Eagles aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on November 13, 2011 – 8:57 pm

When we got on the plane tonight to fly back to Arizona, the announcement came that the headwinds were nasty. The return was going to be more than five hours. It didn’t seem to really matter. Gotta say, a long flight home always feels a little – OK, a lot – better after a victory. The mood is completely different.

Two wins in a row for the first time since Week 15 and 16 of 2009. The first win on the road since the season opener in St. Louis a season ago. And as coach Ken Whisenhunt pointed out, the Cards did a couple of things Sunday in Philly they hadn’t too many times this season: Scored a TD on a final drive when it was necessary, and gotten a defensive stop to finish it off.

So, with that as the big-picture background, a few thoughts:

— Of course, the big story is going to be John Skelton. Yes, the second-year QB just keeps making things stickier and stickier for Whisenhunt whenever Kevin Kolb returns to health. Larry Fitzgerald certainly wanted no part of a question asking him to compare Skelton and Kolb. “Both of them we feel we can win with, and that’s a good problem to have,” Fitzgerald said.

Good is relative. But Skelton just seems to be getting better. He needed that last drive to show that. He had 315 yards passing and three touchdowns. He also had two bad interceptions that almost cost them the game. He has made Andre Roberts relevant again. And he had two beautiful passes on that final drive, the bomb to Fitz (which he never saw, because he was getting clobbered as he threw) and the wheel route to The Hyphen on fourth-and-2.

He has shown a little bit of “it” though, hasn’t he? On the sideline, “He was mad and upset when he missed a couple of things,” Whisenhunt said. “But he is calm. He’s got that look and it shows in his demeanor on the field.”

Whiz was asked about Skelton as permanent starter. He didn’t dismiss it, like he had the previous week. But he punted. “I’m just going to enjoy this and worry about that later,” he said.

— In two starts, Skelton is 17-for-30 for 238 yards, three touchdowns and an interception in the fourth quarter – a 101.8 passing rating.

— “The Trade” didn’t exactly have a banner day as a storyline. Kolb was hurt and didn’t play. Cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie hurt his ankle and left the game.

— In his last two games against the Eagles – which was today plus the NFC Championship game – Fitz has 16 catches for 298 yards and five touchdowns.

— Whiz, on the decision – gutsy as it was – to go for it on fourth-and-2 with 3:10 left and three timeouts remaining: “Fourth down, where it was, we had a good play. We felt they would give us a shot at LaRod. It’s a tough throw. We felt like we had a bead on that. The way they were playing. We felt like, in that situation, we had to take our shot.” Honestly, the call didn’t surprise me, and I thought it was worth it. Always looks better after it works.

— Here’s tangible proof of the better defensive play: The Cardinals had given up 41 plays of 20 or more yards in the first seven games. The last two? Five combined. The Eagles had two today, after notching 45 in their first seven games.

— Calais Campbell (pictured below) now isn’t just making sacks and blocking kicks, now he’s getting interceptions.

— A.J. Jefferson has had a rough go of it most of the season (and was flagged for another pass interference Sunday). But he came up with the game-sealing interception with 33 seconds left and was all smiles. “Yeah man, there is pressure on me, and getting that first pick, I feel like it’s the start of something,” Jefferson said. “It takes a lot of pressure off.”

— Adrian Wilson should have, what, four interceptions now? Lost one Sunday because of a Richard Marshall penalty and has dropped at least two (maybe three, the memory is sketchy). The one Sunday was a great grab.

— The Eagles kicked to Patrick Peterson and dared him to return punts. He only averaged 4.5 yards on six returns.

— Couldn’t have been a happier Card than Jay Feely, whose misses could have been disaster. But can I make a quick point? Feely hasn’t had a couple of bad games because he’s well-rounded or likes to tweet. To suggest that’s the reason is crazy.

— Want to enjoy some audio fun? Check out Jim Omohundro’s radio mashup from Sunday.

OK, that’s enough. A couple hours left in the flight. I’m sure it’ll fly by.

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115 Responses to “Eagles aftermath”

  1. By JR on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, why isn’t Kolb wearing a head set so he can listen to what the plays are being called and how he could execute them.

  2. By Darren Urban on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    JR —

    RE: Kolb headset

    I don’t know.

