did last year with Dawkins? Teams don’t let good players go unless you over pay or they are past their prime. Denver showed how that worked. They have a 3 to 5 year rebuilding project to deal with now. It worked great in Washington too.

    Champ Bailey had a contract on the table with Denver this year. He refused to sign it as he wanted a Revis type deal. Denver like eveyone else in the NFL knows Bailey will be a safety in the next 2 years or less. He even stated he knew this when he refused to sign his contract offer. BTW this contract would have made him a top 10 paid CB.

    Someone asked why McFadden was able to play with Pitt and not AZ. Have you watched Pitt play? He gets abused almost every week. Pitt has the best safety to ever play the game. They have a pass rush. Our CBs are fine. Our OLBs creating no pressure are the issue.

    We were 6th in sacks in 2009. We are 26th this year off by almsot 20 sacks.

    I understand everyone is frustrated this year and Whiz and Graves are the easiest targets (since there is no QB to blame).

    Please watch the games, know the drafts and the 2010 FA market before trying to play Fantasy Football. This is the NFL.

    I want to see changes too but Graves and Whiz are not the issue. Look at Graves drafts since 2002. The Fitz draft may be one of the best of the decade by any team. All but one person from this years draft is playing and doing okay.

    Whiz took over a bad team (just watched the Chi vs AZ highlights on MNF) and within 2 years took them to a SuperBowl! Warner is a HoF player but also was cut by STL and NY. Whiz helped make him great AND Whiz called plays last year when we one the division and a playoff game. In fact he has called plays all but one year (yes, I know that was the SB year). He also called plays for a pretty good team before he came to AZ. You may have heard of the Steelers.

    For all the haters…..give up yor season tickets, yell at the coach and GM, tell us how you could run it like fantasy football. We will see you in a few years when this becomes the dominate team for years that WHiz/ Graves are building!

  69. By Scott H on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    cards62 & Steve DCO –

    I wasn’t happy with the Anderson signing at all from the minute they signed him.. But, yeah, there wasn’t a lot of options. I really don’t think the big mistake was SIGNING Anderson. They needed a veteran QB in here and he was as good as any available. The big mistake involving Anderson was in Whiz’s decision to stick with him and continuing to annoint him the QB that gave us the best chance to win when all we kept doing was losing. Seven games in a row, to be exact. Anderson is what he is. It’s not his fault he’s not any more than an average back-up in this league. Whiz completely botched the situation by sticking with him and denying Skelton valuable game experience he could have used to learn and grow THIS YEAR. Because of that, we’re going into training camp next year with nothing but question marks at QB. Again.

  70. By Justin Wheeler on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    Steve DCO

    You are one of the few people on here who’s comments actually make sense. Your reasoning on why it’s not always worth it to splurge on a “Champ Bailey” veteran was spot on.

    You mentioned some changes did need to be made. What are a few of the things you’d like to see Arizona do in 2011? How would you handle the QB situation moving forward?

  71. By SteveDCO on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    Scott H

    I would have like to see Skelton in there too.

    My guess and it is only a guess by reading into some of Whiz’s interviews is he wanted to go slow with Skelton even if it cost the team in the short term.

    Whiz has 1st hand experience with QBs getting to start early and with QBs waiting with Big Ben and Rippen.

    I have never seen Whiz not put the best players on the field and I still belive that with QB. The differnence is it may have been to help the team win long term.

    We all want to see Skelton play so we can evaluate him. Whiz gets to see him play against Toler, DRC, Wilson and Rhodes each and every week. Before anyone says our DBs are having a rough year. You can create artifical pass rush in practive with a clock. The ball is out in so many seconds or it is a sack.

    As Whiz said in his presser, Skelton is still missing some basic reads and checking into the right play at the line. He can get better at that just reading coverages in practice and on paper.

