Ravens aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on October 30, 2011 – 6:22 pm

I’ll start with Beanie.

You could see it, every time he tried to bounce it outside, that his right knee was trouble. He had no burst of speed. He couldn’t get the corner. And a few times after he was hit, the Ravens blasted him on the leg. He couldn’t get as many carries as he normally would have. Physically he couldn’t do it.

Yet there he was, plowing into the line. There he was, going over the top for a touchdown. There he was, probably needing to come out of the game after being blasted by Ravens nose tackle Haloti Ngata on a third-and-1 but insisting to the sideline he wanted to stay in for a crucial fourth down and cracking off a four-yard rush on the next play.

The Cardinals didn’t win, but I – and anyone else watching – had to be impressed by Wells. That is one of those tangible things you see when anyone asks about the team shutting it down during this losing streak.

Of course, that doesn’t make the losing easier. Not the way it happened Sunday. For a half, it felt like a corner had been turned. There were things that helped, with Ravens’ turnovers and Patrick Peterson’s electric punt return, of course. Kevin Kolb didn’t have exciting numbers in the first half (other than the 66-yard pass to Larry Fitzgerald) but he did look more comfortable.

From there, though, the offense stumbled and the defense couldn’t stop Anquan Boldin. Hard loss.

— Larry Fitzgerald only had three receptions, for 98 yards. He was only targeted on five passes total, much too low of a number. Fitzgerald, however, said the Cards called his number “six or seven times” in the second half.

“It’s not like they’re not calling my number,” Fitzgerald said. “The ball has to go where the ball needs to be depending on the coverage. If Kevin forces the ball and (Ravens safety) Ed Reed is over the top of me, time and time again, Ed Reed makes people pay for those types of mistakes. The calls were there.”

Fair enough. The Cards have to find a way though.

— The Ravens’ defense harasses quarterbacks better than any defense in the NFL, but Kolb has to complete more passes. Under 50 percent for a game in today’s NFL – where you really need to be at least at 60 percent to be better than average – isn’t going to get it done.

— The Cards had a defensive sub-package that had Richard Marshall at safety instead of Rashad Johnson. After A.J. Jefferson’s tough game – he was the one covering Boldin most of the time when Boldin went off — Marshall took Jefferson’s spot on the last drive when Jefferson was kept on the sideline. Marshall still gave up the bomb that sealed the Cards’ fate.

— Jefferson, meanwhile, tweeted this out afterward: “Only so many people actually know the schemes n game. I do what I’m told, If I had it my way… Well it’d be my way. #ItisWhatItis ¯\_(ツ)_/¯”

— One last cornerbacks thought: Peterson likes playing physical, but in the NFL, it’s going to get you penalties more often than not. That’s going to be part of his learning curve – until/if he becomes a star and they let him get away with it more often.

— Right tackle Brandon Keith was benched in the fourth quarter in favor of Jeremy Bridges. Coach Ken Whisenhunt said he didn’t know if it’d be permanent. “We made a move because we had, obviously, given up two plays there and weren’t getting the job done,” Whisenhunt said. “We’ll work this week and whoever practices better will be the guy that plays there.”

— Boldin insisted again after the game playing the Cardinals meant nothing extra. No, I don’t believe him either.

— Linebacker Terrell Suggs, the ASU product from Chandler who everyone thought was going to be drafted by the Cards until the Cards traded on draft day, 2003, was the opposite. He admitted it does mean something to go against the Cards. He played like it – 13 tackles, a sack, four tackles for loss.

— I don’t know if Sam Acho or O’Brien Schofield will ever get to that level, but they each got a sack in the first game Joey Porter missed. Acho has two sacks, one more than Porter, in much less playing time.

— If FB Anthony Sherman’s left ankle injury is a lingering problem, it’ll be interesting to see what the Cards do at the position. There are no other fullbacks. And with Todd Heap and now Rob Housler gimpy, they are short on tight ends too.

— I don’t know how bad the Kolb foot injury is. (UPDATE: I have been alerted Whisenhunt said on the postgame radio show Kolb has turf toe.) He played the whole game, and even had that gutsy first-down scramble late in the game, prior to the Cards’ final punt. Between that and Beanie’s injury – and Wells thinks his knee is going to be an issue the rest of the season – ouch.

— Of course, that’s what the day was too.


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130 Responses to “Ravens aftermath”

  1. By Kevin on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply


    Who felt numb during this game? we all saw this coming. Was anyone here really surprised?

    We need an oline that can pass block, Whiz should be held accountable for that since Kurt Warner left. Have we drafted an OL…

    Our defense will be better next year with more experience and with Toler back.

    Kolb is not comfortable in Whiz’s system. He also makes routine bad decisions and doesn’t protect the ball.

    Bottom line is we have a lot of talent on this team…it can’t just be the players fault for this kind of performance and all these devastating losses.

    It is about time we hold the coaches responsible…particularly Whiz.

    I say we try something new, Draft Luck who could possibly be a franchise QB…since when has AZ had that btw?

    Get olinemen via trade or draft.

    Consider coaching changes…GM and Owner need to take a hard look at Whiz this game. The players just aren’t getting his message. We have NO discipline or toughess. And we never have for an extended period of time with Whisenhunt. Thats the coaches fault.

    And now Kolb is injured…who wants a new offensive gameplan for next year? I do.

    Thanks everyone, just a cards fan here who sees possible good things in the future for this team.


  2. By Phoenixraven1 on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    We had it and gave it away…

  3. By cardsalltheway on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    “…they are short on tight ends too.”
    I thought we had 5 TE’s? 5 – 2 = 3. How is having 3 TE’s “short?” Most other teams have only 3 TE’s.

    If the Cardinals lose next week I think it’s possible we lose out the rest of the season. No QB(not even John Skelton) can succeed under Ken W. unless we have a HOF caliber QB and a better offensive line/coach similar to that of what we had in 2008. Don’t worry J. Skelton I’ll still be rooting for you, kind of like I’ve been rooting for the Cubs since I’ve been a kid.

    Ken W. as Cardinals head coach ~ 33(wins) – 38(losses). Is it really still possible Ken W. ends up 33 – 48 by year’s end? When can we get a new coaching staff?

  4. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    cardsalltheway —

    RE: tight ends

    Not sure where you are getting five. Heap, King, Housler, Dray.

  5. By Dave on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t even know what to say anymore. oh well….All I can say that is neutral.

  6. By Gilbert on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren do you see improvement on kolb and the team as a whole?? What do u believe this team needs to turn it around. ??

  7. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Gilbert —

    RE: Kolb

    I thought Kolb looked a little better early today but then his play echoed a lot of his recent issues.

  8. By Christo on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Whisenhunt CANNOT get this team to do what it needs to. Close only counts in Spades. This is ridiculous.

    Keith should have been benched a month ago. Not today.

    Jefferson shouldn’t be starting. Where was the waiver claim on Harris?

    Do we have a claim in on Choice?

    What could it hurt? Because Whiz’s plan worked with Green’s team he refuses to adjust his scheme. The system DOES NOT work Whiz.

  9. By Chuck on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    DARREN,Calling out some players and coaches #75 and #72 are the worst tackles in the NFL! Kolb needs to be protected PERIOD! RT and LT need to be benched and replaced! We need a #2 reciever! We need a new offensive cordenator our play calling is too predictable! On defence #20 has been getting torched all season bench him! Dan Williams bench him replace him with Dave Carter! Porter and Haggens need to be benched too old too slow! Replace with Acho and Scofield! Next year we need to draft or sign another CB or two,draft or sign some quality RT and LT,draft or sign a quality WR,draft or sign a quality LB.If the Cardinals fail to do this I WILL NOT RENEW MY SEASON TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What do you think?

  10. By Chris on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t think this team is bad enough to get Luck. I thinkt the Colts and Dolphins are in a race for Luck. But, if the Cards are in the top 5 in the draft hopefully someone will offer up a ransom to move up like Atlanta did last year. This team is going to need more than 1pick in the first two rounds next year.

  11. By TucsonTim on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    There are a ot of things to feel good about. We have some talented young players.

    How good do you think Q feels tonight. Mr. Graves and Mr. Whisenhint, you might want to think twice before you lie to a pro bowl wide receiver again.

    He who laughs last laughs, laughs very well indeed.

  12. By Marcus on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Get that “SuckforLuck” crap out of here. any fan that tries to pull that isnt a fan at all. Besides the fact its a pointless idea because (not sure if u know this but,) in the NFL, there arent guaranteed contracts. Tell that “SuckforLuck” crap to anyone on that roster, see how THAT goes.