  3. By reap37 on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    What I liked most about this game is that I never thought the game was over for us at any time. Team seemed to be in control and we felt they would do something to get the win. These guys are playing for each other now and that is always good. Let’s see what we can do to the 49er’s next Sunday. They are overdue for a let down. Let’s keep the momentum going and see what we really have.

  4. By Bill on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply


    OK, that said, the starting QB job is still Kolb’s to lose. If he is the competitor we need him to be, he will be motivated by Skelton breathing down his neck. Hopefully he will lock in, quiet down his happy feet, and play the position with the calm and precision it demands. And hopefully, Coah Wiz knows he can trust Skelton, and won’t hesitate to play him when Kolb reverts back to panic mode…

    Darren, how short of a leash do you think Kolb will have, when it comes to improving his level of play? How anemic will a Kolb-led offense need to be for Coach Wiz to go to Skelton mid-game?

  5. By georgiebird on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Finally a nice game for Whiz. It’s amazing how a lot of the guys on this site have been right on this year:
    1) play Skelton
    2) put the young guys in at LB

    I thought Whiz had his finest game as a HC. He chewed out Feely; he showed some fire with the refs. He’s learning to play the best players and he’s learning to have faith in his young players. The playing calling was aggressive and the defense showed some speed and stamina.
    Whiz should have been at this point 2 months ago (but better late than never).

  6. By drummer-1 on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    @ JR

    I Thought i saw Kolb with what look’d like a walkie talkie in his hand, not sure though…

  7. By Cardinalchris on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Defense is looking much, much better while offensive line continues to be offensive. Too many blown assignments from an experienced group. Have to start asking whether the players or coaching is responsible. I don’t think there’s a QB competition at all. Skelton looks better, period. Skelton deserves the opportunity to develop. Give him 5 more games, let’s compare him to Kolb’s 7 games this year. Kolb looks like a 5 year old girl on Holloween – scared of everything including shadows. Skelton stands in the pocket like an NFL QB, takes the shot and delivers the ball. Kolb still worth the trade to get Fitz signed!! Fitz is just so fun to watch!! Can’t wait to see Ryan Williams on the field next year. Hope we have some Off linemen added to the team by then.

  8. By cards>niners on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    fitz went yonkers

  9. By Code on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Georgiebird nailed it. Whiz had his best game ever as a coach. He’s getting rewarded for playing young players like Schofield, D-Wash and Acho. Cailas Campbell is having a stellar season and Adrian is starting to get it. Maybe he’s feeling better after that torn bicep? Not sure. Good to see Marshall get the start over Jefferson. PP is starting to come around and is going to be very, very special.

    You know, it almost feels like one of those situations where the Cardinals had to face all the adversity known to man to finally get it. I mean, I know we’re all happy to see a win but this was a win against a good football team. Nobody can take that away from the Cards.

  10. By Kurt on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Hats off to the defense – Mr. Vick will have a very long week

  11. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Please beat the 49ers. One game at a time. I’m positive we can make the wildcard if we put together a few more wins. ok. alot more wins.
    Go Cards !!!!

  12. By Chris B on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Wow. And they didn’t get a play for PP to win it.

    I said that for me to jump on to the Skelton band wagon I needed to see a big game from him. This is me jumping on the wagon. His completion percentage was low, he got lucky a few times because the Eagles DB’s can’t catch but boy, when he needed to be clutch he was. Three TD passes. I’m officially impressed.

    That being said, one of two things probably should happen.
    1) Start Skelton until Kolb is 100% and has practice time under him. Don’t rest him this week w/o practice then play him in SF. That bodes poorly.
    2) One option for this coaching staff is to rest Kolb, make him the back-up for now. Give him all the time he needs to learn the offense w/o the pressure of winning games. Then make it a competition going into camp.
    2.a) I believe trading for Kolb was the right thing. I think Kolb is the best QB on the roster. I think Kolb will win us a lot games in the future. I think he needs to learn it first, become a master of the offense and build chemistry with his receivers (see Skelton, Roberts). I think this gives the Cards the best chance to win AND limits the QB “controversy” talks. I don’t envy Whiz right now.

    Keeping the hapless Rams out of the end zone was a fluke. Wasn’t going to happen again, especially against one of the best offenses in the game, the Eagles…. wow…. If the defense plays like this the rest of the year, it won’t matter who the QB is. We could win with Kolb or Skelton. Incredible.

