Kolb, his footwork and the future

Posted by Darren Urban on October 24, 2011 – 2:05 pm

Sunday, quarterback Kevin Kolb said he felt like he was making progress. Monday, coach Ken Whisenhunt said the progress is there in some places. In other places, not enough — like Kolb and his footwork.

Footwork means a lot of things to a quarterback, from his depth of drops to his balance while throwing. It’s the latter Whisenhunt wants to see improve.

“In this league, you have to be able to throw the ball from all kinds of different angles,” Whisenhunt said. “You see guys do that all the time. But he’s getting his body in bad position because of his footwork and that’s what we have to change. A lot of those plays where he’s running out of the pocket are because of his footwork and we have to get that corrected. He has to step up in the pocket and make some of those throws.”

Whisenhunt said the missed throw to tight end Rob Housler “was purely a footwork thing.” Kolb’s footwork was good on plays like the dump pass to The Hyphen for the 73-yard touchdown (pictured below) and the deep pass to Larry Fitzgerald for 31 yards. When Whisenhunt sees plays like the latter, he believes Kolb can emerge as the kind of quarterback the Cardinals seek.

Whiz clearly didn’t want to single out Kolb for a lack of progress, even when asked directly about Kolb’s progress thus far. “I don’t think anybody is progressing at the rate we need to go forward,” Whisenhunt said. “I think you’re naive if you say that.”

Kolb’s lone interception came on a protection mistake by the interior line, “which is unacceptable.” On the safety, the Steelers ended up with a different front than expected for the situation. The Steelers had five men at the line of scrimmage — two standup outside linebackers, three down linemen — and at the snap, the right outside man dropped into coverage. The line blocked the way it was supposed to, although it left linebacker LaMarr Woodley coming off the edge free. Certainly it wasn’t ideal, but Kolb needed to recognize the play and get rid of the ball.

The reason offensive coordinator Mike Miller was on the sideline for the first time Sunday was to allow for better communication with the quarterback too. “As much time as Mike and Kevin spend during the week … he gives (plays) to him on the practice field,” Whisenhunt said. “That’s the thinking with that. We’re trying to make him more comfortable.”

(And no, don’t expect a quarterback change. John Skelton was elevated to second-string Sunday, but Whisenhunt said the Cards just wanted him 100 percent healthy from his ankle sprain, which Skelton has been for a while, actually. Post-bye was an easy time to swap them.)

After each loss, it’s been popular for the “If the Cards keep losing and get the No. 1 pick, do they pick Luck?” question. Way too early to ask. That’s a December question or even January, after they have worked with Kolb for a season. Now? Premature is an understatement.

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102 Responses to “Kolb, his footwork and the future”

  1. By Kurt on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Whom ever snags the #1 pick will grab luck, even if they have to trade him. Looks like the Colts will do whatever is required.

  2. By Chris on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Do you think the Cardinals would be willing to trade Dockett after the season? Especially if they were offered a second round pick for him? He would be more valuable in a 43 and maybe they could draft a true DE because Dockett doesn’t seem to be getting it done anymore.

  3. By Darren Urban on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Chris —

    RE: Dockett

    I don’t think Darnell is going anywhere. And I think part of “not getting it done” has to do with his responsibilities rather than lack of ability.

  4. By Codyw on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    if we lose to baltimore next sunday this season is pretty much a rap im kinda hoping we lose the rest of the games so we get that first pick in the draft and if the cardinals are smart they will get andrew luck i just dont think kolb is anywhere near franchise material

  5. By C on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply


    I’ve heard “unacceptable” used in just about every Whiz presser off of a loss. This year, with a 1-5 record, what kind of personnel changes have been made in light of “unacceptable” play? Has any thought at all been given to shifting Levi Brown to guard? I think he’d be a road grater inside and it’s quite obvious he has no chance of being a successful tackle in this league.

    Not to say we have someone to jump in at LT, but… this just illustrates the question… if things are “unacceptable”, how do you make them “acceptable” with the personnel on the roster? Or do you?

  6. By Darren Urban on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    C —

    RE: “Unacceptable”

    A very very good question …

  7. By Phoenixraven1 on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    At least there was some progress with Kolb…but missing Housler for a wide open TD two weeks in a row is horrible! In person/live it was way worse!

  8. By NickSpringfield on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve noticed Kolbs poor footwork.

    Even with no pressure he is throwing off his back foot most of the time. He needs to develop better pocket presence and step into his throws. He also seems unsure at times and throws late.

    I believe he is a good quarterback. He just needs to stop his Favre impersonation.

  9. By B on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Without Kurt Warner…Whis is a BELOW AVERAGE coach.

    Team can’t win with this crappy staff.

    3-4 is not working’s making a probowler 9-0 look like a bum.ZERO pass rush either.

  10. By Nick Pepe on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Wish I had something poignant to add. There is enough overstating of the obvious. Hope to see the game in Baltimore. Work hard everyone and have a good week.

    Nick Pepe
    Lifetime Member

  11. By Honda Doug on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Same ole song and dance, the only thing worse is being a Colts fan.

  12. By Matt in Philly on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Whisenhunt is right in saying that Kolb isn’t the only one to blame for how poorly the team is playing. But, what’s going to hurt more than anything this season is looking back at the terrible decision-making by the front office that has left this team so deep in the hole.

