What Sunday means (like Fitz to Hawaii)

Posted by Darren Urban on January 23, 2011 – 7:47 pm

In light of today’s happenings, some meaning on a Cardinals’ level:

As mentioned yesterday, the Cardinals got a third player in the Pro Bowl today as Larry Fitzgerald goes yet again (for the fifth time and fourth season in a row) as a replacement for the Packers’ Greg Jennings – who obviously has better things to do prepping for the Super Bowl. Fitz joins S Adrian Wilson and DT Darnell Dockett.

— With the Steelers winning it once again impacts the Cardinals’ search for a new defensive coordinator. There seems to be little question there are candidates from Pittsburgh. Linebackers coach Keith Butler and even defensive backs coach Ray Horton have been mentioned repeatedly in reports, and now, after ESPN talked today about famed defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau having his contract expire after this season, the Hall of Famer’s name is now floating around.

Of course, all are off-limits for another two weeks (coach Ken Whisenhunt said he was planning on interviewing a “couple of guys” at the Senior Bowl this week, and I am assuming that means guys other than possible Pittsburgh men). Does that mean those guys are out of contention? Or does Whisenhunt feel confident enough he can get someone that he’s willing to wait?

— Speaking of ESPN reports, there is the story today about Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer expected to demand a trade (and threaten to retire to get it done). If Palmer were to go on the market – and again, the Bengals don’t have to send him anywhere – I am sure the Cardinals would have serious discussions about trying to get him.

Then again, a player can’t be traded until there is a new collective bargaining agreement, and given the current landscape, that could be a while.

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  1. By JoeVero on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    If you had to guess, how high of a draft pick would be required to trade for Carson Palmer, ignoring the current CBA situation?

  2. By Darren Urban on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    JoeVero —

    RE: Palmer trade

    No idea. I don’t even know if Cincy will want to trade him.

  3. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    The Cardinals would rather have Carson Palmer over Vince Young? hahahaha

  4. By Javi on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren what about Donovan McNabb, or Vince Young I mean Carson Palmer is like another Derek Anderson to me he was good at once and then they played horrible

  5. By Darren Urban on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Javi —

    RE: McNabb/Young

  6. By Sackman on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Carson Palmer?

    Maybe as a backup, have you guys seen him play lately?

    Too much money, too many problems!!!

  7. By brad oneill on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    i would think a 3rd round pick would be about right for palmer, that is what was given for boomer esiason from the jets when they traded him.

    I am happy for fitz and for dockett but next year i expect them to be giving their spots up because they are busy prepping for the big game.

    It would be really interesting if the pittsburg steelers decided to go with butler and let lebeau’s contract expire. It makes sense in that they could concievably get 20 years out of butler and he is ready for the bigger office where as lebeau is coming to the tail end of his contract. i don’t know if his old bones would want to enjoy a few years in the valley of the sun picking out a retirement home while working his magic on our guys but i for one would love to have him.

    Whiz would open himself up to a lot of jokes bringing in a 70 year old guy when he already has a reputation as turning the cardinals into an old folks home for some of his former players. But somehow i think his sense of humor would enjoy that more than be bothered by it.

  8. By Nick on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know what’s with all the Carson Palmer hate. He’s definitely be a huge upgrade over what we had much better than Vince Young. As far as Dick Lebeau I’m not gonna get my hopes up. Probably not gonna happen. But if it did that would be awesome.

  9. By Cardinals on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Yes, Fitz is playing!

  10. By heartthrob315 on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    congrats larry and I would like to see dick lebeau as DC for the cardz GO BIG RED

  11. By Skiptim on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Darren –

    In your article “Another Pro Bowl Start For Wilson”, you wrote that Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie was also a Pro Bowl alternate. The Packers had two out of three of the NFC Pro Bowl cornerbacks on their roster (Charles Woodson and Tramon Williams). Is DRC going to be replacing either of them, or is he too far down as an alternate?

  12. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Skiptim, Scott —

    RE: DRC Pro Bowl

    If he was in line to replace one of them, we would know at this point.

  13. By SteveDCO on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Going to be a very starnge off season.

    After a DC is signed, probably after the SB. Maybe an extension for Fitz and then nothing.

    Once a CBA is signed going to see a lot of moves in probably a very, very short amount of time, especially if CBA is signed and teams have 2 to 4 weeks to get ready before first game.

    Draft will be only relief from the endless PR battle between PA and owners.

  14. By Pheenic Cromartie on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply


    He’s been a relatively good QB in his career. This past season, he had his best game with Chad OchoCinco and T.O. out, and he had it against a great San Diego Defense too. Maybe he needs to come to a diva-less atmosphere. Besides, he’s a huge upgrade over whoever we have.

    Congratulations to Fitz. Darren, under what circumstances would we see Fitz and Darnell Dockett get playing time in the Pro Bowl?

  15. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Pheenic —

    RE: PB playing time

    They will play for sure. There’s only 4 WRs and 3 DT, so everyone has to play.

  16. By Gary J on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    I’m happy Fitz gets to go. If he had a real QB this year he would have had much better stats and would have made it sooner.There are so many options at QB this off-season it’s hard to tell who the Cards will go after. The only QB that the Cards should retain is John Skelton for sure. After that, its a mystery. Carson Palmer is a very possible QB because he has been a great QB in the past and might become one again in the right situation.

  17. By Darrel on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Darren do you think that Bens play Can help cam newtons stock…. seeing that there always being compared ?

