Vikings aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on October 9, 2011 – 8:12 pm

Beanie Wells came around the corner, looked at Vikings cornerback Cedric Griffin, lowered his shoulder and blew Griffin up.

Griffin’s helmet and skullcap went flying. Wells picked up nine yards. It was an angry run, and why wouldn’t it have been? The Vikings were already ahead, 28-3. There was no reason to be anything but upset if you were a Cardinal.

“I don’t know what it was,” Wells said, with a disappointed chuckle. “I was just trying to run the plays.”

It was fitting in some ways, Wells’ run. It came in the middle of the Cards’ longest drive of the day, one that ultimately ended with a punt after QB Kevin Kolb couldn’t connect with tight end Rob Housler for a touchdown, and then Kolb being sacked for a 17-yard loss.

A play such as Beanie’s is an exclamation point after a win. When the Cards lose like they did, it feels like a waste. There is no great analysis after Sunday. The Cardinals are playing poorly, and it caught up to them against the Vikings.

— Perhaps the most interesting thing postgame was the way coach Ken Whisenhunt flowed in a simple eight-minute press conference. Clearly steam when he first came out, he reset himself a few questions in and softened his approach.

“I will say this: I was angry starting out (talking) and I am still angry, but I do believe we have some good players on this football team,” Whisenhunt said. “I haven’t lost any confidence in our players or our team. We are going to look at what we are doing and we are going to put (players) in the best situations not to make those mistakes.”

When there was a follow-up to the idea Whisenhunt could make some changes, he said “It’s hard in season. Let me be clear, when I first said those things, there is a lot of emotion that goes into that. I am disappointed because I thought we were past this as a football team. But I want to be clear, we have a chance to have good football players.”

— I did think it was interesting when quarterback Kevin Kolb noted postgame about the need to work on details. “It starts with meetings, it starts with showing up to work on time getting in early and getting your work done, all the stuff professionals are supposed to do,” Kolb said. You have to wonder to whom that is referring.

— Kolb did stand in the pocket a couple of times until his receiver got open and delivered the pass. That was a good sign. He did have four passes hit at the line of scrimmage – one was intercepted – but Whisenhunt said he didn’t want to tinker with Kolb’s release.

“I don’t think you try to change the arm angle,” Whisenhunt said. “This team is known for that. Some throws Kevin made later in the game he was trying to throw it around the rush. That’s tough.”

Said Kolb, “Some of the balls later in the game I was dropping my arm trying to throw it underneath some of the guys that were running in there.  That’s another thing, just having to change a little bit here and there, making adjustments. The quick passing game, those (defenders) know it, and they are big and tall.”

— Early Doucet was the go-to guy Sunday. He had a career-high eight receptions for 92 yards, and the Cards targeted him 16 times. Doucet, by the way, already has a career-high in yards with 309, and if he hadn’t lost a touchdown catch because of a Jeremy Bridges penalty, he would have had his second 100-yard game of the season. Technically, Andre Roberts is the other starting receiver, but clearly Doucet is the No. 2.

— Everyone waiting for Deuce Lutui to play is probably going to have to wait to see if Rex Hadnot gets hurt. Hadnot has been solid, so Lutui isn’t going to surpass him that way. And when Daryn Colledge suffered a concussion Sunday, it was D’Anthony Batiste subbing in at left guard. Clearly, Lutui is seen as a right guard only – although if Colledge missed significant time, it’d be interesting to see if they’d stick with Batiste, try Lutui on the left, or maybe move Hadnot over there.

— Jeremy Bridges started in place of Brandon Keith at right tackle. I don’t think Bridges had his best game, but then again, who did?

— There was more Sam Acho-for-Joey Porter at linebacker than O’Brien Schofield. It says something about Acho. And probably Schofield too.

That’s all for now. The beauty of an early game in Minnesota is getting back home before the kids go to bed. What else is there to say, anyway?

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166 Responses to “Vikings aftermath”

  1. By Brad on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Tough game to watch. Getting tired of losing with all of the talent we have. When do the comments from the players start that we have heard for the past 4 games?
    “We will learn from our mistakes and get better”
    “We will turn it around and stay focused”

    Etc, Etc…

    Just a little frustrated here in Scottsdale is all..


  2. By Brad on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    And…. I want this team to win!!!!

  3. By Gilbert on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    What’s ur opinion Darren. What does this team need, cuz it’s obvious they put money into it , so that’s not the case , also the offseason cannot be an excuse cuz all teams are in the same boat, I know that all teams are over rated so could it be that the team has less talent than what it appears. ?? Or better players or back to the basics of football ??

  4. By cards123 on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply


  5. By Mark on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    The Cards are just a bad team plain and simple. I am sick and tired of Whiz and his excuses for his old man, has been, poorly prepared team. Once again Arizona looked like the laughing stock of the NFL and as a long time fan I am fed up with it. How long do we need to stick by this team before they finally do something? Dockett and Wilson took big pay checks but have done nothing since then. Porter needs to retire. As for the offense. I love Larry but he is not the same. Kolb needs to sit. The better QB is on the bench. I guess this is just another rebuilding decade.

  6. By Steve on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah, not much to say….but that won’t stop folks.

  7. By NJAZCardsFan on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    What else can one say…..

    The Cards aren’t the team they thought they were…..

  8. By DCG on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Like I said before, Kurt Warner made Wiz & Grimm look better than they are as coaches. The O line has been a struggle every year and the defense is vulderable to the run and pass. Time for the Wiz/Grimm team to come under the gun.

  9. By Bob on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    The game was lost on 2nd and 1 with 8:22 in the first already down 14 and Kolb in shotgun? What are you trying to fool the defense…duh its game planned. I seen Bennie was the target but Kolb has to get rid of it quicker and Bennie has to turn around faster. Bennie is made for those situations “Trucking” We still had third to throw or run but you have to convert the first. Points of the turnover was the dagger. Where was the blitz again? Coach needs to try a New England passing sceme. Or add play action to mix up the defense.

  10. By Justin on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Hey, great move giving Kolb that big deal. Oh, and we gave away our best cover corner in the trade for him? Smart move. The amount of talent we have lost since the Super Bowl team is astounding. Our front office is maybe the worst in the NFL.

    Tired of hearing we have talented players. Every team has talent. Whiz still needing to “evaluate” talent at this point is disturbing. The 49ers are 4-1, and Seattle looks better than us. No more ccheap excuses, coaching staff. You have your quarterback. The “Three and outs” have to stop.

  11. By rio on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I am lost for words with this team, cannot figure out if it is the players or Coaching staff, i would say coaching staff should go.

    It is just a shame about this team

  12. By Tx Cards fan on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    For my health my Doctor told me to just watch the baseball playoffs and College Football. Not many words after this game other than I’m not sure the team ever made the flight because they sure never showed up.

    Darren- I’m going to have to put some beer on this one. I think it’s only fair the Cardinals pony up for the case of beer it’s going to take to put this game behind me. I should be able to mail in my recipe and a old picture of me going to a game in Phoenix Cardinals gear from the 90’s and get my money back for the beer and Tylenol.

  13. By nkd on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    well lets look at the positives here, we are now in the race to get andrew luck! Thats a good thing….

  14. By georgiebird on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Each week it’s something (or many things) new that doesn’t work.
    You keep talking about a Cardinal comeback-are you delusional??
    The Vikings were on cruise control after the 1st quarter- they could have won this game by 50 points- and the Viking fans aren’t too happy with McNabb-imagine if they were.
    Bottom line- Whiz is in way over his head.
    Whiz and Horton can’t figure things out while the game is going on- and to make it worse, they can’t figure it out after the game is over.
    Is there any doubt now that Kurt Warner was the driving force for all the good things in 2008 & 2009.
    I’m not the smartest guy on the planet, but my posts have been, by far, the most insightful submissions on this blog. There are some that may want to make nasty comments about my posts, but no one can dispute the fact that my comments have consistently been right on the mark.

  15. By J K on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Trying to be a reasonable fan here. Kolb needs time, he’s fine. I would like to see the o line step up some on offense. Defensively- In the secondary we are inexperienced and injured. Let’s be clear, though- fundamentally this team is struggling with the 3-4. Still. We don’t have playmakers in the right spots to make this defensive scheme work as we stand. You can blame the injuries and the short off season but outside linebacker is a weak spot for this team. Against the run we are a tad bit slow and we are not covering our gaps along the d line properly. The lack of pass rush is leaving our inexperienced secondary hanging out to dry on passing downs. We simply do not have the linebackers to make this scheme work. Washington is going to be a great linebacker but his playmaking ability should not have to be showcased by running down plays from behind to make up for lack of gap coverage due to others up front. Again, trying to be reasonable here. Not singling anyone out but I hope these individuals are singling themselves out. Whiz knows better than anyone reading this does what the problems are. He is a great coach and the fans should not be lying blame on him or Kolb until he proves he will not fix these issues.

  16. By Aussie Cardinal on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    can anyone see us taking Luck if we somehow get the chance?
    The rate we are playing, I Don’t see the cards getting more than 4 wins…

  17. By Chuck 1 on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    “I do believe we have some good players on this football team,” Whisenhunt said. “I haven’t lost any confidence in our players or our team. We are going to look at what we are doing and we are going to put (players) in the best situations not to make those mistakes.”

    HUH??? What does that mean? If Whiz has “some good players on this football team”, that means that he is indicting the coaching staff for not translating those “good players” into a winning team. And, he is also indicting the other coaches and himself for not ALREADY “putting (players) in the best situations not to make those mistakes”? The team is five games into the season.

    But, of course, he can’t say that he doesn’t have good players or he would be indicting Graves and Keim!!!