    Daryl Washington should be in the Pro Bowl. Period.

    Calais Campbell is benefiting from Dockett’s double teams and is beginning to show why he should warrant some doubles as well. Teams are going to have to figure out which one they want to double and I believe that if they double both, David Carter and Dan Williams will show up on the stat sheet. If not them, Acho and Schofield will. The talent on this defense is beginning to impress in major ways.

    Wow. I don’t care who’s on the schedule or where we’re playing. This team can win out. I believe it.

  13. By Marcus on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    actually i think the sole reason Feely has had bad games i think is because he tweets so much, especially this week with the penn state thing. oh and in other news, after doing some calculations, everyone else is wrong 2+2=7 not 4!

    but seriously i dont about skelton. should we start him? ehhh i dont know. he looks good at times, and he’s improving. i have always thought kolb is the guy, but sadly enough i wish he would stay out one more week so we can really see skelton. if i had to pick it now, i’d say go with kolb. cant pull the plug on ur guy after his backup has some good not great games.

  14. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply


    As much as you desire to see Kolb start when healthy rather than Skelton, don’t you have to admit having a QB controversy caused by a progressing young QB to write about makes your job easier or more intersting than writing about loosing and a regressing QB?

  15. By Darren Urban on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Ottis —

    RE: Kolb/Skelton/my job

    Anything is better than writing the same losing story over and over. And let’s clarify one thing: It’s not my “desire” to see Kolb, it’s what I believe is the right thing to do. Although as I have mentioned, Skelton muddled that thought process a little more Sunday.

  16. By Bartel on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    I really thought Skelton lost it for us after the pick 6..and after the last int where he pretty much threw it right to the eagles lol.

    He played good beside those few horrid passes.

    But hey…Kolb looked GOOD after two games aswell.So has Skelton,when Kolb is healthy he needs to start.

  17. By Born n Bred on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Nice performace from the D for standing up to the task at hand, only if they could find a LB who could get consistent pressure.

    Honestly the offense was horrible for 3Quarters. Not until 12 min left in the game, with the O starting thier drive to try at 14, was the play calling good. Where were those play calls all game, I ask? Skelton did good in that and people will sing his praise but i aruge, Has Kolb ever gotten a drive that was consistent with the plays that were called from there on out. Even when Skelton threw the pick on the next drive the play calls where good, they only put him in the gun on 3rd downs, and when they couldnt punch it in round the goal line on the final drive. The O completly was different in the 4th.

    An identify needs to be made for this O… RB’s need to be used more. What are you going to do next year when Ryan Williams is better, just run him 7 times and pass to him 5, Then in turn run Beanie only 15-18 times again on a reg. While we keep passing… whoa how many times did we pass today??

    Running need to happen round 30-35 plays to 20-25 pass.

    Good Win… Coaches keep working

  18. By PACardsfan on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    All I can say is…..”Damn”, It was nice seeing the Cardinals play like they did today, exp. being a PA native and having to hear all the rude (majority), Philly fans talk and complian. I like DRC and it sucks that he got hurt in the 3rd quater, but I thought he did a pretty good job. I do miss him as a Card, but it looks like our DB’s are improving, and I like seeing Marshall in more now. Let’s cont. winning and make this season end on a good note. Go Cards.!!!!

  19. By az1965 on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton should start rest of the season.
    Skelton should start rest of the season.
    Skelton should start rest of the season.
    Skelton should start rest of the season.
    Skelton should start rest of the season.

    I hope the message is clear :)… Please pass on to Whiz.

  20. By BIG RED on Nov 13, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve been telling all you fools about Skelton, since the season started. What more do you want, even the Oline played better. I can just see all those #19 Jerseys on sunday at the game. Hopefully, they’ll start selling soon. Come on cards organization that’s a good way of making money so you can pay Kolb what you owe him. Then ship him out to Dallas. Our future is with Skelton!!!!

  21. By dan on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton looks a lot better that Kolb. Kolb better make some huge strides or we just wasted a boat load of money and a 2nd rd pick. Look at the good side, we got Skelton pretty cheap.

  22. By John S on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    After 6 straight losses with Kolb, Skelton plays 2 games, has 2 wins. The defense played great the last 2 games. No more needs to be said.

