To QB and not QB

Posted by Darren Urban on January 12, 2011 – 9:42 am

I made it all the way to January 12.

Obviously, quarterback is going to be a hot topic, probably all offseason. This isn’t the last time I am going to address it on the blog. But it will be the entry I link back to – over and over – whenever someone asks me about one of the popular names floating out there, whether it is a current NFL player or a potential draftee.

So expect to see the URL often in the blog comment section.

I don’t know who is going to play quarterback for the Cardinals in 2011. I don’t know who is going to be on the roster. I don’t think they know right now, and they can’t. The draft isn’t until late-April, and the nitty-gritty talks about who will be available and where they rank on the draft board have yet to occur. Free agency is a little less than two months off, and that’s only if there is no work stoppage. If there is a work stoppage, no free agents can sign anywhere until it is resolved. The same will go for trades involving players.

Those are some of the many reasons I have tried to hold out on talking about potential QBs. I didn’t last very long. So here goes, with the understanding of my limited knowledge of the college guys relegated to watching them on TV here and there:

Kevin Kolb: Might as well start here. If Kolb doesn’t get to start in Philly, he wants to start somewhere else. Ears all over Arizona perked up. But then Andy Reid talked about keeping both Kolb and Michael Vick, and reality sets in. Let’s say the Cards want Kolb (and I don’t know if they do). Forget about working out a trade for a moment. Why would the Eagles deal Kolb? He is under contract for relative peanuts in 2011 ($1.4M) and for now, Michael Vick isn’t under contract at all. Vick might be franchised, or there might not be any tag. Plus Vick got beat up by the end of the season. The Eagles need a backup. Lot of hoops to be jumped before you could ever see Kolb out West (or anywhere besides Philly).

Donovan McNabb: Ahh, my favorite subject. First, he has to be released. If it happens before the lockout, I believe he can be signed. But will that happen? Regardless, I don’t see it here. McNabb will have been let loose by two different teams. His play was less than consistent this year (and yes, I know some people don’t think he had enough weapons). There are questions about his fitness (the Washington stuff earlier this season wasn’t out of the blue), his accuracy and his age. Plus, he’s spent almost his entire career in a West Coast offense that doesn’t exactly mirror the Cards’ offense. I just don’t see it.

Marc Bulger (pictured below): He was a candidate this last offseason and is expected to be one again. He followed Kurt Warner once before. He’ll be available and he’s experienced. These are the plusses. He also hasn’t had a good season since 2006, struggling with less talent in St. Louis and declining skills.

Matt Hasselbeck: Why would the Seahawks let him go now? Or might he have made himself that valuable where they can’t keep him?

Kyle Orton: Has probably proven himself better than many expected. But the reports are the Broncos want a second-round pick for him. I don’t see the Cards doing that, unless they see Orton as a long-term solution (with, for example, Skelton as a backup for now). Would the Cards negotiate a lower pick? I could see that. Again, however, it’s a trade, so until there is a new CBA, Orton is a Bronco and in limbo.

Vince Young: Has skills and has been a winner. Also has reputation for not working hard enough at his craft and has proven he doesn’t handle adversity well. Not a good combination. I don’t see him as a realistic option.

Cam Newton: Was great this past college season – with the operative word being “college.” He was just OK in the national championship game. He’s not Vick, so you can wipe out most of the running part of his game as it translates to the next level. He’s got a ways to go if he is ever going to be a top-flight NFL QB, and I don’t see – right now – how you spend the No. 5 overall pick on him.

Ryan Mallett/Blaine Gabbert: Again, I need to see how these guys sort themselves out during workouts/combine, etc. But right now, hard to tell. Gabbert seems more highly regarded than Mallett, but things can always change as the draft approaches. There are also teams ahead of the Cards who will be looking at QB. I’ll say this: No one left in the draft is Andrew Luck. And the Cards can’t afford to whiff on the No. 5 overall pick.

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186 Responses to “To QB and not QB”

  1. By Mike Murphy on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    The Cards can’t afford a mistake at number 5, which means they can’t risk stretching for a QB. Get an experienced backup to replace DA, and give Skelton the opportunity to prove himself as the starter next year.

  2. By carlo7000 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    so you still see a future with anderson max hall and skelton be our quaterbacks next season???

  3. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: QBs

    I do not expect Anderson to return. Skelton will be around. Hall’s presence may depend on who else they get.

  4. By Phoenixraven1 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    How about Bartell? Odd we signed him to 2 year contract…

  5. By Jamham on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Just didn’t wanna hurt his feelings with a 1 yr.

  6. By MIKEFLORIO on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I dont see us drafting a QB with our 5th overall pick. I think a vince young will be our best option, then again, thats what all the experts such as myself have been saying. I do see another dismal season if the whiz doesnt handle this situation as great as he did last year. I possible see a brady quinn and even STEVE NASH LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. By William Lutz on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


    How about Carson Palmer? I am not sure if he under contract or not. I am thinking he is and Marvin Lewis said he is going to be the starter in 2011, but a lot of people in Cincinnati think Carson is done and needs to go and it might happen.

    Also, is there any chance the Cardinals trade down their 5th pick? The way the Cardinals have drafted the last couple of years, I would have no problem trading the 5th pick down to pick up an extra third or fourth round pick.

    Personally, I think all the wheeling and dealing talk is premature. The leauge in the players still have to hammer out the CBA and we still have the draft to go through as well. Once those items get addressed or sorted out, maybe a serious QB discussion can really have traction.

  8. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    William —

    RE: QB questions

    1) I expect Palmer to stay in Cincinnati.
    2) There is always a chance they could trade down.

  9. By AndyStandsUp on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    What about Alex Smith? I realize he’s just another piece of a mediocre QB crop.

  10. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    AndyStands —

    RE: Alex Smith

    You probably answered your own question. Shaun Hill is another name floating around.

  11. By Kody21 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Why is it that u ppl are so hyped on John Skelton?? Ya he didn’t turn the ball over but it was because the Maj of his throws weren’t in the vicinity of ANYONE! He completed less than 50% of his throws in both starts, not to mention beating the only team in the league worse than the Cardinals at the end of the season after getting 6 turnovers and the KICKER scoring 22 points.. I would offer philly whatever they asked for to get Kolb and fire Russ Grimm cuz we have the worst line in the league

  12. By coop on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I would rather take a look at Locker in the 2nd round than draft a QB at 5.

  13. By tyler on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Cam newton is not worth the quarterbacks time, look at leinart, heisman winner, and he sucked. We need a quarterback with expierience, I say we pay good money for vick since he’s a free agent now , he’s someone the cards need.

  14. By Big Red on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Keep and work with Skelton, he’s our best choice. Just that simple.

  15. By Allen on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    QB is an option at #5, but do the Cardinals want to wait around a couple of years to let him progress or do they go for a proven guy and try to compete? If they can pull a veteran like McNabb, Kolb or possibly Michael Vick (highly unlikely) out of their hats and then sit either Skelton or someone they draft behind one of those veterans, we have a chance to compete.

  16. By Ellis on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bulger’s skills declined because he was taking some serious hits and his eyes became like Kurt Warner’s. What i mean by that is when you get hit so much, your eyes begin to drag and you can’t scan the field and they stay towards the ground and you think about the hit instead of looking down field. Mark has took a year to heal being Flacco’s backup, just like Kurt did in New York before he came here. Don’t get me wrong he’s not Kurt but he is the best option for this team to be back successful. Pick up Mark because the Eagles don’t really want to trade Kolb, also Orton only looked good because of McDaniels. Get Bulger and keep Skelton at the backup and don’t draft a QB with the 5th pick. They should go after a OLB or get Fairley or the Cb Prince or A.J. Green to compliment Fitz. Pick up some OL that actually can block and a real TE that can block first and catch second. They need to get into Rb’s head to stop dancing and hit the dang hole. Get rid of Doucet now, Mr. Drop Balls is a waste. It sucks to love a team so much, that you hate how they see talent. Hall is a practice squad QB , they need real vet’s on to hold down the QB spot. Its funny how people say Cam Newton has a ways to go to be a top flight QB but that’s only because they only seen him this year.

  17. By Vegas Cards Fan on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Donovan McNabb as a stop gap. Draft Kapernick, even though I hate UNR, with a late round pick to compete with Skelton.

  18. By EJ on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I believe Cam Newton or Kolb would be a great choice for the Cards because Anderson was a worst pick ever for this type of team. It made me pissed off when he came over here.and he isn’t a good quarterback. Also i think we need more weapons on defense and offense. I hope Cards choice Ingram for the second or starter role play. He is a great running back like Turner. Well if i was a head coach i would get Newton,Ingram, n try to get Kolb.

  19. By Trisha on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I say lets hope McNabb gets released. Reality is Skelton should be our future and needs maybe a year or two behind a veteran. I believe McNabb has 2 years left in him and I think he would fit our offense because he is used to 70% pass, 30% run which is about where we are. Of course anything is better then Andersen and in a perfect world I would say lets have Skelton as our starter but it’s Arizona and fans only fill the seats when we are winning. I think Bulger would be good as a backup to Skelton, not a starter. I do not see wasting a 5th round for Cam Newton. A scambler would be a great choice because our offensive line is so up and down but I didn’t see anything special that shows he is worth that draft pick. If the Eagles were stupid enough to not sign Vick we should!!!!! But we all know you shouldn’t trade in gold (Vick) for silver (Kolb) lol. I say draft the top defensive player available at that point of the draft.

  20. By Brandon on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I’d much rather see us go with a strong Defensive pick with number five and sign a veteran for QB. If you get Hasselbeck, Orton, or Bulger, they can hold down the fort if whiz runs the ball more and then build that defense, with hopefully our new DC from pitt.

  21. By joe67 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    You are doing a great job with all of this. You have no idea what your column (blog, whatever) means to Cards fans that are far removed from the area.

    Oh please don’t take a chance on a rookie qb. I think we need a vet to come in for a year or two and give Skelton time.
    Keep in mind, McNabb was never happy in DC nor was he a good fit there. Things mind change if he came here!!??

  22. By Whowha on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    QB can wait. We need to adress our line issues. Mcnabb is our best option, buys us 2-3 years to work on skelton.

  23. By Jeff Gollin on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Thank you for posting this – the entire QB situation has to be put in perspective, and you did just that.

    Some isolated thoughts:

    1. Right now, Skelton holds the high ground (because he was the last guy to start and has a much bigger ceiling for improvement than a negative “floor”). Which means the basis for evaluating any prospective QB – whether rookie or veteran – figures to be: “Is he better than Skelton right now?” Is he likely to be better than Skelton one ior two years from now?” “How iffy or rock solid is he compared to Skelton?”