  18. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Darrel —

    RE: Cam helped by Ben

    I don’t know if I’d go that far. Styles are similar, but Ben is Ben. I think you rate Newton based on what you see from him.

  19. By jose cadena on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    we need a quarterback that is consistent carson palmer had chad and terrel and we did better than them

  20. By Scott on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply


    Any word on DRC going to the Probowl? 2 of the corners were from GB so he should be in as well wouldn’t he?

  21. By StvR_1082 on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Not to be racist but the Cardinals need a black quarterback! Someone who can elude the pass rush and evade would-be tacklers. I think Mike Vick or Vince Young would be perfect, definately not Mcnabb though, he’s too old and his accuracy is slipping. Or maybe the Cards can grab Cam Newton out of the draft, he would be perfect as well! To avoid the Sack, bring in the black!

  22. By Darrel on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    But you are being racist because not only black qb make plays out side the. Pocket. Look @ aron rodgers and big ben ,bradford. Those guys get make play with ther legs not just black qbs I really like newton but has nothing to do with skin color. Ignorant comment.

  23. By Mark on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    I would love to see Carson Palmer come to the cards, I think he has alot left in the tank and will do well throwing to Fitz and Company. i also think the trading for Palmer would make it easlier to resign Fitz, but what does it gonna take to bring him here. Darren are the Cards gonna get any extra compensary draft picks this year for losing Dansby and Rolle to free agency.

  24. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Mark —

    RE: Compensatory picks

    I am sure Dansby will help. Rolle doesn’t give anything because he wasn’t a FA technically. He was cut.

  25. By Brian R. on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    Quarterback is a NUMBER ONE PRIORITY this off season. We are desperate for a QB right now. Please Whiz, if anything, please get a good quarterback. I believe in you. I hate to see us not contending in the super bowl. In Whiz I trust.

  26. By Drew on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply


    This may be doubtful as I’m sure every team will want him but have you heard anything about possible landing spots for Nnamdi Asomugha? Any chance the Cards shell out? Guy like that can really change a defense? A secondary with him, Wilson, Rhodes, and DRC??

    Figure I should have you tell me to let it go so I stop thinking about it…

    Really wish this labor issue wasn’t looming because there are so many exciting options for this offseason for the cards but who knows what is going to happen… Also wish Young wasn’t such a headcase cuz I think he could be good here but won’t get the chance cuz of his issues…

  27. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Drew —

    RE: Nnamdi

    A lot of teams are going to be going for him. I think the Cards, if they are going to shell out for a FA, should look pass rusher before CB.

  28. By Sedona Chris on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply


    thanks for setting the record straight back on the 12th about all the other big names floating around in association with our organization… At my work, we’ve been discussing what, if anything, the Cards are going to do with our First Round Pick, and a lot of my coworkers are adamant about getting us drafting a QB early on, which I have vehemently opposed. Do you see us using our pick as trade bait or would we address one of the “problem” positions?

  29. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Sedona —

    RE: Trading first round pick

    I don’t know if I’d say it’d be used for bait. But I wouldn’t be shocked if it was used to get extra picks depending on who is there at 5, how far they’d have to move down and what they are targeting.

  30. By John on Jan 23, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with others.. Carson Palmer??????? Please..please, let’s not go thru this again.(DA)

  31. By Walter L on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    IMO, Palmer just needs a change of scenery and an organization that’s commited to winning. And find me a QB that says he doesn’t want to throw to Larry Fitzgerald, and I’ll show you a liar. Even after this season, AZ is a huge step up from the Cincy.

    Congrats to A-Dub, Nine-0, and Larry! Make us proud!

  32. By Mr. Know It All on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren

    Stephen Skelton TE Fordham 6-5 238lbs had 63 catches for 634 yrds and 6 TDs in 2009 when his brother Cards QB John Skelton was throwing him the ball at Fordham. You think Stephen has a inside track for at least a try out with the Cards?

    CBA or not the Draft will happen.

    Cards need pass rush specialist OLB (2)
    Must fix OL problems LT, OG,
    TE still an issue, FB?
    Run stopping ILB but keep P Lenon
    SS to develop,
    QB to compete with John Skelton

    The Cards need to get younger, faster and stronger.
    I hope HC Whiz will make the tough decisions needed to stop the downward spiral.

    The 3-4 look transition the Cards have tried to make has been a disaster because the Cards are currently a 4-3 skill set group. I mean look at the Steelers, Ravens, Jets and Packers, the Cards just don’t have the LB,s or DL truly suited for a 3-4 like the top defensive teams that run it. Good Luck to who ever is hired as the new DC.

    When you closely examine the Cards roster there are solid players to keep and several young backups got some experience on both sides of the ball. I hope that will make a difference going forward.

    The Cards went from first to worst in the NFC West in one season only way to go is up!!!!!!!!!

  33. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Mr. Know —

    RE: Skelton brother

    I am sure they will evaluate him and decide from that. I don’t think he’s much more likely to be asked here because of his brother.

  34. By BigTom on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Congrats to Fitz and the others for making it in. I am looking forward to seeing these guys play next week with a few good QBs at the helm. I just wish that Kerry and Ben and LaRod had made it in. Their hard work needs to be showcased on a bigger level.

    I will probably be watching more this offseason than in the past. Thanks for keeping us out of towners informed Darren! I can’t wait to hear/see what’s going to happen.

  35. By KyCardsfan on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    I would much rather have Kyle Orten over Palmer…better QB and longer life expectancy in the NFL…palmers getting old. Why would Palmer be a top candidate Darren?