    As several others have written over the last several weeks, when the Bidwills and Graves might have had Wade Phillips or another proven DC, Whiz went to his favorite team, the Steelers, to get Horton. And, based on the performance of the OL over the last couple of years, I’m not sure that Russ Grimm should be retained next year. Is it the OL players or Russ? Has Miller shown that he should be the OC?

    Are there any fans out there who still BELIEVE that the Cards WILL WIN the NFC West?
    And, are there any fans out there who still BELIEVE that the Cards WILL be a Wild Card team?

    If so, I say “Earth to fan, come home”.

  18. By johnny on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I know it sounds like an excuse, but it is kevin kolbs 12th start. I think if we give him time, he will be very good. However, This team is not a good team. we were 5 and 11 last year and have know idea how people think we are better because of kolb. However we have, like a lot of people said lost a lot of talent. I will have to agree with the fact that this coaching staff gets out coached every single week. The play calling is just awful. need to force it to fitz more. every big time reciever in the nfl get double team and they get more throws. Kolb needs to trust fitz more.

  19. By Bob on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Miller is on the hot seat next to Whiz…Who is next?

  20. By nkd on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    yes how could we not take luck if available that would be the dumbest thing ever not to… kolb maybe a good or halfway great qb. luck is said to be the next manning. kolb or manning? easy choice if u ask me

  21. By Bob on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t want to take it there but Vontaze Burfict would be a Diamond in the draft. Imagine Washington and Burfict in the middle stopping the run in a 5-2, But I agree the 3-4 is not what we do. I guarantee If Docket is put in the B gap he would get through almost every time he is great of the snap. No more 3-4 you have to pressure the QB.

  22. By Rich on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Whiz is lost.

  23. By pipapiko on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Guess I was off by 3 points! 10-34 Vikings! Dam Cardz! I mightiest well sell my seats and make a lil money off of them now!

  24. By Rich on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I hope we turn it around – but honestly – it feels like we need a change at the top. Sorry to say. That was embarrassing today.

  25. By Rick on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply


  26. By Jose Gilbert on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, I know you will watch the game on DVR, and would like to see if you can enlighten me on one play. On the Peterson run to make it 28-0, Rashad Johnson just falls to his knees for no reason as Adrian Peterson runs over Patrick Peterson…It might be the worst attempt at a tackle I’ve ever seen. He also fell down (for no obvious reason) as he was covering on the 60 yard pass play later on. I know he’s a backup, but Jeesh…This was ugly. I just realized I know you won’t be able to enlighten me, but I was just curious if anyone else noticed this. Thanks.

  27. By Chris on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I can see a turn around if whiz would just get pissed at the podium and show some GD emotion! I love what the guy has done, but how can he expect his players to get fired up if he never does. I hate to say it, but he needs some pointers from double rainbow (pete carrol) from up north.

  28. By Tom on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Are the Cards going to the state fair cause that was an absolute circus. I am disgusted to be a Cards fan. What a shame… I know we have new players this season but these guys have been playing football for years. I bet the Trinity Highschool football team in Texas could beat this team. Sad Sad Sad !!!

  29. By J K on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    To add to my comment from earlier I will also say that it is no secret to any cardinal fan that a dub does not do well in coverage. So the inexperienced secondary suffers even more in coverage with a 1 armed blitzing safety who has probably lost a step or two over the years. His leadership and ability is still there but it has virtually no help from teammates. Dockett, a true 4-3 pass rusher, is not enough of a presence to in a 3-4 to help. We are still feeling the loss of dansby and rolle. Don’t even bring up Rhodes…love the guy but he was a downgrade from rolle against the pass. Sorry for being a bit more focused on certain players in this post but it needs to be said. Cards d is flawed from a fundamental standpoint. Look at the stats over the years.

  30. By BiRdBraiN on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    The biggest Question I have is Why cant we get Fitz the ball (WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO), I know today was a train wreck from the get go but I see Kolb getting better(when he has time)I mean so many things— we dont have any play action stuff need some short quick stuff to get the Heat off Kolb and we get T ends we dont use em even when they’re healthy and I think beanie doing alot better but we had to ditch the run game after the first quarter.I DON”T KNOW–any thoughts Darren___…

  31. By SeeingRed on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    If u think today was embarrassing..wait until we play SF and the rest of the “worst” division in the NFL

    I still like and respect Whiz but u have to wonder why, even since he first arrived, that every win or game seems so hard to win or play. Even in the Kurt Warner days there were plenty of blowouts, meltdowns, no-shows, slow starts, etc. Only seem to get up for “big games” ie high-profile games….YET u have other rookie coaches in Seattle and SF and they just win and dont make a ton of excuses for losses. Heck, even with Singletary SF was able to beat us bad…

    I’ve never understood how this team seems to do worse against teams who are missing key players etc. Missing their best rusher? their backup torches us. Missing their go-to receiver? over 100 yds receiving by backup. Missing best cover corner? Fitz (or any other receiver) cant get the ball. YET we never are able to do the same when we have injuries etc.

    I really am starting to question the mental strength etc of this team and fair or not it starts with the head coach. I like how Atlanta’s Mike Smith in his presser took full responsibility for the teams issue. I would love to see Whiz do that at least once. No excuses or reasons just take personal responsibility.

    Just sayin

  32. By in fitz we trust on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    the problem is our team is cheap and our front office sucks hands down its just apaulling. we let the wrong players leave, and when our team decides to spend money its on the wrong players. I dont see one free agent signee making an impact on our team except jeff king. our major blaring needs o-line and LB pass rush have still yet to be fulfilled. and it really pisses me off that schofield cannot learn the defense. im scared to see whats gonna happen against the steelers and ravens. long year, high draft pick. GO CARDS!!!

  33. By John S on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I’m sure i’m not the only one seriously tired of post game comments like that of Kolb when he said each player has to look in the mirror and ask themselves if they are doing there job. Who cares if he says that? Him and Whiz are great at pointing out the whole team needs work. But talking and doing are 2 different things, starting with themselves. I can only watch these games now as a comedy. A comedy of errors. Thats the only way to deal with being a fan of this team. I wonder if attendance going forward at home games will be affected and if so, if that will make top management start getting serious about drastic changes including the staff.

  34. By AndyStandsUp on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Looks like a long season, let alone a long two weeks.
    Epic fail by everyone for the guys wearing read and white.

    Injuries? (Like it matters.)

  35. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Whiz, Kolb, and Horton will get a free pass this year with the short offseason and injuries. But all of them will be on the hotseat from the very first game of the 2012 season. If this keeps up into early 2012, Whiz we be gone before 2012 is over and the entire coaching staff will be gone when the season ends, and perhaps Rod Graves too. It all started with Whiz’s judgement that D. Anderson was a starting-calibur QB to lead his team in 2012.

    Hard to believe that rookie coach Jim Harbaugh and career underachiever Alex Smith are running circles around Whiz and Kolb righr now.

    Was intersting to hear Andy Reid and Tom Coighlin take complete responsibility for their team’s sloppy play on Sunday. You’ll never hear Whiz openly take responsibility for any of his team’s problems, and I think the players notice the coaching staff’s lack of willingness to take responsibilty for anything going wrong. After watching Sunday’s game, I’m fearing that some Whiz has lost some of his players willingness to play for him.

  36. By Phoenixraven1 on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Horrible first part of the season…

  37. By rita orduno on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Cardinals so you lost a game.That’s over deal with it like the champions that you are, learn from this.You are all so talented player remember who you are.Believe that you win and you will.Your all champions!!!!

  38. By welpe on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Bye week is coming up and I am tired as a fan of hearing people planning the future, as for giving up already? Whiz is right, the players are having the tools, but as much as I like Whiz, it gives me headscratchers to see how he or whoever is using them in the game.

    I love you as a team as you are, in the game and out of the game. I will continue to get frustrated and delighted over the upcoming wins with you. Keep up the work.

    Greetz from the German from Mexico.

  39. By Andy on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    This is my say…
    1 get rid of Levi brown and Brandon Keith. Let’s face it.. THEY SUCK!!!!
    2 draft Jonathan Martin and get THE best tackle in free agency. No no names!
    3 give kolb and whiz one more year than if they don’t get to at least 8 and 8 get rid of them.

  40. By C on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    Here’s a drastic change for you.. Switch to a 4-3: Doc and Campbell on the ends, Williams and Carter in the middle. Lennon as the mic backer, Washington strong side and A-Dub weak side. Marshall and Jefferson at corner, Rhodes and Peterson at SS and FS respectively.

    That defense has sideline to sideline playmaking ability in the front 7, along with a pass rush. I would say possibly weaker defensively but the way A-Dub is playing SS is just laughable right now.

  41. By Kurt M on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I have no idea why everyone thinks that DRC was so great he couldn’t tackle or pass block for squat the only thing we gave up for Kolb was the 2nd rounder. DRC didn’t do squat last year and had a career year the year before the only reason why we are missing him is because we’ve lost corners this year yes Jefferson and Marshall need to step it up. I was yellin and swearin at the tv just like everyone else today but you guys gotta remember that last year after a couple of lucky wins we were no were near winning or in control of any games alot like todays game every game last year felt like todays game. We could easily be 4 and 1 but were not. Whiz’s back should be in the hot seat because the Bids did dig deep this year with signin FA and extentions ect. Now its our coaches need to step it up and stop makin excuses for their players or face the consequences

  42. By Kurt M on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    oh and why does everyone miss Hightower man im lovin the new BEANIE!!!!!!! Feed that man some more pig skin

  43. By Peter on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    We can only have faith that the coverage is like a fine wine that gets better with age and that there is consistency in the run D… but there just isn’t pressure from the front 7… the O line was never solid but Kurt Warner was successful… why? because he stood there, tossed the rock and took his share of licks while maintaining composure… something Kolb hasn’t done yet. Run blocking leaves something to be desired but what can you really do with tackles that are hit or miss on speedy edge rushers? D line being disrespected… It seems like no one is executing the schemes… they need to find a better system or better players… the fans already saw last season and this season isn’t shaping up to be better… but still I have faith… I am curious about Skelton… perhaps he can try to bring his game up… questions questions and more questions and right now there aren’t any answers… hopefully time can sort out this mess

  44. By brad oneill on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    there is no way we should take luck if we are unlucky enough to draft first. we need pass rushers, replacement safeties to groom, offensive linemen to grow.

    if we get first pick i really hope we trade it out to someone who only needs a qb that has some picks to trade.

    kolb will be fine.