    2. On face value, I don’t like any of the veteran QB’s you mentioned for various reasons, but the one in the bunch who intrigues me is McNabb. He’s the one guy who – if all his negatives (conditioning, fall-off in performance etc.) were due to extenuating circumstances and could be cleaned up in new surroundings in AZ – has the ceiling to pull off a Warner-like turnaround.

    3. In the end, we’re going to need: One or 2 QBOF’s plus one or 2 veteran mentors who also, when called on, could be trusted win more games for us than they’d lose.

  24. By Pat on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    I’m hoping that we go nowhere near McNabb or Vince Young. Their style of play doesn’t seem to fit our offense and they have both proven to be trouble in the locker room/media. Frankly, we have enough problems without any more distractions. I really like Skelton, but I don’t know how confident the coaching staff feels with him being “the man” for next year. What about signing Alex Smith? I feel like he has never been given a solid chance. Four different o-coordinators in four years at San Fran and no receiving threats outside of Vernon Davis. I think he is certainly worth a long look this off-season. Any word on interest in him from the front office?

  25. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Pat —

    RE: “Word” on QBs.

    As I mentioned in the blog, they don’t know what they are going to do yet.

  26. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    PhoenixRaven —

    RE: Locker

    Anything is possible.

  27. By Kreedos Von Dosta on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I like Kyle Orton…but only for a third or fourth…

  28. By Phoenixraven1 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Due you see Jake Locker as a mid round option? He would have been a top tier last year but had a rough season but might be a steal just for that reason?

  29. By Caliban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton can’t start nor do I want him to. I think as well Vince Young is the best option, though the guy has mental problems, he’s a winner. This team needs a winning QB on the field, plain and simple. Though I like McNabb, the guy gets sacked way to often and is not mobile what so ever. Bulger would be a short term solution I suppose. If they committ to Young he needs to be here for the next 5 years at the mimimum.

  30. By Darrel on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Its funny how people are quick to hate on cam newton he’s the best qb out there and stop comparing to j.russell .he only wishes he was that lean and and type of athlete anyways .. I remeber when josh freeman came out. Everybody thought. The bucs where crazy for taking him that high and now imo he’s the best qb in that draft class he’s way better than sanchez and stafford . I would kill for josh freeman right now best young qb right now next to bradford and matt ryan .. cam newton and josh freman ill take either or….. Both 6″6 may be a lil a bit more bexplosive and faster than him but both have a cannon of an arm both accurate ,leaders of their team, coachable . I can go on and on about both these guys . …. my point is the cardinals need to make impact next year. With good coaching cam going to be a star in this league. We need him that’s my pick and I would still get solid a vetran for 1 or 2 years. Let him sit learn the nfl game but I would also have a certain package for him too just like tebow did ealier this Year and just like the jets use brad smith @qb sometimes … I’m dreamin of mcnabb newton skelton ahh…. say what u want about mcnabb but you don’t make it 5nfc championships and one superbowl and mutiple probowls by being lazy not. To metion he’s been one of the great mentors in the nfl and a true pro about his craft. And don’t we play nfc east teamn this next year and fyi our nfc west division. Will be whole a lot better. 49ers are now attractive. The rams. Are up and coming With bradford and the seahwaks are in the playoffs. With new coach pete caroll so we. Could easily be the worst team in the division again. So good luck bidwells u need it this off season

  31. By NJAzCardsFan on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    The Cards are in a bind sort of with the QB situation:
    If they draft a rookie he is almost going to have to start right away- That goes against Whiz’s philosphy.
    I can’t understand why DA is still on the roster.
    Hall- Practice Squad
    Bartels- 3rd
    Skeleton- 2nd
    This leave the Cards with no choice to find an experinced QB…..
    McNabb is not accurate and almost DA like now….
    Bulger is not a long term solution….
    Vince Young??? An interesting pick up if he decides to grow up- too risky for this franchise.
    Kolb,Orton or Hasselback (not a long term solution either)
    are the three best options as I see it. Maybe the only three for the near term.

  32. By Darrel on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    don’t ever compare mcnabb and anderson that’s dumb. There not even close anderson should not be. In the nfl

  33. By Jerry on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    QB, DC, CB, LB. So many initials to take care of in a very mysterious and strange offseason.

    Darren, do you think if we had a QB that could command the offensive line they would do better at picking up coverages or do you feel we have a weak o-line?

    I think that’s what the Cardinals need to address in the QB role is someone who can read defenses and command the line instead of leading them blindly against different schemes. I don’t think our o-line isn’t talented, I think they aren’t being led very well.

  34. By Blair on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    The cardinals, we go after everyones left overs because their cheaper. Duh! All these ok qbs getting cut looked bad behind a bad line. come here and there going to look even worse. Gotta love az and their o lines through out the decades.

  35. By Voice of Reason on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    In this order:

    Orton via trade: not sure I’d give up our #2, but I’d give up our #3, or our #2 for Orton and Denver’s #4.
    McNabb (let’s face it, he will be released)
    Vince Young
    Kerry Collins

    Definitely no:

    Ryan Mallett (reminds me of DA – impressive arm, bad accuracy historically)
    Brady Quinn

    Need more info:

    Gabbert. Gut says no, though, because he was a spread offense guy. When’s the last good QB come out of Missouri?

    Newton: Again, impressive talent level. The negative: when has his style of quarterback ever won consistently at the NFL playoff level? The positive: his talent cannot be overlooked. Auburn was nothing, then he came in, and they’re national champions. I say tough to pass on him at #5, sitting here today. If he bombs during workouts, could see him slipping to the latter part of Round 1.

    And whether they view it likely to get a QB in Round 1 or not SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE ANALYSIS re getting a veteran in here. Go get Marc Bulger already.

  36. By Eric Schuster on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I honestly think that we are looking at it wrong, we dont need a firey young QB to come in and take control, we have that in Skelton, and for a baptism by fire going 2-2 I think we need to stick with him. It will be very detrimental to his learning process if we bench him all the sudden for another rookie.

    I personally think we need a vetran to BACK UP Skelton and help teach him everything and hone his skills, and if the season gets off rough then swap him out. I know its alot to bank on Skelton but hes shown a ton of potential and offers alot to the Cardinals we have never had (IE a big physical QB who can rush for downs if needed).

    And Darren the newspaper said Andrew Luck committed to his senior year in College so he wont be available for this draft but instead the 2012 draft (if he decides to go pro which he will).

  37. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Eric —

    RE: Luck

    Yes, I know that. My point was that there is no one comparable to Luck remaining.

  38. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


    Per usual, very succinct overview of the reality of the QB options that may be available to us. Completely agree about the consequences of whiffing on this pick but will still maintain my thought that bypassing Gabbert will be a similar blunder to overlooking AP.


    There’s a reason Locker could/should slip to round 2. Great athlete, not yet a very good QB (and his lack of progress over the past four years makes me wonder if he ever will be). If we take a QB after round 1 I’d rather see us go the route of Kaepernick or Dalton. (If Kaepernick slips that far).

    My two cents worth (but as Buddy Ryan used to say, free is worth what you pay for it). Looking forward to seeing how all this plays out over the off-season.

  39. By R Robles on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton should be left on the roster as the only QB Hall looked good in preseason which means nothing to 1 regular season game drop him. 2nd Round pick for Orton not worthy but If we get Dummervil too & give them a possible 4th round. Bulger, Mcnabb, whoever which should stock up on atleast 5 vets & see who does best. Darren who’s most likely gonna resign on our team?

  40. By Joem on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Interesting about the CBA and funny at the same time. We can sit here and fantasize where the free agents can go but if the lockout goes through part of September. No free agency and trades except the draft. 2011 is a carbon copy in terms of the same players and results in 2010. A repeat Super Bowl in Indianapolis just like Cowboys/Bills 92-93?

  41. By Gang6230 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know bout you Darren. But my belief is that if there is no top qb worth going for. Get a top pass rusher with the first pick then get a veteran qb for a year like bulger or orton then let Skelton be developed

  42. By vsancards on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    I realize how you feel about McNabb, but weren’t the same things being said about Kurt Warner when he left New York? Just cut by two teams, couldn’t beat out Eli Manning.

    As I recall, the signing of Kurt Warner was not met with predictions of Super Bowl titles or division championships.

    Warner was a washed up turnover machine. And honestly that did not change until Coach Whiz and Coach Haley got Kurt to commit to protecting the football.

    Whiz is still here and with his tutelage and John Lott’s training regimine, I think McNabb would be my top choice for this season, noting I would not trade for him.

    I would rate Orton #2 and Kolb #3, although both would require trades. I really do not think that Bulger would be a great option, but that is just my opinion.

  43. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    vsan —

    RE: McNabb/Warner

    Did beat out Eli Manning. Benched because they wanted Eli era to start. Released because GM Ernie Accorsi basically promised Warner he would let him go after the first season if Eli became the starter. Was Warner “washed up?” Yes, he was considered such.

    With McNabb, these aren’t “personal” feelings per se. If they liked McNabb enough here to bring him in, I’d say so. I don’t think they do. And I am trying to explain why.

  44. By cards62 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Good article Darren and no position is close to being as important as QB.

    Darren from your answer to me on an earlier post I am not a former QB and I do not interview them so you know much more than I do on what QB look for when they select a team to play, but I just can not believe they are all show me the money and they do not care who the offensive coordinator is. This would be like you and I interviewing for a job and not caring who our direct boss is going to be, and this guy, OC can make us, QB look better or worse than we are with his talents.

    I think our QB job is one that would be at the top of most free agents list if they wish to be a starter.

    I do think Skelton showed promise, definitley not enough to bet the 2011 season, but enough to keep him in the mix, and I know we fans will not agree 100% who is brought in, but I just hope we bring in 2 or 3 veterans. Most would be a short term fix while we discover our long term solution, but if Orton or Kolb I think they could play for us for numerous years. Who ever we pick there will be risk so I hope we have at least 2 good options. I think most NFL teams have 2 good options or even 3 at QB. I agree with you Darren and other posters that we should not overpay in a trade or drafting a QB. Things will sort themselves out over time and the draft process but I do watch a lot of college football and you do not see a whole lot of difference between college QBs this year besides Luck.
    Go Cards How many more days until the draft?

