With Zastudil ailing, Graham returns

Posted by Darren Urban on October 5, 2011 – 10:27 am

The Cardinals have brought punter Ben Graham back, although it’s because the man who replaced him, Dave Zastudil, is suffering from some inflammation of the knee that cropped up late in the Giants’ game. The Cards want to make sure they have a healthy punter available this week in case Zastudil can’t go.

Zastudil’s issues Sunday were well-chronicled — his final punt was a line-drive 40-yarder that was returned 18 yards, helping set up the Giants’ game-winning drive, although his knee (the Cards didn’t say which) may have been bothering him by then. Zastudil did have his right knee surgically repaired during the 2009 season and he ended up missing all of the 2010 season because it wasn’t quite ready (leading to his leaving his howmtown Browns). Zastudil averaged 45 yards a kick Sunday and is averaging 44.5 yards for the season (with a 36.0 net average).

Graham was released in final cuts in favor of Zastudil, who had been signed late in training camp. To make room for Graham, the Cardinals released cornerback Korey Lindsey, who was re-signed to the practice squad. To make room there, the Cards released safety Mark LeGree.

I know many have been hoping Graham would come back. But this figures to be short-term until Zastudil’s return to health. I’m sure we will have a chance to catch up with Ben after practice (as well as coach Ken Whisenhunt). We can hear Graham’s thoughts on the business of the NFL.

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61 Responses to “With Zastudil ailing, Graham returns”

  1. By CardinalMOE on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Darin,,,,would Louis Murphy wr from Oakland Raiders be a better deep threat opposite Larry Fitzgerald, Would the Cardinals consider a trade?

  2. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    CardinalMOE —

    RE: WR trade

    I don’t see them making another trade, especially since they have already dealt their second-round pick for Kolb.

  3. By wayne on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    He never should have been released anyway!

  4. By Jason on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    I’m curious to find out why we let him go in the first place. I thought out of 200+ punts only 12 of them being touch backs or outside of the 20 was a good thing?! C

  5. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Oh yeah I forgot, we gave up a 2nd round pick along with DRC, even tho a 2nd is all Kolb is worth, smh…

  6. By jocards on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    So we have a familiar punter back with the team, great. Huge concern alleviated there! I’ve seen a lot of posts pining for a #2 WR and I’d agree the team could use one but there is no way you’re going to bring Randy Moss into a losing situation and expect him and be productive and to be a good teammate. Come on, if you’re the least bit familiar with his career you should realize this is not what Moss does. T.O.? He is a distraction first, a productive WR second. On a bad football team his presence is likely to be a disaster. At any rate a roster move here or there is not going to change one fact; the Cardinals do one thing exceedingly well, they lose. Four games into the season and they sit at 1-3. They came within a few yards of being 0-4. To make matters worse they COULD’VE won any or all of their games but this is what separates the good teams from the bad teams in the NFL…the good teams win the games they have an opportunity to win, the Cardinals far more often than not lose them. Bad calls, bad plays, bad luck, whatever…this is a bad football team once again.

  7. By wnycardfan on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Sounds good to me, at least compared to what we’ve seen so far of the new punter.

  8. By CardsRepInChile on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply


    I saw the reason why the brought Zastudil in, to put pressure on Graham, and wasn’t upset (although a little caught off guard) when they released Graham, but understood the reasoning – wanted a deep kicker. No more short + flat kicks, but unfortunately we have seen a few of those from Zastudil. Graham averaged 43.4 last season, so pretty similar as far as average production. The other positive that Graham brings is his accuracy and holding.

    I don’t want to make a big deal out of it, but have you noticed a lack of chemistry between Zastudil holding for Feely that could have been responsible for a miss or two, or do you think these were just misses on Feely’s part?


  9. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    CardsRep —

    RE: Holds

    No way to know.

  10. By MIKE G on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren—Im glad Graham is back. Do you think he could stick if he has a big game against the Vikes on Sunday????

  11. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: Graham

    As I noted in the post, I expect this to be short term.