    Kolb is our guy. He’s the guy. He can and will be our franchise Quarterback. He has not shown me anything that says “uh-oh we goof’d, this isnt our guy” His O-line is god awful, every WR out there besides 11 is a bum, and we were facing the best defense in the league. Oh, and I guess some of u guys forgot… WE ARE NOT A GOOD FOOTBALL TEAM.

    We are bad team at best. bottomline. Period. We were before Kolb, and getting Kolb, and Peterson wasnt going to change that. We have terrible secondary players, and did i mention those WR’s? even the “Great” Sam Bradford cant do it with nobody. (He is legit though, dont get me wrong)

    U gotta give Kolb a year. Its a new system, with a lockout, he didnt have the playbook or anything during the lockout like Cam Newton, he came in here with nothing, and got the start. This is exactly what i expected.

    Give this guy, this team another year, we’ll add pieces in the secondary, add WR’s, and some 0-linemen and we’ll be a good team. Maybe (i doubt it) great.

  13. By rio on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply



  14. By TucsonTim on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Considering how well Cleveland played today, do you think we need any more Browns cast offs?

  15. By Codyw on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    suck for luck and booooooooooo kevin kolb….. this was a very pathetic loss today i feel bad for fitzgerald he deserves to be on a better team… this season is over already for us…. what the hell is going on here

  16. By TucsonTim on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply


    Last week there was extra protection for Kolb. This week we went to a lot of spread with no backs. Do you think our OC thought the pass rush on the road was going to be easier?

  17. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Tucson —

    RE: Pass protection

    I do not know. I thought the pass pro, after the first series, did OK in the first half. Then it went backward in the second.

  18. By georgiebird on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Thank God I have my baseball Cards to maintain my sanity. If all the coaches/managers in professional sports were ranked on their performance, LaRussa would be somewhere at the top and Whiz would be right at the bottom.
    It’s ridiculous to keep beating this dead horse named Whiz- from here on out it’s the Bidwill’s who are on the clock.

  19. By J K on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Lo and behold it turns out all the fans who were complaining about the OLB’s were right. I saw some gap coverage mistakes by the young OLB’s out there, but I definitely saw a more productive set than before. Joey Porter seems like a great guy and is one hell of an emotional player who has had a good career, but the answer at OLB is clear. Hopefully after this game Whiz & Co. and Porter himself all see what the rest of us have been seeing for weeks. He just doesn’t have the game that he used to. Time to let the young bucks in there to get some reps and take the mantle. I still want to see some more pressure generated by the players themselves and not the playcalling, but man it was great to see LB’s doing something. It would be nice to generate some pressure from the guys themselves and not just play calling, but I’ll take sacks any day of the week no matter how they come. Also I should mention how impressively physical Calais Campbell was out there. Great to see him getting fired up.

    The Beanie stuff is bad luck, and as a fan I certainly appreciate him toughing it out. We really got screwed this year when Ryan Williams went down. That, and the Greg Toler injury. Both of those injuries reared their ugly heads in this game and have done so all season. Blowing it in the second half wasn’t exactly a shocker, but at least in this game we saw some improvement. I guess moral victories are worth something. Not much, but something.

  20. By azcards24 on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply


  21. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    At some point, say 1-10, the Cards are going to see what John Skelton can offer so they can best evaluate the QB position for 2011. I don’t really think you can have a QB contoversy when you’ve reached the 10-loss mark. Skelton has won more games with less in fewer games than Kolb has. Hopefully Kolb will make it a hard decision, but to this point, he isn’t doing anything to not justify giving Skelton a chance should Kolb’s play get significantly better soon.

  22. By Carl on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Its diappointing obviously but look at the bright side everyone. This loss brings us one step closer to getting Luck.

    15 years of amazing success could just be 9 games away from happening all we have to do is lose now and it will bring us so many wins for the future just look at the Colts with and without peyton. Great QB= Wins Bad or average QB= Not that many wins unless you have a great defense.

  23. By Adrian on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    @Kevin, can’t get Luck. Gave up too much for Kolb. Only way you get Luck is if Whiz gets fired and it is the new Head coaches call.

  24. By welpe on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    1-6 .. now lets make a 10 – 6 out of it. We’ve given enough records away past games, so time for the Cardinals to make an Impact on the largest Franchise comeback in NFL history! Lets do it!

  25. By Evan on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    If we knew how to put games away, we’d be 5-2 right now. But it seems that the Cards know the same thing we do… we’ll find a way to lose. Remind you of the good ‘ol days at Sun Devil Stadium? Feels too familiar.

    But Kolb reminds me of Warner initially (lots of turnovers) until the coaching staff corrected it. I’m not concerned – he’s a winner and will be much better next year. And yes, that goes for our defense, too.

    What worries me even more though is the small number of comments here. Too many fair weather fans and not enough keeping the faith by staying engaged. But I’ll be the first one to admit that we’re part of the team’s problem, too. A little unconditional love goes a long way… and I’m almost certain they can feel our doubts in the third and fourth quarters.

    Good or bad, they’re OUR team. And support after a loss like this one might mean a Cardinals win the following week. With nine games left, let’s start with St Louis in our building and finish up a respectable 8-8.

    Possible? Yes.

  26. By TucsonTim on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Darren – . How intense is the buzz around Cardinals HQ about Kolb? Is Bidwill angry? It’s not the O-line, plenty of QBs have mediocre O-lines. He’s just bad. Bad reads, bad footwork, bad accuracy, fumbles and happy feet, bad bad bad. Half dozen rookies are killing it this year. If he has IT he would be a star, Of course it would help if Roberts could actually catch a pass that hits him in the hands. Just can’t get it to Fitz….just like last year.

  27. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    RE: Kolb reax

    To be honest, I haven’t interacted with Michael Bidwill enough to know his feeling.

  28. By georgiebird on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Snap shot of the Bidwill family:
    1) nice people (too nice)
    2) poor evaluators of HC candidates
    3) slow to act and passive beyond belief
    4) the word “proactive” is not in their dictionary
    5) they don’t understand the formula for winning in the NFL
    (notice I didn’t say cheap because the Bidwills’ have given Whiz most of what he’s asked for)

  29. By NJAZCardsFan on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Darren- Any chance you could post the video of PP’s punt return.

    Other than that, I have nothing else to say….. I don’t want to be like Whiz each week and repeat myself.

  30. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    NJAZ —

    RE: PP return

  31. By tim on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    I think it might be a geographic problem. They are trying to emulate the Pittsburgh Steelers, a fine goal. I fear they missed it by 140 miles and wound up emulating the Cleveland Browns. Sad.

  32. By Rich on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    If we had won a couple close games earlier, we’d be looking at this game as a solid performance. Did some good things today. But its clear now, Roberts is a liability, we need an OT, maybe better “adjustments” during game by coaches.

  33. By Zero on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Is it just me or does every single game we play, the other team breaks some team record…… or players set a career high.

  34. By georgiebird on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    @ welpe- you’ve got to be somewhat sober to post here.

    @ J K – let’s stop cryinging about the injuries to the unproven Greg Toler and Ryan Williams. Cards are the healthiest team in the NFL

  35. By louie on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    the main problem is a #2 reciever. Doucet is a solid #3, with a solid #2 i think Kolb will look better and are running game will improve. Im glad to see Porter out and its time to put him on the can’t perform list.

    Do we still have Deuce? Hes faster then 3 of the O.L. starting.
    Hightower and DRC trades look bad, but not as bad as the Boldin trade maybe the worst trade in history. No #1. Roy Williams at least got a number 1.

    I love the Cards since 1989 and this may be one of the most depressing years ever, at least last year i knew it was going to be bad with Anderson at QB no kurt and no Boldin.

    Darren do they think they are solid at wr and cb?

  36. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Louie —

    RE: CB/WR

    It’d be hard to say yes right now, don’t you think?

  37. By roland on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Win with a grin Not suck for luck .You can’t get better by losing.This is not easy to be a cards fan but this is our team. When we win its great when we lose it sucks. To win the bidwills need to keep our best players on the team ,we cant keep losing them.

  38. By suspence716 on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Marcus you really think that Kolb is the guy? REALLY? You know he only passed for 6 yards in the second half, n u still think he’s the guy? Derek Anderson never had such a bad half last year n he was horrid! So, what does that make Kolb? U must be smashed drunk when u watch the games cuz Kolb is not they guy!