  45. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Cards62 —

    RE: Looking at the OC for a QB

    I guess I wouldn’t say it has zero impact. But ultimately, did, for instance, Marc Bulger go to Baltimore because of the playcalling? Uh, no. Did Derek Anderson come here because of it?

    They liked the spot being offered for the money being offered.

    And their direct boss is Whisenhunt. That is, I believe, the biggest coach involved in the process.

  46. By CrazyLady25 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    RE: Eric Shuster’s comments

    I agree we need to stick with Skelton as the #1 QB.


    He needs to learn “on the job”. kind of like Drew Brees. He “had it” when he came out in the draft, but he had to learn. now he’s one of the top QB’s. Skelton has the same kind of potential.There is nothing he cannot do for a “drop-back” QB, including scrambling and throwing on the run.

    The reason he had a less than 50% completion rate is because the ball that he throws comes in differently (kind of like Favre’s). If you take the passes that were dropped, there would be a completely different QB Rating.

    1) Skelton, 2) Bulger 3) Bartel

  47. By D on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    QB topic has already become a broken record. Let’s face it, right now if trades cannot happen, that leaves only QB from the draft or UFA’s. And since the odds of a rookie doing well next year is slim to none-that leaves UFA’s. Which is a very scary future for next year….Bulger is washed up, that leaves probably Grandkowski from Oak, who is a bridge QB until Skelton is ready.
    Our best option would be that the labor deal is done before the draft so trades can occur. Which also is looking slim to none…

  48. By Reebes on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I dont think that we should draft a QB with the #5 pick. I dont think the Cards and us fans want to wait another 4 or 5 years like with that bum from USC. They should get a guy who has been in the league for a while but not some old guy like Bulger who will get destroyed behind our crappy line especially if Duece leaves. I think we need to get a guy like Kevin Kolb who will be leaving Phili soon. Here is a long shot but I think we should go after John Beck of the Redskins. He is a local guy who killed it at BYU but has never had a chance in the NFL. You might say look at what he did his rookie year at Miami but that was one of the worst teams in the history of the NFL, nobody would have done well that year. I saw how the state went crazy when Max played this year but the difference is that John Beck has a cannon for an arm, he is bigger, and he has been in the league for four season now. I doubt thats who they’ll get but I would love to see it. It would also be cool to get Todd Heap or Zack Miller former ASU players Arizona natives and they are both great TE’s.

  49. By Darrel on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Stop reading everything u hear what tell how kolb is a good.Qb plz tell what he has done in the nfl and if he was really that good they would never benched him for vick

  50. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Darrel —

    RE: Kolb/Vick

    You can say the same exact thing about McNabb.

  51. By Darrel on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    You same the thing about mcnab same thing about cutler same thing about warner. so what’s ur point my point is. Kolb has not done anything at all. That’s all I’m saying and people in az somehow think he is. Great qb

  52. By 949Cardsfan on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    The Cards are not drafting a QB. Don’t forget Whiz’ ego. He traded down to get Skelton. He will give him every opportunity to succeed, unlike Leinart, a Denni Green pick.
    All we need is someone to keep the seat warm for Big John. Whether that’s a season or a handful of games. John will very quickly overtake whoever they bring in. He’s just way more talented than any if the vets I’ve heard talked about in this post. And he’s not seasons away from being ready. More like games! He’s got everything you look for in an NFL QB physically. But more importantly he has the mental make up and personality if all the greats. Trust me, once the game slows down and he’s comfortable in the offense, the league will be mentioning him with the likes of Ryan, Flacco, and Rodgers

  53. By Chad Diegle on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, again thanks for all your work. Our season never ends thanks to your hard work and effort.

    I am finding myself pretty frustrated with this topic, mostly because realistically there aren’t any glaringly great options out there for us. In addition to there not being any seemingly great options for us, we are also competing with several other teams for those “average” choices, namely the damn Niners. Until today I thought McNabb was our best option, but upon reading some of the realities of it I am no longer as excited.

    Skelton…I will say that for the situation he was put in, he did a nice job. I will also add that I have a tough time believing Fitz is going to love the idea of Skelton being our future. Maybe I am wrong.

    Bulger just seems too damaged. He hasn’t been relevant in this league in 4+ years. VInce Young also fits the too damaged category. Vince’s win percentage is wonderful, but until our defense is at a top 10 level we have no business thinking Vince Young is the answer.

    We all know that 7 out of the top 10 teams EVERY year have the best quarterbacks. Good QB’s win games, and inversely bad QB’s lose them. There are realistically only 8-10 Good QB’s in the league and we won’t have one of them on our team next year. That leaves me to believe we need a top 5 defense to compete in the playoffs. Flacco, Sanchez, and Cutler are not in the same league as Brees, Rivers, Manning and Brady but they have a chance due to their teams defense. Our only hope of being relevant in the short term is through defense.

    So hiring our DC becomes that much more important. Drafting on the defensive side of the ball is also important, but not as important as how we handle this years wild free agency.

    This is the first time in a few years that the off-season will be a bit more compelling than the regulars season, let’s enjoy it for what it is.

  54. By Bryan Pratt on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    OK the name is VON MILLER. Get pressure on QB which makes the DBs that much better by default. Adds athleticism to the front seven with speed and a great trio of young LBs in Washington, Schoefield (sp), and Miller….

  55. By andres on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    we could always get peyton manning hes a free agent after the season and ya the colts will pay him big bucks to stay but why wouldnt he sign that extension in the beginning of the year unless he didnt want to be there and if he does somehow make it to free agency were gonna have to pay him big bucks and then just draft him a line and linebackers and then we got super bowl written all over us

  56. By TucsonTim on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


  57. By Greg Allen on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I do think something has to happen a QB Skelton does not have what it takes yet but under some good vetran leadership in 2 yrs. he will be ready.

    1) Orton 2)Kolb 3) McNabb should be the guys we are lookig at and use our draft pick to bring in a pass rusher, or even some help on our O line.

  58. By Jason on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Swap first round picks with Philly (5th for 23rd) and give Philly the 2nd round pick, in exchange for Kolb. Cards get their long term QB — who is ready to step in and play today with Fitz, etc. — and also get to shore up defense with a mid-to-late first round pick. Get it done.

  59. By Jesse Robles on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    VON MILLER!!!!

  60. By D on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Von Miller is an option, though he may get eaten up by Off Lineman…R. Quinn has more size and has the ability to get to the QB..he may need J. Lott to get him in shape since he didn’t play this past year, but he could be worth the #5 pick

  61. By ReoHays on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Trade for Orton and trade down in the draft, if we cant get a top OL or Pass Rusher. Orton does not need to be the answer. He would be better than DA and get us by 3 or four years, by then we can find our next QB. He has already proved he can play. We need to block on off. and put pressure on the QB on D. That is what we had problems with the most outside of haveing no QB.

  62. By Darrel on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Eveybody keep saying pass rusher. With the 5th pick can someone plz tell what pass rusher came in the 1st round the last three year besides matthews , don’t give me cushing he was on roids wich why they moved him to mlb…. you want a pass rush dontay moch this guy going to blow you away he’s just like robert mathis of the colts but he can cover tightends and bigger wr he will jack up his draft stock at the combine 6″1 245 and runs 4.2 -4.3. I think he leads in tackles for loss. Right now a true gem in the draft but of course u guys are too busy looking at. Mock drafts …. its funny. How robet quinn is popular. When he barley played this year. Only person I’m taking over newton with the 5th pick in patrick peterson…. we need short term fix @ qb and a long term fix. … lmafo @ skleton this guy be will nothing more than good back up. Nothing wrong with that just not nfl starter he’s not going to lead a team. That’s what we need a leader .

  63. By DirtybirD on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    The Cardinals should only get McNabb if he promises to lay off the Cambpell’s chunky soup. Do you agree Darren? I know his conditioning has been an issue in the past. I know John Lott would “get McNabb right!”

  64. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Dirty —

    RE: McNabb

    I will admit, he’s always looked a little bigger to me than I thought he should.

  65. By Chris on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    This is what we need to do please check it out Mr Urban.

    First NO QB in this draft fits our needs. Luck was the man hopefully we can get him next yr… Cam Newton never impressed me he has an arm and hes big but I did not think he was that fast or accurate.

    This is what you do with No 5. Draft a CB Peterson or Prince (I prefer peterson just like i did drc over talib three reasons size speed and athleticism) In my opinion that would give us a top 3 CB duo in the league which is HUGE.

    Next I am hoping we will be able to get one of the Top 4 OT with our 2nd rounder, Solder, Carimi, Castonzo, or the USC kid!.

    Next, Look for a LB in the third but if he’s not there think about trading it and our fourth away for a 2nd rounder next year.

    I would like to try Kolb out but i would not give up a first rounder NEVER he was a mid second round draft pick i beleive, Instead I would suffer with signing Bulger for a year then when next year comes around trade youre first rounder and the extra second you got from youre 3rd and 4th round picks this year to get the 1st overall and Draft LUCK!

    So we sufer through one more medi core year BUT

    We fill our Line and CB needs then We fill our QB needs in 2012 with the best QB since P Manning and we can draft the LB we need with the second rounder we orig had for the 2012 draft.

    Pridiction Cards 2013 SB ChampS!

  66. By Scott H on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Trisha –
    You say “let’s hope McNabb gets released” and I ask you this – take a look at that statement and think about what you are really saying. You are basically saying that we should be excited about a QB that has essentially been dumped by TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS during the past year. Really? I say no thanks. I seriously hope that Darren is right and McNabb never happens here. He is a chronic underachiever who never takes any responsibility when the team fails. I don’t even want him as a “stop-gap”. Seriously, what does that even mean??? I know a lot of people like the guy and want him here but I guarantee you this – you WILL NOT see a team ( any team ) benefit from having Donavan McNabb as their QB in 2011. Believe it. It’s time people started realizing what the fans in Philly already know for a fact – and that is that Mcnabb has NOT been a victim of not having enough weapons, regardless of whether in Philly or Washington. The reality is that these teams were ultimately a victim of Mcnabb just not being good enough to get past a certain point. Debate that if you want but good luck providing proof to the contrary.

  67. By Scott H on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    HASSELBECK??? Seriously??? Why? I don’t get that one at all. Even when he was at his best, he was no better than a good, solid QB. No more, no less. He has not made it through a season without injury for several years, and where has he gotten the Seahawks in recent memory??? No thanks.

  68. By 69er4l on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


  69. By Mark on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Can’t a trade occur before March 4th provided each team’s season is done?