  45. By cards>niners on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    with the team playing like this they will not continue to sell tickets… sure the cowboys and steelers games will draw sellouts as always, but is anyone going to come and see the seahawks/rams/browns games with the team consistently struggling?… I think not… I live in San Diego now and fly out for every home game..I’m giving my dad the steelers tickets.. not worth the trip any longer. Sad to say the least.

  46. By sport245245 on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I will give you 63 million reasons why the Cardinals will not be in the Luckstakes. Also, Kolb hit a bunch of Minnesotas arms and helmets with his passes. That means there is something wrong, and it’s not the offensive line. This was one of those games where everything that could go wrong, went wrong and Kolb is not getting it done. It is really sad for a Cardinal fan like me. I’m already selling my tickets for the Steeler game. I would never have considered this before. That’s how bad it is in my opinion.

  47. By Chris on Oct 9, 2011 | Reply

    I just have a hard time understanding why game after game we have to watch Levi Brown look like a turnstile and see the rest of the offensive line get torched while we have a guy like Deuce who has done a fairly good job for us over the years riding the bench. At some point the coaching staff needs to admit that Levi was a bust and find a way to ship him out. It’s going to be tough for Kolb to do much of anything if guys are in his face immediately after every snap.

  48. By dan on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Well, its nice to see we have a real punter again………good going cheez whiz. Some of his decisions are pretty stupid. Andre Roberts still sucks too. Doucet is much better, always has been. I think Vonnie Holiday should be playing more as well but he, I’m just a fan, what do I know? Honestly, the Cardinals need to hire me to do their draft. I know I can draft better than these boneheads.

  49. By AussieCardsfan on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Aussie Cardinal you are right. Luck sweepstakes are now on. if we get the chance we should take him. So frustrating.

  50. By Matthew on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    i was listening to the game announcers during this game, and when they said “Kolb will get better he has to” im still trying to figure out if that is nice or if he just sucks so bad he cant get any worse? I put my faith in Kolb, and i was a true believer in him, and i even fought for his autograph at the cardinals training camp. And this is how he pays us back. Im tired of the Cardinals being the lauhing stock of the NFL. Every freaking year its the same story “well get better” as if we could get any worse. or the always classic “we could have made plays, but didnt capitalize” of course not. Then even worse i go to school the next day and am laughed at and mocked by almost everyone, because i like the cardinals. Im sick and tired of it. ya maybe if it were one year it would be acceptable, but its every freaking year. sorry if i any of my language is bad, but man i dont get how a team can continuously suck.

  51. By Ryan on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


    I’m willing to give Whisenhunt, Horton, and Kolb the benefit of the doubt due to the lack of an off-season because of the lock out, however, if we have another losing season next year, I think it’s time for a coaching change. Just my two cents.

  52. By EarlbB on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


  53. By UC on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    And with that, Kenny’s overall record as Cardinals head coach falls below .500. Ho hum, Same Old Cardinals here we come. Kenny is in over his head, in so many different areas, and today’s total collapse couldn’t have happened to a more deserving coaching staff. This was laughable.

    Graham’s stats: 42.4 avg, 2 of 5 punts inside the 20. Oh, and he held for Feely’s 51 yard field goal. Makes one wonder why Kenny dumped Graham.

    Only 31.6% of the plays called today were rushing plays. You Kenny apologists, this is where you can trot out last year’s excuse of, “But they got behind early, and had to pass to try and catch up,” because this time it’s actually applicable. However, that drops their season percentage of rushing plays from scrimmage to 39%. I thought “smart, tough, disciplined football” implied, you know, rushing more than 39% of the time.

    I’m increasingly happy for Boldin, and Breaston, and Hightower, and Branch, that they got out and don’t have to be further subjected to this coaching staff’s incompetence.

    Oh, and Darren, from your “Good Bye After Minnesota” story:

    “But with the Cardinals’ offense unable to move the ball at all, a line-drive punt by fill-in Ben Graham gave the Vikings possession at the Arizona 18-yard line…”

    That would be the punt from the back of the end zone, with the ball at the two yard line, with Graham undoubtedly (as any competent punter would) hurrying so that the punt isn’t blocked, and after a 22 yard return, correct? ‘Cause you know, it’s funny, for any reader who doesn’t know the entire context of that situation, what you wrote very much leaves the impression that Graham was completely at fault. Now I wonder why you’d want to do that…

    And just for Darren, who continues trying to cover for his bud Kenny:


  54. By Eliot on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I stopped watching halfway through the first quarter. I want the cards to win as badly as anyone but I’m going to to sit through that rubbish for 4 quarters. There are better ways to spend a Sunday than tearing chunks of my hair out watching this team collapse week after week.

  55. By dean on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    tough game to watch.

  56. By Rugbymuffin on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


    ‘Nuff said.

  57. By AL on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I liked what i saw from Housler, he saved our asses on a couple of occasions. It’s a shame the loss was so bad as i think Housler wont get the credit from the coaching staff he deserves. In his first real game action, where he was involved for multiple drives, he made plays when we needed them, that’s what we need from our rookies.

  58. By Steve on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I miss the lockout.

  59. By Nick Pepe on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Just another bad mood Monday.

  60. By Old Man Riva on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    As a 50 year supporter of this team, I have said numerous times how frustrating each year (with the exception of about a half dozen) becomes. I’m still a fan which must say something about my loyalty factor. lol. I still believe the Bidwill family’s habit of dumping players/coaches is at the root of their problems. If you go back two seasons and look at our starting lineup vs. what we field now, there is a lot of talent gone that didn’t have to be. Add Boldin, Breaston, Hightower, Dansby, Rolle back to the lineup and we are pretty awesome. How about if we kept our old OC instead of letting him go to KC? The season will soon turn into one where all we fans do is look for noteable individual performances and start studying the college player profiles to see who we get with our high pick in 2012. In other words…sameo, sameo!

  61. By Old Man Riva on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    One last comment…is there any question in any one’s mind about why the Steelers chose Mike Tomlin as their head coach over the inappropriately named “Whiz”?

  62. By Old Man Riva on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Oh…one more…in one of the pre-game scouting reports they said the Cards defense will concentrate on stopping Peterson rather than worry about McNabb. Guess that approach didn’t work. Speaking of Peterson’s, I guess our’s is being welcomed to the NFL big time, isn’t he?

  63. By sad on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    linebackers are old and slow, the safties are being forced to do 2 jobs including their own, levi brown is the worst blindside guard i’ve ever seen in my life, whiz is turning out to NOT be the coach everyone thought he was. all i see coachs saying is “we need to improve as a team” we need a new coach and no one is talking about it. this team is in a lot of trouble with the staff the cards have turning the knobs. get whiz outta there. theres a reason haley left besides getting his own team and whiz is it. hes not a good coach, hes not smart.

  64. By david magee on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with Georgiebird, I think Kurt Warner was the driving force behind this team while he was a Cardinal. Whisenhunt came from a good organization and he should have brought some of that Pittsburgh fire with him but I don’t see it. Even after yesterday this team should be 4-1 and if playing well at all 5-0, I don’t understand it?

  65. By Ben on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb drives me nuts when he doesn’t step up in the pocket. Just take 2 steps forward to avoid those guys coming from the outside. Our line does a pretty good job of protecting kolb and I watch and see manning and brees stay in there and step up to make the big plays. There is no reason why we should be getting sacked foe 18 yards on a big drive and especially in 3rd down.

  66. By ross on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Vikes were due. Beanie has arrived. Just give it some time.

  67. By OhioCardsFan on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Very disappointing to regress this much…I think the blame falls squarely on Kolb and the offensive play calling. Think about it, yes, the Vikings got off to a quick 28 pt lead, but as a result of Kolb’s costly turnovers. The defense had very short fields to work with, and with all the three and out’s the defense didn’t even get a chance to take a drink! The defense held the Vikes TO 6 TOTAL POINTS after the first quarter. We need to move the ball better, Kolb needs to make better decisions, and the o-line needs to do a better job protecting. I’m not saying the defense did a great job, just saying they did okay for what they had to work with. I agree with DCG, Warner made Whiz and the offense look good for those two great years.

  68. By Chris B on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I have long defended this team against the torches and pitchforks. This game was by far the worst one. No one showed up to play. Those men should be embarrassed. 28-0 in 12 minutes. I agree with something Wolf said on the radio; Whiz should make it known that jobs are on the line. The only one who looked like he came to play? Beanie. But can’t run too much when you’re down 28 points the entire game.

  69. By Phil on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I’m going to vent some then my questions will be at the bottom.

    I can live with the close losses. But getting blown out in the 1st Qrt. by a bad team is unacceptable. Horton and his scheme is new, so I can live with Defensive mistakes. But on Offense, that is a different story. The league is full of new QB’s playing in new Schemes and they are doing very well. We on the other hand will be lucky to finish 3-13.

    Grimm has yet to produce a solid O-line. I’m starting to think he is over-rated as a coach.

    As for Whiz, I’ve been a staunch supporter until today. If we have the talent he claims, then he isn’t capable of getting the best out of them. If he can’t turn this team around in time for Pittsburgh, then he needs to go.

    I’m a season ticket holder. $100 a ticket is a lot of money, too much to pay for this garbage. If this team isn’t playing at high level in two weeks and Whiz is here after this season, I will not be renewing my tickets.