    We have to look at the whole orchestra of moves that went on to get Kolb. We basically gave up, DRC, a first-round pick, and a second round picks for Kolb. Here’s why I put it this way:

    Trading DRC meant that we had to fill a hole at CB, when there were other holes present. Had we kept DRC, we’d have been able to use that first rounder on a OLB or a DE or an OT. (I doubt I’ll be able to find it in comments section of a long-ago blog entry, but before the draft I was screaming for Aldon Smith.) Then we traded a second rounder for Kolb.

    Now, we find ourselves needing to get depth at safety (b/c Wilson and Johnson are liabilities), get some semblence of a pass-rusher at OLB, get TWO offensive tackles, get a true #2 receiver, and maybe even find a real QB. All that without a second round pick and a huge investment in Kolb. We’re in trouble for years to come.

  13. By Jon L on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    I think alot of people are overreacting to the cards current situation. What should be expected of a team with a new QB, 2 new staring CB’s and a new def. coordinator with no off-season.

  14. By Darren Urban on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Jon L —

    RE: Reaction

    Different people are going to react differently. That’s how I see it.

  15. By Chad on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    The answer is yes, you get Luck. Or you trade down and get a whole lot in return. But we won’t be there. We will win a few more.

    I’ve noticed Kolb’s footwork from the stands, but I think it can be corrected.

    If one or two players are underperforming, it is the player. If ever single player is underachieving it is the coaching. “C” said it perfectly, if we are unacceptable it is up to coaching staff to make it acceptable by changing personnel or schemes. But in this case, I think we need our coaches to adapt playbook to our players instead of making players play out of their strengths. Why Dockett is ineffective is ALL on Ray Horton. That goes across board w other players as well.

    Darren, on TV it seems like team is lacking a vocal leader on the field. I saw Kolb hit the ground on the Housler miss, but other than that it looks like the team expects things to go wrong. I didn’t see anybody upset about the safety. They play with emotion, but doesn’t seem to channel that emotion properly. Is that just me?

  16. By Darren Urban on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Chad —

    RE: Vocal leader

    Here is the problem with looking for a vocal leader. To me, the guy has to be vocal in the first place. Second, he has to be playing well. A guy not playing well and then getting vocal isn’t received well. Who is that right now?

  17. By shortthestock on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Bidwell needs to make a move Soon, show that he cares.

  18. By Victor Sanchez on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    For those that say Whisenhunt is a bad coach without Warner, how many playoff games did the Cardinals win with Coach Green coaching Warner? ZERO!

    Look Warner needed some time to get used to the personnel as well, he didn’t step right in and light the world on fire. Nobody wants to hear it, but we do have a good coaching staff and we have some good core players. Whisenhunt also changed the way Warner played reducing turnovers and having a better pocket prescense. I saw some good plays on Sunday that make me think this team can get better.

    I still believe in this coaching staff that brought us 4 playoff wins and an NFC Championship. I would like to have some continuity on the defensive side and hope the fans can remain patient as the team works through its current woes.

  19. By ndpenner on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Like I said, 3 years out at best. There are flashes, but not enough of them. That and I can see at least 8 new starters (both sides of the ball combined) next season. I hope we pull it together and get some wins. I got tired of playing for draft picks in the pre-Warner era and I’m personally not ready to be there again.

  20. By Thomas on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I thought that Luck is only a junior. Or am I remembering wrong?

  21. By Ron on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Is it just me or does Kolb keep roll away from his bindside always it seems like. Kolb stay in the pocket for a few seconds and then take off. Is it our line or is it Kolb?

  22. By Darren Urban on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Ron —

    RE: Rolling out

    Again, that’s all part of the footwork/comfortable/pocket conversation.

  23. By Gilbert on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    The team is a work in progress Let’s be patient Look at the colts a powerless team
    Without manning They have absolutely. No offence or defense Those guys hav it worse. I don’t believe the cards will draft first. Cuz they will at least win 5 games I’ll see you all for the niners game in dec going from Texas. For the time. Being be easy on the team. See the good

  24. By Jose Gilbert on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Maybe Kolb should start wearing gloves. Luck is a junior but everybody expects him to leave early.

  25. By GW on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    the cards (bidwell) got rid of all the vocal leaders dansby,boldin,rolle and warner(retired) kurt knew what was about to happen he convinced boldin to stay one more year.if the cards would have kept the core of players from the sb team even without warner i think this team would be a whole lot better .

  26. By JK on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    All the more reason to trade Dockett. The franchise can get something for him…He has “responsibilities” in this D. It would be nice to have DRC on this team, “Water Under the Bridge” 🙁

  27. By GW on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    this team need a identity and stop trying to get choir boys this is the nfl there were some players out there that the cards could have pick up to help this team but they are worry about past. i been a cards fan since 76′ i’ve seen a lot of losing seasons no one takes this team seriously and if you notice they never get a top free agent in their prime and that because no one wants to play for the bidwells they come at the end of their careers when no other team would pay them top dollar like emmitt,edge,seth joyner,warner(turn out to be a gem)porter,heap,faneca and haggans.

  28. By Rich on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb will eventually be a very good qb. We got our hopes up too high about this year’s team. They aren’t quite ready yet.

  29. By Rich on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Just wanna say…..the talent and play of Darryl Washington is getting lost in all the drama. This kid can play football !!!!! He’s fun to watch.

  30. By Scott H on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Amazing to me how a front office and coaching staff can fail as miserably as this group has over the past two seasons and yet, somehow, this is ALL the fault of a QB who has been here for about 3 months and played a total of 6 regualr season games so far. Yeah…that makes sense….