  23. By cards>niners on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Here’s a little more imput on the last couple of games.. Kolb has had the ball in his hand with a chance to take the lead or tie within the last minutes of the game and is 0 for 4.. skelton may not be as accurate or safe with the ball, but is 2 for 2 in those circumstances…that is what you need for winning football games.

  24. By bluepitt on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    If Kolb plays smarter and doesnt get happy feet he is the clear starter.. That is a big if! I hope we sweep the 9ers like they did us when we were taking the west. It all ways Pi$$ed me off when we were in the playoffs and the 9ers fans would say crap like we couldnt beat them, witch was true because they sweped

  25. By in fitz we trust on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    just look at fitz stats with kolb, so-so. skelton, great, especially from a reception standpoint, not to mention the fact that roberts, and doucet are getting the ball. skelton has the ability to open our offense which i like ALOT, im still not convinced based on his completion ratio, and the fact that a critical catch, and a critical td were both on tipped passes. ( lucky it was fitz ) i see kolb and skelton equal. ( side note, beanie seemed to get more touches with kolb, helping take pressue off kolb, skelton is a confident passer, thats what has been proven. ) thoughts darren??? do u have the ratio of roberts and doucets receptions between kolb and skelton?

  26. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    in fitz we trust —

    RE: “Thoughts”

    I think I have made my thoughts clear. You can parse the stats a lot of ways. Fitz only had four catches for 43 yards against the Rams, so lets not get carried away that Skelton is so different for Fitz. He was 7-146 yesterday, which was great, but Kolb got him 7-133 in Washington. It happens because Fitz is who he is. Skelton led them on drives. He threw picks. He gets Roberts more involved. He was lucky on those tipped passes, as you mentioned.

    Doucet’s numbers are actually better with Kolb.

    Bottom line, IMO, this isn’t a black-and-white case. I think Skelton should start in SF, and I’m not sure Kolb will be recovered enough anyway.

  27. By Jacob on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Great win last night, 2 in a row now and looking positive for the rest of the season. Skelton played well, but Kolb should still be the starter. I think he’s got a bit of unfair criticism this season – he started off well, and although he’s had a couple disappointing games he has shown flashes. Yeah, Skelton has led us to two wins in two, but what was the major factor we’ve been pointing to in the last couple of games? Defense.

    The Defense has been great against the Rams and Eagles after really struggling earlier in the season. That makes Skelton’s job easier. I dare say if Kolb had that Defense helping him in earlier games this season, we’d have won a few more. Let’s take a look at the games.

    Kolb puts us in a position to win against the Redskins, up by 8 points in the 4th quarter. That’s on the Defense.

    Kolb puts us in a position to beat the Giants, up by 10 in the 4th quarter. That’s also on the Defense.

    18 points up at halftime against the Ravens with Kolb carrying an injury. Again, that’s on the Defense.

    Great that the Defense is improving, but we have to give Kolb the chance for the rest of the season (and beyond) that he can be our franchise QB. We have so much invested in him. Even if he struggles for the rest of the season, a full offseason should help, but he has to start when 100%.

  28. By jerry on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    I’m sure its to early to answer this but did we only sign Skelton for 3 years and after that what do you think the chances are to extend his contract if he continues improving. I think there would be many disappointed fans if he becomes a free agent after next year.

  29. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Jerry —

    RE: Skelton contract

    How about we don’t worry about Skelton’s contract two years before we have to. He’s restricted after 2012. He’s not going anywhere for a while.

  30. By Brad on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    BIG RED –> The O-Line played better? Really? How many times did Wells get hit in the backfield? Plenty. And what about Levi Browns move to take the outside blitzer to leave the inside guy un-blocked to Skelton. We have the worst Offensive Tackles in the NFL, just shows what a performance it was from Skelton to get through that and lead that winning drive…

  31. By Rugbymuffin on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton should start rest of the season.
    Skelton should start rest of the season.

    Agreed. Hope this organization shows some humility and responsibility, and does the right thing. No one faults the front office for trying to make moves to improve this team.

    But they will fault them for letting ego, and stubborness get in the way.

    Skelton should start rest of the season.

  32. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Rugby —

    RE: Your point

    Glad to post your thoughts. But while we’re all happy you know how to cut and paste, please do it elsewhere.