  72. By clssylssy on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    Glad to see a few people have opened their eyes and are finally putting the blame where it belongs–solely on the shoulders of the Bidwells for being to cheap and greedy to pay salaries for an Offensive Coordinator, Defensive Coordinator and retaining some veteran players. It always amuses me, kinda tragically, that people around the league, sports analysts, and just about anybody aside from our resident armchair experts recognized what a dynamic tandum receiving team Boldin and Fitz were and how much they contributed to the Cardinals success. This season was flushed when Leinert was let go just days before the opening of regular season, not so much because he was a great QB, but because there was no plan in place for providing QB depth. It’s hard to win games when you have to depend on the Special Teams and Defense to get the job done. Others around the league recognize the talent and promise in John Skelton and circumstances considered, he did a respectable job on only his second NFL start and first road game. Early Doucet was an all-stater before going to LSU, knows the playbook and would have made an easy substitution in the QB position; he sure couldn’t have done much worse than DA, who unfortunately, will be the scapegoat because of the greed of the ownership. With the significant losses we sustained in both coaching staff and veteran players, I believe this is what is known as a “rebuilding year.” Let’s continue to support our fine players and coaching staff and send a message to the Bidwells that if they want to continue to fill the Phoenix Stadium they will need to loosen the purse strings.

  73. By cards62 on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    Steve DCO

    QBs we could have had this year other than Derek Anderson. Some would have involved trades but would have been an improvement.
    My pick Marc Bulger (I have said this from the preseason) Others
    Kyle Boller Jason Campbell Rex Grossman Shaun Hill Donovan McNabb
    Sage Rosenfel’s Troy Smith Seneca Wallace.
    I would never have risked my season on only Derek Anderson. If Coach Whiz wanted him fine, but bring in one ot these other guys.

    My understanding is that Seattle inquired early in the offseason about Matt Leinart and the Cardinals told them no that he was our QB for 2010. This is what I have heard all year if I am wrong and you or others know that I am wrong please correct me on this as this is my understanding.

    Coach Whiz did not play Leinart enough in the preseason or coach him up to be our starter in 2011. Like I said earlier if Coach Whiz would have dumped Leinart in the offseason no problem but he did not and we fans were lead to believe he was our starting QB in 2010. This is mismanagement no matter how you try to coat it our QB situation was/is totally mismanaged in 2010.
    Please also tell me again how John Skelton would have done worse than Max Hall earlier in the year?

    We also made several wrong moves on our OL again this year.
    Q should have been resigned (I would not have signed Rolle or Dansby for the money and the cards tried to sign Dansby to an extension for 2 to 3 years.)

    I agree with you that our secondary overall has played well and that our primary weakness on defense has been our front seven against the run and pass. I would like to see us bring in a veteran next year at CB to turn our young corners and safeties into professional. Maybe he is our 2nd or 3rd corner but he coaches up the young dbs.

    Steve I would like to know your thoughts on which group is worse. Our defensive line or our linebackers or do you think it is all just coaching?

    Thank you for answering and have a good day.

  74. By Darren Urban on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    Cards62 —

    RE: Leinart

    Don’t know if Seattle inquired early, but I do know the Seahawks were not interested in a trade at the end of the preseason when the Cards were ready to move Matt. And of course they didn’t pick him up when he was a free agent.

  75. By Scott H on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    cards62 –

    Well, it’s all water under the bridge at this point, but in regard to your list of other QB candidates we could have had last year…

    Bulger – I wasn’t crazy about him at the time because it had been so long since he’s played well. He was stuck on a bad Rams team and he spent about two full seasons just getting the you-know-what pounded out of him. Having the benefit of seeing what what life was like with Derek Anderson, I can only say NOW that I wish we had gone after Bulger instead.
    McNabb – Didn’t want him then. Don’t want him now. Neither do the Redskins. Last year, he was available only via a trade. And I guess the Cardinals didn’t want to pay the price. Thank God.
    Rosenfels – Ah, interesting name! And I say that because you are one of the few people ( besides myself ) to mention his name, then or now. I would have been VERY happy to have had him here. For anyone who didn’t notice, he was having an AMAZING pre-season for the Vikings while they were waiting for Favre’s sorry old ass to return. He looked GREAT! I believe he would have required a trade as well. Don’t know what the asking price might have been, but…maybe he would have been worth it. He’s still a person of interest for me
    Hill – Yet another name that I was big on but it didn’t seem like anyone else was…except you, of course. One thing is for sure – he’s better than Derek Anderson! I knew that then. We all know it now. When he went to the Lions for a 7TH ROUND PICK, I was pissed. The Lions got him for nothing. We paid a lot more for DA and got a lot less.
    Grossman – Very hot and cold player. Jury may still be out, but I don’t know if he’s really a starter in this league. You could do worse, though. And we did.