  36. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    KyCards —

    RE: Palmer

    Never said he’d be a “top” candidate. I said they’d look at him as an option — because at this point, they have to consider everything.

  37. By Rick on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t have an opinion yet of whether I think Palmer would be a good fit for the Cards or not. However, looking at Palmers statistics he has a career 63% completion rate, has always had more TD’s than INT’s (in 2004 it was 18/18), averages 25 TD’s per season AND does not come from a West Coast system AND hasn’t been “banned” from his team, a la VY!! I think as I put this down I may have an opinion after all. Carson Palmer is definitely worth a look.

    Truth in broadcasting: I did not include 2004, the year Palmer was hurt in the avg TD’s or the TD/Int ratio.

  38. By LB on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Man, what’s the deal with our kickers and the Pro Bowl? Last year Ben Graham was snubbed, this year it’s Feely. It’s the one area of the game where i feel as comfortable as any team in the league.

  39. By cardsfan 46 yrs on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    you people are so desperate you would consider is mindboggling what some of you would consider.i think after reading some of these that most of you are fans of other teams in nfc west,because you can’t be cards fans and be serious about palmer.i mean everyname that pops up ,can we get him,can we get for defensive coaches,why would any of them want to come here.his reputation would go in the crapper after 1 year,why risk it when they can stay in pitt and have no problems.he can’t go on the field and tackle for us,can’t not go offsides on field goes when it’s 4th and4 and jump offsides to give other team 1 st are usually as good a coach as you have good players,there inlies our problem.we have player problems not coaches problems.

  40. By Andrew Pardue on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    yeah idk about carson palmer. He isnt all that great esspecially with 2 amazing WR’s OCHOICNO and T.O. and they stilll had a losing season. So who knows but maybe meical vick would be a good choice for us. He aint bad and im preety sure that they might want to give him up since the outcome in the playoffs when they played the PACK! but anyway thank god fitz is goin to the pro bowl maybe now they could actully complete some passes to the guy!!!!!

  41. By cardsalltheway on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    I love that Pittburgh and Greenbay are both playing in Dallas for the Super Bowl. I know some Dallas Cowboy fans and they aren’t very happy about that.

  42. By K-DUB on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply


    What are your odds that Palmer will be in the NFC West? Three teams in this dvision need quarterbacks. Also if it comes to picks what do you think his value is worth?

  43. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    K-Dub —

    RE: Palmer in NFC West

    As of now (10:21 a.m. on 1/24) I say zero, since Bengals owner Mike Brown said this morning he won’t be trading Palmer.

  44. By D on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    If the CBA get done and Cincy wants to listen, would Palmer redo his contract? We’ll see how bad he wants to leave there….

  45. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know if Carson would want to play behind the Card’s O-Line as it stands today.

  46. By Chuck 1 on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    The chasm that separates all aspects of the Steelers’ and Cardinals’ franchises was never more evident than yesterday when the Steelers beat the Jets.
    #1. Mendenhall was a beast, breaking tackles to gain, probably, 25 yards after first contact. Wells is injured frequently and is fumble prone as is Hightower.
    #2. Pouincey, the Steelers’ ROOKIE center, is going to the Pro Bowl. How much of an impact have the recent Cards’ draft choices made e.g. Williams and Washington? And, how has Levi Brown worked out?
    #3. The Steelers’ four LBs, Harrison, Woodley, Farrior and ?, are worlds better than Lenon, Hayes, Porter and Washington.
    #4. Need I mention that Big Ben is headed to the HoF? And, the Cards have ??? as their QB (certainly no HoF QB, or even an adequate QB, on the horizon)
    #5. The Steelers (and Jets) let Faneca go. The Steelers (and Dolphins) let Porter go. Graves and Whiz picked up those two OTH players, presumably because they were Steelers and Whiz was comfortable with them. Meanwhile, the Steelers reloaded with young talented players.
    #7. The Steelers rookie WRs made several big plays. What ever happened to our rookie WRs who were so highly thought of in the preseason?

    The Cards could have Brady and he would be prone more than upright behind the OLine.

    As Kurt said recently in an interview, “The Cards shouldn’t pick a QB in the first round. They have too many holes to fill.”

    So, for all of you Kool-Aid drinking fans out there, please admit that the Scouting Department, Graves and Whiz have made terrible personnel decisions over the last couple of years.

    What a joke to think that Dick LeBeau would ever consider leaving the Steelers to come to the Cards!!!

    As they say on the Sunday NFL Pre-Game show, “C’MON MAN”!!!

  47. By Tyler Durden on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Please don’t embarrass yourself by uttering Derek Anderson and Carson Palmer in the same sentance. Carson Palmer is an NFL quarterback and Derek Anderson is not. Need facts? Here you go: 62.9 comp. 22,694 7.1 154 TD 100 Int. Here’s what a bad year for Palmer looks like: 61.8 3,970 6.8 26td’s 20int 26 82.4 Rating. Let’s look at Anderson Career stats: 52.6 9,148 6.4 53 tds 55 int 68.8 rating. See any similarity at all? No you don’t. Ray Charles could see that and the wonderful man was blind and no is longer with us. Having an actual NFL QB on this team would equal a division title. A veteran who has grit is exactly what Whisenhunt and this organization needs. We need someone who will stand up to Whisenhunt and ask for accountability from the offensive players….sound familiar…The Cards should pull out all the stops to get him, continue to groom Skelton and get a dynamic non QB with the 5th pick in the draft. But that’s the smart thing to do soooo….