    This is NOT a failure of the QB. Um…does Kevin Kolb play defense??? Certainly, Kevin Kolb has been a disappointment. But let’s get to the root of the problem, folks – what we are seeing is the direct result of two consecutive off-seasons during which we have seen a MAJOR exodus of talent and leadership and basically a complete failure to effectively replace what we have lost. It really isn’t any more complicated than that.

    I was amazed during this past off-season when so many people were saying that we were having our best off-season ever and that the moves we were making were so totally awesome. What CRAP that was. People didn’t want to hear it then but…well, you’re seeing it now. Where are all of these “awesome” players??? Unfortunately, this pathetic personnel performance didn’t just occur once – last off-season was just as bad or maybe even worse.

    Blaming Kevin Kolb for this is about a mis-guided about as you could possibly be right now. The problem is FAR bigger than that. Therefore, the solution has to be on just as big a scale. The collective approach of this front office and head coach has resulted in a total and complete failure. Changing just one or the other will not fix the problem – they both have to go. Easier said than done? Yes, definitely. But building a winning, successful organization isn’t supposed to be easy.

    Jeff Fisher should be the next head coach. Let him bring a whole new staff in with him. And consider a GM who has some track record of success. No, they don’t grow on trees. So, you’re going to have to be aggressive – something that has been SORELY lacking around here. That’s why I say it is time to level the house and build another one.

  31. By DW#1FAN on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    We traded one interception machine- DRC for another in Kevin “pussy foot” Kolb. Worst deal ever. Applause to Andy Reid for selling his third worthless Quarterback for a great deal. I wish to God Skelton was in and learning and not this 60 million dollar hype guy. In his defense, our defense is just horible, another reason we should have not traded DRC or a 2nd round pick.

  32. By Rosendo on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Everybody needs to back off Kolb. He’s been with the team 3 months. Rodgers first year went 6-10 and he was with the Packers for 3 years prior, i believe. Giving time I think Kolb will play better and consistant. The rest of the team needs to step it up too.

    Patience is a virtue and that’s what the real Cards fan need to do, have some patience.

  33. By Mike Ellingboe on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply


    You’re correct, Luck is technically a redshirt junior so he does have another year of eligibility if he chooses to use it. A lot of teams could be wishing over nothing (although I doubt it).

  34. By Joram on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren you think we have a chance at the playoffs

  35. By Darren Urban on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Joram –

    RE: postseason

    (Jim Mora voice) Playoffs?!? Playoffs?!? We’re just trying to win a game.

  36. By Matthew on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, do you know what ive noticed? No no.2 receiver is absolutely killing us. Fitzgerald is getting double/tripple covered almost every play, and that is bothering Kolb to the point that he gets uncomftorable after he sees Fitz isnt open. That being a problem do you see the Cardinals going after T.O. I mean what could it really hurt?

  37. By Darren Urban on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Matthew –

    RE: T.O.

    For the final time, the Cards have no interest in Owens.

  38. By Jeremy on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Again with more premature Kolb hate. Just because he hasn’t been playing that well doesn’t mean he is incapable of playing better. He has still yet to start a total of 16 games in his career so any conclusions that he isn’t a good quarterback are coming way too early. One of the people who thinks Kolb is quarterback material is QB guru Andy Reid, so much so that Reid made Kolb the starter last year. That’s one heck of an endorsement. Finally, like we all know, Kolb isn’t playing as good as he can and yet he’s 17th in the NFL in passing yards. Give man a chance!

    PS His biggest problem is footwork and that’s very fixable. The Cards had a couple long touchdown drives against the #1 defense in the NFL on Sunday, something that never would have happened last year. We have 5 passing plays that went for 40+ yards already this year. Last year we had 3.

    One more one more thing. Last year KW kept telling us that DA gave us the best chance to win, and we were right to challenge that. This year, there is no doubt Kolb gives us the best chance to win and the stat sheet proves it.

  39. By SteveDCO on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Hard to see much good in this team.

    3 wins in the last 16 games. The team actually got worse in the offseason.

    DRC is better than PP.
    Toler is better than Jefferson.
    ADub is a year older and injured
    Porter was a must to be replaced.
    Haggens was a must but I will admit he has played great this season.
    Breaston is better than Roberts
    I see three areas the team improved TE with Heap, LG with Colledge and QB with Kolb but it’s not like QB play could have gone down from 2010.

    After 5 and 11 and the promise of change improving the team by 3 players isn’t going to fool fans much longer.

    There has to come a time when the go nuts in FA and add some talent. I get it is based on what the Steelersnhave done but the Steelers have never been void on talent at so many positions like the Cards.

    Be clear I’m not saying sign every high priced player but a lot of midlevel guys to compete for jobs and upgrade the overall talent on this team.

  40. By wnycardfan on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    How sad are we that because everyone is playing poorly there is no one who can be a credible leader. Holy cow. Darren said it and as I read it I thought “he is so right and that is so sad”. Watching MNF, you see some emotion in this game, you see Lewis on fire, leading the def etc… I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in the last few years…. wait, I remember seeing Kurt like that and Boldin like that. hmmmmm. By the way, watching the Raven’s DEF, just mark up the loss now and hopefully Kolb doesn’t get too hurt, its going to be AWFUL. Remember we travel east, we always lose doing that to begin with……………sorry just being honest.
    Well, we are better than the rams (barely) and we keep making ESPN’s top ten list (for the opposing team). Sorry, got to laugh even though you are crying on the inside.