  39. By Dalton Gang on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    After today I was thinking. With Skelton at QB we wouldn’t be any worse and with what he showed last year possibly better than where we are now.. O line definitely needs work, but I see other QB’s complete passes all the time with guys in their face. Thinking Kolb is a bust at this point in comparison to other starting / rookie QB’s who have had the same amount of time in systems.

  40. By matt thomison on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Anyone know Kolbs second half passing yards? It was around 25 yards. Only reason we got that field goal was penaltys movin the ball closer.

  41. By C on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply


    Being that coach Grimm basically begged the front office to draft Levi Brown (who has shown zero improvement from his first snaps as a rookie), would it be fair to say that Grimm is in the hot seat? Would this be a coaching problem or a front office problem? This is the same OL we’ve had for a few seasons now (sans Faneca who was lackluster at best, replaced by Colledge who’s been decent, but who knows how good he CAN be with Levi to his left). Either this is a coaching problem or a front office problem with evaluating talent. If this team goes 2-14, 3-13 or 4-12 heads are going to roll. Should it be Graves? Grimm? The entirety of the coaching staff?

    Thanks for these postings. I know this job must absolutely stink when the team is performing like this.

  42. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    C —

    RE: Grimm

    I don’t know if he would be on the hot seat, but it’s fair to say his work should be evaluated closely.

  43. By Andy M on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    There was improvement in a few areas, but let’s face it: the Cards benefitted from some marginal calls and a bit of luck (turnovers and punt return). They were outplayed all day despite having a fortunate five minutes in the first half. It was good to see more intensity out there. Darren, you answered why Beanie didn’t run wide on certain plays despite it being available–it wasn’t obvious from the telecast that he was hampered. It sounds like this team is beat up. Good to see some production from the young linebackers. This is better than a 1-6 team; realistically should be 3-4, maybe 4-3. The team has to learn how to close. We can all see the lack of confidence in the last few minutes. It has been obvious in each of the four close losses. Its in their body language: “Oh crap, here we go again” I wish someone had the answer for that problem.

  44. By Eric on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Its very clear when you see a team play this poorly, this often, they are poorly coached. Kolb doesn’t have a chance with the O Line the Cards gave him, and the coaching he is getting. True, he needs to get rid of the ball more quickly, but he still doesn’t have the support he needs to succeed. Stepping up into the pocket isnt an option for him when the pocket has already colapsed by the time he has made his drop back. Its horrible to watch. I for one am sick of watching a team get blamed for their perfomance because the coach can’t coach to the strengths of his players. He has driven this team into the ground insisting that his insane idea of how they need to play is it, and won’t make the adjustments, and worse won’t take responsibility for the teams failure. Look no further than Andy Ried. After his team loses he puts the loss on he an his coaching staff and ends it at that. Blaming players? Are you serious? Deal with that during the week at practice. With Graves and Whiz running this team it will never get better. Getting Lucky with Denny Greens players, Kurt Warner and Todd Haley, isn’t going to happen again. Clearly, Whiz can’t get it done. As long as we bolster our team with trash from the Steelers and Browns ( I will never understand that ) we can’t have success. Its like Whiz has blinders on, and Graves makes the decisions with him. Both need to go. Look at Detroit, SF, Tampa and others that ALL made GM and Coaching changes and are enjoying new success. Wake up Bidwells, you finally started paying some players, now lets get some solid coaching or its pointless.

    Now, an interesting thing has come up:

    “I don’t know if Sam Acho or O’Brien Schofield will ever get to that level, but they each got a sack in the first game Joey Porter missed. Acho has two sacks, one more than Porter, in much less playing time.”

    Your right Darren, they both have done better in one day than the other two all year, so WHY ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME ON PLAYERS THAT CANT GET IT DONE!!!!! Let them Play! Start them! I laugh everytime Whiz talks about guys needing more experience. How does he think they will get it? By watching Whiz’s old Steeler buddies stink it up out there? This team has some amazing talent, but its all wasted because they are poorly coached. Period. Until that changes, an occasional PP punt return, or Beanie playing well (I am so proud of that guy, he is the gustiest kid on the team) we will never enjoy overall success.

    Of course, this is all just my opinion, but having discussed this at nauseum with everyone from former players of the Cards (Tommy Knight) and current Pro Coaches (Brian Stewart, whom would have been a great defensive coordinator here, and I’m basing that on his success in Dallas, not just because he is a friend) I think I have a very good point.

  45. By Matthew on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    dont know why im surprised i actually expected i to be a lot worse

  46. By nodavis2000 on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Man … this loss definitely sucked!!!

    I think that the play calling was WAY too predictable. How many TIMES did they try to throw on first down!?!?!? After Kolb took two sacks on that, that play should stop. And then, Kolb gets pressure again and gets an interception. I don’t agree with the play calling in the 2nd half. AT ALL!!!

    Play Acho and Schofield more. They both got sacks today and a FF. They will get more pressure than Porter and Haggans. Hopefully Horton sees that and tries to override Whiz if he says back to Porter and Haggans.

    CHANGE THE TWO TACKLES!!! OMG… We will never know how good Kolb is without having a decent line for a few games. Mediocre first half then abhorrid 2nd half. Not even Brady would be able to play good with Keith and Brown protecting him.

  47. By Phoenixraven1 on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    This bites!!!!!!!!!!!

  48. By jstn on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    this team was hurt from the lock out, some teams it affected them and some teams it did not, what we are seeing on sundays is a team still finding themselfs. QB is not the answere, kevin will be good. What the cardinals team needs is to finish up season as strong as you can, take alot of notes and develop this team for next year. It was always a pipe dream for all of you that expected perfection coming into this season. It will be a work in progress, the defense needs it and the offense needs. Its Reality in the NFL. Remember it took Cards with Kurt 2-3 years to build the team we had that went to the playoffs. Its ridiculouse to think cards do any better then 5-11, but watch out for next year maybe 11-5….

  49. By jonnyb on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Darren if we keep losing ,how many games till Skelton plays he seems more productive in his few starts last year then Kolb has shown all year and wat about kolb restucturing his contract u think thats possiblle?

  50. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    jonnyb —

    RE: Kolb

    No, I don’t see him restructuring his contract.

  51. By John on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    This teams only fault was not planning for the contract negotiation with a quarterback in training before the disputes. This year all the teams with new QB’s are suffering. The great Indy has not won a game.

    I am happy in this coaching and in the three quarters we were beating a top seeded AFC team. Soon this will click like the 49ers with their return players and this team will take off. Bottom line though – The O-Line needs some help and has needed since it since Denny Green. If the D-Fence had this poor quality we would be on a new coach by now. Why is Russ Grimm still here? Where is that Hall of Fame Offensive Line that we keep hearing about – these kids don’t look prepared each week – Cmon – one guy blocking Struggs is stupid – this guy has been #1 for 8 years. Do we need a fifth QB to prove that the O-Line is not getting coached or drafts are not working out? Brady has had 5 seconds for 10 years each down of each game – the one year he didn’t – he got hurt… This is basic football.

  52. By FanSinceLomax on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Levi Brown is one of the worst starting tackles in the game, if not the worst.
    He played pretty poorly today as did Keith.That being said, Honestly Levi has had his worst season by far this year.
    I can’t understand why in the hell he is still starting, you can’t get much worse.
    He completely failed on that third and goal for the Kolb sack, I mean he was beaten badly, a free shot.
    Would we have gotten a touchdown? Who knows, thanks to Levi Brown we will never know.
    I wouldn’t want this guy on my team, to be honest.
    This goes beyond missing blocks here and there, or getting beat on a pass rush once in awhile.
    People make mistakes, but really he is the Matt Leinart of Offensive lineman.
    He is a backup at best.
    Brown and Keith need to go, Bridges shows passion and is a better overall player.

  53. By Brad on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb holds on to the ball way too long, it’s not the O-lines fault, Kolb needs to read and recognize blitz at the line, and then when he see’s it coming get rid of the ball, it seems every time he is blitzed instead of looking for routes behind the blitz he decides to look to the opposite side where there is full coverage, doesn’t have the brains to be an elite QB. Either Whiz concedes that this is a losing season and he stays with Kolb to try to get him better, or Whiz decides to have a crack at the NFC West and start John S.

    Did anyone notice we are in dire need of a great CB? Marshall and Jefferson have nothing, would have been nice to have DRC right now, along with a 2nd round pick in our pocket! Not to mention the millions we would save on Kolbs salary!