    Kolb has played in a west coast offsene and his deep-ball arm strength is questionable. If a 1st is what the price is then he is way too high. If the Eagles will trade Kolb for Levi Brown and a late pick then I would do it. They need a right tackle and we have one I would like to get rid of… I understand the whole instability of the OL in the offseason but that is a risk I would take. A 2nd round rookie OT would be as good as Brown was for less with a better upside.

    Orton has played in an offense like the Cards. He is accurate and reads the defense well but he has no mobility and is not successful when he is under pressure and when the play breaks down.

    Both are better than what we have had and both are young enough that they could be the QB for several years. If either of these are picked up via trade I would not expect the Cards to draft a QB. In fact I would think they would be wise to pick up a 3rd vet QB to do with Skelton through FA. (Thigpen, Hill, T. Smith etc… Maybe even Young) This should be the strongest and deepest position by the end of the offseason. I think a trade for Orton (3rd round if it can be managed) would be the best option.

    Bulger/Hasselbeck is a bridge to something else. You would need to draft someone probably but there are no 5th-pick-quality QBs in this draft. If they could trade down that might look better for a QB, but even still a rookie will not be able to help this team be successful in 2011.

    Master Plan: Trade for Orton, pick up a quality QB in FA, trade down in the draft, draft a 1-rush OLB 2-Mike ILB 3-TE upgrade 4-OT (especially if traded Brown to eagles).

    Problem solved:-)

  70. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mark —

    RE: Trades

    Trade deadline has passed and doesn’t start again until the new league year — March 4, or the first day the CBA has expired.

  71. By RelayTV on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Let’s set the record straight about McNabb.

    When Philly replaced him after the 2009 season he had led them to an 11-5 record and into the playoffs for the EIGTH time, and that same year McNabb went to the pro bowl for the SIXTH time.

    Kolb MAY be great, but McNabb IS GREAT, and a proven winner. Philly never would have let Mcnabb go if they didn’t have Vick in the wings (at a bargain price.) And even now, the jury is still out on Kolb, as he only played 1 game this season.

    Whiz was willing to give a QB who only had only ONE GOOD season (D.A.) a chance to compete for the starting Q.B job, he should be jumping at the chance to bring in a proven winner who has only had ONE BAD season.

    But he isn’t. And it doesn’t bode well for next season.

    Frankly I’d be happy with ANY experienced QB with a winning record and a completion percentage over 60% at this point.

    But hoping that Whiz can take another rookie or UFA polish him into a diamond seems like a foolish thing to do.

    I hate to say it, but this is just one more thing that reinforces the reputation that the Cards are cheap, and refuse to spend the money needed to field a decent team.

    If the Cards don’t bring in a big name FA QB this season, it will be one more example of seeing an opportunity, and blowing it.

  72. By RelayTV on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Only played 1 game before he got hurt — typo.

  73. By Dustin D on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Wake up man!!!Your DREAMING. You make everything sound so simple. Im thinking Bidwill is gona drop Graves and sign you right up man.

  74. By Phoenixraven1 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I think Orton would be a good fit…Skeltor at the #2

  75. By Nathan on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


    Interesting reading, both your blog and the comments. It seems that many people think it is easy to make deals for players, and if it doesn’t happen, then the front office is cheap or doesn’t care. I wish people understood that personnel issues aren’t as simple as shopping at Walmart: “Hey there, gimme a McNabb, uh, an Orton, and heck, while your at it, toss in a Champ Baily…”

    We can’t even make any trades right now and people are demanding to know why we haven’t made any big moves – Uh, we can’t, folks. Get it???

    Love your stuff, Darren. Keeps football alive during the off season 🙂

  76. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I’d take a chance in the mid-rounds on the TCU QB (Andy Dalton).

    Regardless of who we pick at #5, I just hope there is a rookie salary cap in the new CBA. That way, if the pick is a bust, at least we won’t burn up the payroll for a high pick as has been tradition in the NFL.

    Whiz can’t afford a bust at #5 and needs an impact player who has a good shot of starting shortly after the season starts. A strong CB to compete internally with DRC and keep DRC on his toes would be a good thing. Other than that, PASS RUSH!

  77. By Nate on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Blaine Gabbert is over-rated, What about christian ponder, jake locker, or andy dalton?

  78. By Dustin D on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    yeah what nathan said folks. lol well put

  79. By Brian on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Whoever is brought in is going to have to earn the starting job through training camp and preseason. I won’t make a guess as to the depth chart for next year’s season opener, assuming a CBA deal is done, but I am hoping for the following guys to be in Cardinal’s camp battling it out: Skelton, Bulger, Hall/Bartel/other, and Pat Devlin if he falls enough in the draft to be a good value pick.

  80. By Peter in Canada on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Darren- From the tone of your article, I gather that if you were the GM you wouldn’t be signing or drafting any of the QB’s available because they all carry baggage. However, the team HAS to do something. They CAN NOT stand still. Therefore a calculated risk must be taken. One or more of those listed will likely be a Cardinal next year. I hope the powers that be see something in one of those QB’s that the rest of us don’t and I hope they pick the right one..

  81. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Peter —

    RE: Baggage

    You are right. They are all flawed. I wasn’t saying sign them or don’t. I try and put out there the pros and cons (and the guys I really don’t see, like McNabb and Young). It is a calculated risk. And it’s probably also trying to be realistic that the panacea isn’t necessarily available.

  82. By ellie huante on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Definately McNabb, let’s hope he gets released and we get a chance to pick him for the Cards, if not Kolb second choice!!!

  83. By Horboy80 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ideally (and I stress IDEALLY) this is what would happen.
    Pick up Lamar Woodley in FA
    Trade our 3rd Rounder for Orton
    Trade down a few spots and pick up Von Miller (Probably still top 10 but IDEALLY) and a 3rd Rounder
    Take Tyron Smith OT out of USC with our 2nd Rounder
    And with our 3rd Round Casey Mathews LB Oregon (Great family jeans)
    Probably still draft a QB mid to late rounder maybe even 4th

    Then I’d move Levi to LG, Re-sign Breaston, Lutui, Branch, and a couple others. Let Hagans, Porter, Hayes (Maybe) and Fenaca go.

    That still leaves RT open for Keith (Meh), Bridges (ok) or a FA. Maybe Colon from Steelers.

    That would shore up your O-Line, QB, LB’s, Pass Rush all right there.

    It’s just what I would do. Ideally

  84. By Andrew on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Drafting a QB at number 5 tells the fans, “we”ll see you in 2012.” There is NO way they go QB at number 5. No way in hell.

  85. By Darrel on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    so I guess Were only to get one qb next year. That’s what your saying right ?

  86. By brad oneill on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    what are the odds that after winning the super bowl this year billicek decides he wants the number 5 pick and trades us his two first round picks for the number 5. we use the later round picks to grab best available qb, and offensive lineman. saving us from paying a top 5 salary, then hope in round 2 we can snag the linebacker we need.

  87. By OLD CARDS FAN on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I hope manegement is not argueing over who to bring in at qb like you guys because they might just decide to go with DA. Noooooooooooo! I CANT TAKE 1 MORE SEASON OF THIS GUY.I dont care if they bring jake “the snake” plummer back. MANAGEMENT please bring us a good vet. qb.

  88. By anonymous on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    What about Alex Smith, at the very least as a veteran backup for the rookies or potential draft pick if they are unable to land McNabb or Bulger ?

    I think he would do really well in this system, plus have the chance to get revenge on his team and fan base that continually constrained and berated him ? Plus he stands tall in the pocket which Whiz seems to like and is miles and miles better than Anderson and hasn’t even reached his true potential (consistency) yet.

    Again, as a veteran backup or stop-gap for any of the possible long term solutions to help win more games in the now.

  89. By Scott H on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Relay TV –

    Setting the record straight, are we? Well, in order to do that, you needs facts and you seem to be lacking those. You are right about the records and the playoff appearances, and the Pro Bowls, etc. So? Now ask yourself – if he was so great, why did they trade him off to a division rival??? When does that EVER happen??? It’s really pretty simple – the Eagles were just done with McNabb and they wanted to move on. And the fact that McNabb very publicly stated that their “youth” was the reason why they failed so badly against Dalls in the playoffs last year went over like a fart in church with his teammates didn’t help his cause. Mcnabb is just one of those guys who has had a very impressive INDIVIDUAL career. But other than several playoff runs – that resulted in NO Super Bowl wins – the Eagles ultimately never had the success they wanted to as a team.

    Honestly – why do the Eagles trade McNabb to a division rival, whom they will see twice every year, unless they really don’t feel like he’s going to hurt them going forward? Answer is, THEY DON’T. Trust me when I tell you that the Eagles knew that it was time to be done with McNabb and they were willing to trade him within their own division to make it happen. The fact that he was benched by the Redskins for Rex Grossman should tell you that the Eagles knew what they were doing.

  90. By Zapp on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


    This is not about any player I thought that every team agreed to decertify the union status and so a lockout would be illegal and they would continue to play. But I’m not sure, I do remember reading something about that and not 100% certain on the details of that. If so wouldn’t that make all of the lockout excuse pretty irrelevant. They would still have all the OTA’s minicamps everything according to what I remeber. I am sure I am wrong otherwise you wouldn’t write a lockout is coming

  91. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Zapp —

    RE: De-certifying

    Teams have voted to say they are willing to de-certify, but it has not happened yet. If they do that, there is no union.

  92. By candyman on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton 1 whoever else 2nd. PERIOD.

  93. By Fred on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Get vince young ,we dont need to waste a first round pick like we did with Levi brown , that why we need young ,someone who can run becuse levi cant pass protect .

  94. By cardsalltheway on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    John Elway,
    Too bad the Cardinals didn’t have a stand-up guy like that to reach out to the fans huh?

  95. By anonymous on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    And by that I mean consistency from game to game, his consistency from season to season is far better than Anderson’s. As his season totals his percentage has hovered at 60%, he has never thrown for more int’s than interceptions since his rookie year, and he is a team player which can not be afforded the same quality to VY. IMO he would be the best unrestricted FA at QB this year outside of Mcnabb. And I just would assume that whatever the Eagles ask for would be too much for the Cardinals to move on Kobb or Vick, especially if they weren’t willing to do it last year when they had every reason to do so and the price was cheaper. VY would be a great boost to the running game but I just don’t see how he helps the passing game beyond what the rookies are capable of nor do I see him developing into a leadership role, and not poisoning the locker room should things go south, that would be required of a starting qb.