  12. By John S on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Well, you know “many have been hoping Graham would come back” because its very obvious its is one of the dumbest things the Cards did this season. I, like everyone else, was baffled by this. Unless my memory is gone, the 3 and out Cards had alot of punts last season and I remember most of his punts always being tremendous and putting the other team near their own goal line.

  13. By cheesebeef on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply


    What makes you think it’s short-term? Is it because Zastudil has actually played well or is it because actually bringing Graham back would mean admitting a mistake, something this team is LOATHE to do (see Levi Brown, Brandon Keith, Joey Porter all still not only starting, but having NO ONE brought in to even challenge them even though they’re all pretty much amongst the worse players in the league at their respective positions).


  14. By Alan on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    I always liked Graham. Hope he pins the Vikes deep whenever he is needed and makes it hard for the Cards not to reconsider him!!!!

  15. By freddie on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    I bet feely is happy. Should of never cut graham in the first place.

  16. By Peter in Canada on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    I must agree with the majority of posters on this one. I couldn’t see the reason for dropping Graham in favour of Zastudil. Zastudil hasn’t shown me anything so far that Graham didn’t do as well or better. I also agree it’s funny how Feeley struggles began when Zastudil became the holder but as Darren says maybe it is co-incidence.

    I am disappointed in Roberts also. He seemed to have improved over the second half of last year but appears to have regressed. I also agree with Darren that T.O. and Moss if healthy and available would not be the answer on this team. I think it needs to be addressed soon however.

  17. By Trent on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    I think that Matt Dodge may come play for the Cardinals, he is young, strong leg, directional punting, and has the potential to improve over time. He has a

    Punts 72
    Punt Yards 3,222
    Punting Yard Average 44.8
    Long 69

  18. By cardsalltheway on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    If you can have 5 TE’s on a team, why not 2 punters. HIs “body of work” included an injury but Ken W. didn’t care.

  19. By Brad Oneillbra on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    I am so sick of the this is what separates the good from the bad argument. You know what bad things happen on occasion, losing 3 games by a total of 8 points does not mean you are a bad team. it means you are a competitive team which is a huge improvement over last year. yes we had some close ones slip away last year but for the most part we wee lucky to be close.

    There has been improvement, and it will continue so quit crying about what losers your team is and start appreciating just how close they are coming, they will break through and when they do we will all cheer loudly as everyone appreciates the character necessary to overcome all the crap a team in the midst of a painful period has to overcome.

  20. By UC on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    What a great opportunity to revisit yet another of Kenny’s brilliant personnel moves.

    Graham’s 2010 stats as seen here:

    Avg: 43.4 yards
    Net Avg: 36.6 yards

    Zastudil’s stats this year as seen here:

    Avg: 44.5 yards
    Net Avg: 36.1 yards

    So Kenny gave up a punter who last season averaged 1.1 yards less per punt than the new guy this year, but 0.5 yards MORE after subtracting the punt returns. Even if one (i.e., Kenny) were to use the excuse that Zastudil is just having a poor start, his stats this year aren’t that much different than his career stats.

    But these aren’t even the most important considerations. Even disregarding the importance of the fact that Graham was Feely’s holder on kicks, the NFL website doesn’t show either what percentage of punts landed inside the 20 yard line, or what percentage of punts were touchbacks.

    During his time as a Cardinal, 39% OF GRAHAM’S PUNTS LANDED INSIDE THE 20 YARD LINE!!!!! That’s 39 freaking percent, more than 1 in 3!!!! Considering that only 6% of Graham’s punts as a Cardinal were too far and resulted in touchbacks, and it becomes obvious just how good Graham actually was at playing catch with the team’s gunners while punting during games.

    Now contrast this with Zastudil’s numbers from his last three full seasons before he joined the Cards. These numbers are better than his overall career stats, and so are presumably the excuses Kenny used to hire Zastudil and cut Graham. Over his last three seasons, Zastudil’s inside the 20 percentage is 35.84%, and his touchback percentage is 9.83%. So, over his last three seasons, not only was Zastudil less likely to land kicks inside the 20, but he was also more likely to punt the ball too far and have it result in a touchback.