  33. By Old Man Riva on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Any time a QB can lead the team to game tying/winning drives in the final minutes of the game, he deserves some careful scrutiny (and twice in a row no less). Kolb has had his chances several times and still hasn’t managed to pull it off. Obviously Skelton has had an extra season of experience in the Cardinal offense but results are the bottom line. If Kolb had been traded for only and not signed to a mega bucks contract, the decision might be easier. I say you have to start Kolb at least 2 more games when he is healthy and if he bombs again it must be Skelton. Which leads us to…Doubtful we make the playoffs, so it will be a very stressful off season for management. Oh, by the way…Calais Campbell is going to become a free agent next year. What do you think the Bidwill clan will do? Is he going to be another player we develop for some other team?

  34. By jonnyb on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Why do u think its the right thing to do? because cards gave him lots of money?Or years on his contract ? If not that wat are the reasons? I believe Skelton looks much better there are no stats to prove otherwise. IF I AM WRONG LET ME KNOW …..

  35. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    jonnyb —

    RE: QBs

    But there are stats to prove otherwise, if you want to consider them. And there are other factors IMO. You can disagree, and I know many do. There is no “wrong” here. None of us are the coach and frankly, none of us have our jobs on the line if we end up “wrong.”

  36. By AL on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    This year is setting us up to be good next year. We get some nice draft picks: OLBs and some OL men. Get everyone on the same page. Kolb will be the guy, he’s got potential to be far better than skelton and skelton seems to be good enough right now.

    I know a win changes everything but i think the cards are just starting to realise the talent the team has.

  37. By LB on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Feely with Graham as holder made everything with his eyes closed. Feely without Graham as holder misses everything with his eyes wide open. Changing holders was clearly a horrible idea from the get go, why mess with one of the few things that worked last season? Zastudil has been solid, sure. But Graham was solid too, more than solid at times. Replacing him just seems petty.

    I love Whiz, but he makes a lot of weird decisions like this and it’s cost us some games this year. Starting AJ when Marshall was clearly the better corner, complaining about having to use Porter too much last season yet doing the exact same thing this season when he had two talented young players who could play the position, and in Acho’s case better than Porter…I don’t wanna replace him by any stretch of the imagination, that’s the last thing we need, but he has as much stuff to clean up as the players do.

    With that said, great performance by the defense yesterday. I can’t remember the last time i’ve seen them play this well. Hopefully this is a preview for what they can be next season. Looking at Daryl Washington play, i just can’t help but think about the second round pick we gave the Eagles for Kolb. Going back to 2008 our best value picks probably came in that round with Campbell, Washington and hopefully Williams.

  38. By Havasu Tom on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Hi Darren,
    What a great day, two in a row, 4th qtr. drive to win the game. The D played great. Recorded the game (because the wife had to work) and watched twice. so much. fun.
    I can’t make up my mind which QB is better. The biggest difference is Skelton has found a way to keep us in the game and win. I love Kolb, but the bottom line is not stats, it’s wins. Skelton is 4-2 as a starter. He saved the last season from being a total disaster and he’s doing it again this season. He’s effective in the pocket, makes a few mistakes, look at Vick’s mistakes today, and he puts W’s on the board.

    If the only thing that matters is winning, go with the players that win.

  39. By MIKE G on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Great win by the Cards yesterday. Hopefully this will be a building block game for the team. Fitz had a great game and showed why he is a pro bowl player. The defense got 2 turnovers and confused Vick all day. Horton had a good game plan and the players executed it. I thought the Cards D tackled well. I had a bad feeling when Feely missed those 2 field goals–that cant happen–he has to make at least one of those kicks. Also felt good for Jefferson with the pick to put the game away. Finally Skelton played well and improved as the game went on. I like how he shows poise and came back after the 2 interceptions. The team seems to rally behind him. He seems calm in the pocket and is more comfortable playing. I like how Skelton puts nice touch on his throws. I think Skelton has earned the right to play next week–the goal of the team is to win games and right now I have to say he looks better than Kolb.
    He utilized all his receivers well today including Roberts who didnt see the ball the privious 3-4 weeks.
    Certainly Kolb is the future and needs to play to improve but I feel Skelton has to play against SF next week. Whiz alway preaches competition toward winning a position and Skelton has earned his right to play next week. You have to go with the hot hand right now- they have won 2 in a row. Darren –Do you think playing Acho and Schofield more has drastically improved team speed on defense and provided new life????