    As far as where I would rate Smith with the other speculations..
    McNabb > Orton > Bulger > Smith

    But the Cardinals have to love his passing percentage, he’s still relatively young, he’s had experience under multiple offensive coordinators, he’s intelligent, he’s not a turnover machine like DA, and he stands tall in the pocket. This is not to mention the fits that he and Gore have tag teamed to give them, the Cardinals specifically, over the course of his career. Following the logic of the Belichick system, go after the guys that have always hurt you the worst, so that they aren’t able to continue doing so from an opposing perspective and the ability to add to your arsenal of weapons.

  96. By jocards on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t think the question is whether McNabb could ever play at a high level, he proved he could. The question is can he play at a high level now. To me that is a valid question. I don’t think he’d be the best investment for Arizona at this point. Would he have been better than DA was last season? Almost without a doubt he would’ve been but that does not mean the team should go out and get him. His best days certainly are behind him. He did not play well last season. I think the team should look elsewhere for QB help.

  97. By TBru on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Grooming Skelton? Like we groomed Leinart? If Skelton is going to play he is only going to improve by actually playing. His numbers are fairly irrelevant, this year, he was a rookie doing mop up work. Bring in a vet as an able bodied back up and can step in If Skelton plays poorly or is wounded. We traded up to get the guy, lets give him an off season to work at being the #1. The list of vets available, I would say Orton is the best bet. Another will rookie will most likely be ineffective and unless a player has the pedigree of Kurt Warner getting a retread on his last legs is not a good answer.

  98. By Patrick Eagan on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I would think McNabb has a good chance of coming here if he is released. He already has a house here in Arizona. He wants to be somewhere with talent. The cardinals have very good wide receiver threats. I clould also really see Kyle Orton in an Arizona Cardinal uniform. I think the answer for the cardinals for QB is in FA. The draft is too risky. Ken Whisenhunt is the kind of guy who wants to win now. A rookie QB will not be the best route for that. The answer is in FA. I think McNabb will wind up here in Arizona. If that happens, I will be very excited for the future of this team.

  99. By Javi on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


  100. By Keegan on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Quarterback is the most important position in ALL sports, look at the Colts, we’ve had a few really good drafts the last couple years so I have trust that our scouts will make the right decision, Vick wont be an option, Kolb no, Vince Young might be an option, it’s more of the health thing I’m worried about more than anything, he played what? 5 games this season? I honestly think that Cam Newton would be a good pick at 5 overall, a lot of people refer to Matt Leinart when they think of Heisman Trophy Quarterbacks, but it’s too early to tell at this point.


  101. By cardsalltheway on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    If Graves or whoever within the Cardinal organization were like John Elway in the way he now lets Bronco fans know real time information maybe they wouldn’t need you(or at least this part of your job)?

  102. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    cardsall —

    RE: Elway/My job

    Maybe they wouldn’t.

    Why, you stumping for me to get fired now?

  103. By joe again on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    We should trade down in the draft to get more picks. This is how the Pats have always built their team.

    Mark Bulger got beat to hell his last couple years, but he is an excellent QB and has had a chance to finally heal up over this past year. Bring in Bulger to groom Skelton for the next couple years, then we have short term and long term both taken care of.

    I think Bulger/Skelton as our 1 and 2 would be a killer combo.

  104. By Michael on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren, do you think the cards consider Alex Smith? i think the guy needs a change of scenery and i think he could be good at spreadding the field like whiz likes to do what do you think? Hes a vet, he could beat out skelton, or atleast help him develop better

  105. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Michael —

    RE: Alex Smith

    Anything is possible.

  106. By Chad on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    We need to sign a veteran to compete with Skelton…my preference is Bulgar.

    No way we should draft a QB #5. Draft a play-making OLB/DE player to immediately impact the D.

    Worst comes to worst, you draft Luck next year is Skelton doesn’t pan out. No need to waste the #5 on a guess when we can manage with Skelton.

  107. By Eazy E on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Darren and DirtyBird-
    McNabb’s weight and/or shape hasn’t hurt him in the past or now. Washington totally screwed that whole situation up, even vick last year asked mcnabb to scale his workout back because they were working out so hard.

    Kolb: Wouldn’t even think about giving our #1 for him at 5, let alone 2.

    McNabb: Needs to be our first option at QB.

    Bulger: No Thanks, too many injuries and as I said before, last good/great year was in 2006.

    Hasselbeck: A lot of injuries and inconsistent play, playoff game was greatest of his career, but still too inconsistent.

    Orton: A pretty good QB but if the broncos asking for a high #2, no way.

    Young: Would like to see him with McNabb in arizona. Maturity issues are overrated, no worse than leinart but the difference is Vince is way more talented and established.

    Newton: Played alot better than ok Darren, had well over 300 total yards, 2 tds and ran over guys. Would pick him at #5 definitely, it just depends on what we do at QB in free agency.

    Mallett: Big QB and Big arm, Maybe not at 5, but like him.

    Gabbert: Haven’t seen enough of him and wouldn’t pick him over newton, gotta look at more tape of him.

  108. By Darrel on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with eveything you siad

  109. By phxsuns480 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


  110. By BLOOD RED on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    I still see McNabb as the best and smartest fit. The things people are saying about him sound alot like the talk was about Kurt early on. As long as he is in shape which some kind of bonus will do, he our best bet. He will have no problem teaching Skelton which is something to keep in mind! If we can’t get him I think we are better off playing Big John,I really see him as the future cannon of the Cards.He is better than anyone else available! All of these people saying Young and Smith are crazy. Smith is just like Lienart (crappy) and Young will never work here! Kolb is the only other one that I would like to see compete with Big John.I still think Skelton would beat him out! This kid is special and I will say it again, he will end up having a better career than Bradford! It will be with the cards if we give him a fair shot! I know it sounds crazy but watch and see what this kid ends up doing. I can see it,he will be a very good NFL QB when he learns this offense a little better.ROCK N ROLL REDBIRDS!!!

  111. By TucsonTim on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    After all that BS we went through last year and you say it’s not personal. You and the rest of insiders can pat each other on the back and be snide about McNabb, sorry this time my anger is directed at you in addition to them…

    “I will admit, he’s always looked a little bigger to me than I thought he should”

    I got it last year, after all of our back and forth. It’s not your fault we got who we got. But you defended their disastrous “briefly considered” decision aggressively. Meanwhile, I got to pay ridiculous money for a non-competitive football team, not a bad one, a non-competitive team, in the worst division in the history of the NFL.

    Frankly Darren, I think it sucks that you would take a shot at McNabb now. Why don’t you keep defending the decision to cut Leinart and bring on Anderson? Why not take some shots at Anderson? Darren can’t you make fun of Anderson’s footwork, his poor decision making and is errant throws? Why don’t you keep telling us that Anderson gave us our best chance to win?
    This is a team in total disintegration…going to the bottom of the worst of the worst.

    Go ahead and make fun of McNabb’s debacle in DC. The rest of the world doesn’t even consider the Cards to be a real NFL team worthy of making fun of.

  112. By Eazy E on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hell if peyton actually gets free, do you think the cardinals give a damn that he’s been in the same system with tom moore, naw, they want him.

  113. By RelayTV on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply


    I can’t read the minds of the Eagles coaches and Owners, but I THINK they parted ways with McNabb because they had a good replacement ready to go (Kolb) and a veteran backup in place (Vick) and both of those guys together cost less than keeping McNabb.

    The Cardinals do NOT have a good replacement for Warner, nor a veteran backup in place, so even if McNabb didn’t fit for the Eagles, he could still fit quite well for us.

    Of course you are entitled to have a differing opinion than mine, but it is just your opinion, so stop with the “TRUST ME I KNOW McNABB IS NO GOOD.” garbage because it just makes you look stupid.

    And as far as division rivals not trading players to each other, it happens often. Jason Taylor anyone? The Redskins gave the best value for McNabb, that’s why he went there, period. And he beat the Eagles once, and lost once.

    Maybe McNabb’s best days are behind him. Or maybe not.

    Time will tell

    But even now, he’s better than any QB we have on our roster. I’d rather have him, even at the level that he played this year, than D.A.

  114. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    So pretty much our best bet at a QB is Orton? Great, we have a chance at McNab and Young, 2 GOIOD QB’s and we are not going to go after them because McNab didnt cut it with the redskins and Young is a problem? We will win with QB’s that can play, and both of them can play, seeing that Vince led a a great comeback win in the final minute of the game, and McNab is still a great QB, the Cardinals are stupid for pasing them up, yet they will take DA and other terrible QB’s

  115. By georgiebird on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Agree with what you have to say on the pro & college QBs. The only difference is I would bring McNabb in and give him a chance to get in shape and give it one last try. We are only trying to win the NFC West so McN’s task is do-able.
    In the draft, I would draft the best player. After seeing Dez Bryant, I’m convinced of this. We can’t afford another luke warm pick i.e. DRC, Beanie, Dan.
    There is no QB available who can help us accomplish anything in 2011 unless the defense improves dramatically. No defensive player has progressed from year to year- you can almost make a case that OB will be one of the best defensive players going into training camp in 2011 and that’s pretty sad..

  116. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Georgie —

    RE: “Lukewarm” picks

    Here’s the problem I have with that statement — who exactly was saying that at the time of the picks? Or even at the end of the 2009 season, in the case of both DRC and Beanie? Seems like an awful lot of reactionary hindsight at this moment.

  117. By brad oneill on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    so if we draft cam will we have to send a few bucks to his dad to make sure he doesnt go archie manning on us and have cam demand a trade to somewhere else?

    Im thinking there are going to be so many impact players available at number 5 that it just doesn’t make sense to take a second tier quarterback that early. look how far claussen fell last year. it was a shocker that tebow went in the first round and he is basically the same type guy as cam except he didn’t get caught cheating on any tests in school.

  118. By Chuck 1 on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    For those fans who are calling for a veteran QB to come in and teach/mentor Skelton, how did the mentoring of Matt Leinart by Kurt Warner work out?
    Uh, apparently not very well.
    The coaching/teaching/mentoring of a young QB should be by the QB Coach with occasional assistance by the #1 QB. If Miller isn’t doing a good job as the QB Coach, get a new one!!!

  119. By tyman on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hey dareen I like your break down of QB’s

    I think this is going to be a painful and tough to find out what guy will fit. I think we need to give a vet a chance…but please no DA repeat. I think we need a proven vet like McNabb, Young, or Orton. Kolb is way too risky with the mediacal issues. If not for him getting his bell rung id say hes worth a first rounder. Mcnabb was on a poor Offence this year and Vince never really had a chance as a starter with the titians and Orton has always won on sub par teams. Orton like warner was, is very underrated. If young can prove hes grown up heck give him a shot. I dont know and really non of us cards fans know….. hopfully Whiz and all the offensive coaches can figure out the best guy.