  41. By Brandon LA on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    It’s sad to see us hit a rut early in the season. It’s not going to be easy to break it! However there is no way the cards will quit period(.) No choice but to be patient and rebuild a core with this team that has been depleted over the last couple seasons. No beanie for some time now sucks…he has been fun to watch so far in 2011…

    yay go cards. i’m happy i swear.

  42. By LaRo on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb and Whiz need to go. Kolb shoulda never been traded for
    In the first place

  43. By georgiebird on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    We are back to footwork. Whiz was always after Leinart for his footwork-he even benched him. Now Kolb has footwork problems. You would think that Whiz would have been very, very aware of Kolb’s footwork before he had the Bidwills give away the bank. It’s like selling a house that has a water problem- do you go back on the market and buy another house with a water problem. I think only a fool would repeat the mistake.

  44. By Cactus Jeff on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Mr Bidwell the fans know what the Cardinals need to do, listen to us.

    -Play 4-3 defense
    -Bench Porter, Hagan and AW (increase team speed in back 7)
    -Be more aggressive in secondary, bump and run, etc…slow methodical drives are killing the defense, I’ll take a 1 play 95 yd pass play over 15 play TD drive.

    -Andre is too small….Kolb has no confidence in him.
    -Sampson at #2WR, Doucet #3, Housler in on every play!
    -Have Patrick Peterson in on a few offensive plays

    Finally play the Ravens like the SuperBowl, pull off the ultimate upset and the season is ON!

  45. By Ben on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Derek Anderson had 6 touchdowns and 7 interceptions his first 7 games last year. Kevin Kolb has 7 touchdowns and 7 interceptions in just 6 games. I thought Anderson was lousy but he had more wins a then kolb. It’s going to be a long day if we have Kolb playing next week against the Ravens defence. He’s scared back there and he does nothing but run to his right on 90% of his passing attempts. These little changes or so called improvements that Kold has had aren’t showing and not only our offense is failing but our defence has to step up. Stop blitzing all the linebackers on 3rd downs because teams always pass right over the middle and the passes aren’t being contested. Let’s put the man of the future in at quarterback already. Skelton is the only way to go with this offense. He’s healthy now and I believe he’s ready for the opportunity. He’s accurate and big and not scared to stay in the pocket till the last second to make a big play. Make the change because kolb is killing our season. Putting Skelton in will improve our passing yards a game and open so many more opportunitys with the play action and run. Then beanie can stay healthy.

  46. By ron werner on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply


  47. By EarlbB on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    well that shows why they wont get better, love or hate T.O. right now larry’s numbers would get better and Kolb will get comfortable real quick the guy is still a presence on the field even for just one half a season, the cards have not interest in Owens because they have no interest in winning, and I dont even like T.O i just see him keeping the seats in the stadium filled because after this loss those sell outs are gonna stop, so if the ownership is smart at least make the move for Owens to at least keep the fans interested. DONT JUST RULE IT OUT DARREN AND CARDS FANS, I m sure if they pulled trigger you and everyone else would buy that ticket, lets be real now,
    T.O. is working out for teams this week suggest Whiz send someone to at least check him out. if Larry wanted it it could happen.

  48. By redfires on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Levi Brown did a better job on sunday then he has all year long. The Offensive line i thought did better. Defense made 2 mistakes that resulted into touchdowns those need to be fixed. Kolb panics on any pass rushes that he sees. I think it might be time to sit Kolb down and work on his footwork and his pass rush readings. put SKELTON in and let them work on Kolb to fix these mistakes hes making as for the mistakes the defense is making that can be fixed with more practice. I personally think it might be time to move Adub to outside linebacker and put a fresher younger player at strong safety.
    Darren what do you make of my observations. It is going to take time for the defense to get the scheeme down .

  49. By Darren Urban on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    redfires —

    RE: Observations

    Kolb isn’t going to be benched. Wilson isn’t going to be moved to linebacker.

  50. By TucsonTim on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Foot work? Seriously? Talk about a formula to make Kolb a total head case. High school QBs could have hit Housler. Cutler throws off his back foot 90% of the time. I know it’s not text book. F the text book. Let the guy play. Remove the pressure, like the head coach coming out and taking ALL of the responsibility for the game plan, play calling and the loss. Instead of engineering, Whiz should have studied psychology. I’ve always been bothered by that engineering degree. Why? Does Whiz intend to go out and design bridges after his (short lived) career? Whiz forget about engineering. Very strange dudes. Life isn’t an excell spread sheet. Go back to being a football player. Listen to Warner and simplify the playbook. Build Kolbs confidence, stop tearing it down.

  51. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I’m trying to stay positive, but how can you with this start. So I will get this off my chest like a lot of the other fans. Sorry coach, but you need to be let go. Its obvious you systems just don’t work here. Add that to your poor personnel management and it spells disaster. Last year, you let go the only QB that knew the system for two rookies and a washed up Derek Anderson. Said he wasn’t your kind of guy. Now you are on your 4th QB and you have the same result. ITS THE O- LINE YOU IDIOT !!!!!!!. It never was Matt, or the other 3 bozo’s. You had a very good defense (IN THE 4-3) but you let good players go to other teams and replace them with more Derrick Anderson types (Joey Porter). And the hire of Ray Horton – REALLY !!!!. Lebbeau didn’t want to come to Arizona because he knew you were an IDIOT. Smae reason why the Steelers didn’t hire you.