  54. By Paul on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Anyone who has looked at Miami’s remaining schedule can see that we are already out of the running for Andrew Luck this year.

    Who are the promising linemen for next year’s draft? And an additional WR

  55. By KurtM on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    I think Ray Horton is a joke. Why in your crazy cornheaded mind do u think to put a weak CB in jefferson on Q who was destroying the cardinals is a good idea. Then he sticks Marshal on em who is no better than Jefferson. HORTON GET THE HECK OUTTA AZ YOU BUMMMMMM!!!!!

  56. By SeeingRed on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    a few observations:

    Peterson continues to show improvement and star potential

    Doucet missed an opportunity to show why we let Q go (oh and help his team win today)

    Roberts showed that he hasn’t arrived yet and that he better start making some plays. The balls he is dropping aren’t perfect but in the NFL you are paid to make those catches. This isn’t the Citadel anymore.

    Our O tackles still can’t get it done.

    Question Darren.. Is Bradley ever gone be worth anything productive on defense?

    When K Rhodes comes back he needs to start making plays period. He wasn’t doing much before he was injured and he cant live off his season a year ago. Time to step it up.

    All that said, nice to see them show heart and toughness. The talent is there but they all need to get their minds right so they can put it together for 4 quarters.

  57. By Darren Urban on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    SeeingRed —

    RE: Bradley

    I wish I knew that answer.

  58. By David Robles on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply





  59. By AB on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply


    Look at the rest of our division.

    Rams are 1-6 with a win without Sam Bradford playing.

    Seahawks are 2-5 with Pete Carroll.

    They are probably thinking the same thing as you guys;
    Suck for Luck, and fire the head coach.

  60. By ALONEEAGLE on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Well I must say that Beanie was quite good considering the circumstances with his knee. I am guessing he is getting sick and tired of people questioning his toughness!! As I said in an earlier blog, the first half was enjoyable, unfortunately for the Cards this week, football is 2 halfs. It was obvious in the 2nd half this game was personal for Q, contrary to his statement, and I don’t blame him. However I agree that the Refs were too hankie happy considering the physicality of the game on both sides. Also, what is the point of replay when they don’t get it right? I am refering to the play that both Wright from the Ravens and Marshall or Adams of the Cards went up for the ball and the Cards came down with it. And what about all the pass interference calls that were thrown. At this rate the NFL committee might as well make it the NFFL! !! The National Flag Football League, because that is what it is turning into!! I was impressed with Kolb in the first half, he finally showed what he is capable of. Hopefully by next year he will have finally figured out the system!!

  61. By Chuck 1 on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t understand why some fans believe that the team will be better next year,
    The Cards need OLmen, pass-rushing OLBs, CBs, a safety, a #2 WR, a TE and a QB.
    That is too many holes to fill.
    And, there is no indication that Michael Bidwill will part with the money to pay for all those players.
    Or, that Graves will choose the right players to draft and sign as FAs. He does not have a good track record lately.
    As for “Denny Green’s” drafts, Graves is the GM and makes the decisions with the help of Keim and the Scouting Department.
    2-14 might be good enough to win the “Luck Sweepstakes”.

  62. By Longtimefan13 on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Get rid of Graves and whoever is evaluating talent, I posted on here last week before the game and will keep saying it, we need someone who can draft players. Where is the superstar we have drafted besides Fitz? He was the biggest no brainer ever, and Whiz/Graves didnt even draft him, Green did! They are awful at drafting and we need someone who can bring in some talent, maybe the new guys dont miss on an AP like we already have!

  63. By rick on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb needs to be protected period. It was nice to see more play from our young linebackers hopefully we can continue doing that. Be patient cards fans we are getting there just had a few setbacks this year but we`ll be ok in the long run.

  64. By Kevin on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    (First post) Just to clarify to everyone I’m not advocating we purposely lose the rest of our games. Obviously that is no way to coach or play as a team. The problem is with the way we are playing, we are sucking for luck indirectly (ind for instance is doing the same thing).

    I feel everyones pain. I too really am at a loss of words at this point. Someone made a great point. We knew with Anderson that it was difficult to have very high hopes for the season. But this is totally unexpected, how are we have a worse record than last year? Unbelieveable.

    As for Kolb I just don’t think its as difficult to understand as some people have made it. Yes, Kolb is new to this system and Warner developed under it the same way. But Warner had intangibles other QBs don’t have. The way Kolb plays you just kinda think there is no way this works long term.

    Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Christian Ponder, and even Blaine Gabbert sometimes have done amazing things so far this season. We have probably MORE talent than all of these TEAMS.

    That is the biggest issue. Why is that happening? The QB is said to be the most important position, this string of losses has to have an explanation.

    I am not trying to be a downer in any way. We have A TON of talent on this team. I am very excted with Peterson and Wells as well as Housler, possibly Ryan Williams next year. Even A.J. Jefferson, ya he had a bad game but I think he has potential as a Nickelback or something.

    Bottomline, like most of you have said we need to make some changes…


    -Actually how did Kolb do really? First half we got ball deep in ravens territory twice I believe…and while he seemed a little comfortable during this period, we had ALL the momentum. The problem is when things don’t go our way he tends to break down…We had 3, count it, 3 yds (2nd half passing yd) at one point deep into the 4th i believe lol. Problem with Kolb is he doesn’t learn from his mistakes week to week. There can be alot of reasons why its the case, but at some point its on him. Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Christian Ponder…enough said, Kolb has issues.

  65. By sport245245 on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    The quaterback is the one constant that is not getting it done. Look at other games and other teams.Their O-lines give up pressures and sacks Kolb is just not playing an average game at the position. I believed it was a mistake to trade for him, and his play has proved to me that it was not just a mistake, but a disaster. What should have been the absolute strength of this team, the secondary, is a mess. They couldn’t cover one guy. Boldin ate their lunch. For that I’m glad. I still insist he should have retired a Cardinal. What a great player. What an inspirational leader. Some real mistakes have been made, but none worse than not paying Boldin. What was given up for an unproven Kevin Kolb is a cloae second. Makes me wanna upchuck.

  66. By horned frog on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Anyone who thinks we’re better off with Skelton is just outrageous. Especially If you’re argument for playing him is, ” he couldn’t be any worse” or ” look at what he did last year “. Look at what Skelton did last year. If Kolb had Skelton’s stats from last year right now, we wouldn’t even be in the games that we are barely losing, we’d just be blown out every week. SIck of hearing about Skelton, give me a break. Cardinals didn’t even want him last year, he was the alternative to not getting Kafka.

    Eric- Brian Stewart as our D- Coordinator, hope thats a joke. You think every team in the NFL just happened to pass on the next diamond in the rough DC that you think Brian Stewart is. He went from drinking wine to stomping grapes pretty fast for a guy that you believe to be NFL-caliber. Probably for a reason, and don’t say politics. By the way his U of H defense is giving up 450 yds a game in Conference USA. JOKE.

    I get people are emotional about where the Cardinals are, but be rational.

  67. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Ken Whiz-in-NOT !!!!!. Break the bank Get Jim Harbaugh. Someone please fire that Loser of a coach we have. PLEASE.

  68. By BIGBERG on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    The offensive linemen should donate their paychecks to charity. They don’t deserve to cash thier checks this week. Highschool football players could have blocked better then what we saw today…

  69. By dan on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Urban, what ever happened to WR Limas Sweed? I know the Steelers let him go before the season and nobody has picked him up. Is the guy giving up or what? Wouldn’t hurt to bring him in.

  70. By Darren Urban on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Dan —

    RE: Sweed

    He remains a free agent. Showed pretty much nothing in three seasons plus a training camp in Pitt. (7 catches in 20 games played).

  71. By UC on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    What happened against the Ravens was perhaps the best example so far this year of just how badly Kenny and company are outcoached during games. Watch the Ravens post-game press conference, and you will hear that in the second half, their offense started running simple sets. I don’t know if their defense did that as well, but they obviously changed something about their defense at halftime. And what you saw from Kenny in response was failure to effectively react, again.

    In the postgame presser, Harbaugh says something like, “Sometimes it’s just about football.” Yep, sometimes it is. Sometimes it’s not about how convoluted and complicated and intricate the X’s and O’s can be arranged on a whiteboard by a degreed engineer, sometimes it’s just about football. You know, the kind of “smart, tough, disciplined football” Kenny promised to bring to Cardinal land when he was hired. Well, at least we got to see one bird-logo team display some “tough, smart, disciplined football” today.