  48. By jocards on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    I think we Cards fans had better get used to uncertainty. No F/A signings or player trades will be consummated until a new CBA is in place and to me it doesn’t look as though that will happen for some time. Further the hiring of a new DC might well wait until after the Super Bowl is over…As anxious as I am for the team to make some moves toward improvement I’m trying to get used to the fact that no moves are likely to happen in the short term. I don’t want to even think about the possibility of a freeze on free agency. That’s a worst case scenario but is a possibility from what I gather.

  49. By Chad on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Is there any distinction made between players who make the pro bowl by being voted into the top line-ups opposed to the players who get in as alternates?

    Derek Anderson only made it to the Pro Bowl as an alternate, meaning if other guys don’t drop out he doesn’t go and doesn’t have that “title.” And I think that ‘title” gave us false hope about his skills at QB this last year.

    Fitz has gone not as an alternate several times before, but has Dockett always been an alternate? Does it carry a stigma or as long as you get in, you get in?

  50. By emm7777 on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Carson Palmer could have some potential. I’m tired of all the speculation though, I just want John Skelton as our QB!

  51. By Austin C on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply


    Does the LeBeau report actually have anything to it or is this just another rumor that is being thrown out there that realistically won’t happen?

  52. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Austin —

    RE: LeBeau

    The facts are these: LeBeau’s contract is running out. The Cards need a DC. Whisenhunt and LeBeau have a good relationship. LeBeau has a good thing going in Pittsburgh. He is 73 and could retire.

    The rest, at this point, is speculation.

  53. By jocards on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Sackman –

    I understand your point but Carson Palmer as a backup to whom? He is a far sight batter than anything we have on our current roster…

    However to get him it’d take a new CBA, then the Bengals would have to decide to trade him, then the Cardinals would have to decide if they want him, then they’d need to work out a trade….Carson Palmer or anybody else for that matter isn’t coming to Arizona any time soon. Sorry, just me pounding away at the lack of a CBA again!

  54. By redless on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    i think palmer would be a great QB its hard to throw to WR’s when they dont run the routes the are supposed to run i.e ocho and T.O what happen when them two got injured and he did have recievers that ran their routes he started making better throws. dont judge his performance when he some of the worse route runners.

  55. By Voice of Reason on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Two words if they get Carson Palmer: Division Champs.

    Another two words: Fitz Extension.

    If the report is true about Palmer, they should do whatever it takes to get him. Instant credibility on offense, plus a guy with more than a few years left. Bring Bulger in as a backup in June, have Skelton as #3 and you’re set.

    On defense — Dick Lebeau would be perfect as well. Yes, he’s 73 (although he’s said that Paterno has ten years on him, so he’s not ready to retire quite yet). Guys his age like familiarity more than anything. If the Steelers are looking to go younger at that position (i.e., Butler), Lebeau would be the natural fit here. Again, instant credibility on defense. No doubt, there will be free agents who will want to play here if he’s the coach. Will take Haley-like money to get him, but this is a classic case of PAY IT.

    Either, alone, would be an incredible recovery over what is currently the perception – that the Cards are dropping the ball. Getting them both guarantees a stadium full of Card fans the next three years, probably two to three division championships in that time, and Larry Fitzgerald signing another extension.

    OK, Graves. Want to prove your worth? Get this done.

  56. By Voice of Reason on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Another free agent they should look very seriously at: Greg Olson from the Bears. They’ve needed a TE forever.

  57. By Voice of Reason on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Darren — on Mike Brown’s latest comment re Palmer. Remember what Andy Reid was saying about McNabb at this time last year.

  58. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Voice —

    RE: Brown comment/Reid

    A solid point.

    Everything can always change. One difference: Reid had Vick/Kolb in his back pocket. The Bengals have no one.

  59. By Wampag on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    okay word is Palmer is staying in cinci and leBeau is going to be resigned in Pitt so where does that leave us D any word on mangenius and what about wade phillips whats he doing

  60. By Scott on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply


    Will the Pittsburgh coaches be at senior week do you think and if so would Whiz be allowed to talk to them at all about the position there or is that a strict no?

  61. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Scott —

    RE: Senior Bowl/Steelers

    The Steelers coaches are a little busy this week to head to Mobile. And even if they were there, that’d be tampering to talk to them.

  62. By jocards on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    If the Cardinals could manage to get Dick LeBeau it would be a great move…I don’t know how likely it is but that would be a home run for Graves and company. A HR would be a welcome sight as the team has struck out a lot of late.

  63. By jocards on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Wade Phillips is already employed by the Texans.

  64. By Peter in Canada on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Darren – Your response to KYCARDS should be required reading for all the posters. Re the QB situation “At this point they have to consider everything”. Never were truer words spoken.

  65. By brad oneill on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    i would love to see skeltons brother for two reasons. 1. because skelton is a big brother and big brothers perform better when they have a little brother around counting on them.

    2. it would be nice to have a tight end that not only can catch but when he blocks he knows if he fails his brother gets crushed.

    If skelton gets dropped back to the number 2 or 3 spot again it will give him a good target to throw too at practice and after practice as they both will be fighting for spots.

  66. By AZ_Victor on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Skiptim, Scott –

    RE: DRC Pro Bowl

    It looks like Winfield and Grimes are going to be the replacements look at the link below.

  67. By Voice of Reason on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    True, but Cincy has a high pick this year. They get someone like Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert and Palmer becomes expendable. I think Cincy is further away from being competitive with their talent base (and in their division) than the Cards are.

    Palmer is about the only guy I’d trade our second round pick to get. I’d give a #3 for Orton.