    Is the team planning on working (more than normal) through the bye? Is there a sense of urgency in building? Are the coaches feeling heat from Graves or Bidwill?

  70. By Ham on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Im with all of you guys posting these blogs! We are a sorry football team and I have been so patient these last few years. Im not going to place blame on Kolb because he is trying to make things happen with a terrible O line and bad wide recievers outside Larry Fitz. I do have faith in the players to get their heads in the game and execute the plays. Speaking of plays WHO IS CALLING THE PLAYS??? I place 75 percent of the blame on the entire coaching staff. I think its time for a change and replace Whiz and gang. O line has been the worst in the league every year and we have old LB’s that cant run to save their lives! Hate loosing but hey I think im use to it by now…. just remember bird gang IN WHIZ WE TRUST……..

  71. By DC Mase on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Talent wins games..the Cards don’t have the talent to win. 5-16 is the record of Whiz without Warner and Boldin. Whiz is a terrible talent evaluator( exmaple D.A and Max Hall were his choice) and a mediocre coach at best. No in game adjustments, he reacts vs sets the tone when game begins. There has gotta be a hungry coordinator out there like TB’s coach or someone who can get these guys to play an uptempo type of game vs this Pittsburgh formula he is trying to rehash here. This is not Pittsburgh its up the game plan. May as well be exciting if we are going to lose.

  72. By louie on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    hopefully this is rock bottom and the only way to go from here is up
    on the other note is Porter sucks and is a waste of space
    and we still need a #2 reciever and Kolb needs to throw deep more

    2 weeks away for the cards to rebound

  73. By louie on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Your always talking about Kurt Warner, but in realistic he had 2 #1 recievers and a solid #2. Derek Anderson might have thrown 20 tds with them, or maybe not D.A. was the beginning cancer brought here and I was disgusted when they traded Boldin.

  74. By GW on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


  75. By Chuck on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Darren i feel the cardinals have a problem at left tackle on the o-line.Levi cant block speed rushers on Kolbs blind side.HUGE PROBLEM he seems to get hurried too often ! On defence our linebacks are too slow except DWASH who is the best on defence,and our corners are blowing their assignments!

  76. By joe67 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Well,……….I am trying to be positive (and have been for about 50 years with this team)…….but, maybe I was wrong…………maybe this is just a bad team…………lets see what happens after the bye……… maybe……

  77. By BIG RED 66 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I bet Larry is saying to himself-why did I resign for life with this bunch of losers, its not worth 25 million a year-I want to win. Well Larry then you better ask for a trade because as long as Pitts west is in town we will bw losers. Jeff Fisher is availble. FIRE THE ENTIRE COACHING STAFF-SEASON IS OVER.

  78. By cooldaddy79 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah, man it just seemed they didnt practice lastweek at all missing routes and stuff, man that was awefull! But i will always be optimistic they are my team. P. Peterson was ran over a few times by A.peterson at first i was sick but,but then it became just funny! Patrick met a real running back. Hopefully he will learn from it. Go Cards!!

  79. By cooldaddy79 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Where was A. Wilson at? the whole game does he play football anymore or what. poor guy.He was actually getting punked out there. That bicep must not be healed. Anyone have the answer.

  80. By cooldaddy79 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    And one more thing, isn’t it wierd how the eagles and the cards have the same record this season so far. Think about it.

  81. By cooldaddy79 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    To Cards123, yeah we suck and i hate the sugar coating too. But we dont need whiz to have a breakdown like that other dude that coached the birds “they were what we thought they were” or something like that,,haha. I hope things turn around..

  82. By Upset Cards Fan on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I have watched every second of every Cards game for the past 7 years. What has frustrated me the most this year is the play calling. Darren, is Whiz still making all of the offense play calls during the game? Cause I can’t tell you how many 2nd and 1 or 2, or 3rd and 1 or 2, even 4th and 1’s I have seen when they’ll call in a pass play. I mean this has been the first season we CAN actually rely on our run game to pick those yards up and we abandon the run? There was a 2nd and 1 play sometime in the first half yesterday, I look to my buddy and say “I guarantee Whiz will call a pass play here, even though a 1 yard run could move the chains” What do you know? The ball is snapped, Kolb drops back, has to start running for his life, sack, fumble, Vikings ball. If Whiz can not relinquish offensive play calls, I say we fire him as a head coach and hire him back as an offensive coordinator since that is all he is pretty much doing now.

  83. By cardsalltheway on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Ken W. has got to be one of the worst(if not THE worst) NFL head coaches. He got beat by the Vikings 0 – 4 ROOKIE head coach and by the OLD QB(McNabb) Darren and/or Ken W. refused to believe could help the Cardinals at 57 MIllION dollars less than our must have 63 MILLION dollar man(who looked horrible by the way).

    Disgusting, now Ken W. has more face to save which only means more BAD things for Cardinal fans. Frankly, I don’t care about Ken W’s face.

  84. By jocards on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve been a fan for a long, long time and this is just more of the same. I’ve heard the mantra “with all this talent” so many times before. This is the NFL; of course there is talent on the roster. There is talent on every roster in the league. This is a bad football team….again. This organization is historically one of the worst in all of professional sports. To go out and get flattened by a bad Minnesota team tells you all you need to know about this year’s team. They simply handed the Vikings the game. I like Whisenhunt and I think he’s a pretty good coach but there does come a time when you need to take a long, hard look at the way this team is losing games. I really don’t think a coaching change would make much of a difference because I believe this is a bad team but when a team continually makes mistakes to lose winnable games and just for good measure mixes in a game here and there where they are clearly not ready to play, the coaching staff and the way they prepare their players has to come under scrutiny….again though I place the blame far mor eon the players. Here we sit 1-4 and headed downhill again….Cardinals football.

  85. By MIKE G on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Rough game for the Cards yesterday. Vikes were dangerous and desperate. I thought we got handled on both sides of the ball. Levi Brown had a rough time as did Kolb. Three turnovers from the QB postion will not get it done. In addition the defense could not stop the run or get pressure. Not much went right yesterday–Beanie is our best option on offense right now. Hopefully the bye will help the team. Our QB is struggling but I think it is expected –he is a work in progress. Seems like he has regressed the last few games–does not trust the offense yet. Coming from a west coast offense in Philly to a more down-field offense has to be his biggest obstacle at this point. Confidence is definitely shaken!!! Darren– What do you think is Kolbs # 1 obstacle in learning the Cards offense????

  86. By Darren Urban on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: Kolb issues

    Frankly, I do not know.

  87. By cardsalltheway on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Did anyone else see that great hold by Graham on that 51 yard field goal? The snap was very high but he snagged it and put it down nothing. Sure Ken W. use the other punter/field goal holder. Why? Just because!

  88. By reap37 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t understand how the coaches can say that this team is very close to being a really good football team. It looks like they get worse every week and not better. Clearly they were not ready for this game against the Vikings and looked pathetic. All the X’s and O’s mean nothing if we are not mature enough, not proud enough, not determined enough. After all the hoopla of signing and paying “better” players I was really excited about the Cards. Now it looks they are actually worse than last year which I didn’t think was possible. After the bye, this team MUST come out with some fire and start by beating up the Steelers who everyone says is old and slow. I think we can if we dig sown and find some heart and some guts.

  89. By cardsalltheway on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Ken W.’s problem is that it’s his way or the highway. Since when did football a science, is there only one way? I think not! If a head coach can’t adjust then he is a liability and that’s unfortunately what the Cardinals have.

  90. By CardsFool on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    After five weeks, what have the Cardinals learned? The coaching staff headed by Whiz believes we have some talented palyers. The team agrees they cannot keep playing like this. Take the iPhones and the computers and stop tweeting and blogging and spend the time in the film room watching how pathetic you guys look against a mediocre team with Donovan McNabb (a past-his-prime-QB) and then work, work, work, and maybe you can earn back some fan respect, but it will take that effort over the next eleven games, not just one, to gain any respect for the money you are being paid to put a perfromance like yesterday on the field and call yourselves “professionals!”

  91. By cardsalltheway on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I’m sorry but what is that thing Kolb wears on his head? Don’t tell me he wears his hat/cap backwards as well? Take it off Kolb or get a haircut! If you don’t do one or the other you’re career is doomed.

  92. By clssylssy on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I think everyone has overlooked the fact that K.Kolb and most of the rest of our team got shortchanged by the lockout. This season did not start on a level playing field for teams who had major roster changes. We have a lot of talent on our team and I am confident that it is fixable. I remember when Warner and Leinert were competing for the starter position and the coach use to play each of them for a half or about that. The competition brought out the inner beast in Warner so that he eventually won the starter position but had some ugly games and Cards fans booed him…it was a process. I wonder if too much pressure has been put on Kolb when we have two other excellent QBs on the sidelines. Maybe he needs more time to learn Whisenhunts scheme and unlearn Any Reids. In the past we haven’t played rookies fresh out of the draft but this year had no choice. I know this team has the talent. They play to the level of their opponent and the Vikes have been underestimate, just like the Cards. They should have learned something about Adrian Peterson and Jared Allen all these years playing them and McNabb is no old man. Our injuries our killing us and I’m kinda hoping we can still pick up some free agents who are veterans before the window closes for signing. I feel bad for the team because as rough as their competitors are the fans are tougher! The only thing worse than being Kevin Kolb this morning would be to be his kid (if he has one). Georgiebird seems to have all the answers so I’m wondering why the Organization doesn’t hire her/him? REGROUP GUYS, WORK HARD DURING THE BYE, AND START OVER! YOU CAN DO IT, GO CARDS!

  93. By Dynosoar on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Just feel bone dead weary and imagine our team feels the same.

    I’ll shake it off in the next week or so, I’m mighty grateful for the bye.