    No one else on your list really excites me at all. Boller has had moments…but seems like a back-up, really. I come back to Rosenfels as a guy I hope they may pursue. After that, maybe Bulger. But Bulger is only a very short-term fix at best. Ultimately, we would still be in search of a QB.

    Assuming the Eagles are going to lock up Michael Vick, Kevin Kolb might just be THE guy for us. He could give us a present and a future. Obviously, Vick would be my first choice IF he were – by some miracle – available after this season.

    This has been a fun dialogue! I appreciate your including Hill and Rosenfels on your list because they were high on my list as well when they weren’t really being mentioned much anywhere else.

  76. By SteveDCO on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    Card62 – IMO

    Our weakness in stopping the run is our NTs are either too old Robinson or too inexperienced Williams. This make it much harder for Dockett and Cambell since they aren’t occupying blockers at the line of scrimmage.

    I’m surpprised Branch/ Williams aren’t the starting NT now with Watson playing.

    The real issue has and will continue to be our OLB getting any type of pash rush. Almost a 20 sack reduction from 2009 to 2010 with only 2 games left. Ouch!

    The DEs are trying to make plays and getting out of position in run support to make up for the lack of pressure. Think about the reverse a few games back the Cambell looked awful.

    Look at what Peppers has done for Chicago or Mathews has done in Green Bay.

    Porter, Haggens, Davis they just aren’t diffrence makers. Whiz knows this thats why they took a chance on Schofield, hoped Porter had one more year left and why the brought in Baggs in the off season.

    Again IMO, a true pash rusher, is a bigger need than QB. If this team can have 40 sacks with the DBs we have, Skelton will be able to lead this offense.

    I just don’t see Newton as being a real QB in the NFL. He has played one year, way to big a risk. We can not afford to miss on another 1st round QB selection. Luck will be gone before we draft.

  77. By SteveDCO on Dec 21, 2010 | Reply

    Justin – I wish I new the right answers but some of the things I see.

    The D is in the wrong alignment too often. Wilson covering Gates or Admas in man coverage on the goal line.

    The players don’t have the physical skills to make these plays. Davis and Henderson need to recognize this and ensure the right personel is on the field.

    If this happened once a game, no big deal but how many times have we seen this and and even heard Wilson talk about aligmnet issues.

    I think both of these coaches have a good chance of being scapegoats.

    More than this looks like panic and is done for show not for results.

    More than anything I want to see an OLB signed in free agency (not a top tier but a role player) and one drafted in the 1st round.

    I will continue to believe the woes of the Dfense are from lack of a pass rush.

  78. By eazy e on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply

    Scott H-
    Are you serious? First of all, the redskins have THE WORST supporting cast in the league. No running game at all, receivers drop balls all over the place and I’ve seen a few games too if you ask. Offensive Line is a mess, even McNabb has got sacked a whopping 37 times with his mobility(43 overall rex has the other 6). He was 7th in the league in passing entering sunday with his awful supporting cast. He’s completed 58.3% of his passes even with again this horrible supporting cast, and btw wayyyyyyy better than any of our qbs 50% completion rate and 8 tds passes compared to mcnabb’s 14 tds passes and he’s usually 60+% easily, but again terrible supporting cast. A qb is only as good as his supporting cast. Shanahan has obviously lost the team and the locker room is divided. He has handled the haynesworth situation poorly and the mcnabb situation poorly. His best offensive and defensive player, what an idiot! McNabb has been to 5 NFC Championship games and a super bowl not to mention all those playoff wins and regular season wins, the guy is a winner. Oh yeah, the eagles led by McNabb on thanksgiving in 2008 spanked our ass that night 48-20, btw, mcnabb threw for 260 yards and 4 tds on us. BTW, mcnabb in the NFC Championship game, 375 yards passing, 3 tds, and only one pick and lead a 24-6 comeback in arizona and actually took the lead 25-24 before kurt’s great gw drive.. The redskins suck because of their lying coach, and yeah they got mcnabb but you have to have a supporting cast period, that’s what happened to cutler, dude had a below average supporting cast and as a result, many turnovers because guys weren’t making plays because they weren’t any good and now that his supporting cast has improved, he’s playing well. Shanahan also stupidly changed their defensive scheme to a 3-4 from a great 4-3 defense that they had. DA VS. McNabb, dude please, DA has as much talent as mcnabb’s fingernail compared to him. Any of our qbs don’t even compare to mcnabb PERIOD!!! The reason why the eagles didn’t want him was for kolb right? hell naw its mike vick and who was mike vick mentored by um…. mcnabb buddy. Mike vick is a beast, I was saying all over this blog get vick even with kurt, we should have got vick but what did we do, matt is our guy and that BS. McNabb is a great qb and hopefully will be a cardinal.