    And for those people who continue griping about the skill level of the players on this team, for the most part outside of the offensive line, the players on this team can compete. Look at what they did today while being hampered by a head coach and staff who can’t pull their heads out. Predictable playcalling much? Staggered and/or delayed blitzing much? That’s not the fault of the players.

    My fear is that Michael will see this performance as some kind of indication of the team beginning to grasp Kenny’s oblique “system”, instead of as the devastating display of poor coaching that it actually is. And I’ve been giving Graves a pass on his job performance, because I’m not clear about just what areas of responsibility he has. But if he’s been backing Kenny as head coach for the last nine months or so, then he needs to be fired as well.

    It was at some point last year that I put my financial investment in this team on hold. If Michael continues to allow this coaching incompetence to continue much longer, after sticking the taxpayers with the bill for his new stadium, and with all of his big talk about fielding competitive teams and dropping a lot of money on free agents, then my emotional investment in this team can be taken away as well.

  72. By MattAZ on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    @SeeingRed – the talent is where? If by “there” you mean our team you haven’t really been following too closely of late

    @David Robles – you’re asking him to fire his coaching staff and *then* quit? Right…

  73. By MattAZ on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    The “System”

    I really wish our post-game presser media guys would question Whisenhunt (or however you spell his name, I frankly don’t have the respect to care to look it up) on his myopic “our proven system” manta. We had 2 years of success. 2 out of 5 yrs is not “proven”.

    From what I understand, post game today he claimed responsibility for the 1st half success by saying “we played within the system 1st half” and that’s what we’re capable of when executing his vision. Sorry, 21 pts coming from starts @ the 1yrd line, the 20yrd line (around there), and a punt return for TD is not your system. That’s circumstance. Your system doesn’t work with the personnel YOU brought in so adapt or please accept extinction.

  74. By Rugbymuffin on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    “For a half, it felt like a corner had been turned.”

    Really ? Wow. I knew the Cardinals were going to lose that game. Regardless if it was going to be a blow out, or the normal choke fest.

    At what point did Kolb seem like he was going to do anything positive on offense ?


    Why ? Cause I could tell they were going to lose, even when up by 21 points.


  75. By HAM on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Im not even mad this time because I kind of knew that they would blow the game. Im am proud of the fact that we could run against the best defense in the NFL. Beanie is worth all the hype coming out of OSU. The cure to fixing whats wrong is to go back to a 4-3 on defense and to totally revamp our coaching staff.

    I believe that we also need to get rid of Graves as well. You let toooo many high motor players leave to free agency. I just think that we need to find an Identity in this league. We are bread from the NFC EAST the most competetive division in the NFL. Its time to start over from the top to the bottom. Get a new GM and Coach and lets fix this mess. Its hard to win games when everyone is not on the same page.

    Draft to fix your O-Line problem and get the best available receiver in free agency. Let the best playing Quarterback in training camp earn the title as “Starter” instead of handing it to an unproven quarterback. I actually believe the best quarterback on our team is Skelton, at least he can win games.

    Just remember we was all drinking that kool-aid……………. In Whiz we trust! What a joke!

  76. By GW on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Hey georgebird i would put no#5 as no#1 and thats why the nfl will not let the cards get luck they expect him to be the next manning(peyton) the cards will destroy this kid career .

  77. By John S on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    So obviously Whisenhunt lied when he said the “what we do and who we’re doing it with” line. Kolb cannot produce any type of offense especially in crucial 2nd half situations, so why is he being left in the game??? Does anyone else just sit there and say “what a joke” when the Cards get the ball and the announcers start saying the Cards need a drive here, or need a first down? The Cards are the only team you can watch where you know exactly what’s going to happen on every offensive play. I wasn’t going to say this before, but those who have been saying Kolb is worse then D.A., you are correct. Hey Darren, how about posting the number of 3rd down conversions the Cards have made this year. You want to see something amazing, please post it.

  78. By Darren Urban on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    John S —

    RE: 3rd downs

    The Cardinals are 27-for-84 this season, 32 percent.

  79. By clssylssy on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    OMG! This was a good game against one of the best teams in the NFL. To hear the “Card fans” on this site you would think we were shut out with something like a 60 burger! I don’t know if anyone noticed the TRIPLE coverage on Fitz, but we knew they would do that. This is the first time in so Iong, I can’t remember,that sports analysts had anything remotely flattering to say about the Cards. The officiating this season has been ludicrous. Yes, we blew a 21 point lead but this was the RAVENS at home! Boldin had some payback coming cause nobody appreciated the force he can bring when he was here despite the pleadings of Warner and Fitzgerald!. We were up against some MAJOR players in Lewis, Reed, Boldin, Rice, Suggs…read their stats people…It’s too bad we didn’t have Heap and Rhodes but the rookies did pretty good. Kolb isn’t really worse than Falco, the difference is the people around Falco make him look better. I have always felt we play to the level of our opponent…just hope we can remember the Rams put a whipping on the Saints and keep our play up next week. If we had won, what would people have to
    rant about??? AND Georgiebird…Bidwells are CHEEP, CHEEP, CHEEP! GOOD GOING GUYS…next time you will close the deal!

  80. By wnycardfan on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    can’t help adding my two cents, even if its the same as others
    Actually able to watch 1st half, and I was happy to see some emotion and some toughness, where’s that been all season? Kolb even looked a bit more in control. I did see HORRIBLE O-line, they suck. I did see Beanie doing well, despite gimpy-ness, thought he was going to die when he got TD and landed on his head. Glad to see him toughing it up. ROberts – was he even playing??? DEF – the LB’s looked a lot better than games past, keep them in there, get rid of the old guys. Peterson looked better too, not there yet, but looks improving.
    2nd half – WTH happened?? Same old cards. Yeah, Ravens good team, but you had them by 21 points and had them reeling, you let them win. You played horrible and you lost emotion. 6 losses sucks. I see some flashes of good players etc, but not enough to win in this league. Coaching still looks poor on both sides. I am worried about next week with Rams, who will win the NFC Worse division last place competition? After that, well, you might as well watch fishing or do some chores around the home rather than watch the brutal beatings coming up.

  81. By reap37 on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve said this many times now, but I still don’t understand the insistence on using the Whiz System, whatever that is. Is it Steelers sub2? That means #1 ferocious defense (don’t have), #2 consistent running game (don’t have) #3 good QB to manage game (don’t have). Giving up 350 yards mostly in the second half will not get it done. Aren’t good coaches supposed to maximize the talent of their players? If they have a “good system” aren’t they supposed to draft players that fit it (something the Steelers are masters at). I think we have many talented football players who have no identity as a team. That is the organization’s problem, not the players!

  82. By BIG RED 66 on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Is there a unwritten rule of this great Pittsburgh west 3-4 defense where it is not allowed to double team a WR who it just making our DC look like a idiot who refuses to adjust anything. Even a 8 year old could see that double coverage would of been the smart thing to do on #81. Oh and when I am at it is there also a rule the you only throw to your highest paid star WR 5 times the whole day. I had friends calling me at half saying the game was in the bag and I said that they will find a way to lose. Jaworski nailed it on the head-we do have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Nice offensive calls in the 2nd half Miller yo suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  83. By Mark on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    The Cards are just plain aweful! BAD coaching! BAD defense! BAD Offense!!! Hard to be a Cards fan anymore. The season is lost after this mess. Always playing to lose doesn’t help. The 3/4 defense DOES NOT WORK! Get rid of it and the defensive coordinator. I will keep watching and have my wife tell me I told you they would lose again. I am a lifelong Cards fan but come on guys! You keep making the ESPN highlites reels in the wrong way!

  84. By MooseVA on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    The only QB who has been sacked more this year than KK (24times) is Ben Rottenburger (25 times). I guess Ken found a way to copy the Steelers after all…
    Ben completes passes at a 64% rate to KK’s 56% and has a 2/1, td/int ratio to KK’s 1/1…Ken missed the mark there

    Analysis= Steelers do it their way, The Cards need an identity other than the Pittsburg Retirement Home

  85. By adam sheafe on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    And I received responses to my posts from people on here saying to give this team some time.. LOL Time? Get rid of Whiz!!!!! This is the Cardinals organization I know. It’s okay. That’s what the owners are known for. Everyone is known for something. By the way.. Mr. Bidwell if you want to win get rid of Rod Graves and Justin Casey too. Their just as horrible or worst than the coaches.