    But as you’ve said already, without a new CBA, there can be no trades.

  68. By D on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply


    Any sighting of agents at the facility to date? I am hoping some players, (Breaston, Deuce and Fitz) will get an effort by Coach Whiz and Mr. Graves to sign before end of the football year??? Or should we wait until after Mobile…

  69. By Darren Urban on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Agents

    Not that I have seen, although many deals are done without an agent coming here.

    This week, football ops are in Mobile.

  70. By jacob on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Why are all these idiots all over Carson Palmer’s junk? You sound like all of the ESPN guys talking this dude up like he’s some kind of good player…Palmer sucks…plain and simple. He went to the playoffs was severely hurt and hasn’t been the same since. He sucked then…..he sucks now…we don’t want him or McNabb. Two old QBs who need to stick with what they have…next year McNabb will be a back up somewhere because Washington doesn’t want him…mainly the coach doesn’t want him. Cardinall nation better hope that we don’t pick up either of these two guys. Young is the best QB out there right now. That’s who we want.

  71. By David C. on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Brad,
    Your theory’s flawed. See: Palmer, Jordan

  72. By Cert 33 on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Dick LaBeau should be priority one if there is any chance of landing him. The first few rounds of the draft should also be handed to him to do as he sees fit for the Defense. Carson Palmer would make an excellent back-up/mentor for Skelton (to replace DA).

  73. By Cert 33 on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    I know this is a bit off-subject, but I have heard a rumour that big John Skelton is a decendant of legendary Texas Ranger/Border Patrolman/Gunfighter/Outdoor writer, “Skeeter” Skelton. Anyone else heard anything?

  74. By drumm-1 on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    @ cardsfans 46 years.. i agree with your post,i like it..Some fans think we should go after every F.A thats comes out, then there are fans like Chuck 1 who thinks no one would come here because we suck so bad, but he has never said anything good about the team.. i think it would hurt him to say anything nice about them.. People keep saying same old cardinals, i say same old fans always (NAGATIVE).. BUT NOT ALL THE FANS. I had to clear that up..

  75. By stevedco on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Most fans support Whiz and the orginization.

    There are a lot of haters on here like Chuck1 who will refuse to ever belive this is a good franchise. He will be like the bloggers on NE blog talking about how bad the Patriots origization is.

    The players believe in this franchise and that is all that matters to me. Look at comments by Fitz, Dockett and Wilson. They would all leave for the right money but they also wouldn’t stay if they believed this orginization had no hope of winning.

  76. By drumm-1 on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Chuck 1… C’MON MAN was on Monday Night Count Down,not sunday pre game show…How can you bash the cardinals when you don’t even know what show you’re watching..With that being said i know you care,thats why you’re every day, and so do i thats why i make comments about the negative fans… I just don’t see how people can be so negative about a team they like/love..

  77. By formerAZresident on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Cards shouldn’t waste their pick on a quarter back, they have to many holes to fill. If they do I would use it to trade for peyton manning.

  78. By Scott H on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Hey, after the season he endured with Anderson at QB for most of the way, Fitz deserves a nice trip to Hawaii. Hope he enjoys it. That said, I think they should just do away with the actual Pro Bowl game altogether. Honestly, it’s become such a joke. And moving it up to take place a week before the Super Bowl is the worst thing they could have done to that game. It stands to reason that the two best teams in the NFL are gonna be loaded with Pro Bowlers, doesn’t it??? Yes, it does. So, now you have all these Packers and Steelers who have to drop out and all these other guys have to be added…enough, already. I say, continue to do the balloting and give the winners the honor of being designated as Pro Bowl players. But skip the game. Not many people even care. If they want to make the Pro Bowl interesting again, they should have it about a month AFTER the Super Bowl. That way, people would be dying for a little football at that point in the year, no matter what it was.

    LeBeau leaving the Steelers and / or coming here as DC? I say there’s NO WAY either one happens. Hey, it would be great, don’t get me wrong. But at his age, why is LeBeau going to leave a team that he will ALWAYS be associated with and that is THE gold standard of the NFL as an organization? He’s going to leave that for the Arizona Cardinals??? And why are the Steelers letting the best DC in the NFL – the guy who creates the best defense in the league every year – walk away and go somewhere else if he still wants to coach in the NFL? That would be a public relations nightmare for them. Hey, again, I’d love to see it, but…I’d say it’s about as likely as Kurt Warner coming out of retirement.

    As for Palmer…hey, after what we just suffered through with Derek Anderson, I’ll come all the way from New Jersey to pick Palmer up at the airport out there myself! I’ll even pay his first month’s rent for an apartment in Glendale if it will prevent McNabb from being a Cardinal! Honestly…from what we have to choose from right now? I gotta put Palmer near the top of the list. IF we’re thinking in terms of someone who can be a mentor for Skelton or someone we might draft this year, you can forget McNabb or Young. McNabb is too selfish and Young is too unstable and immature. With Palmer, you would get a solid QB ( and I said solid – not spectacular ) and a good teacher / mentor as well.

    And, Andrew Pardue – who the hell is Meical Vick??? Spelling, dude…spelling! That would be MICHAEL Vick.

  79. By nrdpmp on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply


    Fitz just gave two fans a trip of life time to the ProBowl via facebook/twitter. I’d love to read an interview that sparked this. Amazing that players still go out of their way for fans. Love it.