    They don’t get the defense. They won’t get the defense. COACH, YOU NEED TO BE FIRED for all the poor decisions you have made since the superbowl year. YOU”RE A JOKE. People use to say “IN WHIZ WE TRUST” More like “IN WHIZ WE BUST” You had two weeks to get ready for Pittsburgh. Like a lot of other fans, I’m sick of this under performing team that looks confused with no confidence. YOUR TIME IS UP COACH. Go find another team to screw up. Maybe you can tell their fans its unacceptable when you dismantle their team and distroy their confidence. Please resign !!!!

  52. By TucsonTim on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    BTW has Beanie already had surgery on his torn meniscus?

  53. By cards>niners on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I like the Mora reference Darren.

    Do you think that at this rate UOPS will be able to keep their sellout streak alive with the rams game approaching?

  54. By Darren Urban on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    cards> —

    RE: Sellouts

    Obviously, you have to wonder.

  55. By Scharf on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Okay – I’ve read enough comments to know there are a lot of frustrated fans out there. While my opinion may be biased, the fact of the matter is this team is not firing on every cylinder. One week it seems the offense gets something going, and the defense just can’t keep the other team off the scoreboard. The next week, the defense beats them, and the offense fails miserably. Personally I can’t point a finger at any one particular player because frankly, they have all made mental errors that have played a significant role in generating losses. You can blame the coaching, you can blame the quarterback, you can even blame the defense. But when it comes down to it, none of them have performed exceptionally, and that comes from having a 1-5 record. Remember, every time you point a finger, you have 3 more pointing back at you. (The thumb doesn’t point back, fyi).

    One more thing – for everyone that says we need to change the coaching staff. Let me tell you that Whiz is the kind of coach every team wants. He keeps his cool and doesn’t make a mockery of the organization by parading around yelling like a two year old (Without pointing fingers). Also, changing the coaching staff would just add to the problems surrounding this team.

  56. By roberto on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    you guys Whisenhunt says he won’t be replacing Kevin Kolb despite the club’s 1-5 start to the season. Kolb – who was paid $21.5 million in guaranteed money from the Cardinals prior to the season – has been a big reason for the team’s struggles, posting a weak quarterback rating of 78.8.YOU REALLY SUCK!!!!!

  57. By BIG RED on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Luck won’t leave early if he knows that the Cardinals will make him the #1 pick. Rookies are doing it, what about Kolb, no excuses anymore.

  58. By jocards on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    @ Scott H

    I think there is a lot of truth to what you’re saying. This organization has lost a lot of their better players and their leaders over two seasons and has done nothing but miss on the folks they’ve tabbed as replacements. There seems to be a major issue in the area of evaluating talent here and when that is the case your franchise is in serious trouble. The biggest issue to me is that this team has been under the ultimate control of the Bidwill family for over 80 years and they have done nothing to indicate that they know how to successfully run an NFL team. I honestly am not sure that winning is a top priority for them and even if it were I have absolutely no confidence that they can identify what needs to be done and move toward fixing things. These are the Cardinals and with the exception of a couple of great seasons in 2008-2009 they look much the same as they have for years and years.

  59. By BIG RED on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Hey, Ben I’m with you on everything you said. You didn’t see any happy feet last year with J.Skelton, he’s our future, so damit play this guy before his contract expires and leaves us for another team. Give this guy a chance, he won’t disappoint us. His the next coming of Big Ben. I really though coach Whiz liked this kid last year. I’m even rooting for the Ravens next week, go Boldin show ’em what they let go.

  60. By jocards on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    @ Gilbert

    The team will win at least 5 games?!? Let me ask, what have you seen from this team to indicate to you that they will win at least 5 games? Seriously, I’d like to know because the team I am watching every week isn’t a lock to win any game.

  61. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Another footwork-project QB (Anderson, Leinart). sigh…

  62. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply


    Tell Paul to quit it with the playoff chances on Cards Underground.

  63. By Smack 28 on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    You show me a QB that’s been in the league five years and still has bad footwork, and I’ll show you a QB that should not be starting in the NFL. I’m tired of the excuses. This guy does not have it. What has he been doing for five years? You figure he would have gotten SOME coaching on his mechanics. By the way, here are other QBs with bad footwork, Leinhart and DA. What was the result for them? On top of that, why would a coach put a QB with bad footwork in a spot to fail. If the QB is struggling with his mechanics, a coach should do things to help them succeed such as hand the ball off more and run more play action.

    I do disagree with the statement of Whisenhunt that Kolb had good footwork on the pass to LSH. Kolb almost bailed on that play too (watch the replay of his fett). Maybe that’s some progress that he mentally adjusted, but again five years in the NFL should have helped that development before he was annointed the keys to the car. Let’s face it, Kolb was suppposed to be the next Matt Shaub. Shaub did struggle his first year with the Texans. However, his struggles were not footwork and mechanics. Can anyone admit that he even looks close to what Shaub was in his inaugural season in Houston, and can anyone see any signs that he could become similar to Shaub?

    Kolb’s issues are not based on the lack of the offseason or the lack of chemistry with his receivers. He’s not a good QB right now and has a long way to go before he might become average. He may never reach that. His bad habits are ones easy to break – see all QBs that drafted and failed in the NFL. For those that think he might find more success as a “rollout” QB, that is not the answer either. His accuracy is horrible on the run. I hate to say it, but he is a backup. He is a very highly paid backup posing as a starting QB holding a team hostage. And shame on you, Whisenhunt for not recognizing what you have and adjusting to it accordingly. STAR RUNNING THE BALL AND COMMIT TO IT OR YOU WILL LOSE YOUR JOB TOO!!!