  86. By SteveDCO on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Stop the Suck for Luck shouts please.

    I am actually a fan of this team and want them to win a few games. Don’t fotget we have STL x2 and Indy and Miami will be hard pressed to win.

    Matt Kalil or Jonathan Martin are both stud Tackels who will go in the top 5 in 2012. We have to get one of them. Brandon Kieth is awful and Levi Brown is going to get Kolb killed protecting his blindside.

    I don’t believe as a few have said that the talent is there.

    Doucet, Roberts, Brown, Keith, Porter, Haggens, Jefferson, R Johnson, A Wilson are all playing out of position or just not good enough.

    Yes I said it, Wilson is having a terrible season. He looks a step or 6 slow on every play and is getting our CBs killed. Rhodes basically called him out versus the Panthers and you see the comments the CBs have started to make.

    Acho and Schofield need to start the rest of the season so we know what we have and Skelton needs to get two starts to see what he really is.

    I loved how they drafted last year and we need to take the same approach in 2012 as we can’t afford to miss on draft picks.but we have to try and fill with mid level FAs as well and possibly a big move at OLB, WR or OT.

  87. By GW on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    DARREN just for halloween sake could you post the story of the pennsylvania town that put a HEX on thecards/bidwill family for stealing their championship in 1947 not sure but i remeber this back during the SB run MAYBE THIS EXPLAIN why the cards have a horrible history being 1 of the oldest franchise in the nfl just for HALLOWEEN sake darren.Personally i dont believe in superstition but in this case i dont know. BIDWILL MAKE A REPLICA OF THE TROPHY FOR THAT PA TOWN.

  88. By wampag on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Okay D,

    I am heartbroken after Sunday as I am sure we all are

    I cannot believe St. Louis beat the Saints either and where at the bottom

    Interesting note: was watching the game with a friend who is an eagles fan and he hadn’t seen Kolb play since the trade he said it looked like Kolb spent too much time behind mcnabb and learned some bad habits what do you think about the CARDS bringing in a veteren QB (not to play) but to teach like Warner as an advisor c’mon KURT we need you

    and finally ok he has turf toe and he played through it but you CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT take that sack and lose field position on that play you just CANNOT did he say anything about that

  89. By BIG RED on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Thank You, Suspence716 you hit it right on the button. We could have had the same production out of DA and not pay as much. I still think DA played better than that #4. Time for Skelton to get in there and make Fitz look good or should I say bad ( for pulling for #4). Just getting tired of the same stuff week after week.

  90. By GW on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    I see all these rookie qb playing good football.i think if whiz and fitz would have gave skelton a chance last year instead of max hall/da he would be playing good football right now because first the cards could have got a no#2wr/goob some lb kept drc and their draft picks.but whiz kept saying i do not play rookies duhh. everyone knows he was the best qb last year(remeber the cowboys game fitz)he came through in the clutch something kolb hasn’t done all year.skelton probaly the best qb this year give the kid a chance season over anyway there’s no way the cards catch the 49er’s

  91. By Stop making excuses on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Rod Graves and Ken Whisenhunt must go. The defensive coordinator must go. Levi Brown must go.

    Thats a good start.
    23 years of rooting for a pathetic organization Im sick and tired.

  92. By MIKE G on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Heartbreaking loss for the Cards yesterday. I felt bad because they gave a good effort. They just could not close the deal given the nice halftime lead. Offense has to score in the second half. The QB has to improve and not be reckless in the pocket. Very frustrating with the 3 pass interference calls putting the ball on the one yard line. I give Beanie a lot of credit for playing–I did not think he would go earlier in the week. Special teams and the defense with 2 turnovers did some nice things. You just have to win when you are up 24-6 at half. I have to put this on the QB –he has to make some plays in the 2nd half to lead his team to a victory. I also thought Doucet had 2 costly drops. Even on Fitz’s 66 yard reception–you have to get 7 points
    there. I thought Acho & Schofield did some nice things – would like to see more of them. The Cards were 2 for 11 on 3rd down — that says it all — that cant happen when building a 24-6 lead– that is a reflection on the QB. Hopefully –he can improve as the season goes on. Hey Darren–what did you think of the 3 defensive interference penalties on the Cards that put the ball on the one!!
    Home Cooking for the Ravens???? Guys were playing the ball!!! Becoming touch football???

  93. By dberg on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Enough of the “..Kolb doesnt fit the system…” talk. The obvious problem on this team is that we need to get rid of two tackles and a guard. Watching Levi Brown stand up every time the ball is snapped and barely push out against the rush on every play is getting frustrating. Kolb may need to learn a couple things, but are we really going to say protect the ball more, or get it out of your hands really fast? Come on. When you snap the ball and theres someone in your grill on every play, what are you supposed to do? a quick throw is a pick. protect the ball is a sack. The major issue here is the o-line. This stupid “lets draft Luck” talk needs to go. If we do that, we will just put another QB in the pocket that will get no time to throw or make reads. Figure it out AZ fans. The only reason you didnt see this when Warner was here is because that is a future HOFer. The only thing I dont like about having Kolb is that we gave up an experienced corner to get him. Bet AZ fans arent compaining about DRC getting beat in coverage last year a few times anymore.

  94. By dberg on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Also, Wiz definitely needs to go. No Offensive play calling by the coach, and no more Pitt retreads.

  95. By BIll on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Why does Coach Grimm still have a job? I’m not even gonna talk about Adrian Peterson over at Left Tackle, but Brandon Keith has shown …. ………… no sings of an NFL career.

    We need to Suck for Matt Kalil (USC) or Jonathan Martin (Stanford).

  96. By Christo on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Can we just get some tough questions levelled at Whiz an Co. in the media?

    If it can’t be you Darren, understandable to a degree, perhaps you can ask one of your journalist colleagues?

  97. By Darren Urban on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Christo —

    RE: “tough” questions

    Curious to exactly what you think Whisenhunt is going to say, even with different questions?

  98. By clssylssy on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Evan: You are spot on my friend! If people would take a good look around the league they would see that the really great teams share certain things beyond the players and win-loss records. They have a recognizable home, i.e. Arrowhead, Lambaugh Field, The Dome, and presence in the community which the Cards have only just begun really since moving to “The Nest”…Cardinals have always been active in the community,just lacked recognition; they have a supportive organization that will spend what is needed to build a competitive team, and they have a fan base that is loyal,loud, and unwavering through the lean years as well as the glory days. We, as fans, have been part of the problem in only being supportive when we are having a play-off year or Superbowl run! Let’s get behind our Cards. GO CARDINALS, YOU CAN DO IT !!!

  99. By Jahstone on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Everybody is right, and all the fans seem to be on the same page. What has Graves really done for us? What has Russ Grimm done??? and what has Whiz done lately??? The Bidwells spent money this off-season; too bad we didn’t have the right Front Office people as well as coaches to evaluate the best talent we could have gotten in here. OT is at a college level; CB’s are playing at a practice squad level; and the OLB’s with talent finally got on the field. IF they would just put all the pieces back together, we could have a good team again. Get two new OT’s to protect your $63 million dollar investment at QB. Get a QUALITY #2 WR to enhance your $120 million dollar investment. and please get quality CB’s to protect your PRIDE on D (Carlos Rodgers was available as were a few other CB’s doing real well with other teams). We seem to do good in some areas and then forget a piece or two. How is E.D. or A.R. living up to the #2 WR???
    Funny how Suggs comes back to bite us in the ass!!! Who were those other draft picks again?? EXACTLY!!

  100. By Jahstone on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Almost Forgot…Much praise to Daryl Washington!! At least we replaced one position through the draft 🙂

  101. By jrebo on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    stop write TIME FOR SUCK FOR LUCK
    there is no real chance get him, because Dolphins or Colts are not dumb, they has 0 wins! and they lose everything… 0-16 atleast 1 of them.

  102. By Dennis on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    This weekend the fans need to send a message to management and NOT sell out the Rams game.

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  104. By Eric Y on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply


    I’m with you %100. This team needs our support. I was at that steelers game and felt sick at how many cards fans just weren’t involved. Even worse was how many non cards fans there were. The cardinals have always thrived on the crowd’s involvement. We need to scream our heads off on each defensive play. We need to show this team we support them. It’s frustrating to lose but It’s getting me upset when I see how many people throw this team out the window when we’re down.

    Doucet is a solid number 2! Quit saying we don’t have a number 2! Yes we need more depth at WR but that is by no means our biggest problem.