  80. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Carson is no better than Anderson. Jeez – get a clue.
    Are we looking to waiste another year on someone that doesn’t know the system and is washed up. Thought we learned our lesson this year. We kept two rookie and a washed up veteran and went from 1st to worst. Sorry I don’t mean to be negative or Nagative, but it is what it is. We had a bad year from some really bad coaching / player personnel decisions. I feel for Whiz : replacing Warner will be tough, but fixing a defense that could not stop a high school team is even harder. Our beloved birds layed an egg this year. I am so looking forward to next season and seeing what changes will come. Hopefully Whiz can right all the wrongs from this season and get us back on the winning track. Whiz is smart and we have good enough player. Now all we need to do is check everyone’s ego at the door, including the coaching staff. I was not impressed with the team this year and it starts at the top. Coach, get your act together and the team will follow !!!!!!! It would be nice to go 6-0 in the division next season and shut up all these loud mouth niner fans that I have to deal with hear in the bay area.

  81. By Chuck 1 on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    To: Cardsfans46; Bingo!!! I’ve said for several months that there is not enough talent (“good players”, as you put it) on the team. As I said earlier on this thread, Kurt also said that “there are many holes to fill”.

    To: drumm-1; Apparently, you disagree with what I posted earlier “The chasm that separates all aspects of the Steelers’ and Cardinals’ franchises was never more evident than yesterday when the Steelers beat the Jets.” But, I didn’t see any specifics regarding the disagreement.

    Let me see what I can post that is “good about the team”;
    Uhhhhhh, ……………….. I’m thinking………………..
    Feeley (sp?) was spectacular.
    A few players made game changing plays e.g. Breaston in the Rams game.
    The Bidwills made a good faith effort to keep Dansby and Rolle.
    How’s that?

  82. By Skiptim on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks for the replies. I wouldn’t normally just reply to thank Darren (I take you for granted), but I am now since you, Victor, went out of your way to kindly reply to my question.

    Thanks fellas.

  83. By Michael on Jan 24, 2011 | Reply

    Hey darren, what’s going on with Fitz contract? We really need to resign this guy! Bigtime! If they don’t then I know all the fans are ganna be really mad!! Including me….I’m a die hard Cards fan! And it really seems to me that signing Fitz is a huge deal to the fans!

  84. By Darren Urban on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply

    Michael —

    RE: Fitz contract

    I think we are in the very, very early stages of talks.

  85. By Eazy E on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply

    Y’all thinkin bout 05 Carson Palmer. He has been highly inconsistent the last 2 years. Anybody would be better than our QBs, so stop comparing that. We had 2 rookies(one in the 5th round and one undrafted), DA was the veteran who needed to revive his career and that didn’t go as planned unfortunately and Bartel used to play for the cowboys and redskins and didn’t expect much from him. McNabb is the #1 option at QB for the Cards and VY is 1A.

  86. By Eazy E on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply

    Fitz deserves it, his numbers aren’t ”Fitz” type numbers in terms of TDs strictly because of Horrible QB play, he still had 90 catches and 1,137 yards receiving and 6 TDs, which is amazing. Thank God Fitz didn’t slap every QB we had except for Bartel who actually threw to Fitz in san fran. I like Butler and Horton, but if we can nab Lebeau, OMGOSH!!! Don’t expect it though unfortunately.

  87. By Greg on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply

    Darren Ive seen a few mock drafts that have az taking blain gabbert with thier top 5 pick but i thin theyre more likely to get a FA QB. My question is who are the other candidates that AZ is looking at? oh an do you think Carolina will still take cam newton in the 1st round?

  88. By Darren Urban on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply

    Greg —

    RE: First round/Carolina

    It’s still too early to know who the Cards might zero in on. We are still a month away from the combine, which really starts the process in earnest.

    As for the Panthers and Carolina, no.

  89. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply

    @Chuck 1,

    Since you asked for a breakdown of your Steeler/Cardinal comparison, here you go.

    #1. Mendenhall was a beast, breaking tackles to gain, probably, 25 yards after first contact. Wells is injured frequently and is fumble prone as is Hightower

    Mendenhall only dressed for four games in his rookie season due to a shoulder injury; In two full seasons Mendenhall has lost five fumbles, Beanie two.

    #2. Pouincey, the Steelers’ ROOKIE center, is going to the Pro Bowl. How much of an impact have the recent Cards’ draft choices made e.g. Williams and Washington? And, how has Levi Brown worked out?

    Pouncey’s a stud, no doubt but both Washington and Williams saw significant playing time this year. How has Levi worked out? A hell of a lot better than Kraig Urbik has.

    #3. The Steelers’ four LBs, Harrison, Woodley, Farrior and ?, are worlds better than Lenon, Hayes, Porter and Washington

    They’ve always been known for their LB’s. That comparison would make just about any team (outside of Baltimore and the NYJ) look bad. You really don’t know who Lawrence Timmons is? Why did you list 3 ILB’s for us?

    #4. Need I mention that Big Ben is headed to the HoF? And, the Cards have ??? as their QB (certainly no HoF QB, or even an adequate QB, on the horizon

    Our Hall of Fame QB just retired, how long did it take Pitt to find another one after Bradshaw retired?

    #5. The Steelers (and Jets) let Faneca go. The Steelers (and Dolphins) let Porter go. Graves and Whiz picked up those two OTH players, presumably because they were Steelers and Whiz was comfortable with them. Meanwhile, the Steelers reloaded with young talented players.

    I think the FO did a pretty good job replacing Rolle this year, and last year CC did very well taking over for Smith. Washington looks very promising as Dansby’s replacement, as does Williams for Robinson. DRC was a big upgrade over Green. Breaston replacing Bryant Johnson, etc. You do remember that Pitt has been on top for a very long time now? It’s not like the Cardinals were anything at all before the Whiz arrived, no matter how many times you like to make it sound like we were.