  64. By Jahstone on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Georgie –

    Could call about Leinart and the “footwork”…the fact of the matter is Whiz and Grimm have done nothing to improve the O Line or the D. The steelers always had great blockers and awesome LB’s so the system worked. Factor that in with players that don’t seem motivated to make every play and we have a problem here. Throw in Graves and Michael (I care as long as the stadium is filled) Bidwell and you see the core of the problem. Get real at OT. Find a real #2 WR. OLB’s that have the gas to rush the passer. CB’s (like Carlos Rodgers instead of Marshall). Fire Russ Grimm!!!! And please find a real GM as well as a real owner. The Coyotes make us look like chump change and that is without an owner!!!!

  65. By Peter in Canada on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    I watched the Warner story and Mike Martz said that most QB’s would not have made the throw to Bruce that won the Super Bowl because they knew they would be hit. They would have run from the pocket or made a quick safety valve pass. Warner was willing to take the hit to gain the extra second. The same thing happened on his flea flicker pass to Fitz against Philly in the NFC final as well as a lot of other completions during his career.

    So Darren is it possible that Kolb’s footwork problems are the result of his unwillingness to take a hit? And if that is so how does it get fixed apart from bringing in an O-line like NE that has made Brady’s reputation?

  66. By Darren Urban on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Peter —

    RE: Taking a hit/Brady

    I see that as two separate issues. I’m not sure how Kolb feels about taking a hit. I think Kurt was special compared to most quarterbacks. And I would argue that the Patriots line is OK. Not great. They were shredded in the Super Bowl against the Giants. I think the Patriots are great because Brady is great, he knows exactly where he needs to throw the ball and he does it so darn quick.

  67. By adam sheafe on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Like I said before Kolb’s weaknesses were covered up in the Philly system. Kolb is not that good of a quarterback. He’s decent. If A.J. Feely and Koy Detmer can succeed in that system (Philly’s system) virtually anyone can succeed in Philly’s system. Those of you on here making excuses for this coaching staff and players, keep it up. We all love excuses they make everything better. Why can’t we all admit that this team and coaching staff is just plane BAD. Whisenhunt isn’t even man enough to blame himslef for what’s going on. It doesn’t matter if it’s not all you, that’s just what true LEADERS do. What kind of coach takes soft jabs at his players to the media??? He did it all last season and is doing it again. So sad.

  68. By jocards on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    @ Jahstone

    You actually hit on the major issue in parenthesis. The Bidwill family is not concerned with winning on the field as long as their bottom line stays healthy. I am a broken record and even I grow tired of saying it but ownership does not feel any urgency to field a winner, their concern is making money. That is the reason the team is in Arizona in the first place. The folks in STL supported this team but they were not willing to build Mr. Bidwill a new stadium because he was clearly not committed to putting a winning team on the field, not even close. He moved them to Arizona & eventually got his new stadium. The club has had only three good seasons since arriving in the desert but his new stadium is full every week so he is now happy. The bare truth is that if ownership isn’t very interested in winning in the NFL, you’re not going to have any success on the field. Once upon a time I was one of the optimists about this team…live and learn.

  69. By Cert 33 on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Although Kolb does need improvement at QB (I still can’t believe he threw the ball away on a 2 point conversion attempt, what was he thinking!), the only changes needed are to replace Ken (No Warner, No Win) Whisenhunt and his staff! You have been exposed, buddy. Easily the worst staff in the NFL today. Remember, if you take away Patrick Peterson’s amazing punt return in game 1, a totally INDIVIDUAL effort, we are 0-6. 5-17 since Warner retired. Quit pointing fingers at the players, it’s you and your staff.

  70. By Peter in Canada on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Re Brady

    Yes the Giant game was one of the few times pressure has been put on Brady and whenever he has taken hits he hasn’t looked so great. Warner once said he wished he could have played behind the NE line because they make a QB’s life a lot easier.

  71. By johnny on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    This team reminds me of the lorenzo lynch days. ” We aint giving up, no one in this locker room is giving up”. Damn we stink.

  72. By tim on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Waaaaait one cotton pickin’ minute. Wasn’t that an excuse used with Derek last year? His footwork made him inaccurate and they were working on it. You guys better reach into the hat and try a different excuse. Baltimore is going to put a basketball style score on you Sunday.

  73. By Keith on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    I think it is time to start thinking about replacing whiz over replacing kolb. When is it time to start thinking about that urban? I am frustrated because this season went from optimistic with one of the easiest schedules in the NFL to all but a lost cause 7 weeks into the season, and the only thing whiz has to say about it is “we know the system works” and “we need to work on….” yet I see no improvements only regression. Sounds like whiz is a captain on a sinking ship with no answers on how to fix it.

  74. By Darren Urban on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Keith —

    RE: Whiz

    You can think about it all you want. It’s not happening anytime soon. While it’s fair to wonder where the improvements are, anything thinking this coach is ever going to say anything concrete publicly hasn’t been paying attention to this coach at all over the years. I am pretty sure his comments internally to coaches and players is different.

  75. By RichRigo on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren! I appreciate your patience with us fans. A lot of people expected too much this season. The debacle of last year takes more than one offseason to fix. Getting a new coach now will only start over the rebuilding process Graves/Whiz started this season. Give Kolb time to get comfortable with the play book and Whiz next year to put a few more pieces together like the impact OLB and RT badly needed and this team will improve even more than they have this year. Yes, they have improved even though it doesn’t show in wins but going from 31st in passing to I think 17th is improvement! The defense hasn’t scored as much this year like they did last hence the lower win total.