  120. By Carl on Jan 12, 2011 | Reply

    We should all just starting chanting WE WANT PEYTON. Maybe our dreams will come true. Colts have yet to re-sign him we could lure him away.

  121. By UC on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    One thing that seems to be overlooked here is that the Cardinals have to get a QB who is good enough to convince Fitz to stay, and they have to do that NOW. Barring some unexpected generosity from Fitz, there is no time to break in a rookie QB to see how good he’ll be, there’s no time to wait and see when or if things will click for Skelton, they need a player at that position who can step in and play well NOW. That would be McNabb, or possibly Orton. Philly will not release Kolb, although they may be willing to trade him. However, I bet Washington has had the termination papers for McNabb already filled out and ready to file as soon as the new CBA is in effect.

    But even if they get McNabb, he would only be a stop-gap solution, a realistic expectation might be for three good seasons from him. Fitz will presumably still be here then, and won’t want to be tied up in a contract lasting beyond that point. That’s why I think with the #5 pick, they have to take Newton, there’s just too much potential there. He could compete with Skelton for the backup spot in the immediate future, and after that, who knows.

    TucsonTim, thanks for pointing out the whitewashed reporting and toeing of the company line by Urban, which also extends to most of the other local sports “journalists” covering the team. I’ve wondered several times what would have happened if King Whiz had tried to pull his “fan equity” complaint somewhere with real sports reporting, like Philly. But in AZ, the reporters let him get away with it. I guess it’s just easier for them to disregard the “financial equity” that fans contribute to teams, just the way King Whiz disregarded it. But they all get into the games for free, so why should they care…

  122. By eazy e on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Tucson Tim, RelayTV, and RodgersCromartie17-
    Totally agree with all three of you!!!

  123. By sherri on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    We all know we need a qb as well as other positions.
    With the #5 overall pick we are looking at over 40 mil guaranteed money for player so we must get this pick right.Will we go after any high profile free agensts besides qb like for d-line and 0-line. Beef up the o-line and look at the play of rookie qb, Flaco and Sanchez but also look at the D keeping them in games.Peppers signed to the Bears for 40 mil guaranteed which is what we will paying some rook.
    I would like to see the FO attempt to go after mor e than one proven vet like Berry boy do i miss him on the line.Our secondary has been coached poor or its the players for over the years i would like that addressed and the TE position we should have went after Gonzo he was worth that pick. Besides QB who will you think the Cards go after or at all.

  124. By cardsalltheway on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    No, I realize part of your job includes things that some other teams don’t offer to their fans unless they use facebook or otherwise. And, for that I appreciate you! Back on track…The Broncos are doing something that I’m sure their fans also appreciate and I’m sure all NFL fans would enjoy. Most NFL owners have awfully big egos and believe they are far above fans, for that they can go screw themselves. I’d think you’d have thoughts about the Denver Broncos leadership in reaching out to fans on a real time basis, so what are they?

  125. By Darren Urban on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    cardsall —

    RE: Access

    I would love to have that sort of access. But, as you can see across the league, most teams aren’t willing to let people in that much and they have valid reasons. I’d also say that, despite some of the feelings around here from fans, the Cards are much more open with things than many teams.

  126. By Scott H on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Relay TV –

    You know what? You’re right. Don’t trust me. Shame on me for even suggesting it. But if you are going to ignore the fact that two teams have chosen to move on from McNabb in the past year, then I think you are living in denial. And you say that time will tell? OK. So…the last 13 years don’t tell us anything???

    And you’re going to compare Jason Taylor to McNabb??? Last I checked, Jason Taylor isn’t a QB. With all due respect, that is a foolish comparison. How many supposedly great QB’s can you name that have been traded to division rivals??? Also, since you brought it up, was Jason Taylor actually TRADED or did he change teams as a free agent???

  127. By cardsalltheway on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    As far as the QB goes, Ken W. has proven he can’t hold onto the QB. He burnt through 5 this past season. Give it a rest Ken W., YOU definitely need one. Therefore Darren, your ole buddy ought to be benched at the least.

    The Cards better hire a descent OC or fire Ken W. It doesn’t matter who/what QB is picked/chosen, Ken W. doesn’t know how to deal with QB’s. Ken W. initiated a QB CONTROVERSY and then went beyond that by playing a non-drafted rookie before his own teams 5th round draft pick(WTH?), he doesn’t deserve another chance to make QB decisions. Head coaches learned long ago NOT to initiate QB CONTROVERSIES, for whatever reason Ken W. never got that message.

  128. By cardsalltheway on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Did Hightower drop more than 5 QB’s(like Ken W.), I mean footballs?

  129. By cardsalltheway on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Ken W. has JINXED [because of his past year decision(s)] any and all QB’s he claims will be “OUR GUY.” I also believe Ken W’s JINX will last long after the 2011 season. Tell me what QB on this EARTH would want to be Ken W’s QB / “OUR GUY” given what happened to Ken W’s last “Proclaimed OUR GUY QB?”

    If I were you I wouldn’t want to be the first to announce Ken W’s “OUR GUY / QB this coming year. Don’t do it Darren, for your own good. This bit of advice comes free and is for your own good. See, I do care !

  130. By phxsuns480 on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Do you feel the Bidwells are willing to spend some money this year or should we expect another dissapointing season.

  131. By D ryans on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Orton / Skelton in no particular order. We can get Kyle for a song in todays NFL and John is not a 30 mil man either. We get both QB’s for less than drafting Newton, use the other 20 mil or so to buy Fitz bigger karat’s for his ears. This team has too many holes and new contracts to fill before throwing that kind of jack at one 22 year old rookie. Trade down, re-sign Larry, Duece, Lyle, Steve, and use all the lower picks to pick up fresh LB’s at good values. RELEASE ANDERSON. I do agree with dumping Leinarts contract, we needed to extend Dockett. This is not the same old Cardinals, the stadium brought pride and money to this franchise. Our core is still intact and our rookies get signed and make it to camp every year. I am renewing my season tickets. only RED in my seats. Darren, see you at camp.

  132. By JoeSchmoe on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    A name that isn’t being thrown around but might be a good option is Chad Pennington. His soft but accurate arm would work well with the playmakers that exist at skill positions. Of course this isn’t a long term but could fit the “babaysitter” role well.

  133. By RelayTV on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Scott H.-

    You defeat your own argument:

    Only one team has decided to “Move on” from McNabb: the Eagles. The Redskins hated him So much that they extended his contract 5 years.

    And what I’ve learned from McNabb’s history is that he wins MANY more games than he loses, and he goes to the playoffs and the pro bowl almost every year.

    I want to say that about the starting QB of the Cardinals, don’t you?

    Philly has Vick and Kolb, Washington has McNabb and Grossman.

    I would take ANY OF THEM to replace D.A. and Hall. Skelton is our good long term prospect so we don’t need to gamble on another QB in the draft, but we need a veteran NOW to help us win NOW.

    And yeah, I’d love Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or Payton Manning, but they aren’t going to be available.

    Our division is weak. With a DECENT QB we could win it next year.

    We only needed to win 3 MORE GAMES to be in the playoffs this season, 3.

    Do you really believe McNabb couldn’t have won 3 games for us?

  134. By Joe on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    I like mallet i cant even tell you why he played well in his bowl game for the most part( i think his recievers came close to a record fr dropped passes) but still there is something about him i like. No Andrew luck left? What does that even mean hw many qbs in the league right now were number 1’S and how many were 3- rounders what is the failure rate of qbs taken with top pick that would be interesting to know. I think mallett would be a great fit for whiz he reminds me a little of big ben you know without all the allegations

  135. By RelayTV on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    This year there were 4 games that we lost by 1 TD or less.

    We win 3 of those 4 games, we are in the playoffs.

    I believe McNabb could have thrown at least 3 more touchdown passes than D.A. over those 4 games, and that’s all we would have needed to make the post season.

    Just 3 more TD passes.

    Think about it.

    McNabb is not better than what the Eagles have now, but he’s an order of magnitude better than what WE have now.

  136. By jocards on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Let’s not over simplify things. Yes I believe McNabb would’ve been better than DA last season but there are troubles across the board with this team. They played in the weakest division but they were also clearly the worst team in that division. A lot of that was due to poor QB play but by no means was that the only issue. The defense was horrible, the offenisve line was horrible, the running game was mostly bad, etc., etc. Losing games by 1 TD or less doesn’t mean you’re a pretty good team, it means you can’t make the plays you need to make in order to win…to me that makes you a pretty bad team. One could just as easily say that they could’ve lost to New Orleans were it not for a few fortunate bounces. They could’ve lost to Oakland if their K makes a chip shot, they could’ve lost the opener to the Rams if Breaston doesn’t make a huge strip. The fact is they were 5-11 and IMO were every bit as bad as 5-11 would indicate. Better play from the QB would’ve made them a better team but this is NOT a good football team we are talking about here make no mistake about that. There is a lot of work to be done.

  137. By Mark on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    If the union de-certifies what does that mean in regards to the labor agreement? Would each player and each team be on its own to make any deal they want with no parameters; no caps no franchise tags etc? (i.e. like MLB) or will the owners then create thier own unilateral guidelines without any union imput? Will there still be a lockout if the union decertifies? I would love to understand this aspect better.

  138. By Darren Urban on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Mark —

    RE: Labor issues

    From what I understand, if they de-certify, there can be no lockout, and the impasse would go to the court system to be battled there.

    This is a pretty good overview of all the issues:

  139. By Scott H on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Relay –
    Don’t know how I defeated my own arguement…my bottom line is that McNabb has not been good enough to take a team where they ultimately want to go. That would be to a championship. Mcnabb has had more opportunities than most QB’s will ever have to do that. But he hasn’t done it. He’s got no Super Bowl wins on his resume. Since that what my arguement is, I think it supports the arguement pretty well.

    Where I absolutely agree with you is the point at which you say that McNabb is better than what we had here this season. OK. But that ain’t saying much. There is a LOOOOONG list of truly un-spectacular QB’s that are probabaly better than what we had this year!