    I think that all we can asks for this season is improvement. Some signs of hope. I hope we can draft well, keep our key players, cut out some of the fat (old guys who don’t have it anymore), and get this franchise turned around over the next couple of years and get reedy to host a Super Bowl at hope… with THIS COACHING STAFF!

  105. By jocards on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Yesterday’s game perfectly illustrates why I prefer baseball to football. An NFL game is so arbitrary and an official’s flag usually has an enormous impact on the outcome of a game. Yesterday the Ravens are in a 3rd and goal and the Cardinals make a stop. Ooops! No they didn’t, here comes a flag from the head linesman even though it should’ve been the back judge’s call, 1st and goal. I really wonder if the Steelers or the Packers have that call go against them. That is just one example of the arbitrary nature of the game. There are calls throughout the course of the game that are very questionable certainly arbitrary and in a close game they are the difference between winning and losing. Best not to really think too much about it because if you do it really makes one wonder what is the point of watching in the first place.

  106. By Sarah on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Please let’s hope Kolb’s turf toe keeps him out this week !!! I mean as much as he tries he is not worth what we paid and this should not be a write off season just to have him learn our system . Skelton in my opinion would have grown allot faster post rookie season 4 games and the fans like the guy, we pay the tickets and at this point we are tired of Kolb struggling and excuses. Skelton brings confidence and a change of pace so let’s see if he is worth having him stick around. I think Skelton would have grown into a starter this season, given what has transpired let’s see if he can do it. I think this is an answer the fans want to know. The Kolb deal is a mind blowing given the fact that he really did not show much in Philly, as it stands we are stuck with him.

    Season is a bust so Skelton please, at least last years Dallas game was fun to watch and we all want to see the progress from last season.

  107. By Dave on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Honestly—I relaize six games don’t make a QB’a career, and we’ve been spolied withthe few years spent in Arizona., but it just appears to me that Kevin Kolb is never going to be that elite QB that a franchise needs. Again, I know I’m jumping the gun, but just watching Kolb is frustrating. He has absolutely no pocket presence and looks like he’s scared to death out there–meaning–he has no presence at all!! Obviously everything has changed since Kurt left. But, if I was the coach, I would look at film and try and get a QB as close to Kurt as possible and run the same offense. Meaning, Kurt got rid of the ball quick—he more or less thew to a location knowing the receover was going to be there. I relaize we’re short Breaston and Boldin, so of the other guys (Doucet-Roberts-Samspon) can’t get it done, get rid of them and move on. None of the threee mentioned catch the ball with any cosnsitencies. The Cards made that Super Bowl run with a certain offensive style of football. They need to get back to that or as close as they are able to with what they have for layers, I understand that–maybe our best bet at this point is hope that Todd Haley gets fired from KC and comes back to AZ. Or better yet—cut your losses and throw our hat in the ring for Andrew Luck!!

  108. By NJAZCardsFan on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Darren- Any reason why Lutui is starting? Did he reach his weight limit?

  109. By Darren Urban on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    NJAZ —

    RE: Lutui

    Deuce is not starting.

  110. By kevin on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    I been waiting . I was saying give Kolb until middle of the season see how he does and seems to get worse. Only 10 passes completed come on MAN. You have a group that is talented. Stop making stupid mistakes look at the penalties killing us. We do need someone to step up Larry cant do it unless he gets the ball and Wells love the dude kicks butt. Our tight ends very good you have Early on other side to me looks very solid. Our defensive backs they are just bad no getting around it. Our linebackers and defensive front doing a good job we are getting sacks. Our offensive line not that bad if we had Kurt we would be winning. Takes a QB. Kolb needs to take a pay cut I do know that. I was hoping for Orton I believe we would be in a better position every QB has bad days just the ones we have do not have the experience.

  111. By VoiceofReason on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    That crap we saw out there yesterday was simply embarrassing. It goes to coaching (how do you lose to a team who can’t score when you’re up three touchdowns at halftime?). Goes to GM, who either passed on players that wanted to be here (Suggs) or traded guys that would have been in the Ring of Honor (Boldin).

    The same guy who thinks we have no corner problems (because he isn’t bringing in guys off the street to work out to see if maybe, just maybe, we might see some improvement). Bickley said it best — maybe (ya think?) it’s time the Cards actually hire a real GM who knows how to acquire talent. Graves has been awful since the day he got here, and he was just as awful with the Bears before. It’s a joke.

    I still think back to the Draft Party at Jacksons on Third in 2003 when we had Suggs there for the taking — keep in mind that pass rush was probably our biggest need at the time – passed to move down to take Pace and Johnson. Granted, the rest of that draft was actually pretty good, but when every armchair GM knows it’s a bad move, the actual GM ought to know better.

    All Suggs has done is be the pass rusher we’ve looked for ever since.

    It makes me sick when I see guys on the street — guys like Lito Sheppard, for example — who have played at a high level in the NFL that the Cards show zero interest in.

    Let’s make this simple: Name an elite corner that was picked outside of the Top 20. You can’t. Even more challenging — name a marginal or better corner picked outside of the first three rounds. That’s tough too. Name a marginal or better corner that wasn’t drafted PLAYING TODAY. Zero.

    Why? Because corner, perhaps more than any other position on the field, is about athleticism. Elite athleticism. You either have it or you don’t. Measurables matter at this position, more than any other. So the AJ Jeffersons of the world don’t get drafted. The Patrick Petersons do.

    This isn’t to say that busts don’t happen with athletic, high round guys. Rather this IS TO SAY that good corners are NOT, EVER found outside the draft. Such finds do not happen. I love Money Mike, but I don’t want him starting at corner. I like AJ, but he isn’t a starter either. Like Adams, he’s a nickel to dime corner at best.

    And look at all of our games. The word is out. Get a good receiver matched up on AJ, and throw away. Because hard work and effort, alone, don’t get you there at corner.

  112. By BIG RED on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Oh! cmon Rio even Romo does that. Even when his throwing to the other team. You know, come to think about it they both play the same way.

  113. By kevin on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Andrew Luck why do we need him just to go down the same road we did with the last top QB we had? Matt.

  114. By dynasty1717 on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply


    Let us suppose (hope for some) that Graves, Whiz, and the Bidwells see what many fans see – Kolb isn’t getting it done and leaves little hope that he will EVER get it done, even with numerous additional games, practices, new WRs, better OL, etc. In other words, they all agree that he doesn’t have IT to be a successful franchise QB in this league. With the contract the Cards signed Kolb to, what options do the Cards have financially if they can’t find a trading partner? Cut him from the roster, but have to pay the guaranteed money? Keep him on the roster as a backup, but still have to pay guaranteed money? I am trying to understand how the Cards could relieve themselves of the Kolb debt if they decide he is not THE GUY to free up dollars for a new QB. Or do the Cards, as I fear, have relatively no options and must pay the guaranteed money, thus the word “guarantee”? Bottom line, are we stuck with Kolb for the near future financially regardless of performance?

  115. By Darren Urban on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    dynasty1717 —

    RE: Kolb

    Let me start by saying I still believe, given the investment in Kolb both in trade and with the contract, it’s too early to make that decision. It’s too early to make that determination regardless.

    That said, yes, there is a little more guaranteed money due next year, but not so much that it would prohibit cutting ties if that’s what they chose to do.

  116. By BIG RED 66 on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    This team doesn’t deserve any support and the ownership could care less as long as they are making money. Coaching staff is inept and obviously can’t adjust the game plan during the game. As far as the crys for stop the suck for lick talk0THIS COACHING STAFF AND OWNERSHIP IS TOO STUPID TO TAKE HIM EVEN IF WE HAVE THE FIRST PICK. Luck would rather stay in College another year than come play for the Cardinals. Wolfley has prpbably already told Luck dad to stay in college if cards get #1. It is just sad that Larry commited career suicide by resigning. Hopefully the turf toe is far worse that that, Kolb sucks.

  117. By Kevin on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Enough about Skelton. Look, I like him too, but they just made a huge investment in Kolb. This team is just a few plays away from being 4-3 in which case no one would be complaining. I agree Kolb hasn’t been good, but he is the QB of the future or else we don’t give him that contract. You don’t change your mind about that kind of decision after 7 games, especially when he hasn’t been that bad and the O-line is horrible. (Heck, he’s a higher-rated passer for the year than Flacco.)