  76. By dustin whitlock on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    hey darren-

    do you think within the next two losses (if they come) that the cards decide to play skelton? (once again if kolb shows little or no progression)

    i mean i loved what he did last year, i feel that if skelton is in the O will literally turn around, maybe not within a game or two but after that we could be exploding because he is smart, has an arm, is accurate, moves like a vick/rothlesburger mix! when does our orginization recognize talent and dump waste?!

  77. By Darren Urban on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Dustin —

    RE: Skelton

    I don’t expect to see Skelton play anytime soon, barring injury.

  78. By Mario on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Kevin Kolb’s footwork….we are working on his footwork??? Sounds like someone didn’t do their homework before spending all of those assets.

  79. By conrad on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    I have supported the Cardinals since they arrived here in 1988 Season ticket holder since 1992 in this time I have missed 4 preseason games and I do not sell my tickets, if I did not especially to opposing team fans. As Wiz had stated when we drafted John Skellton he called him the QB of the future, the future is now. We as true fans could accept Skellton struggle but Kolb will never be any better than he is now. SOOOOO lets start Skellton now!!!!!!!!!!

  80. By Big Red Fan on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb Needs Gloves.

    Problem Solved. 🙂

  81. By Chris on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Easy for someone to criticize footwork from the sidelines. Perhaps his footwork is off because he continues to get crushed! I believe that after awhile . . . you get a little gun shy. I said this prior to Kolb coming to Arizona, until the O-Line is addressed and the OC is addressed, no one that is put back there will have a chance to be successful. Wake up people!

    The defense . . . that will be for another day!

  82. By FanSinceLomax on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    For all the Cardinals fans asking about playoffs (which is naive and delusional to begin with) consider this.
    9-7 won’t win this division or get a while card. So we’d need 10 wins.
    As simple math would suggest, The Cardinals would need to go 9-1 the rest of the year.
    Does this look like a team that can do that right now? A sane person would say no.
    This team needs a year and a off season to gel.
    If next year starts off the same, time to fire everyone and hire Rob Ryan as head coach.
    I think the reason why Kolb’s agent wanted a long term deal was to secure his future paycheck wise, before teams could see his overall performance.
    I still think he can be good, only next year will tell.

  83. By Chris on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    The “start Skelton now” calls, come on! Really! You really think that will change anything! How many starts did he have last year? The results? Unfortunately it is not just the Alzheimer laden fan base that can’t remember past last week with this rally cry.

    DA gets benched after a 2-2 start last year in favor of who? Was it not the fans crying for Max Hall? Then we go back to DA because Hall doesn’t belong in a Pro uniform. Then they both are hurt, Skelton comes in and what happens? How did they all get hurt? The O-Line is one of the worst in the NFL and don’t tell me about the Hall of Fame O-Line coach. If you look throughout the NFL the best coaches were marginal players at best.

  84. By ronnie on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    John Skelton Is 2 – 2 As A Cardinal And Beat The Cowboys Start Him Now I Was Right Before The Trade And Im Right Now

  85. By daydreamer09 on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Andy Reid sold u guys some SWAMP LAND…And WHIZ Bought it Hook Line And….I’m from Philly, the guy cant take a hit….

  86. By dikaslogos on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    It is interesting to read the comments of the commentators claiming to have the ultimate answer, such as, “all that is needed to fix the Cards problems are”: move this player, bench this player, change this defense scheme, add this player, fire the defensive coordinator, hire a new offensive coordinator, rearrange the lockers in the club house, blah, blah, blah.

    The Cards problems run much deeper than this. As long as management, the administrative staff, the coaches, the players and the fans are willing to graciously accept defeat (a failure to execute and do their job at a productive level) , the Cards will not be a football team that can function in the NFL at even a reasonable level of performance. The attitude that [“all we have to do is what we are doing better”] is a recipe for failure.

    Tor repeat the same failed program and strategy over and over and over again and expect a different result may not be insanity. It is, however, lazy and nonsensical.

    Some very fundamental changes must be made now. If the 3 – 4 defense is not working, change it. If the QB has failed, swallow your pride and find a QB that at least gives the team a fighting change of success. If the offensive line is unable to protect the QB, find the players than can and are willing to do whatever it takes to make an essential part of the game work.

    The successful franchises do these kinds of things as ‘standard operating procedure’. Delay and procrastination only makes the hole deeper and harder to climb out of.

  87. By BIG RED on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    I figure it out! Send Kevin Kolb to Dancing with the Stars show, so he can work with his damm footwork. Maybe that’ll do it. And then send him to Scare Tactic so he won’t be scare of the defensive players rushing in to wipe him out. Then we should have the perfect QB. That’s all it takes!

  88. By Scott H on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Hmmmm….people making the observation that Fitz is being smothered by coverage every week because there is NO ONE else at WR on this roster right now that concerns anyone….gee, seems to me that some of us saw this coming MONTHS ago when this organization just kept telling us how confident they were in what we already had at that position. Oh, and of course, they had signed Chansi Stuckey, so…what could there possibly be to worry about, right? And didn’t coach Whiz even have the audacity to get irked during press conferences when people kept asking about the WR position??? Ya know what, I could go on and on but what’s the point? The WR position is just a microcosm of the arrogance and the poor personnel evaluation acumen of this organization right now. Several players were available during FA and we did nothing. Shoot, BRANDON LLOYD was just stolen by the Rams for a 6th round pick!!!! And we did nothing. Oh, but we’re just SOOOOOO deep and SOOOOO strong at WR, aren’t we? Pathetic.

    How many of US would keep our jobs if we were performing at this level over a 2 year period??? I sure wouldn’t.

