Doing work, just not here

Posted by Darren Urban on May 5, 2011 – 5:06 pm

As I noted a few weeks ago, some Cardinals players (and some guys from other teams) continue to work out over at Arizona State trying to stay in shape, with Larry Fitzgerald’s power as the Pied Piper in full effect. This week, Donovan McNabb happens to be there, which caused a stir (unfortunately for me). But as you can see in this NFL Network piece (nice catch, Andre Roberts!), the work goes on.

How much it makes a difference won’t be known for a while, because everything is up in the air. I’m pretty sure strength and conditioning coach John Lott is counting on guys to be in shape whenever he sees them next.

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  1. By Kurt on May 5, 2011 | Reply

    I wonder if McNabb will propose something similar to the FA Andre Dawson Chicago Cubs, fill in the blank contract. If Andrew knew what was good for the cubs, maybe Donovan knows whats good for the Cardinals.

  2. By Javi on May 5, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, I WANT MCNABB!!!! WE need mcnabb will we get him !!! oh and God bless!

  3. By JJ on May 5, 2011 | Reply

    Not too sure if we want Mcnabb…. Cards need to pursue Kolb or paulmer first before thinking about going down the McNabb road.

  4. By Arli$$ (notArless) StandsUp on May 5, 2011 | Reply

    Noticed that Warren Sapp played the part and stated McNabb would be the best option at QB in the link you provided.
    Tried to slow down the video, Zapruder style, but unless Kerry Rhodes, ADub, Dockett, Levi Brown, Joey Porter and Reggie Hadnot and the rest of the workout bonus babies were hiding in the gassy bowels or the fifth story press box, those guys are, at least only temporarily, interested in CYA.
    Darrell, just by looking at the video, how many players (other than Fitz and Roberts) could you identify?

  5. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Arli$$ —

    RE; Workout video

    Isiah Williams was the only one I could tell for sure.

  6. By darrenisawesome on May 5, 2011 | Reply

    You have said before that you are positive Mcnabb will not be joining us in the desert this fall, I am fine with that. However, unless the management has gone off the deep end, we will see a new QB behind center shortly after the lockout is lifted. Who do you see as the best possibility?

  7. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    DIA —

    RE: Best QB possibility

    In my opinion, right now, it’s Kolb or Bulger.

  8. By Chris on May 5, 2011 | Reply

    What is this I hear that the reason the Cards drafted Peterson was to trade DRC AND a first round draft pick to the Eagles for Kolb? Darren, have you heard this? Sounds like a very stupid idea. You dont finally get the perfect combination of corners and trade one away.

  9. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Chris —

    RE: Trading CBs

    The only place I have heard it is from frantic fans.

  10. By R Robles on May 5, 2011 | Reply

    Darren name top 5 free agents we may be looking at when free agency starts. No Cardinal players

  11. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    R Robles —

    RE: FAs

    No idea. Don’t even know who will be FAs until labor situation is sorted out.

  12. By bluepitt on May 5, 2011 | Reply

    Hay, if we all chant Mc Crabb maby Darren will offer him a contract?
    What do ya say Darren?

  13. By Eazy E on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    McNabb whether people want to admit it or not, is our best option. He’s better than an unproven Kolb, retired Bulger, Hasselbeck, etc by miles. He makes us super bowl contenders in the NFC.

  14. By nor cal cards fan on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Urb-Who have u heard we are trading to get Kolb?

  15. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Nor Cal —

    RE: Kolb trade

    I think it will be a pick or picks.

  16. By UKCardsfan on May 6, 2011 | Reply


    Loving your work on the website, don’t think we could be better served by anyone else.

    But I’m missing the dulcet tones of Pauly pigskin and the gutteral ramblings of the wolf

    Any Cardinals Underground Podcasts in the pipeline ?

  17. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    UKCardsfan —

    RE: Podcast

    We are working on it.

  18. By Louisville Card on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    I asked in an earlier post if Fitz might ask some potential free agents to come workout with us and I was wondering if this might be one of those cases or am i reading to much into this. Do you think there might be a potential for any of the other qb’s to come workout as well? and if they do is there a potential for tampering with the current labor situation?