    And, BTW, while the Redskins have not “moved on” from McNabb ( yet ), they DID bench him for Rex Grossman in the final weeks of the season. They DID relegate him to third string / emergency QB status BEHIND a rookie who has never thrown a pass in the NFL. And Shanahan DID tell him that they will not guarantee him that he will be here next year. Sound encouraging to you? The Redskins were just thoroughly disappointed in what they got from McNabb this year, and they decided to pull the plug to give someone else a chance. The fact that they extended his contract means nothing. They did that BEFORE the season started. Before the season ended, they were sending a very different message.

    Look, you’re right, this is all about differing opinions. You and I stand in different places on this one, and that’s fine. Tell ya the truth, I’m actually worn out on the topic of Mcnabb. So, thanks for the dialogue. I respect your thoughts. And now I want to move on.

  140. By mike on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    You got a lot of feedback, lol. I scrolled thru so I may have missed it. But what about Matt Flynn? He’s FA and unlikely to want to be a career back up to AR. Granted one good game does not make a franchise QB, but he seems closest to a Warner like skillset?

  141. By Darren Urban on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Mike —

    RE: Flynn

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. He played one decent game and you want to compare him to Warner? (And I know you are accounting for his lack of resume, but …)

    I think Flynn is the same thing as these others guys — a great unknown.

  142. By RelayTV on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Yes our team has a lot of holes to fill.

    But I don’t think that the defense linebackers or offensive line’s problems can be cured by adding 1 person.

    We can fix our QB problem by adding 1 person: A good veteran QB.

    We can fix our secondary’s problems by adding 1 person: A good veteran Corner.

    That’s why I am advocating these things.

    If the Cards don’t fix what is fixable, then I will not expect them to get better next season, and I will not buy tickets to see them.

    Bottom line: fix the team or lose money as fans like me stay home.

    PS- If we don’t want our team to slide back into being the “same old cardinals” then we can’t be the same old fans — (willing to accept less than the best from our players and coaches, while allowing the ownership to nickel and dime our best players.)

    The Cardinals used to be like the farm system for the rest of the NFL, we would get high draft picks, they would get thrown into the meat grinder of our bad team and not pan out, then they would traded/released to other teams and SUDDENLY we would find out that they had talent after all. (Thomas Jones, Corey Chavous.)

    Or we would develop a great player and couldn’t hold onto them, even though we had nobody to take their place (Simeon Rice, Ricky Proehl, Jake Plummer)

    Did you know that in all his time playing for the Cards, Plummer only had 1 SEASON where he threw more TD’s than interceptions, but in Denver, he ALWAYS threw more touchdowns than pics.

    If we want better, we must demand better.

    All true fans must not accept mediocrity from the Cardinals organization. We have tasted the good life. We know it can be done here. Let’s keep the pressure on .

  143. By RelayTV on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    I’m pretty sure they extended McNabb’s contract mid-season.

    I agree with you that we have worn out this topic.

  144. By mike on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Quick response. Luv it. I agree, the Warner comparison is premature. But everyone being considered, unless drafted looks at best to be a short term answer, outside of Kolb who will be pricey if available. I’m looking at one performance sure, but with system he’s been in he has to be a better and cheaper answer than Orton, Bulger, McNabb or Hasselbeck. Ref. Matt Flynn.

  145. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    I dont understand the Cardinals thinking, you have Vince Young and McNabb sitting right there just waiting to be taken, the Quarterback issue is a MUST right now, and a lot of teams need them and there isnt very many good ones available. Are you really telling me Darren that the Cardinals have absolutely no intent whats so ever to try and bring Young or McNabb to this team all because Young has a little T.O. in him and McNabb got cut by 2 teams? Who cares about any of that, both of those quarterbacks are good, they win games! And they arent going to be very expensive either so its not like you gotta dish out the cookies. Once those 2 get taken, there is NOBODY worth signing that will do any good for this team, those are the only 2 apples left on the tree. And the draft isnt going to do us any good because obviously they dont wanna try and draft any of the top quarterbacks either. So whats going to happen? It doesnt look like there is much that can

  146. By Darren Urban on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Rodgers —

    RE: QBs

    No, I’m telling you I think that’s the direction they will go.

    It makes me laugh to hear you say “who cares” that McNabb was cut by 2 teams and Young “has a little T.O.” in him. Are we living in a vacuum? Why does that not matter at all? You realize what the Titans/Redskins have behind those players at QB, right? And yet, both teams are letting the QBs go. Could they be making a mistake? Sure. No one knows the future. But to completely ignore the issues makes no sense.

    You know when players/coaches always talk about wanting to avoid distractions? It’s because distractions can hurt a team.

  147. By AndyStandsUp on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Pennington has had an amazingly accurate career completion percentage, but he’s working on his 4th shoulder surgery.

  148. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Why does’t the NFL have a rule stating that if you are an owner of a team, and that your team is going to be in the NFL, than you HAVE to be willing to pay money for players and actually compete to win, not just sit there and bring in millions of dollars every year for yourselves, that is what this whole league is about, football, playing to compete and win Championships. Fans pay a lot of money every year, and we all just get screwed because nothing ever happens with this team, too many players and opportunities get passed up every season to be a good, because either a team does not want to pay money, or something stupid involving the players personal issues, We were lucky when we brought Kurt in, its not like the Cardinals signed him knowing that he was going to be our guy, they just needed to sign somebody for the depth chart.

  149. By Plucky on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    The solution to this year is simple sign me up russ grimm.. lets be honest if we draft a new qb we are in the rebuilding phase, we have the talent right now to make a deep playoff run we dont need to be rebuilding. We must sign a vet to teach skelton, as long as he doesn’t turn the ball over we could easily win 9-10 games next season. We have a lot of young talent we just need a better depth and more consistent play. Here is how the draft should go.

    1(5) – Trade down if Patrick Peterson is gone (which he will be). He is the only player worthy of this pick. This pick will be hot with a lot of teams below us looking for a new qb someone will want to leapfrog in front. We trade down receive a 1st and a 3rd i could see Tenn jumping SF.

    1(8) Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska – We still get our man and get a little value with him. I think he will start off in nickel and overtake toler moving him to nickel.

    2(38) Justin Houston OLB Georgia – We need a OLB big time, he’s good in coverage and has a fast first step he will be groomed behind haggans and eventually surpass him.

    3- Leonard Hankerson WR Miami – with breaston leaving (thats what i hear) we need a new target at 6’3 208 hankerson will do .. hes has good speed power and hands.. he brings a little bit of everything with a great work ethic and attitude.

    3- John Moffitt OG Wisconsin – Big time need, both of our OG’s are FA this year Moffitt at 6’5 325 it’s what we like to see along our big Oline

    4- Chris Hairston OT Clemson – At 6’7 325 russ grimm will be salivating out of his mouth. He is coming off an injury but the cardinals have taken chances on this before. He can also play guard which is a big upside.

    5- Casey Matthews ILB Oregon – The last name says it all, with a few added pounds (thx lott) he will make one heck of a SILB. He will play behind lennon but can be moved all over.

    6- Bilal Powell RB Lousiville – A very shifty change of pace back who has good size at 6’1 215 should run below a 4.5. I’m tired of seeing two bruisers lets see some speed.

    6- Eugene Clifford SS Tenn State – #1 rated safety coming out of High School went to OSU transferred because he got arrested but a ton of talent. If Adub can teach him we get a steal if not his speed should make a good special teams player

  150. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    What really hurts a team is cutting your number 1 pick for Anderson, and replacing him with 2 other rookies, what also hurts a team is letting 5 of your starters go without trying to resign any of them, thats what hurts a team, not somebody whp has issues, we would win with those quarterbacks

  151. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Woudl you rather have Vince Young, or Derrek Anderson? McNabb or Skelton?

  152. By Darren Urban on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Rodgers —

    RE: Choices

    Those answers are obvious. But it also doesn’t mean you are going to win. What makes you think, for instance, Young will be successful here? Because you know how he’ll run this offense? Because you know he’ll grow up? What happens if he comes in, plays terrible the first two games and actually gets booed by the home fans?

  153. By Jared on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    The 5th pick needs to be the top defensive player on the board. Cardinals dont need another rookie QB at that spot. Anderson has to go he is awful. I would have like to see Max Hall play more. Skelton looked just like Anderson. Completing less than 50 percent of his passes and not mobil. I think too many people have given up on Hall. Hall is a good QB, he just needs more time, he did break almost every record at BYU. We need a Veteran QB that is not washed up, getting another Anderson will not fix anything. We need a defensive tackle and Linebacker because they could not stop the run. We need a better O-line.
    I like Kolb or Orton. Cam Newton is not mature he is not an option he will be like Vince Young.

  154. By jay on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    The cardinals should get Prince Amukamara at #5 hes the #1 coner in the draft and hes a shudown coner that gets in your face a jams you.they say hes a top 5 pick .and hes from here too glendale az when to apollo high.

  155. By tyman on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    This is my replie to comments that whiz dosnt know how to handel NFL QB’s.
    I think you fans who say this and think its true are off your rocker. Whiz is a good coach because he makes people compete and earn thier spots on the team. If it wasnt for whiz giving kurt his shot after he fixed his fumble problem would we have ever made the super bowl and almost won. You cant baby players in the NFL because its a mans sport. As for whiz calling plays, well hes did it and had success. The Offense just didnt exicute this year.

  156. By jocards on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    I’m sorry but just how does one come to the conclusion that we have the talent for a deep playoff run? The Cardinals won 5 games! The offense was terrible, the defense was terrible. This IS NOT the same team that it was in 2008 & 2009…I swear folks must have been watching different games then I was because I thought the team looked absolutely awful most of the time. A big part of the drop off was losing Kurt Warner but that is not all there is to it. The defense was amoung the worst in the NFL, the OL was terrible. A deep playoff run?!?! Come on, it’s awfully difficult to believe that a team that puts up 5 wins is capable of a deep playoff run.

  157. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply


    Why does’t the NFL have a rule stating that if you are an owner of a team, and that your team is going to be in the NFL, than you HAVE to be willing to pay money for players

    You mean the Dan Snyder approach?

  158. By phxsuns480 on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    I Agree with Relay TV. Keep the pressure on the FO.

  159. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply


    We didn’t look good most of the time but outside of losing Warner I don’t know we were that different from 08 and 09. We suffered some pretty embarrassing defeats in 08 (Jets, Vikings, Pats, Eagles) and our D in 09 had the distinction of giving up 90 points in two playoff games. With the rules and the style of play so tilited in the QB’s favor nowadays it’s paramount to have one of the best in the league, which Warner returned to once the coaches cleaned up his ball security issues. Obviously, they didn’t have the same success with DA and as the saying goes, you can’t win the Kentucky Derby riding a donkey. Look at a lot of NE’s stats this year and you’ll find they’re surprisingly comparable to ours (total yards given up, drops by WR’s, average rushing yards per attempt). Now look at their team QB rating. Give us a franchise QB back and we’re in the running again.