  79. By clssylssy on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply

    Hey there Joe67-
    When you compared this year’s team to the team that went to the Superbowl you overlooked that we had an Offensive Coordinator (who is now about to take his very own KC Chiefs down that road to the Big Dance), a Defensive Coordinator, a HOF QB, and cast of other elite players that have since moved on for greener pastures! Also, remember that just like any other place of business, Ken Whisenhunt has a boss who he takes his marching orders from. This IS a talented group of athlethes and Whiz is a good coach (just not a one man band). We have two games left, and while the odds may not be in our favor, I have seen The Cards pull off some pretty amazing hat tricks in the past, especially when down and at home. I’m sure the Cowgirls are expecting to walz into Phoenix and stack up and easy win. You know what, that’s exactly the attitude that the Saints had and they were the reigning SB Champs! As for SF, I hope to see a blood bath there. I don’t think our guys are ready to lay down without a fight when revenge would be so sweet. It is what it is, so GOOD LUCK KEN WHISENHUT, JOHN SKELTON, AND GO CARDS!

  80. By Scott H on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply

    Eazy E –

    To answer your question – yes, I’m serious. Believe what you want about McNabb. I don’t know what you are basing it on, but…whatever. I’ve said all I can say about McNabb. Can’t help being curious about where you are from…because I live just outside of Philly and I’ve been a first-hand witness to McNabb’s whole career with the Eagles. Does that mean that I know more than you? Maybe not. But maybe I have seen much more of McNabb than you and perhaps I’ve seen a lot that you are not aware of. First, you must be kidding, Dude, if you think McNabb had anything to do with mentoring Michael Vick. I seriously doubt that. The person who gets the credit for Vick’s comeback is Andy Reid and that’s s fact. Reid had just been through some things with his own sons being in legal trouble, and he reached out to give Vick a chance because he had a whole new appreciation for second chances. He wanted to give Vick the second chance that no other NFL team was willing to give at that time. McNabb had nothing to do with it. McNabb’s not a bad guy ( far from it ) but he is not the greatest teammate because he tends to be selfish. Trust me, thousands of Eagle fans would tell you the same. When he’s benched, he goes and sits on the bench and sulks. Or, he pulls a hood over his head, stands by himself, and sulks. Doesn’t stay tuned in to the game, doesn’t help the coaches or the other QB, doesn’t encourage his teammates. And he does not take responsibility when things go wrong. That, too, is a fact. After the Eagles got beaten by Dallas last year in the playoffs, he spoke after the game about how “we showed our youth today.” In other words, it was the fault of the young players on the team and their inexperience. He never took an ounce or responsibility himself. Yeah, that went over REAL WELL with his teammates. Funny thing is – and I’ve already made this point – those same young players suddenly look a lot better with someone else at QB for the Eagles. Anyway, I could go on, but I’m done. Again, many Eagles fans will tell you the same things. Do they know more than you? Well…yes, they do unless you are one yourself. We may just have to agree to disagree on this, I guess.

  81. By cards62 on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply

    Scott H and Steve DCO

    Thank you for your responses.

    I do not think all of us will ever agree on which QB to bring in. My point all along is we should have brought in 2 or 3 veterans and kept at least 2 of them, and this is my great anger with this lost season. We took too much risk on the season before the first snap and this is gross mismanagement and a huge disservice to the other men on your roster and to your fans.