  19. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Louisville —

    RE: QB work

    The organization has to acquire a guy, not Fitz. So Fitz can work with whomever, but if the team doesn’t get a guy, it’s a moot point.

    McNabb isn’t coming here. He lives here and Fitz needs QB arms to work with all the receivers he has coming out. It’s convenience, not a Cards’ foreshadowing.

  20. By Pat on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t understand the McNabb obsession from a lot of fellow fans. Here we have a QB entering his 13th season and has been with 2 different teams in the last 2 years- neither of which resulted in an amiable departure from either team. Why would we want a guy coming from a completely different system, with only 2 or 3 years left AT MOST in his tank? It makes no sense to me. If we wanted to reach out and bring in a veteran QB, Carson Palmer would be the guy we get. Pocket passer, younger than McNabb, and still talented despite being surrounded by a cancerous locker room environment year-in, year-out.

    With that being said, I’m fine with the decision of grooming a long-term QB from the draft. I think Skelton will be fine as long as we can get consistent pass blocking from the o-line and establish a running game to take some of the pressure off of him.

  21. By Jeff Gollin on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Darren – You’re there/we fans aren’t. So what’s true?

    You hear a lot of stuff from national teevee guys like Baldinger and Charles Davis about how these informal practices cannot replicate official team workout sessions because the latter is overseen by a coaching staff that pushes each player to make the practice time “perfect.”

    Is this true? What is to prevent Larry F and other leaders to invest some of their excess drachma to being in ex-coaches, college or HS coaches and trainers to conduct practices the way they’re to be run? And (assuming they take out or extend private insurance policies) why shouldn’t they be able to execute those practices at a high level of intensity and perfection?

    Finally, can you speak to the value of having our rookies (like Peterson, and Sampson) go one on one in informal practices with Larry F, DRC etc.? Can they learn a lot about both the speed and nuances of routes, covering and beating coverage? What about playbook and film study?

    In short – Can these practices be valuable? Do our guys conduct these informal practices as well as other NFL teams?

  22. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Jeff —

    RE: Workouts

    Bottom line, the team can’t direct any of these workouts. Beyond that, it’s out of the league’s or the team’s control with whatever Fitz and his group want to do. For instance, former Cards assistant coach Jerry Sullivan was out at some workouts earlier this offseason. It’s up to them.

    Sure, if rookies show up, they get something out of it. These informal workouts don’t happen in a “normal” offseason — there are plenty of ones the players already attend — but given the circumstances, something is better than nothing, I’d think.

  23. By D on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Orton is the QB-he is only 28 and has had success in this league-thrown over 3k yards a few seasons, is smart and accurate- what has Kolb done that comes close to this? I think Philly is trying to pull one over on qb needy teams..Kolb has only started 3 more games than Skelton-think about that when hearing the compensation wanted….

  24. By BMH on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    McNabb fan’s need to get over him…he’s to old…yes he lives here but doesn’t mean he will play here. We need a guy that is considered a “franchise” QB. McNabb was that for teh eagles and not going to be a good era for him to start here…we need youth…pick up a younger FA or Trade for Kolb.

    Eventually this Lockout will End….or will it???


  25. By Peter in Canada on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Darren – I don’t understand why you are so anti Vince Young. He has a lot going for him in that he is young(no pun intended), he had a winning record with a mediocre Titan team, he is mobile and he would likely come cheaper than Kolb who seems to me to be an inferior QB to Young.

    I understand he has problems but that seems to be nothing more than a clash of personalities with his coach who seemed to lack faith in him. His problems were far less severe than Vick or Roethlisberger or Ray Lewis to name a few so why such negativity?

  26. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Peter in Canada —

    RE: VY

    1) His problems are different than Vick/ Big Ben. Here’s the issue, though. Most of VY’s problems manifest themselves either on the field/during games or in the locker room. For all the issues Ben or Vick have had, they haven’t let them affect their work.
    2) VY is not as good as Vick or Big Ben. Period. He’s won a few games, but it is easy to argue the defense and running game propped up VY rather than the other way around.
    3) Unless he has miraculously matured, I have no reason to believe he will be any better here than Tennessee. He cannot handle adversity. Period. When things go bad, he pouts or goes into a shell. And in the NFL, there will be adversity.
    4) To me, Fisher and Whisenhunt are very much alike. I agree, there was a clash of personalities with Fisher. I’d also argue that the way VY handles things, there would be a clash with almost every head coach in the NFL.
    5) Whiz already had issues with one QB who didn’t handle adversity well and we know how that turned out. And I think VY is much worse with how he deals with things than Leinart ever was.