    Isn’t Kenny an engineer? Aren’t engineers supposed to be able to do math? Or is this another instance where Kenny trots out his “I’m cutting Matt Leinart ’cause stats don’t matter” excuse? Not, you know, that Kenny would have gotten rid of a competent, well-liked, popular player for any petty, personal reason. ‘Cause we all know Kenny would NEVER do something like that, he’s just not that kind of person.

    Wink, wink.


  21. By BIG RED on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Hey, Cheesebeef you forgot to included Kevin Kolb.

  22. By dieselbomb on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Great to have Graham back – Didn’t like that he was cut. Sometimes the difference of a yard or two in a performance average is a good reason to make a change; but I didn’t think cutting Graham was the answer. I thought Graham’s presence had its own positive intangible.

  23. By Brandon LA on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Welcome back mate! How ya goin’

  24. By BIIRDISTHEWORD on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply


  25. By cards62 on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    I do not care what is wrong with Z. He can keep the blue flu for all I care and let Graham keep punting.

    UC – you stat machine I will even add more fuel to the fire. Go back and watch either our 2nd or 3rd preseason game and we had another punter I think maybe his name is Epperson and he out kick Graham that day and was cut shortly thereafter.
    You talk about strange we kept the 3rd best punter who was in camp. I am not saying we should have kept Epperson, but we should have let him keep competing with Graham.

    Go Cards beat the Vikings

  26. By TucsonTim on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Staying with the special teams theme. Why is Doucet on the kick off team? Is he a better tackler than our DBs, or do we just want to see how durable he is?

  27. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    RE: Doucet

    That’s what backup wide receivers do, play special teams. When you aren’t a return guy, you better be able to cover.

  28. By Steve Lee on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Right on. Graham is better anyway. Now Graves should trade Feely for Rackers.

    What’s with all the hamstring injuries? Don’t these guys stretch properly?

  29. By TucsonTim on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Zastudil is another T.J. McCreight Cleveland and Baltimore connection.

  30. By TucsonTim on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Looking at the stats, I thought Doucet was our #2 receiver.

  31. By Darren Urban on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    RE: Doucet

    He might as well be. But Roberts is a return man. Breaston was a return man. Unless you are more of a 1A (a la Anquan), the receivers need to be making a special teams impact.

  32. By AndyStandsUp on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Personally, I glad Graham is back and hopefully will do well if given the chance to play.

    Now when do the Cards bring Gerald Hayes back?

  33. By clssylssy on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    GREAT NEWS! Thrilled to have Graham back. Why does everyone have the idea that Coach Whisenhunt is responsible for all the roster changes, cuts, additions, etc. He’s not the guy who signs the paycheck so obviously isn’t the final say…what does Rod Graves do? Just saying…there are a lot of personnel that apparently aren’t responsible for anything, including the owner, if all our issues are Coach Whisenhunts doing.

  34. By Scott H on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Yep, this pretty much says it all about how this team is doing things these days…we get rid of a VERY good punter for a punter that everyone seems to know is not gonna be as good as Graham ( well, everyone except the people making our personnel decisions, that is )…the punter we all knew was not gonna be as good as Graham gets hurt….so, we bring back Graham…and when the punter we all knew was not gonna be as good as Graham is well again, we’ll probably cut Graham again. Everyone follow that? Anyone disagree that this is what will most likely play out?

    Gee, maybe we can cut Kolb, too, and bring back Derek Anderson…

  35. By Frithy on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Thank god, Ben Graham is a far better punter.
    He could kick 80 meters when he was in the AFL!
    Not to mention I suspect Zastudil is the cause of Feely’s misses.