    Hence my desire to get Gabbert in this year’s draft. I don’t think we want to be recycling veterans while Bradford continues to build on his rookie season.

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  161. By Scott H on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Relay TV –

    GREAT post about how we – as fans – need to keep our expectations up after tasting the good life for the past few seasons. So very well said. I agree, and I think THAT is truly where all of my fruatration from these past few months is rooted. Like Fitz himself said – I’ve been eating caviar and I’m not ready to go back to eating from the garbage can. I AM keeping my expectations up, and WILL NOT go back to settling for 5-11 every year. I’ll give the organization the benefit of the doubt FOR NOW. But after this season, they have something to prove to me. And they don’t get a decade to prove it.

  162. By jocards on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    @ Mike Ellingboe

    Well I’ll say this, The NFL is a QB driven league and if you don’t get solid play from that position you’re going to have a very difficult time winning. I recall the embarressing defeats of ’08 and the dismantling of our defense in last year’s post season. However there were also many moments that the team looked really good. I think we agree that the most glaring difference is the QB position. However there has been considerable turnover elsewhere too. Boldin is gone, Dansby is gone, Rolle is gone just to site 3 examples. We went from 10 wins to 5 wins and I really thought the team looked just awful most of the time. Like I said the Cardinals were clearly the worst team in the worst division so I have a hard time believing that adding any of the realistic QB options (F/A or draft) is going to make this team capable of a deep post season run…Love the donkey analogy! EEE-AWW!

  163. By Lloyd on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    Kyle Orton. Look at his stats the last three years. He is only 28 years old, and would fit the Cards system perfecly.

  164. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply


    Stole that line from Shannon Sharpe (surprised that he would be one to say that?). Anyways, you are right about the other turnover in players but we managed to get clobbered with them a time or two as well.

    Agree as well that the potential veteran pool of QB’s doesn’t excite me either, so I’ll keep hoping that Gabbert slips to #5 and that we don’t look a gift horse in the mouth like we did when some running back from OK was available at the same pick a few years back.

  165. By Eazy E on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    I guarantee you mcnabb and vy will bounce back big time God forbid a horrible injury.

  166. By Plucky on Jan 13, 2011 | Reply

    we go from 10 wins to 5 wins when our defense is on the field for the majority of the game.. any team will lose when their defense is on the field for 40 min a game.. if we have a qb who can sustain drives and keep the def off the field we could easily win.. the best defense sometimes is a good offense.. as long as skelton does turn the ball over and we put ourselves in managable 3rd downs this is all possible..

  167. By Scott H on Jan 14, 2011 | Reply

    Wow, never seen this many replies to a blog…this must be what happens when your team is 5-11 and nowhere near the playoffs…ah, I remember these days! Ugh…I dread this weekend. Whenever I watch a Sat night playoff game, I can’t help thinking back to the night two years ago when the Cards put a major-league butt whipping on the Panthers in Carolina…best Sat night of my life, I swear!

  168. By Chris on Jan 14, 2011 | Reply

    I would like to see them get the best defensive player available,especially if he is a pass rusher !

  169. By joe on Jan 15, 2011 | Reply

    this year was not a players problem but a coaching problem. this team was never ready for sunday. re-organize the practices and rule the team with a winning fist. I and everyone else has seen how this team gives up (and they do) and that is the coaches problem. Yes these are men and they are rich but deep down they need leadership from maturity. Get some Coaches Whise that take the game seriouse and are not affraid to put a pro bowler in check if they drag @$$, a-dub. This was the worse year ever, even worse then the 2000 season. The NFC sooooo weak and the cards couldnt scrap up the easiest playoff birth in football history. wow that’ll sting for years, So imbarrasing to be a cards fan right now, please suits dont screw up 2011, please coaches get a handle on this team, please players WAKE UP. Shadow the Pats this off season and see how a team is put together and driven and take it back to the desert and WIN WIN

  170. By cheesy wax on Jan 15, 2011 | Reply

    derek Anderson should be starter next year he has made it to a pro bowl and if you look what he did in 2007 season with the browns give him a chance

  171. By chad linebaugh on Jan 15, 2011 | Reply

    how about matt flynn?? this guy played pretty well when aaron rodgers was hurt

  172. By CardiacCards on Jan 15, 2011 | Reply

    We need Skelton to step up and take the starting role. Then Draft defense mostly.

  173. By cardboy on Jan 15, 2011 | Reply


  174. By Shane on Jan 16, 2011 | Reply

    Newton is the cards answer ok i cant say that until you see him play but i think he is the cards best chance on a Qb in the draft. I say sign mack burgler and look for a good out side line backer and o line but if newton does start i think the cards have a way better chance to win games. Newton is a 2010 Michel Vick he is a winner i mean look at his stats over 1,000 yrds rushing over 2,000 yrds passing
    30 tds he is a beast!. And you cant come pair him to matt liert just because matt was a hisemen troffe winner matt is not even close. If the cards want to win get Newton!

  175. By Brian R. on Jan 17, 2011 | Reply

    We should give up the second for Kyle then, hes not bad at all. Look at the Bears, they dont use their 1st round picks, so give that up to a team for a trade. A lot of them are busts anyway. What has Dan Williams done for the Cardinals? Washington should have been the first rounder.

  176. By #1AZDanWilliams on Jan 17, 2011 | Reply

    Trade down 1st rd 5th pick and a 2nd to the Pats for their 2 1st rounders. Should still have a 2nd rounder too(I think). Pick up Castonzo LT from BC (3 straight seasons as starter and 1st Fresh to start on BC OL in over 10 years) lots of upside and potential to be great with our coaching staff. Pick up a LB or really good CB with other pick. Then pile up talent through rest of draft. I would say pick Pouncey and Castonzo if Sendlein goes….. Need to shore up that OL… Skelton showed alot of poise and serious potential. Or go get an Established Veteran QB but no more rooks. Faneca has to go and Levi brown is not a solution at LT. Re-sign Lutui…. Maybe go after 2 Key OL in FA, like Jamaal Brown or Omar Gaither but we need to establish protection on offense and a solid pass rush with consistant tackling on defense before anything else.

  177. By #1AZDanWilliams on Jan 17, 2011 | Reply

    – Brian R.
    ” What has Dan Williams done for the Cardinals?”

    Did you watch any of the games? He was probably the only sure DL this season aside from Branch everyone else were underachievers this year including Dockett. Our OLB’s were terrible this year although when Schofield got in there he showed some flashes of what’s ahead. Honestly the defense as a whole was GARBAGE this year, and they know it. They need to stop trying for these shoulder leading, big hit style tackles and start wrapping up and following through. Back to Fundamentals

  178. By #1AZDanWilliams on Jan 17, 2011 | Reply

    I wish everyone would look at the picture and stop talking drafting a QB!!! If we can’t pick a good one up in FA then stick with Skelton and improve his surroundings. The OL was pretty terrible with the exceptance of maybe Lutui and Sendlein. Faneca was constantly getting beat as he was always out of place. Levi Brown should have never been at LT and Brandon Keith……… Well he should only play interior line if at all in the NFL. WR’s were straight this year but a QB is only gonna get them the ball if he has protection. RB’s need work and need to be more consistant. Hightower has to go!!!! Fumbles are a HUGE issue for that dude. He had some good games but they were seriously shadowed by big mistakes. I would put up with it a little more if he put up numbers like Ahmad Bradshaw but he’s not Bradshaw and he continues to create bad situations for us. Beanie needs to step up and play like the football world expected him to after his rookie year…. If not, he needs to get to steppin too…. I’m sorry to sound so down about this team but I’ve been a fan of the Cards since I saw their 1st preseason game at ASU (saints) and this is getting tiring

  179. By redrage on Jan 18, 2011 | Reply

    well people think mcnabs best days are behind him funny we all said that about kurt just think back to when mcnabb had owens to throw to look how far they went now think of fitz he is by far a better receiver then owens could ever dream to be so imagine the possibility

  180. By Chris on Jan 19, 2011 | Reply

    Dustin D-

    That would be my dream job my friend tell him i would do it for 40 k a year!

  181. By Old Man Riva on Jan 20, 2011 | Reply

    I am way behind on commenting about a Big Red QB, but what the heck, I am old so should be forgiven. Just finished checking some stats on QBs the Cards have drafted or signed as a FA and it is very interesting. Since 1960, they have drafted 3 QBs in the 1st round…Leinart in ’06, Kelly Stouffer in ’87 and Steve Pisarkiewicz in ’77. Hmmmm tell me something good any of them did. In the 2nd round…Neil Lomax in ’81 and Jake Plummer in ’97. Much more success with these picks. I didn’t bother to check all the QBs picks but did want to make note of three others who were pretty successful in the Big Red colors…Charley Johson was drafted in the 10th round. Jim Hart was signed as a FA in ’66 and was probably the 2nd most successful QB in Big Red history. The most successful? Kurt Warner…signed as a FA by the Green Bay Packers where he couldn’t beat out Bret Favre and others. The one that got away? Back in the 1965 draft, they drafted a young QB out of Alabama named Joe Namath with their #1 pick, but that’s when the NFL and AFL were at war and the Jets signed him. Wonder how a signing like that would have changed our history???

    Have a great off season Darren.

  182. By frankie Garza on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply


    I think Qb this draft isnt the best choice we cant chance it so we need to think about other options such as getting larry fitz some help i know AJ GREEN would be the best choice because he is compared to larry and would require double coverage as well were a passing team we need to fix the problem and get back to what we do best…. Then second round draft a corner… Third a OLB ….. Defense was not good this year but our offense was even worse we could trade for a veterin QB plus Skelton still has what it takes…

  183. By crimsonsamurai on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Carson Palmer BAM!

  184. By WarnerFan#13 on Feb 1, 2011 | Reply

    The Bulger and Skelton combo would be the best in my opinion. You hear people trasin’ Bulger but he didn’t have an O-line. Skelton needs a Vet to teach’em and Marc Bulger is our best bet to lead us to a Super Bowl at this point. We need a QB that can score and keep the D off the field and Dockett, DRC, Wilson, Rhodes, and Lenon will o the rest

  185. By WarnerFan#13 on Feb 1, 2011 | Reply

    And you can’t forget gettin’ the ball to Larry ”Stickyfingers” Fitzgerald

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