    I’ll be ready to emulate the Ravens and pull a crushing lose my voice wakeup on the Steelers in two weeks.

    The best way to beat Big Ben is to keep the ball out of his hands in the last four minutes of either half.

    Lets Go Cardinals! I’m weary, just plain simple weary. Please beat Dallas and Pittsburgh and our Divisional foes and I’ll be satisfied with this season, playoffs or no.

  94. By Chuck 1 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Before we throw Whiz and his coaching staff under the bus, let’s remember that Graves and Keim deserve just as much credit for this dismal season.
    They failed to acquire players that filled the NEEDS (!!!) of the team e.g. LBs and the OL!!!

  95. By georgiebird on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    @ J K

    You start off by saying “trying to be a reasonable fan…”
    Then you go on to say “Washington is going to be a great linebacker… “-
    The question is “Why?” The Cardinals have never had a great linebacker. Unless the Cardinals surround Washington with run stopping LBs, DW will always be chasing plays from behind.
    But maybe you meant that Washington will be a great player on some other NFL team.
    And to say that Whiz knows the problems and Whiz is a great coach. You should have been cut off from the kool-aid a long time ago.
    We’ve got to get back to the real world on this site.

  96. By Cert 33 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Well, it’s official now. We are the worst team in the NFL. Remember, Parick Peterson’s INDIVIDUAL EFFORT on special teams in game 1 is THE ONLY reason we are not 0-5. ALL the blame is on Ken (NO Warner, NO win) Whisenhunt and his staff. They are definitely the worst in the NFL. It’s not the players, we are being outcoached on both sides of the ball in every game. C’mon Bidwell, grow a pair and get rid of all of them.

  97. By JJeff on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    No sugar coating it – we’re not playing good football.

    It’s a “team game, so finger-pointing is useless (unless you’ve got 50 – 60 fingers all on one hand.

    Biggest disappointment is that the players didn’t show up ready to play, and the coaches didn’t have them very prepared.

    I also feel that the time to be patient and stay the course re our O-Line is over.

    I also feel that it’s time to say “goodbye” to our Offensive Coacing by Committee experiment (our pass patterns look like they were drawn up by a bunch of Pop Warner coaching rejects.

    If the above sounds like a rant, it really isn’t – It reflects my more upbeat half.

  98. By Cert 33 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I will also have t revise my original estimate of a 6-10, 5-11 season to 2-14, perhaps 3-13. Of course, that could change completely if Bidwell surprises us all and brings in someone competent like Jeff Fisher to run the team.

  99. By BIG RED on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Give QB J.Skelton some playing time to proof you wrong. Last year he was 2-2, not bad for a rookie how many has Kolb won and played. Skelton played smart and never threw the ball out of bounce 6 times a game. And You have to remember our offensive line was worst, that what it is today. He plays in the pocket, smarter, runs only when he has to and makes his passes count, also if his in trouble never runs back and loses 18 yards. WE WANT SKELTON! WE WANT SKELTON! WE WANT SKELTON! It’s time to move on forward. Also, a product of our draft, not from another team. HAVE PRIDE ARIZONA this is your future.

  100. By Steve in NC on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    My first post of the year on here and I must say its been pretty ugly so far. Last year all the ills of the team fell squarely on the shoulders of the quarterbacks so they go out and pay dearly for the QB of the future and the team is no better now than they were last year with Whiz making the same excuses and giving the same press conferences as last year. Its pretty evident from last year and the first five games of this year that Kurt Warner was the only reason the Cards had any success. Sure is painful being a Cardinals fan!

  101. By Bill L on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb is Decent….Would I rather have Matt, DRC and a 2nd Rounder…No Doubt. But, Kolb is here. What Makes Kolb Better, The Receivers Better, The Running Game Better…….an O-Line. The Cards START what should be NO BETTER than BACKUPS all across the O-Line. Fix that and even the Coaches will look better/smarter.

  102. By Chuck 1 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    The empty seats are a-comin’.
    It will be telling to see how many fans cancel their season tickets for next season.
    That’s one big way to send a message to the Bidwills.

  103. By emm7777 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    This Defense we run is ridiculous! Imagine if we put Dockett in a pass rushing position like J. Allen?

    No, instead he lines up to face 2 blockers on EVERY SINGLE PLAY so that the old slow LB can not get in and make the play. It is so bad that some people are questioning Dockett’s skill and value?! The dude is a baller and a leader and these coaches are wasting a rare talent! As a true fan, it hurts to watch.

    Graves, Whiz and co. have got to go!

  104. By Peter in Canada on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t really comment on the game because at 28-0 I gave up in disgust and found better use for my time. I honestly believed that this team was better than last year but my faith is being sorely tested.
    I think it is now time to start giving serious minutes to younger players to give them experience and to determine who can be counted on for the future. The powers declined to bring in defensive help because they insisted the younger players were good enough to step in. Now they should back up their opinions. Staying the course with Porter Haggans Lennon and Wilson to name four, is pointless because they will be of no help if/when we become good again.
    Darren you have my sympathy because even the staunchest supporters of the team are begining to lose their optimism let alone your having to deal with the constant complainers.

  105. By MIKE G on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren—That was a nice video Paul C did with Fitz and Roy Green.
    I really enjoyed that. Seems like both payers are friends and have a lot of respect for one another.

  106. By cardsalltheway on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    UC says…
    Oh, and Darren, from your “Good Bye After Minnesota” story:

    “But with the Cardinals’ offense unable to move the ball at all, a line-drive punt by fill-in Ben Graham gave the Vikings possession at the Arizona 18-yard line…”

    That would be the punt from the back of the end zone, with the ball at the two yard line, with Graham undoubtedly (as any competent punter would) hurrying so that the punt isn’t blocked, and after a 22 yard return, correct? ‘Cause you know, it’s funny, for any reader who doesn’t know the entire context of that situation, what you wrote very much leaves the impression that Graham was completely at fault. Now I wonder why you’d want to do that…

    And just for Darren, who continues trying to cover for his bud Kenny.

    I agree with UC,(sic)

  107. By Chuck 1 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


    A few years ago, you had a series where Graves, Whiz and others answered questions and comments from the fans.

    I doubt, with the season results that exist, that they would agree to do that again, but will you ask them?

  108. By Darren Urban on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Chuck 1 —

    RE: Request

    I will ask if someone can do that, yes.

  109. By Eric on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I believe we can truly say the experiment is OVER. I know one thing very well from being a former Drill Sergeant, when mistakes become repetitive, it is the responsibility of the instructor, period. It has become very clear also that Coach Whiz truly believes his system is right and THE formula for winning. Clearly, it is not. We absolutely DO NOT have the personnel to rub a 3-4 defense. I would love to hear someone, other than Georgiebird, argue that point. I am tired of hearing “we have work to do, it will be fixed” along with all the other “excuses”. I have been watching teams with new coaches, new QB’s, new coordinators, new system, and they are playing well and having success, and many are playing more difficult schedules. This team has incredible talent that is being being entirely wasted because of one glaring thing. They are poorly coached, period. There is not today, yesterday, or in the future another excuse for the failure of this team. Rod Graves has proven to be an ineffective GM, Whiz, while a very smart man, clearly can’t handle a head coach position. In fact, the only people that should be kept are John Lott, and the Machine, and I say this because the players are kept in great condition and injuries have been minimal. Some people would attribute that to luck, but I firmly believe it is indicative of excellent conditioning and training. I say all of these things without anger or with absolutely nothing personal intended toward anyone, it is just time to man up and admit this will go on perennially unless major changes are made.

    Conrad Dobler was my fathers favorite player when I was just learning to appreciate the game and was one of my first favorite players. I have absolutely loved this team since then. I was in High School and can still remember when Neil Lomax had to retire in 1990 because of his bad hip. In fact, although I love this city and state for many reasons, the Cards are the biggest reason i wanted to move here because i could now finally see them on a regular basis and truly have a home town team.

    Again, this is not personal, it isn’t being said in anger, i just want my team to be successful, and with the team management we have now, unfortunately that will never happen. I have, and always will support my team, but we need to bring in proven winners for GM and Head Coaching positions. Warner and Haley bought them some time, but I think its proven last season and now with this horrible start, the talent isn’t being utilized or coached well enough to be successful. My Christmas wish: Graves and Whiz resign.

  110. By J K on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    @GeorgieBird (First paragraph is to answer your question, following paragraphs are to nobody in general)

    I do believe Washington is going to be a great linebacker in this league. I think he’s already proven, in such a short amount of time playing in the NFL, that he is an asset to this team. In a defensive scheme where players aren’t really allowed to shine to the best of their talents he’s been one of the most reliable players. Honestly, since we switched to a full time 3-4 who has really shined? Nobody on the defensive side of the ball. Paris Lenon has had some decent tackling numbers but the stats you really want to see- sacks, INTs, FF, etc… nobody has shined. The closest we came to creating a defensive star was Calais Campbell in 2009. That’s a shame considering we have unbelievable talent like Darnell Dockett on the team who is trying to lead from the front and embrace a new system when he could be on another team with a better suited defensive scheme putting up double digit sacks every year. Imagine him lined up on that Vikings defense. Forget about it. To be honest as far as a 3-4 scheme goes Daryl Washington is the only thing on this team that gives me hope we can build a reliable 3-4 defense.

    It’s real easy to blame the coach and to some extent I’d agree, but people have to take on individual responsibility. Unless you’re the boss you don’t get to pick your teammates or your coach in this life. Regardless if you’re talking about the gridiron or where you work. Clearly there are some locker room issues. Kolb pretty much openly said it when he called out players not showing up for work on time and putting in the necessary effort.