    I guess we don’t get a reason #6

    #7. The Steelers rookie WRs made several big plays. What ever happened to our rookie WRs who were so highly thought of in the preseason?

    Which game and which ones? Their leading receiver against the Jets had two receptions. Emmanuel Sanders was their leading rookie WR with 28 receptions. Andre Roberts finished with 24. Not that big of a difference. The others were undrafted free agents playing behind Fitz and Breaston. How much time did you expect them to get?

    What a joke to think that Dick LeBeau would ever consider leaving the Steelers to come to the Cards!!

    Seems like a few of their other coaches/coordinators did…

  90. By drumm-1 on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike Ellingboe, thanks for the post.. I really don’t know why Chuck 1 post on this board if he think that badly of the team..

  91. By Dustin D on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe,
    Priceless. Great work man. I say you win this time lol. Sorry little chucky.

  92. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 25, 2011 | Reply


    I get Chuck’s frustration, I don’t think anyone liked watching us go 5-11 this year in the most winnable division of all-time. However, he does need to realize that franchise QB’s aren’t replaced overnight and that even organizations like the Steelers go through ups and downs. What separates them from everyone else is they never make the mistake of playing musical head coaches.

    Another thing for the naysayers to keep in mind; every one of Parcells’ reclamation projects had roller coaster years during his time and he’s generally regarded as the best rebuilder of broken down franchises there is.

    We’re not that far from being back, if we draft Gabbert and manage to get LeBeau on-board we’ll have addressed two major problems right off the bat.

  93. By UC on Jan 26, 2011 | Reply

    The Cardinals 5-11 this year was BECAUSE of the coach, not DESPITE him. Good teams don’t need to fire head coaches when the head coach is making good decisions. If King Whiz hadn’t gotten his contract extended, then Leinart wouldn’t have gotten cut, because King Whiz would have felt some pressure to, you know, actually win games. That one stupid decision screwed this team for the entire season.

    A franchise QB is necessary to win a Super Bowl? Wow, some people really must hold Trent Dilfer in high regard.

  94. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 26, 2011 | Reply


    Dilfer is the one exception to the rule, unless you plan on fielding one of, if not the best, defense of all-time. You must really hold Leinart in high regard if you think cutting him screwed up our season. Be sure to let me know when he lines up a starting job anywhere else (feel free to count the CFL).

    Look at the Steelers history between Bradshaw and Big Ben, look at the up and down records, then look at how many head coaches they’ve had since Chuck Noll.

  95. By UC on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike Ellingboe – The excuses from the Whiz lovers just knows no end. Dilfer was only the most obvious recent example. Though they’re not as bad I could also have said either Eli Manning or Brad Johnson, and Rex Grossman and Jake Delhomme both got to the game even if they didn’t win, so your blanket assertion doesn’t look to me like it holds up to reality. Cutting Leinart AT MINIMUM cost the Cardinals the NFC West Championship and a trip to the playoffs this year, and we ALL know that.

    Do you think DA, who King Whiz proclaimed to be superior to Leinart, is going to have a starting job anywhere next year? Did DA’s performance this season lead you to believe that King Whiz’s assessment of him was correct? No matter how annoying he was, Leinart was quite clearly the best QB on the staff, and it amazes me how many Whiz apologists refuse to acknowledge that.

  96. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply


    What amazes me is how many of Leinart’s lackeys can’t see that he isn’t a starting NFL QB, no matter how many times he proves otherwise. Losing Warner to retirement cost us the division title. Cutting Leinart in place of DA was trading five pennies for a nickel. At “MINIMUM”? You’re really suggesting that Leinart delivers a division title and playoff wins? The only thing he delivered for us this year was Fitz to the injured list.

    Most of the names you could have thrown out at QB for Super Bowl winners are Starr, Namath, Brodie, Unitas, Staubach, Griese, Bradshaw, Stabler, Montana, Simms, Aikman, Young, Elway, Brady, Favre, Warner, Peyton Manning, Brees, Big Ben… – should hold up pretty well as a “blanket” assertion considering two of the three names you came up with (Dilfer, Johnson, Manning) had some pretty impressive performances when they won it all. Brad Johnson threw 22 TD’s to only 6 INT’s during the 2002 regular season; Eli, while having an average regular season, threw 6 TD’s to only 1 pick in the postseason, including one of the most amazing individual efforts ever seen to keep the game alive. So now we’re back to Dilfer.

    Can a team win it all w/o a HOF QB (or at least one that is playing at a very high level)? Thanks to Dilfer we can’t say it’s impossible, but I wouldn’t bet on it. That isn’t going to change this year either, regardless of who wins between Pitt and GB.

  97. By UC on Jan 30, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike Ellingboe

    Leinart’s lackeys? LOL, yes, I’d expect “the same old Cardinals fans” to resort to personal attacks when they can’t logically justify their opinions with facts. Leinart not a starter? Gee, in his last start against Tennessee he had a QB rating of 88.1 without throwing an interception, and without having prepped with the first team AT ALL during the week. I’d take that performance over the joke performances we saw from DA all season long. Besides, you’re only making this argument because your a Whiz Lover, and since King Whiz had a personal problem with Leinart, then you think you have to as well. Maybe you should stop letting King Whiz do your thinking for you. I disliked Leinart’s personality immensely, but unlike you and King Whiz, that didn’t blind me to the fact that he was CLEARLY the best and most qualified QB the Cards had.