  89. By Javier Campa on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    kolb and the team are getting better next year they will win NFC west

  90. By azlongboarding on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    kolb does have a weird technique when he throws the ball.

  91. By cardsalltheway on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    What’s wrong, are you afraid the Rams might put a wallopping on the Cardinals Nov. 6th and the Red Birds start CHIRPING loudly kind of like how the Denver Bronco fans have done? Good thing it’s one week after Halloween or someone might confuse the OOOOO’s with ghosts.

  92. By CreditCard on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t wait until the Cards play the Rams. It will be called: “We Suck for Luck Bowl” It would only be televised on the NFL network and will not be sponsored by a beer company, but rather Draino!

  93. By Chuck 1 on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    I’m starting to believe that no meaningful changes will occur with the GM, Scouting Department, coaching staff and players until the Bidwills sell the team,

    I think that most of us know that the Bidwills won’t fire Graves (especially), Keim, the rest of the Scouting Department and Front Office.

    It’s a buddy/buddy thing, the sellouts continue and, as some have written, the Bidwills are making money and laughing all the way to the bank. So, why upset the apple cart?

    So, unless the fans can start a campaign to “encourage” the Bidwills to sell the team, the Cards will be the laughing stock of the NFL. Unfortunately, Michael is a young man and will hold onto the honey pot for years.

  94. By Chuck 1 on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Re: my last paragraph; maybe demonstrations like the New Orleans fans did several years ago when they wore paper bags over their heads at the games with the word “AIN’Ts” on the bags would have some effects.

    Or, cancel your season tickets or stop buying single game tickets.

    Until the fans start PUBLICLY DEMANDING changes, nothing will change!!!

  95. By Chuck 1 on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply


    I asked you a couple of weeks ago to ask the “powers that be” i.e. Graves, Keim, Whiz, the Millers, and Horton if they would answer questions from the fans.

    You said that you would, but you haven’t said if and when they will do it.

    Will it happen?

    I would hope that the fans will be civil.

  96. By Darren Urban on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    Chuck 1 —

    RE: Fans questions

    Still working to see if that will happen.

  97. By Sarah on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    FEET WORK and how much are we paying this guy to learn the basics ??? There were throws there that he missed that I could have completed as a female !! Congrats we now have an Alex Smith type situation, this roll of the dice did not work and getting any chance of a playoff spot is not likely given the status quo. I mean he had started 7 games and was hardly Jeff Garcia in Philly who came in and turned the team around and took them to the playoffs.

    This guy had one hype machine going for not allot of starts in Philly and we bought it. Meanwhile we have one heck of a good backup that could grow into a top NFL quarterback in John Skelton that is being wasted while Kolb learns to play quarterback at a hefty and then some price. In my view they pretty much have the same experience except we are grossly overpaying Kolb, maybe pay Vick that kind of cash but what was management thinking ???

    Basically management felt the heat from fans last year for a veteran, problem is Kolb was hardly a veteran. Honestly we could have got a CFL veteran for $400,000. Kolb got a sickening amount of guaranteed cash and now we are stuck with him and the hype which has gone cold !! Skelton costs $350,000 a year and in my opinion will grow into a way better quarterback and team leader than this guy ! This gamble did not pay off instantly like a Gord Ramsey kitchen makeover, instead we got a huge check for tasteless cold soup and an average dinner. Let’s develop JOHN SKELTON and see what we got before another team winks at us when they get the full benefit of this guy in a trade.

    I fully understood the rational of getting a veteran to start the season, unfortunately we did not get a veteran and if he needs feet work then we are schooling this guy for massive cash. Let’s take the heat off Kolb and play Skelton and develop him as well and see how he does in his second season. He showed HUGE promise in his four starts and did not screwup. This season is a write off so let’s develop our talent at quarterback. The fans like Skelton and will not hold it against the coach. He is a diamond in the rough and great in the community. Sure he will make mistakes but he has way more upside than Kolb plus he is bigger and not intimidated. Kolb seems valiant but scared and the red zone scares him.

  98. By Ben on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    I thought Skelton was healthy now. With Whiz under the gun he needs to make a change. Skelton was 2-2 last year and showed amazing potential. When you get offered a huge sum of money and are asked to be a franchise QB and your a coaches son you would think he would take advantage of the situation but Kolb hasn’t changed his game one bit. He looks worse and worse every game. If i were the ravens I would blitz to kolbs right side everytime. Then where would he run. Maybe that would help him step into the pocket and make a good throw. His only good pass was a little dump off pass to Stevens howling for a touchdown. Not much skill therenor footwork needed

  99. By Scott H on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    Sarah –

    I preface all that i say by admitting that I was totally in favor of getting Kolb. He has been a disappointment. But I continue to believe that he is a better QB than what we have seen. You say let’s start and develop Skelton NOW but that is probably not going to happen NOW. Unfortunately, the time to do that was about halfway through last season, and our head coach failed to do this because of his in-explicable stubborness in sticking with Anderson. The poor judgement and decision making of the head coach is the reason we failed to find out what Skelton could do when we had the PERFECT opportunity to do so. And THAT is what resulted in the Cardinals being in a position where they needed to over-pay for Kolb. There ya have it. The blame for this lies with the head coach. And I believe he will be held responsible for it – as he should – when the season ends.

  100. By BIG RED on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    Couldn’t have said it any better. You go gal!!! WE WANT SKELTON!!!!!

  101. By Ben on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t believe it’s to late for Skelton to start when we only have 1 win.

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