    And the problem with playing Skelton now is, this team will win some football games. They aren’t as bad as the Colts or Dolphins. They’ve nearly beaten the 5-2 Ravens and 5-2 Giants (they were lucky vs. the Ravens but outplayed NYG), and lost their other 2 games by 1 and 3 points. Simply by regression to the mean this team is going to win. A very good chance vs. STL this week at home. Stick Skelton in there and they squeak out a win, and now you have the Max Hall problem. They were 2-2 last year when Max “won” that game against NO (which was really won by our defense) despite fumbling twice and throwing an INT. So then of course having beaten the defending champs we had to let him try again and he had one of the worst games I’ve ever seen vs. Seattle. But, hey, he’s our QB now, and he beat the defending champion Saints, so we have to give it to him one more time… and he throws 2 pick-6’s and is completely ineffective vs. the Bucs at home before yielding to DA who almost leads us to a comeback win. I don’t want Skelton getting a win vs. the hapless Rams and then that forces us to keep playing him, taking time away from Kolb.

  118. By welpe on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    @georgiebrown: Don’t worry, I was sober enough, just tried to get something new into perspective.

    Every week there is the same debate about who is doing the mistakes. Luck yes, Luck no. And honestly I trust the staff that they know what they’re doing. There were improvements and once again other mistakes made in the game. I want to see the “system” developing until the end of the season. As far as I like Skelton, we should keep Kolb, they paid and it would be ridicilous to keep Kolb out of the game, he got the tools, his mind with the system and the O-Line is the problem.

    So please no changements in staff, the whole team is working on that system, it needs time and work on step by step.

  119. By APCARDS on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Hi Darren-
    Is Stephen Spach still available for TE?
    Do you think Acho has earned the starting role?


  120. By Darren Urban on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    APCards —

    RE: Spach/Acho

    1) Spach signed with the Rams.
    2) Yes.

  121. By Bob on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    So, I don’t know about anyone else? But how about all those drops? Kolb completed under 50% of his passes, but how many would he have completed if people hadn’t been dropping them all over the field? Sure some were tough, but this is the nfl, tough has to be made, Roberts is good for at least 3 drops a game, Doucet dropped some as well, the front office laughed at the fans when the fans wanted a legit #2, well guess who was right?

  122. By dan on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    I say put Sweed on medication and sign him up….hehe!

  123. By dieselbomb on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    UC – ( Replying to your Oct 31st post ) :

    Excellent assessment!

    Your conclusions for yourself – I cannot comment on; those details are personal. But as for the remainder – I wholeheartedly concur.

    There ~IS~ talent on this team. Those who are talented DO execute, and they seem to take it on themselves to put forth quality effort on their own.

    I believe a lot of what’s holding the team down ~IS~ the play-calling and the scheme chosen at critical points. I DO hold Kolb responsible for his own mental and athletic execution, and he should be showing improvement over time; but in his defense he doesn’t have a quality Blocking Back, nor does he have competent OL protection (Guards and Center seem stout enough). He can’t even set his feet – and cannot depend on a set number of cadence Counts – before a face-to-face meeting with the Defense. Long Receiver Routes are basically out of the question. I don’t think Kolb ever expected to be running for his life 75% of EVERY game! I don’t think we’ve actually seen the real Kolb. I don’t think we’re likely to until the Cardinals Coaching/Administrative staff get any of our QBs appropriate protection. I don’t care what other QBs or other teams have done in similar situations; THIS team needs to change it up by providing a Back with blocking capabilities and a re-vamp in the O-Line.

    Cardinals Coaching sucks. Too many details as to why, so I’ll spare everybody. The staff, overall, just sucks. Horton’s a wildcard because he, too, is a Rookie. But whoever is in charge of which players take the field is responsible.

    We have too many holes to fill in one season for there to be big improvements. This is a systemic failure that arches over a number of seasons of basic inattentiveness.

    Result? Epic Failure in 2011.

  124. By Scott H on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    sports245 ( or whatever the hell it is )

    RE: “The QB is the one constant who is not getting it done”

    Really? Perhaps you’ve somehow managed to over-look the coaching? Do you have a close relative on this coaching staff, or something???? Sorry, but this debacle is now pretty much a season and a half in the making. The head coach has been here for every one of those games. Kevin Kolb’s been here for 6 of them. Now, do you want to stay in denial and believe the QB is really the problem here??? Unbelievable….

  125. By Christo on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    If he doesn’t say anything that is fine. It just needs to be brought up for pressure. I seriously doubt his job is secure right now if this is an East Coast team where he is hounded and kept on. This is crazy, he should be right up there with Tony Sporano. He dismantled an average team that got hot and went to the Super Bowl, which he had little to no part on building. To this current team, which is terrible.

    Ridiculous that for years, make no mistake that is the length of time, he can give the same generic answers to the same vanilla questions.

    Bring the heat !!

  126. By azlongboarding on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    “Suck for Luck” is total BS. He hasn’t played a single NFL down and people still think he can turn any team into a winner. Don’t get me wrong he’s great QB but he’s still UNPROVEN!

    BTW, to those that say we shouldn’t have traded for Kolb, who else was avaliable? Orton sucks, Palmer wasn’t going to be traded and we didn’t draft a QB.If we didn’t accquire a QB, the fans would have been b*tching about the “same old cardinals” but now they want Skelton to start.

    We were all spoiled by Warner & Co. but now it’s time to face reality and get used to losing. It will all pay off someday.

  127. By ZOMFG!!! on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Stop, Stop, Stop, Stop, Stop IT on get rid of Whisenhunt – all of you – stop it!!!

    We went to the SUPERBOWL. Ken Whisenhunt, Rod Graves, and Michael Bidwill got us to the ZOMFG Superbowl.

    Relax – winning takes time.

    Love this team – just needs some time to adapt and learn.

    LOVE my AZ Cards…

  128. By UK Card on Nov 1, 2011 | Reply

    NO! Suck for LUCK!!!!!!

    NO! CALLING for WHIZ’s job!

    We’ve waited this long! give KOLB and Whiz a full off season then we will see!!
    Hate seeing dumb asses calling for LUCK!!!

    Think it will be the worst, if Skelton comes in and gets a win!!! Start a similar Tebow debate!!!!!

  129. By Eazy E on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    Another game, another loss. This is a game we should have one getting out to a huge lead of 21 points and giving it away. We’ve blown 4 leads this season which seems like it is unheard of to do that and it probably is. Kolb had another bad game and it aint working out with him. I give him some props for playing with a turf toe all through the game, but it wasn’t good out there at all. 10-21, 153 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT isn’t 63 million dollars worth, hell, it aint 6.3 million dollars worth. Beanie played hurt and had a good game especially considering he was playing the #1 defense in the league. 22 carries for 83 yards and a TD. Fitz isn’t getting the ball nearly enough with only 3 catches for 98 yards, his average is monstrous, but teams are doubling and tripling him and that is tough to always beat that and get his usual catches. T.O. anyone, he would help alot??? The Andre Roberts experiment blew up in Whiz’s face, another catchless game which is embarrassing. Early had 2 catches for 20 yards, but did have a TD on a back shoulder fade it looked like. O-Line played poorly. Levi and Keith were the main ones as always. Suggs had an all-pro type game and what do you expect from him, but that was bad. Keith got benched and that should have happened a couple weeks ago Whiz! Bridges should start for the rest of the season and Levi should get benched for Batiste to give him a wake up call for real, we gave up 6 sacks and I know all aren’t on the line, some of them Kolb needs to get rid of the ball but still, those ravens were everywhere. Defense played awesome in the 1st half, but their are 2 halves and that second one was awful with the O playing a big role only gaining 56 total yards in the 2nd half. D-Line played well against the run but Ray Rice still scored in the red zone 3 times Ouch! Calais made some plays and had a 0.5 sack with Lenon. Acho and Schofield collected sacks which is why they should start the rest of the season and Joey and Clark should be situational guys. I don’t know why we didn’t put Patrick on Boldin the whole game, Jefferson was unfortunately getting toasted, I mean great catch here and great separation there, it got rupaul ugly with that matchup. Marshall did get another INT, but got beat on the key play basically to end the game. A-Wil dropped a big int earlier in the game in the red zone that would have been a huge play but it only led to a FG by the ravens but could have been nothing for them and probably a pick 6 for us. Patrick had another electrifying punt return for TD. He is making so many plays at cb and as a pr. The rams are next and we both are 1-6, so the battle for out of the cellar of the west??? Out of last place?? We gotta win because we have 3 straight road games afterwards that we won’t be favored in. Acquire T.O. Cardinals and stop being so damn stubborn and stuck in your ways, Andre aint getting it done and everybody knows it, T.O. can come in and beat his butt.

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