  40. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: LB change

    It has added speed for sure and it needed to be done.

  41. By gw on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    SKELTON should start this kid is special look at what he did fordham. i know the cards sign kolb because of fitz. but know it’s time to right the ship let’s go back remember leinart (starter) but was outplayed by a guy name ummm… WARNER. THIS IS DEJA VU! START SKELTON. coach horton i think you finally got the right def. package for this group of players stay with this game plan.

  42. By cardsalltheway on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Good question, I guess because he’s the 20 million dollar man? It didn’t even enter his mind? He already knows it all?

    When I watch Johnny S. I don’t get discouraged or lose hope(not yet) like I have before. Johnny S. has seen some horrible QB play the last 2 seasons, he knows he can’t be that bad even if he does make a mistake or two.

  43. By CJ on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    It was very satisfying to watch another win… against a good team this time. Skelton definitely made some mistakes but seems to be progressing significantly faster than Kolb is. I still think Kolb should be the starter for most of this year, but it’d be good to throw Skelton in for some competition here and there. The kid shows he’s got something special.

    I think Kolb has a more accurate arm but is extremely uncomfortable when things don’t work out precisely as they practiced them. Skelton needs to work on some of his throws but is very comfortable in the pocket and making adjustments. In the long run, I think that Skelton’s weaknesses will be easier to fix than Kolbs but we’ll see. I just hope it doesn’t cause too much drama in the locker room.

  44. By cardsalltheway on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Man, did you see DRC walking off(normally) the field barefoot? Why didn’t he get his barely sprained ankle wrapped up and get back in the game?

  45. By SteveDCO on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Juicky few quiick comments for all those drinking the KoolAid.

    The rookies couldn’t have played like this all season. The needed time to sit and learn the system. PP is the best of all the young guys and he is just starting g to figure it out.

    The OL did not play better. They missed or dropped so many blocks it is scary. Wells should of had 150 yds rushing with a decent OL.

    There were some great plays called that game. The end around due to over pursuit, the Doucet TD as they were over playing Fitz. Time to give Miller his due for a well called game.

    We have played two bad teams and were able to rally I the 4th to win. Let’s see what happens when we face a great team next week. If we win versus the 49ers I will start drinking g the KoolAid too.

  46. By Die-Hard Cards fan since '88 on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Who cares what the right thing to do is with the Kolb situation. Football is about winning and Skelton brings that chemistry to the team. Here is the fact:

    Skelton: 2-0

    Kolb: 1-6

    So, again, who offers the better chance at winning? Right now, it is Big John. Sit Kolb – if he and the team have any shot at winning – he needs to learn the scheme first.

    Going back to last year, Big John is 4-2 as the Cards starting QB. We have not had a winning QB since Warner. The opportunity to win is right there with Big John, let’s hope the team takes advantage of it.

    Die-Hard Cards fan since ’88.

  47. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Die-Hard Cards ==

    RE: About winning

    So you would take, for instance, Skelton over Cam Newton? You know, since Newton’s record is similar to Kolb’s? Or Tebow over Newton?

    Winning obviously is a big part. But it isn’t all of it, not now. It is when your team has a chance to make the playoffs. When your team doesn’t have a chance, there are many more things to factor in.

  48. By TucsonTim on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply


  49. By TucsonTim on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    4th and 2 on the 32!?

    Gutsy move Maverick

  50. By TucsonTim on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    After that unbelievable unnecessary roughness call on the punt return (it’s not flag football yet, is it?), Whiz ran pretty far out on the field and had some choice words for the refs. It was pretty clear what he had to say, and he was 100% correct; but do you think the league will fine him? Do they take into consideration the bad call?

  51. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    RE: Whiz on field

    It seems to me coaches around the league get away with that. He didn’t get a flag, so no, I think they will let that go.

  52. By Rich on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    gotta give Whiz credit….good game plan and good play calling. Also hats off to Horton. Coaching staff did a great job this week in preparation and game management.

  53. By D on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    D. Washington is a beast! Let’s slow down on John S, yes he showed a lot on the final drive, but let’s wait and see how he does against a good SF defense..