    Steve DCO no position is as important as QB and nothing helps QBs like great coaching. I would love to see us even trade up to get Luck in this draft. Risk most definitely, but he offers the biggest bang. How much better would the 49ers be with a top QB? How much better would the Bears have been if they signed Warner instead of us?

    If we can not get our man I agree that we take an elite OLB or LT or NT.
    I knew we would miss Bertrand Berry. He had I believe 6 sacks last season on a limited number of snaps, but of course he reitired. I do hope it was his choice because he was only a million dollar hit.

    I am a fan so I always hope for a better tomorrow. I hope we hire Wade Phillips or someone better to be our DC for 2011, and my Christmas Wish List is that San Diego does not make the playoffs and are stupid and fire Norv Turner. I immediately hire Norv to be my offensive Coordinator and of course he will work with my QBs, 2 veterans, Skelton, and I hope Luck or someone in the 3rd or 4th round and Turner picks our starting QB. I hope Denver dumps Orton as I would like for us to give him a shot.

    Go Cards and Merry Christmas to all.

  82. By Eazy E on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply

    Scott H, I agree to disagree

  83. By Eazy E on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply

    I’m not going to do this internet arguing stuff

  84. By Eazy E on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply

    Voice of Reason-
    Totally agree with your champ bailey point. Darren was so quick to eliminate it and it was because the cardinals are too conservative in making moves and take no ”risks”. I don’t call signing a champ bailey a risk. Dude is only 32 and still has that elite speed and coverage skills. People don’t throw at champ. Great tackler and pair him up with DRC, A-WIL, and Kerry and that is the best secondary in the league. I’d pay him top cornerback money over 4 or 5 years heck yeah. 10-12 Mil per no problem.

  85. By Eazy E on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply

    Or more just get champ in cardinal red

  86. By Scott H on Dec 23, 2010 | Reply

    Eazy E –

    OK, we disagree and that’s cool. What we have in common is that we’re diehard fans of this team and that’s what matters. If it weren’t for differences of opinion, this blog wouldn’t be much fun, so…let’s keep making it fun.

  87. By Roseann Smith on Dec 24, 2010 | Reply

    Scott H- Are you serious? First of all, the redskins have THE WORST supporting cast in the league. No running game at all, receivers drop balls all over the place and I’ve seen a few games too if you ask. Offensive Line is a mess, even McNabb has got sacked a whopping 37 times with his mobility(43 overall rex has the other 6). He was 7th in the league in passing entering sunday with his awful supporting cast. He’s completed 58.3% of his passes even with again this horrible supporting cast, and btw wayyyyyyy better than any of our qbs 50% completion rate and 8 tds passes compared to mcnabb’s 14 tds passes and he’s usually 60+% easily, but again terrible supporting cast. A qb is only as good as his supporting cast. Shanahan has obviously lost the team and the locker room is divided. He has handled the haynesworth situation poorly and the mcnabb situation poorly. His best offensive and defensive player, what an idiot! McNabb has been to 5 NFC Championship games and a super bowl not to mention all those playoff wins and regular season wins, the guy is a winner. Oh yeah, the eagles led by McNabb on thanksgiving in 2008 spanked our ass that night 48-20, btw, mcnabb threw for 260 yards and 4 tds on us. BTW, mcnabb in the NFC Championship game, 375 yards passing, 3 tds, and only one pick and lead a 24-6 comeback in arizona and actually took the lead 25-24 before kurt’s great gw drive.. The redskins suck because of their lying coach, and yeah they got mcnabb but you have to have a supporting cast period, that’s what happened to cutler, dude had a below average supporting cast and as a result, many turnovers because guys weren’t making plays because they weren’t any good and now that his supporting cast has improved, he’s playing well. Shanahan also stupidly changed their defensive scheme to a 3-4 from a great 4-3 defense that they had. DA VS. McNabb, dude please, DA has as much talent as mcnabb’s fingernail compared to him. Any of our qbs don’t even compare to mcnabb PERIOD!!! The reason why the eagles didn’t want him was for kolb right? hell naw its mike vick and who was mike vick mentored by um…. mcnabb buddy. Mike vick is a beast, I was saying all over this blog get vick even with kurt, we should have got vick but what did we do, matt is our guy and that BS. McNabb is a great qb and hopefully will be a cardinal.

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