  36. By CNelson on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    Lol i see now im not the only one getting fed up reading comments from idiots claimimg to “real” cardinals fans yet they are bashing the team and head coach as if we have EVER had a better one… K. Whiz is the best coach we will probably EVER HAVE, and if you truly think the SB trip was the All Warrner Show, either go back and watch some tape b4 he came to arizona and then some tape AFTER Whiz and HIS staff corrected some of his major issues, or simply ask warrner…. But i know you all are to much of a kitty cat to actualy do something to prove how moronic your comments are.

    To any other fans like myself that are tired of the retards….. Just ignore them… The only reason the are doing it is that they want the attention.
    Ive read a handful of comments that are from actuall cardinals football fans with knowlage of the history and the game and they make sence and have good points, but also still realize we are close and the team needs time and paitence and like myself. Would like to bid all the non-supporters adue and wait for what we know is on its way. A good football team with the experiance and heart to get us back to the playoffs and maybe even the SB. Its ao obvious watching kolb he is basicly a 4th year rookie and spend the majority of that time learing a diff system and style of play then what we need from him. The fact on one play he looks spectacular then the next can look like hes totaly lost is exactly what you expect to see from someone that doesnt know what hes looking for when its X defence called against X play, becauae it was repped for the Z defence…. And the throwing out of bounds is a treat of a VERY smart QB and ia exactly what you see when they are learning on the fly. In philly their style of play asks the QB to get out of the pocket and make playa if the read isnt there, he is still learning and trying to understand thw concept of waiting for the reciver to open back up in our TRUE progression based passing attack. Warrner went threw the same adjustment as Kolb is and anyone that thinks differently is sadly mistaken.

    Go Cards!, I will always be behind you!

  37. By Chuck 1 on Oct 5, 2011 | Reply

    The personnel moves that Graves, Keim and Whiz make are baffling i.e. players drafted, FAs signed, players released or let go through Free Agency and players that start.

    Oh, well. 5-11 or 6-10 here “we” come.

  38. By Eric randall on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    sign Terrell Owens

  39. By JohnfromOz on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    About bloody time Big Ben was brought back. Better punter, better stats, better leader and above all an ex-Cat!
    If your head coach has any sense he will retain Ben rather than risking holding onto a punter with a dodgy knee and less penetration.

  40. By cardsalltheway on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    I wonder whether Graham is an American citizen. I think not, so the Cards likely have to support his Visa. Darren once said it’s not about salary as to why Graham was let go so maybe it’s a citizenship/visa sponsorship issue. Graham may have had about 30 days to leave America from when he dumbfoundedly got sandbagged but Ken W. brought him back just in time.

  41. By Garrett on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    “Trent” is full of it

  42. By cardsalltheway on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    “and they make sence”
    Did you mean cents?
    Soon after your “retards” comment I lost you, drunken posting?

  43. By CNelson on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Lol was writing wile taking care of my 1yr old son and isnt always easy to re-pick up my train of thought. And im a horrible speller — ^.^

  44. By Ronny on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply


    Matt Dodge is good punter, could you punt 70 yds? I dont think so

  45. By UC on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren, great job on posting a comment from someone who refers to those they disagree with as “retards”. I guess bigotry is just not big a deal to you when you’re busy trying to cover for Kenny, right?

    I wonder how many organizations in the country that work with disabled people would be interested in knowing what an employee of the Arizona Cardinals is willing to post on the Cardinals official website…

  46. By nodavis2000 on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    @Chuck 1,

    Please do us all a favor and stop posting some comments. I’m sure no one cares or wants to hear about your opinions or thoughts.

    To prove how much you DON’T know about this team. To list a few players drafted and signed through FA.

    Fitzgerald – Draft
    Adrian Wilson – Draft
    Kurt Wanter – FA
    Kevin Kolb – FA
    Beanie Wells – Draft
    Darnell Dockett – Draft
    C Campbell – Draft
    Todd Heap – FA
    Jeff King – FA
    Antrelle Rolle – Draft (But he decided to leave)
    Anquan Boldin – Draft (He wanted to leave because he wasn’t the #1 receiver.)