    Clearly Whisenhunt is trying to change the culture here. And that’s never going to be an easy thing to do. Especially when you’re dealing with million dollar athletes who are driven by their own egos. The one constant you can say about this team if you’ve watched them your whole life is that there has never been a constant. How about we stick with a coach who has a plan, comes from a good system, and we try to embrace that system. I’m pretty sure it has served the Steelers fairly well for the last couple dozen years. Or am I mistaken by saying that? All these fans act like they know the game better than a couple of hall of fame inductees like Russ Grimm and co.? One guy said run the ball on 2nd and 1. Hmm.. maybe it didn’t work out in that one instance and certainly it hasn’t in a couple more, but I’m pretty sure any football fanatic can tell you that 2nd and 1 is a perfect situation to go for a big payoff style play at times. Lady luck may not operate in our favor this season but I can assure you in 2008 there were a couple huge payoff plays in 2008 on 2nd and short when she was operating in our favor. That’s just the game. You take the good with the bad, but the important thing is you have a plan. If you’ve got the ball around mid field why not go for a big payoff on 2nd and short?

    So, in closing I say each individual Cardinal player takes a good, hard, honest look at themselves over the bye week. They drop their ego and disbelief

  111. By AZCoyotes on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Baseball is boring, basketball sucks, the Coyotes have no ownership and the Cardinals stink. What the hell do I do?

  112. By J K on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    – disbelief in Ray Horton, or Russ Grimm, or Ken Whisenhunt, whoever it may be- and they give their best effort for the rest of the season. Leave nothing to be questioned about their own work ethic and their own willingness to adapt to different leadership styles. Give Whiz and co. an opportunity to implant the right style of players into this system, and let it play out through his contract. Don’t overreact, and don’t jump to conclusions. Do your best like you’re being paid millions of dollars to do, leave nothing to be questioned, and let the chips fall as they may.

    As a fan it would just be really nice to see some continuity on this team and to give Whiz time to implement his system. I remember 2 years ago people were calling for Dennis Erickson to be fired, and now he looks like a genius. Let coaches have time to implement their system.

    On Whiz’s side- please, please, please give play calling ability to an offensive coordinator. This is a meet in the middle situation. I have faith as a fan, but you need to do this for the team. If you want others to have faith in you then you must show you have faith in them.

  113. By Darren Urban on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    JK —

    RE: OC

    I’m not sure how this got to this point, but to you and others, Whisenhunt is not calling plays. Mike Miller is.

  114. By soares20 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Come on Cardinals fans Kolb had a few weeks to learn a completely new system as well as only having a few starts under his belt. I say give Kolb and the coaching staff 3 more years to see if we can turn Kolb into a franchise QB and if not we get a couple of great draft picks and some new coaches, and maybe in another 10 years the Cardinals front office will find someone to give us consistent winning seasons……maybe

  115. By azlongboarding on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    if we beat pittsburgh and dallas in front of their bandwagon fans this season will be a success for me. Go Cards!

  116. By hrop on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    bad news for Cards fans, we never get Luck, because Dolphins have brain and take him (0-16).

  117. By Kevin on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    How to beat Cardinals offense

    double team Larry and Rush Kolb.

    How to beat Cardinals defense

    throw deep.. Our corners can not cover anyone.

    We need another go to guy (wide receiver).. Deucet is not the answer.. Remember when we had Fitz, Bouldin and Breaston. Even if Kurt was getting rushed, he could pass to any of three quickly because someone was always open. Once they double team Larry and rush Kolb, now he has no one to throw it to..

  118. By D on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Everyone needs to calm down…this year will continue to be rough, say a top ten draft pick, but it’s silly to want Whiz gone…give him more time this offseason with Kolb. Kolb still has started less than a full year in his career, you need to give him more time with the offense and his players….some young players will get good reps the rest of this year which will help players like Housler and Acho.
    Changes needed for next year would be to draft your starting left tackle for the next 5-8 years in the first round and use a later pick in draft to find another right tackle to develop. Add a speedy 2nd WR, like a Meacham plus you get back a healthy RB in Williams and the offense will be much improved.
    Defense needs a solid pass rusher, maybe another inside LB, leaving Acho and Schofield to compete for the other OLB and bring in youth at safety. Extend Campbell and you have a solid DLine with Dockett, Williams, Carter and Campbell and you have two good young corners in Jefferson and Peterson…next year will be much better…

  119. By Mario on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    Thanks for all you do…it looks like it is going to be another lonnnng season. Hang in there.

    I like that Beanie Wells is stepping up his game. It feels like the light has turned on for him and that is great. I can’t say the same for the rest of the team. They all look small, slow and confused. They have little confidence in what they are doing and that leads me to believe they have not bought into the system on both sides of the ball. It’s disturbing to see considering they came out with a fire in the first two games. Any chance we see the younger LB’s now?

  120. By Darren Urban on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Mario —

    RE: Younger LBs

    I would think that, but I just don’t know.

  121. By Brandon LA on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Beanie plowing over Griffin is going to be my cardinals moment to obsess over this week.

    Other than that… this team gets worse every game it plays.

  122. By KurtM on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Joey Porter needs to get his walkin papers that man has nothing left

  123. By Barry on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    getting tired of the coaches lousy excuses on what “needs” to be worked on and actually do it. As Azcentral is doing a “what would you do?” I’d fire most of the coaching staff and start over….its getting old and getting worse…no improvements here…Defense falters and o-line fails to an 0-4 team….reallly?? what can you say to make it sound better??
    Everyone on that team is to blame, but it starts up top!!

    Levi Brown…I’ll say it again….worst draft pick ever…almost as bad as M. leinart but, we continue to start the guy….sack after sack after sack…

    uggh!!! Wake up!!!

    Frustereated in Peoria,AZ

  124. By D. Robles on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Wow, Can they still move to L.A.? Anybobdy want some free cardinals Jerseys & my license plate too?

  125. By Procen on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


    Who is the quarterback coach? I see Kolb is having problem reading the defense because he’s taking too much time holding on to the football. I know I should not compared him to Kurt but Kurt releases the ball quickly. The offensive line performance is worse than last year and someone needs to fix the problem.

  126. By Darren Urban on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Procen —

    RE: QB coach

    The quarterbacks coach is Chris Miller.

  127. By Az in Canada on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    o man school is gonna suck tomorrow. im another person who thinks that the 4-3 would work ten times better with this team. but we all know that that’s not gonna happen. i would say that in the next 4 weeks there’s only one game that i think we have a chance in (rams), but if im honest with myself, i know that that’ll be another loss.

  128. By wnycardfan on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Okay, I’m putting my rage in here because I’m so ticked off….
    Some have said it and I now fully agree, the coaching staff is not working. I don’t know why, but the play over last 2 – 3 years shows that they are not IT for the cards. Eric summed it up nicely. Blown out by a sad MN team. Loss to a crummy (at the time) seahawks. Last years fiasco of a year. They are consistently bad and making same mistakes. They are truly a laughing stock. Seahawks just beat the Giants (and they FLEW to the east coast, how is that possible???). SF is hot with a new coach and a “washed up” QB. I’m not trying to be hard headed, but holy crap, everyone had a short preseason, tons are playing with rookies or new personnel/coaches, and even if they are not winning, they look better then we do. We stink ,BAD. I can’t go to home games even if I wanted to (live in NY) but I don’t know how you can pay for this and feel good. I’ve read some stories, have you seen the adjectives they give to this team? Bumbling AZ, lack of Offense, “we knew DEF was bad, but..” I mean who wants to have their team be talked about like that? ALL THE TIME. Sorry, if it were up to me, I wouldn’t be waiting ONE more year to see if Whiz can get his ideas working. He’s had the team going on 5 years. His record is a losing one. Time for a change. If there were promise, if they showed an increase in potential, etc… OK. I haven’t seen it. Its been a downhill slide since SB year. His rear along with a few other coaches (and you know who they are) would be in the BOSS’s office today getting their butts chewed off and their jobs legitimately threatened (ie, if I don’t see big changes in the next few weeks, you are out of here)

  129. By wnycardfan on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    One more thing for the “give him a chance” crowd………..I know this is AZ, a bit less intense, a bit less demanding, but go check out Philadelphia, NY, Dallas, etc crowd on their teams when they perform poorly and see how their fans react AND how their coaches react, then compare their histories……

  130. By kirk on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Yesterdays game was so frustrating. Beanie seems to run his best
    straight thru the line before changing directions. Most direction changes
    behind the line end up as a loss. Is that a Beanie decision or are the coaches
    asking him to change direction behind the line? Play calling still plagues the
    offense, can’t we run to set up play action or screens, how bout a flee flicker,
    reverse anything different? Our play calling and selection seems to have left with Haley. How about we use Kolb’s ability to roll out of the pocket as a play design? A-dub better suited as a LB, we need help both at safety and LB, especially pass rushers. Its looking like another long year for the cardinal faithful. Come on cards, give us something to cheer about.

    PS> I didn’t think Kolb was going to be the answer, and am more convinced of
    that now. I still hope he proves me wrong…Feel bad for J. Skelton, I think his
    size and ability is better suited to our team right now ….

  131. By J K on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


    Thanks for clearing that up. I stand by my belief in Whisenhunt as a coach but I did take issue with him calling plays in years previous. Glad to know he’s fixed it and just another thing that goes to show he’s got a plan and is on the right track in my opinion

  132. By David C. on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I hate to beat a dead horse, but I think this team would have been better with Matt Leinart behind center. Matt spent four seasons in this system, whether he could have developed into a “franchise QB” is debatable, but Whisenhunt’s personal grudge with him has cost this franchise years of competitive football. Looking back now, do you wish we would have given Leinart a shot?

  133. By Darren Urban on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    David C —

    RE: Leinart

    If you are asking me about having Leinart in 2010, yes, I wish he would have been kept around. If you are talking about long-term, I don’t think he was the answer.

  134. By cfansinc75 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Ottis Anderson Fan is dead on w/ his Alex Smith comment . . . I didn’t think I could feel any worse about this team, but I do now.