  27. By Peter in Canada on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Darren – Your points are well taken and thanks for your thoughtful reply. He is not as good as Ben or Vick but the running game/defence was the same one that got them 0-6 under Collins. However he has shown more than Kolb and if he comes cheap why not take a flier and stress that he is entering the last chance saloon. It is possible that a change of scenery will make a difference. After all the NFL is a leage of second and third chances if a guy can play.

  28. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Peter —

    RE: More VY

    You too make decent points. Ultimately, however, you have to believe the guy will actually pay off if given a second chance. I do not think he will, and I don’t think the Cards do either (in fact, I think it’s going to be harder than Young thinks to get that second chance; I think he will be in close to the same boat as Leinart). He would come cheap. But I think the Cards feel there are better/smarter options.

  29. By bluepitt on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Im going to crack up if Leinart goes to the

  30. By Gang6230 on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren there’s apiece on NFL website that the cards have reached out to the broncos asking bout orton. Heard anything on that ??

  31. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Gang6230 —

    RE: Orton “reach”

    Doubt it given teams can’t talk about such things right now.

  32. By John the draft guy on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Well put about VY. The only thing that runs through my head is, what if we do go with VY and he is a disaster? Another horrible year. I think the cards need to play it safe. That’s why, (I’m guessing), they passed on Mallett.

    I really can’t wait till this lockout is done and the speculation ends. Just saw where the cards contacted Denver regarding a trade for Orton. Before that, Warner was saying the best fit is Palmer , which sparked people saying, does Kurt know something. Of course, Kolb is an easy one to speculate since many teams took QB’s early in this draft except the cards and skins (and I cant see Kolb going to the skins like McNabb). We’ve got Bulger all but signed here during draft weekend, which seems like a good 2-3 year fix. Finally, our loyalist want to just let Skelton take over. Everyone gives their lineup of who should be considered first (although he wont be traded, I favor Palmer). This speculation must end. And I Love Speculation. Someone give in and sign this CBA stuff and let us know who our QB is.

    Then we all could criticize the choice Whiz made 🙂

  33. By cody on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, are teams allowed to discuss trades during the lockout? These QB trade rumors have me curious as to whether its even legal to have a deal set up before the lockout is lifted.

  34. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Cody —

    RE: Talks

    Just posted about it:

  35. By drummer-1 on May 6, 2011 | Reply


    You mentioned VY and Leinart couldn’t handle adversity, but our fans blame VY, not giving Fisher any of the blame, but with Whiz and Leinart the fans blame Whiz, I don’t understand the dislike for Whiz..

  36. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Drummer —

    RE: Leinart/Whiz

    I don’t know if it’s that black-and-white pro-Leinart. The other thing is that fans are angry about how the season unfolded, not knowing (and never knowing) how Leinart would have fared.

  37. By sport245245 on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Re all the negative comments about McNabb, Many of these same comments were made about Kurt Warner when he was signed here. Furthermore, what have you seen from Kolb that has you so infatuated. I don’t get it.

  38. By Scott H on May 6, 2011 | Reply


    While I get your comparison of the GENERAL SITUATIONS of Warner in the recent past and McNabb in the present, I see NO comparison at all between Warner and McNabb in regard to talent and skill. Kurt Warner has reached levels of greatness that McNabb never will. And overall post-season performance is where Warner just blows McNabb into the weeds. I do not see McNabb having the kind of late-career return to greatness that Warner had.

  39. By Tyrelle on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Are the Cardinals going to trade Patrick Peterson?

  40. By Darren Urban on May 6, 2011 | Reply

    Tyrelle —

    RE: Peterson trade


  41. By Card die hard fan on May 11, 2011 | Reply


    i don’t care how telanted quarterback is but as long as card make it to superbowl that what matter.

  42. By Card die hard fan on May 11, 2011 | Reply

    pls don’t trade any player and find the right quarterback period.

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