    WOW. All of those BIG names, and they were just off the top of my head of the recent years, were not good draft choices or good grabs in Free Agency. Man … you are SO right. … … (silence with crickets chirping)

  47. By nodavis2000 on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    LMBO, Oops!!!
    Kurt WARNER – FA

  48. By drummer-1 on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren, hope your day is good..

    Fans post on here everyday about the FO, Whiz and some players, calling them stupid, ignorant, selfish, dumb and don’t know what they’re doing. Why is it ok for them say that, but once someone call SOME fans ***** they get all up in arms..They don’t like when the shoe is on the other foot…

    Good post Cnelson..

  49. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Everyone —

    RE: Language

    I’ll tell you what: Everyone could actually keep their posts clean of anything offensive and then no one has to worry about it. I’m pretty sure people can be critical of the team, players, coaches, front office or other posters and actually sound intelligent doing it. Some already do. (It wouldn’t be bad to actually spell correctly and use proper grammar either. To not do so tends to limit credibility).

    But in deference to UtahCard, my new rule is this: You use a derogatory phrase toward anyone, I’m just going to delete the post. You want to say someone doesn’t know what they are doing/talking about — whether that be me, Ken Whisenhunt, or a fellow poster — fine. You want to underscore it by calling them a moron or something worse, don’t bother. No one will ever see it.

  50. By CNelson on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Lol so in other words you would like us to stay way from the monololovic terms for people? Fine with me i was just fed up reading people slam you and our coach/team for reasons that are un-justified. If you want an apology then ok im sry. But, i stand by the thought of wanting to read constuctive criticizum (god i wish my ipod had spell check) from educated sources.

  51. By CNelson on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Ugh ….. Monosolovic …. Guess im gonna have to stop using this thing to post!

  52. By UC on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Oh grow up Darren, your rule isn’t in deference to me, it’s to cover your own lapse of judgment. The problem isn’t that CNelson called people names, if he had said those who disagree with him are stupid or morons or whatever, it wouldn’t matter. The problem is that he used a slur. If he had used a racial or religious slur, would you have posted it? Of course not, because it’s not acceptable, and because you’d probably catch hell from your boss for doing it. So why is him using a developmental slur any different, especially when the group of people who are being slurred are literally incapable of defending themselves?

    If you want to create some kindergarten rule about language on this board just to cover your own indifference to a terribly unfortunate class of people, that’s on you, do whatever you want. But don’t try to blame it on me.

  53. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    UC —

    RE: Rules

    I find it interesting the person telling me to grow up likes to berate and insult the head coach of an NFL team over and over via the internet and then use all caps to “yell” at the owner.

  54. By cards62 on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Lighten up UC and Charles Nelson Riley this is just football. This is not a sight talking about war, crime, poverty, or politics. I get enough of that every day so like most people I come on this sight for fun and to escape a little.

    Fans can say what they like about the team and organization.
    Fans can bitch. (Sure hope no female dogs oops I mean canines are offended.
    Fans can pretend to be the head coach.
    Fans can pretend to be the GM.
    Fans can pretend to be the owner.
    We love our Cardinals and just want them to play well and win, and when they blow a game or not sign a player we do get angry and like to bounce our thoughts off of each other, and sometimes we are wrong including me but we like to talk about it.

    Do I want Whisenhunt fired right now. No but I understand where some fans are coming from. Do I think Ken W. is the greatest Cardinal coach of all time – No. I am still trying to figure this cat out to be honest with you. Do I hate the Bidwills – No but I understand where fans especially long time fans are coming from. I really think the son wants to win the title for his dad plus I also follow the Bengals and the Bidwills are joys compared to the Brown Children that run the Bengals Organization. Do I hate Rod Graves – No and I know he has tried his best, but my personal opinion is he has not done a good job since Denny G. left and if the team does not rebound this year I would fire him after the season. Just my opinion but there was no reason for this team to suffer like it has in a weak division.