  135. By Travis on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    What will we do when we are in line for Luck? Throw him to the wolves and then let whiz pull him out and breath down his neck until he plays perfect? That is what happened with Matt, Derek, Hall, Skelton last year.(not to mention the carousel at running back the last few years, imagine if Ryan should not get injured!) We need to se some accountability from this staff! When my business dosen’t succed, I don’t blame my staff!
    I was a Cardinals fan before this idiot, and will be after!


  136. By Mike Ellingboe on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Curiosity question for all those who only credit Warner back in 2008/2009. What happened during 05-07?

    I will agree that I don’t like the 3-4 either (never have) but I can’t ignore the fact that both Super Bowl teams last year ran it. Remembering as well that GB gave up 51 points in it the year before they won the Super Bowl.

    At this level, more often than not the choice of a starting QB is what makes or breaks even the best of coaches, and unfortunately the choices Whisenhunt has made since Warner’s retirement have led to a 3-13 regular season record in our past 16 games but he’s not alone. Bill Belichick went 36-44 in five seasons in Cleveland. Kind of a different tune in New England with some guy named Brady taking the snaps, right? I don’t think you’ll hear anyone questioning his football knowledge. More examples? How has Shanahan done since Elway retired? Granted, the Skins are off to a good start but there’s a lot of season left, and I don’t think most see them as a legit Super Bowl contender.

    Clearly, it’s the QB/coach combination that needs to be in place. While I wasn’t entirely sold on him at the time, I’ve seen enough of Kolb to believe he’ll be a very good QB. For as frustrating as our start has been, tearing everything apart now would be a big mistake. Typically it takes time to acclimate to a new offense, even with a guy like Warner.

  137. By David C. on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I totally agree he may not have been the answer. But Whisenhunt owed it to the franchise to find out. He did not do that, and I think he should be held accountable for the mistakes he’s made in personnel, as well as in coaching. I’m a season ticket holder, and I can tell you my renewal will be based solely on what the organization does to remedy this problem. And at this point, I expect nothing less than a full management change.

  138. By zahid on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    @david c, i also think wiz threw away a season with no good excuse
    Our playcalling is sometimes confulsing. i wonder if the staff is coaching to the strenghs of thier players and it dousnt look like kolb trusts guys to make playes while he seems pretty incapable of doing anything above and beyond. i dont know what to say.

  139. By tim on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    This is so tiring. I’m glad this is a bye week. I have come to believe a 3/4 defense only works with good, fast linebackers, if then. 4/3 is a standard for a reason, it works. Young corners need a pass rush. Can they even execute a screen play? We hear ” simplify the offense” . How complex was it? Oh man, my head hurts, it’s going on IR.

  140. By BIIRDISTHEWORD on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    SMH…wow is all i can really say….

  141. By D. Robles on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Do you think the DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR will be on the FIELD with HIS DEFENSE anytime soon…..???

  142. By jonnyb on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    kolb is not bad from 20 yard line to 20 yard line but his red zone and pocket presence is not there and 50 million or somethin like that for never being proven why not an older vet for 2 or 3 years so skelton can learn from someone that knows wat they are doing Darren if he doesnt win 5 games do ya think they will restucter his contract he has not shown he desrves it

  143. By Richard S. on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Let’s go Indy, let’s go Miami – start winning. We can handle St. Louis ourselves. Let’s get that Stanford QB and some defensive players who can tackle.

  144. By Andy M on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikings game showed a franchise that has taken a step back. The talent is improved from last year, but this is a team without intensity or commitment. To be only four games into the season prior to yesterday and be so ill-prepared shows a lack of leadership. The Cardinals were going through the motions. Adrian Wilson was repeatedly out of position on both passes and runs. Joey Porter was a non-entity. Kolb seems way over his head, out of position, slow to identify what is happening and without confidence. Dockett whets our appetites with one or two good plays and then is out of position and ineffectual. These are some of the Cardinals supposed leaders. Nobody is making plays because there is no intensity. It has to start with the coaches. Sure, Kolb will get better, but this is a team that looks like it has already given up–in early October! Yesterday, I kept thinking of the many games during the Warner years where the Cardinals were 2-3 touchdowns behind but you could tell that the team always believed they could come back. That feeling was not evident yesterday. It felt more like a pre-season game–“let’s work on things and whatever happens, happens”.

  145. By David C. on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    @zahid Yeah, I don’t understand why fans, and reporters give Whisenhunt a pass for last season. He caused that downward spiral by creating a QB controversy and cutting his starting quarterback just because he didn’t like the kid. Wasn’t Whisenhunt touted as a offensive and quarterback guru when we first brought him in? Weren’t we sold on him coming in to tutor Leinart like he supposedly did for Big Ben in Pittsburgh? Glad he lived up to his billing. Look, somewhere during the Super Bowl run, Whisenhunt lost touch with reality. He started believing “his system” was magic, when instead it was a Hall of Famer with a chip on his shoulder (Warner). He’s allowed his ego to make moves detrimental to the organization. He’s intoxicated with power. It shows in his personnel moves, how we’ve weeded “Denny’s guys” out for his own, despite the apparent talent drop off. I’ve never felt this bad about the team. I’ve never felt it was so hopeless. I just hope the Bidwells realize the mistake and move quickly this offseason to repair it before they lose their new fanbase.

  146. By georgiebird on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    With the sad state of affairs for us Cardinals’ fans, there’s only one thing that may allow us to finally see a Championship- it’s called Everlasting Life.

  147. By David C. on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Just to build upon my point, I Google’d a few stories about Whisenhunt’s arrival and came across this gem, courtesy of ESPN:

    “Arizona was seeking a coach to work with quarterback Matt Leinart, and Whisenhunt’s development of Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh impressed the Cardinals’ brass. Arizona also has solid young players on defense and Whisenhunt might retain current coordinator Clancy Pendergast to lead that unit.”

  148. By Scott H on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    “…we have a chance to have good players.”

    Did he mean this year, or at some point in the future???

    WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT EVEN MEAN??? That sounds like something a person says when they really don’t know what to say.

  149. By dynasty1717 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Hate to say it, but it is time to rebuild this year for next. Whiz should go ahead, bite the bullet, and start some of the young guys. The only way you get better is through real game experience. How much worse could it get, really? Carter should start on the line and the linebackers should be Acho, Washington, Bradley, and Schofield. On WR, go ahead and plug in Sampson as the #2 and use Doucet as your slot receiver. Of course Housler would need to start too.

    Coaching – Miller has got to go and we will need a new OC with some experience calling plays next year. I’ll be surprised if Todd Haley is not available after this year.

    Darren – loaded question – If Todd Haley was available and the Cards decided to make a change at OC, would he be considered? (Not sure he should be the Card’s first choice, but I’m just curious if he left on good terms with Whiz and Management).

    I’m still hoping the defense will get better after more games, so we should keep Horton for at least 3 years. This is sad for me to suggest, but poor Grimm has run his coures as the OL coach. For years, we have been pitiful at both run blocking and pass protection, so either we are not drafting the appropriate people, can’t coach, or both. My guess is both.

    I know there are many of you who are done with Whiz. Personally I think he is a very good head coach who has made some poor decisions selecting his other coaches (I know, I know, that is a big part of being a good head coach). However, I think there is hope for the future with Whiz. Graves, on the other hand, needs to go. To give up DRC and a second round for Kolb is criminal. We all knew it, why didn’t Graves?

    So, in summary, 1)start the young guys, 2)replace Miller, 3) replace Grimm, and replace Graves. Anybody agree?

  150. By Darren Urban on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Dynasty —

    RE: Haley

    Regardless of situation, I can say I do believe Haley left on good terms.

  151. By steve on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    I am totally disappointed in this team…. However, with a little luck a defensive stop here and there, a field goal kicker with a bigger leg –we could have been 4-0 going into this game …. I don’t think Kolb is the problem ‘yet’– I mean he has a good upside: strong, accurate arm, good mobility – I think his pocket awareness is lacking “ONLY’ because he is not familiar with the system — I do think that Joey Porter should be demoted, also think maybe consider signing Terrell Owens for the remainder of the season (he will come cheap and he brings a nastiness with him), As far as Whisenhunt goes — he needs to rally this team, I mean if they go 3-8 the remainder of the year he should be fired… but he can also go 8-3 (there are some winnable games in there)—- At one time I loved the guy, but he makes questionable decisions (I still and always thought we should have given Matt Leinart a chance!)… Hopefully they turn it around

  152. By joe on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Man we went after Kolb like we had inside info from God himself. No one could have predicted this ( even though I did) but we would have been better off drafting a young guy like mallett (whom i was rooting for, and he looked like the second coming of brady iin the preseason) in the second round and struggled like this all year while he learned the ropes but then we would not be on the hook for 70 something millions dollers we are stuck with Kolb. New prediction……. The bid loves the whiz so he coaches for 4 more losing seasons before he is let go wasting draft after draft Kolb flashes and gives everyone hope, makes and loses one playoff game before being cut and picked up by atlanta as a backup qb in 3 years meanwhile 49niners get better seahawks get better st loius gets better and we stay the same old cardinals. I was on the whiz bandwagon for awhile but when you think about it if it weren’t for lienhart getting hurt and Warner carrying the team for a couple years then what would he have accomplished.

  153. By Aussie Cardinal on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren, 2 Quick but difficult questions

    1. What do you see as the weakest position within the team, and that the team would hugely benefit from an upgrade? (name need not be mentioned)

    2. As you mentioned earlier the “Porter for-Acho” more than “Porter for Schofield” says a lot about both. Does that mean that Schofield isn’t developing as fast as Acho/ perorming as well?