    And when did I say anything about playoff wins? Again, if you can’t deal with the arguments in a logical fashion, and instead have to invent straw-man arguments I didn’t say anything about, then butt out of the dialog. If you think the Cards couldn’t have won this pathetic division with Leinart at QB, then I’d suggest you are either delusional, or very, very poorly informed.

    And yes, I’m sure you can cherry-pick good seasons and performances from every QB I named, but that really wasn’t the point, now, was it? But I do like your convenient qualifier, “…most of the names…”, which is the only thing which gives you the basis for the rest of what you said. Again, if you can’t deal with the dialog without interjecting other issues that weren’t mentioned and aren’t relevant, then butt out.

  98. By UC on Jan 30, 2011 | Reply

    Oh, and BTW, your beloved King Whiz’s replacement for Leinart got both Williams and Doucet hurt this season because of poorly-placed throws. So at best, that issue’s a wash. Again, try to keep up with the facts.

  99. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 30, 2011 | Reply


    Then explain what you meant by at MINIMUM?

    Cutting Leinart AT MINIMUM cost the Cardinals the NFC West Championship and a trip to the playoffs this year, and we ALL know that

    If, at “minimum” it cost us a division title you must mean we missed something else as well. What was it if it wasn’t playoff wins?

    Leinart’s lackeys? LOL, yes, I’d expect “the same old Cardinals fans” to resort to personal attacks when they can’t logically justify their opinions with facts.

    Personal attack? Doesn’t sound much different that your, “Besides, you’re only making this argument because your a Whiz Lover.” Yes, in light of the rest of the league seeing that Leinart isn’t a starter I guess that makes everyone in the NFL a Whiz lover as well.

    And yes, I’m sure you can cherry-pick good seasons and performances from every QB I named

    I picked two, with the seasons they had when they won it all. Kind of relevant to winning a Super Bowl.

    I disliked Leinart’s personality immensely, but unlike you and King Whiz, that didn’t blind me to the fact that he was CLEARLY the best and most qualified QB the Cards had

    What are you basing that statement on? The fact that he had and lost the starting job on two different occasions and couldn’t lead the offense to a single first down until three games into the preseason, and had to do it against a second string defense?

    DA was awful, you’ve never heard me argue that but knowing Leinart lost a starting job to the worst starting QB in the league and never made it past Houston’s third-string should be ample evidence, even to you, that he’s not a starting QB. Otherwise, “then I’d suggest you are either delusional, or very, very poorly informed.”

  100. By UC on Jan 31, 2011 | Reply

    @ Mike Ellingboe-

    Did I say that at a minimum they would have won a playoff game? No I didn’t, that’s something you invented. What I did was suggest that they might have, since in any game that’s ever played in the NFL, the understood reality is that either team might win the game. I’m surprised that’s news to you.

    In some respects, I hope you Whiz Lovers will forever continue to have and use the argument that Leinart never started anywhere else, as if that’s some kind of proof that he wasn’t the best QB on this team at that time. Yes, Leinart was underwhelming during preseason because he was obviously playing it safe, and DA looked great. (Why Leinart was playing it safe is certainly open for conjecture, but I don’t want to confuse you by introducing another subject.) Funny how DA’s preseason performance mostly stayed in the preseason, though, whereas the last time Leinart played in a game that mattered, he did an acceptable job. Gee, maybe the preseason doesn’t matter all that much to all players? I mean, it was only Brian Urlacher who commented on how much slower players play during the preseason, and what would he know?

    But of course, no competent head coach would EVER consider that possibility, so OF COURSE King Whiz made his decision to replace Leinart based only on objective standards. Oh, wait, King Whiz had a poorly-concealed contempt for Leinart, so maybe that contempt influenced his decision? Well, no, it couldn’t have been that, it’s obviously that Leinart’s performance LOST him the job, it wasn’t that the job was unfoundedly taken away by a head coach that despised him. Yeah, that MUST be it, since no head coach who’s just signed a contract extension and who has a history of favoring players he likes and alienating players he doesn’t like would ever make a decision he thought would only have short-term consequences. No, that would NEVER happen.

    But feel free to proffer more excuses for King Whiz, you same old Cardinals fans seem to have no end of them.

  101. By UC on Jan 31, 2011 | Reply

    @ Mike Ellingboe-

    Sorry, I just realized I didn’t address one of your complaints. You stated that, “franchise QB’s aren’t replaced overnight”, and I replied that franchise QBs aren’t necessary at all to get to and/or win a Super Bowl, and provided recent examples of such. You responded with a list of (I believe) all Hall of Famers who won the Super Bowl, and then cherry-picked good seasons had by players that I listed who I certainly would not consider to be “franchise QBs”. Since, obviously, a good season does not a franchise QB make. I didn’t say franchise QBs don’t frequently win Super Bowls, I simply provided recent examples of it not being necessary. But hey, don’t let little things like facts interfere with your defense of King Whiz.

  102. By Mike Ellingboe on Feb 1, 2011 | Reply


    The only thing that confuses me is how convoluted your thought process is. The last thing I do wonder about with the Whiz bashers/Leinart supporters is how you keep beating the Whiz didn’t like him drum. Last year was his fourth training camp with us, he didn’t seek a replacement for him during the off-season, and he was lined up for the starting job on two different occasions.

    I’m sure your response to that will be as off-track as everything else. BTW, if everyone is playing that slow in the preseason doesn’t that make Leinart’s lack of success look that much worse?

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