    Can we please quit saying a real cardinal fan is this way or that way and if you are not you are a bandwagon fan or you need to leave the website and burn your Cardinal gear.Guys I am married and she still allows me to have a Cardinal bathroom in Tennessee. (No trailer jokes please) I agree we have some sour people on here, but that is their choice and they are very few, and we can even learn somethings from them or we can choose not to respond to their posts. A real Cardinal fan just loves the Cardinals and roots for them to win and hopefully they will win a superbowl before any of us but especially me dies.
    You see death now that is some serious stuff, but Cardinal football well it is just a hobby of ours.

    Darren we do appreciate all that you do for us on this message board and the great majority of us respect your knowledge and opinion on the team very much. You do not have to always agree with our position and we do not always have to agree with yours but the great majority of us do appreciate your many articles, discussing football with you, discussing our disagreements with you and hearing your thoughts on why you think we are wrong.

    Go Cards beat the Vikings

  55. By CNelson on Oct 7, 2011 | Reply

    Now thats what im talkimg about, well thouht out xonsrructive criticizem, i dont mind people being unhappy and wanting better for our players/team. Just the unjustified ranting that bash everyone, dqrren included, over anything THEY think is wrong. I did apologise for my comments and am a big enough person to admit when im wrong, and if even if people wanna attach me idc and will just ignore it, i shouldnt have said what i sis period. So back to what matters,….

    Thanl You for everything you do Darren!!

    Go Cardinals! Good luck this weekend guys!!!!!!!!

  56. By Scott H on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Darren –

    Well said. I know my posts have been terribly negative as of late. Sorry to say, that’s just how I feel but you are right for asking everyone to be civil and to stay within certain boundaries.

  57. By UC on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply


    LOL, and your dissembling addresses the issue how? I did notice you changed CNelson’s post though, so I’m guessing that must sting, and so you’re lashing out. But in the future, before you further deride making use of the internet, you might remember that it’s the thing which is currently providing you with your living.

    Grow up, indeed.

  58. By UC on Oct 6, 2011 | Reply

    Whoa, I take that back, it’s still there. I wonder what Michael will think about that…

  59. By Chuck 1 on Oct 7, 2011 | Reply

    By: nodavis2000: “(Chuck), Please do us all a favor and stop posting some comments. I’m sure no one cares or wants to hear about your opinions or thoughts.”

    Thanks for you advice. I hope that it won’t upset you if I disregard it.

    But, also, thanks for your reply. That’s an “impressive” list of players drafted or acquired through Free Agency.

    Now, I have a few lists that are just as impressive.

    How about these draft choices that worked out so well?
    Kenny King-03
    Tony Gilbert-03
    Larry Foster -03
    Alex Stepanovich-04
    Nick Leckey-04
    John Navarree-04
    Darryl Blackstock-05
    Elton Brown-05
    Lance Mitchell-05
    LeRon McCoy-05
    Matt Leinart-06
    Leonard Pope-06
    Brandon Johnson-06
    Jon Lewis-06
    Todd Watkins-06
    Levi Brown-07
    Buster Davis-07
    Kenny Iwebama-08
    Chris Harrington-08
    Cody Brown-09
    Herman Johnson-09
    Trevor Canfield-09
    Jorrick Calvin-10

    or, these players who were let go?
    Calvin Pace.
    Ben Graham
    Steve Breaston (The Cards are still looking for a good #2 WR)
    Anquan Boldin You can have your opinion. There is no hard evidence that he left because he wanted to be the #1 receiver. My opinion is that 1) Anquan wanted more money than Graves wanted to pay him, and 2) Graves and Whiz wanted to get rid of a player who spoke his mind.

    or, these FAs who have been so dominating?
    Alan Faneca
    Joey Porter
    Chansi Stuckey
    Chester Taylor
    And, I’m sure that there are several more.

    Oh, yes. Kolb has yet to prove that his acquisition was a good move.

  60. By Chuck 1 on Oct 7, 2011 | Reply

    To nodavis2000,

    And, how could I forget Karlos Dansby, who was let go?

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