  154. By Darren Urban on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Aussie Cardinal —

    RE: Questions

    1) I do have to chuckle when you say names need not be mentioned. Obviously, just saying positions pretty much names names right? But right now, I tend to agree with most people, that they need better play/upgrade at pass rush and tackle.
    2) I find it hard to believe you can think anything else with the situation.

  155. By Aussie Cardinal on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


    Thanks for your views. Keep up the good reporting.
    Maybe convince some of the players to take a trip down under sometime? 😉

  156. By TucsonTim on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Several people including myself complained about the 3-4 last year. Darren told us that since that is what was practiced in the OTAs and training camp it was impossible to change during the season. Teams just didn’t do that. Too complicated.

    The whole mess over changing from the 4-3 to the 3-4 is the personification of Whiz’s coaching style. I’m sure the offense is equally afflicted, we just don’t see it in the way they line up…only in the way they perform.

  157. By cards62 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    Very good discussion and a lot of great points made by many posters.

    Kolb I have not made my mind up yet, but it is troubling as he seems to be regressing and not getting better. I sure wish we would have picked up a # 2 for him, and kept Timmy to work with Beanie. Minnesota weakness is covering backs out of the backfield one of Timmy strengths. Beanie was always my choice, but you need 2 backs and we had 2 in their prime so why not roll the dice on them for 1 more year and pickup an OLB with our second pick. We kept Doucet for one more year and that is working out for us. A solid # 3 receiver. Housler looking good so I hope we get to see him more. I think he can be special.

    Why do you guys continue to defend Russ Grimm? How long has he been here?
    Name me one good offensive line we had during his tenure? Just becuase you can play the game does not mean you can evaluate talent and coach others to their potential. All of us knew for 3 years we needed to upgrade our line especially OT and yet nothing has been done. If any of you were our offensive line coach wouldn’t you have been yelling at Ken W. and Rod G. to get you a tackle or two, and tried Levi Brown at G? Tell me honestly how many of you would pay $ 9 million dollars of your own money to have Levi Brown be your LT or RT? Please go on record and tell me yes Steve I will pay Levi Brown this money he is that good.

    Every team has injuries and situations that is football, but we seem to be hurt most at secondary this year. No DRC, no Toler, and now no Rhodes. We have Wilson left or 25% of our starters from last season and of the 4 which is the last guy you want to see in coverage. I thought so WIlson, me to. So you amatuers and I include myself in that description what do you do? Simple Steve you pressure the QB to help your secondary. Okay I agree with you now for 2 years we are running the 3 -4 and really not getting to the QB with our personnel so what would you try? I am not saying a 4-3 is a better defense or the 3 -4 is a better defense, but I am saying you are the Coach of the Cardinals today and your team needs a spark so what would you do? Please tell me your ideas. Now me I am going to try and light a fire under my boys and switch for the next few games only to a 4 – 3. I already know the 3-4 will not work with what I have as I have seen it for years now I can not guarantee you the 4 -3 will be better and it could be worse, but with what I have to work with today I am going to give it a shot. DD and CC I consider 2 of our best 4 players on defense and they may be 1 and 2. So why do I want to tie them up and give Porter, Haggans, Acho, or Scoefield 1 -1 when I can give it to one of these guys? Occassionally I will blitz them or Washington and especially I will sneak Wilson up for run support and blitz. This is what I would do and I am interested in what you would do?

    I would also work my team very very hard over the next two weeks as their efforts and preparation is not good enough.

    Go Cards

  158. By David C. on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply

    But on the bright side everyone, Whiz has filled our team up with a lot of “moxie”.

  159. By suspence716 on Oct 10, 2011 | Reply


    I completely agree with u and have since week two. After week one, u called for T.O. actually in the preseaon u did. Problem is the cardinals are more interested in what color jersey they are going to wear than who is on the field. I love how darren tip toes around all the real issues like adding a true #2 WR. I’ve been calling for randy moss and/ or T.O. since week two Darren says they’d be a virus to the locker room. Really? Cuz our locker room is so tight n positive? Get real retardinals, theres a reason why you constantly suck! This organization couldn’t put a team together to save the planet. Also, i’ve been asking for the addition of leonard davis and benny sapp. Its so dam easy to put a team together i just don’t get it. But nah, eff it, lets just be the worst team in the league again cuz either way the bidwells are making millions. Even with the number one overall pick i bet they trade it away or draft a complete bust cuz ken w. is a complete idiot when it comes to judging talent. Grow up cardinals! Might as well hire the fans to run this franchise, why not? It couldnt be any more of a joke. They ought to IQ test a handfull of fans that actually care about this sorry a$$ football team and take the top ten to run this franchise. I bet within three years we would be back in the playoffs. I’m sick of seeing this same throwup on the field every week!

  160. By UC on Oct 11, 2011 | Reply


    Don’t mean to pick on you, you’re just the latest to bring this up. If Kenny proved that he was a good coach, his demeanor would be irrelevant. Belichick doesn’t emote all that much, but I’d trade him for Kenny in an instant.


    I don’t agree entirely with your defensive changes, but yours would be a whole lot better than what the setup is now. Every game that Dockett and Campbell play in a 3-4 is just another lost opportunity for them to have more sacks. It’s pathetic, especially since the periodic desperation 4-3 towards the end of last year worked so well. For the people complaining about the team not having pass rushers, the Cardinals DO have them, Kenny’s just not using them to pass rush.

    The Cardinals have more player talent than any other team in the NFC West, those players just aren’t being used properly. To anyone who doubts that, look at the rosters of the Seahawks and 49ers, then look at what their second-year and rookie head coaches are doing, and don’t forget to factor in the fact that Seattle lost Hasselbeck.

  161. By Jay Hughes on Oct 11, 2011 | Reply

    I have been a fan of this team since 1970 and there have been a few time when this team played like an NFL franchise. Sunday wasn’t one of them. When is this defense going to show up and play a complete game? Is there going to be any consistancy on the offensive side of the ball. I had a bad feeling before the game that this team wasn’t going to be ready to play on sunday and they prooved it by their performance. Living here in the Midwest and seeing the rest of the division improove and us get worse is hard to take. I hope that with the off week that we can fix some of the problems and at least finish with a .500 record. That might save the coaches job.

  162. By GACardFan on Oct 11, 2011 | Reply

    Perhaps I see things a little differently. What I saw in the Minnesota game was a team that made some big mistakes early. They were blindsided by the perfect storm of unfortunates. Then Minnesota continually had the ball for most of the first quarter. As a result the defense was winded. They practically played 10 minutes straight giving up points in that kind of a situation in easy to do. AFTER everything got screwed up in the first you see a different game. For the remainder of the game the Cards outscore their opponent. Yes, they miss a lot of opportunities. Yes, they are unable to come back. But they did show a little fight. Doucet looks good. Housler looks good. Porter would have had that sack if emotions weren’t so high he was aiming to blast McNabb instead of just get him down, be honest, he was ticked. D’Anthony Batiste came in for Colledge and didn’t look to be flustered. Beanie blasted that poor DB. There were some fun things to watch. If the score had ended 17-34 or 20-34 (Kolb getting sacked out of FG range) I think the feeling would be a bit different. Peterson is the best RB in football of course he is going to destroy winded opponents.

  163. By GACardFan on Oct 11, 2011 | Reply

    One more. Everyone is so determined to see things badly that they are not taking a moment to look at the positives and draw out the potential. These guys will get it done eventually. This is only year 2 after Warner, imagine having a slump like the Lions or Panthers did. Their fan bases didn’t disappear.

    And D. Wash looked beast despite the loss, some of his hits were rockin.

  164. By Scott H on Oct 11, 2011 | Reply

    dynasty1717 –

    RE: Whiz should just bite the bullet and start playing the young guys…

    Oh, you mean like he did with Skelton last year??? Good luck with that…

  165. By Eazy E on Oct 13, 2011 | Reply

    Man, we are in BIG trouble. To lose to a winless team in the Vikings even though they should have been 4-0 or at least 3-1 is embarrassing. Kolb had another poor game. He turned it over 3 times including 2 picks and a fumble. He only completed 50% of his passes and didn’t have big yardage or average to make up for it. The running game couldn’t be that effective because of the huge hole we got in in less than a quarter. Fitz is playing so well, because we have NOBODY opposite him that they(opponents) are scared of. Early had 8 catches and 92 yards, he’s been playing so much better than Andre, how did he get the #2 job again??? Again, we need T.O. so bad because our offense isn’t explosive besides Fitz and Beanie and a little Heap and Early here and there. Offensive Line at Tackle is also holding the offense back. Levi gave up a couple more sacks, but to be fair, it did get out of hand and they just pinned their ears back and killed us. Jeremy Bridges didn’t have his best game either, but I like him alot better than Keith. Defense got ran over by All Day Adrian Peterson WOW!!! OLBs aren’t contributing enough at all. Joey and Clark only have 1 sack COMBINED! You just can’t have that inept of a pass rush from that position in a 3-4. I’m glad Acho got more snaps, we need to do something at that position. Daryl is a bright spot though, collecting our only sack and making plays even in a blowout. Patrick Peterson, AD’s brother from another mother, had a tough game. He showed him no mercy. He ran through Patrick on some plays and Patrick has identical size but obviously it’s Adrian Peterson I’m talking about. Losing Kerry for a few weeks with that broken foot is a huge loss. We most likely won’t be able to hold the fort down with Rashad and Considine. Big loss for our D in coverage and tackling against the run. This bye may do us good, because right now even though we’ve been close or should have won in every game except this one, but should’ve could’ve would’ve, we look like one of the worst teams in the NFL right now with all this losing. We have Pittsburgh who may be reeling a bit but will be tough and then Baltimore on the road the next 2 weeks OUCH! Go Cards, I believe in ya but man those are tough games to win for any team. We also definitely could use Kerry in all games especially these huge ones the next 2 weeks SHEESH!!!

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