  54. By jocards on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve been of the mindset that Kevin Kolb should play as long as he is healthy but I’m not so sure about that anymore. Skelton hasn’t looked great at all times, far from it but he makes plays. I don’t want to say he has “it” because too many said that about Max Hall and we know how that turned out but Skelton just seems to come up with a play when the team really needs it. It would be difficult for me to get behind Skelton being sent back to the bench next week. It just seems to me like he gives us the best chance to win right now.

  55. By steve on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    You know what, it’s not over till your eliminated, you got to play the hot hand!!! Keep playing Skelton, if we keep winning, we keep winning—and who knows -look at the St. Louis Cardinals in baseball, snuck in as a wild card and one the whole thing….. I think there is no comparison between the 2, Skelton does all the things that I “HOPED’ Kolb would do: Just look what he has done with Fitzgerald–in 7 games with Kolb ==3 touchdowns…… 2 games with Skelton ===3 touchdowns, Andre Roberts is back!!! Doucet stil making contributions-stands tall in the pocket, good if not great mobility– and you can say what you want –Skelton has not had much help from Beanie Wells and the running game, as Kolb did early in the year..and he hasn’t had Todd Heap!!…. Lets keep going with it Whiz!!! Give Skelton a chance to continue — if he continues to impress then hey, you have a pleasnt problem now, from no quarterbacks to 2!!!!

  56. By Jzoully on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Statisticly speaking kolb isnt having a good season, 1-6, and from last year I didn’t feel comfortable w/ Skelton, thats why we need to plan on a 1st round pick next year, which would help us that we have Kolb. The Kolb experiment was fun to try out, but I believe that a Landry Jones from Oklahoma or Robert Griffin III, What do you think Darren?

  57. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Jzoully —

    RE: QB first rounder

    To be honest, the last thing I am thinking about in November is the draft.

  58. By we miss q on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    With pain, I have to admit I was wrong, Ray Horton does know what he is doing. With our D playing this way we have teams scared. If we can string together a few more games like that then the sky is the limit for this team. The rest of the season rides on the confidence of our D, and right now it is at an all time high. With the talent on this team their new swagger can be dangerous. So come on defence scare the niners and leave them with their (D’s) in the dirt!! Make them wonder what happened!!

  59. By Kevin on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    It’s better to have a QB controversy than not have one, because it means we have a capable backup. How I see it:

    Skelton pros: 4-2 as a starter, and ultimately wins are all that matter. Took the team down the field for a winning drive when it mattered, something Kolb has had the chance to do, but hasn’t yet done. Did the same last week vs. STL (although that was a tying drive, not a winning drive, it was still big.) Bounced back from his mistakes. “Looks” more like an NFL QB than Kolb — pocket presence, etc. Runs well at times.

    Skelton cons (or call them Kolb pros): Anyone ought to win a game when the defense holds the other team to 7 points. Skelton himself was directly responsible for the other 10 Eagle points, so on net, we got 3 TD’s behind him but he gave the opponent 10 points, which isn’t going to win many games (though we won this one since our D was so good). Completion numbers were very DA-like (21 for 40), and the INT’s were clearly on him — balls thrown right to the opponent. Also, he was pretty fortunate — Larry had two completions off deflections (one of which could have easily been an INT) and the Cards’ receivers dropped no passes (anyone see that graphic around the 4th quarter — Cards 0, Eagles 5 drops) instead of their usual 3-4 per game. Really has never had a “good” game in 6 starts, just “OK” games (although Kolb hasn’t had a really good game either).

    Verdict for this fan: Kolb should still be the starter. Skelton’s record as a starter is impressive, but it’s more a function of the facts that (a) he’s gotten to start at exactly the time when the team was due for a win simply by regression to the mean (or dumb luck), and (b) the defense has played well in his starts, than his own play. Neither last year’s team nor this year’s was as bad as its record at the time Skelton took over. (Even Max Hall could’ve won the Denver game, as bad as they were, and we only won the Dallas game because our D spotted us 14 points with 2 pick 6’s. And last week was one Calais Campbell blocked FG from being a loss against one of the worst teams in football, after we could only muster 13 points in regulation against a team that to that point had let up 32 per game.)

  60. By Peter in Canada on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    There should be no QB controversy. Kolb’s rating of 77+ though mediocre at best was achievied largely in the first two games of the year. Since then he has passed 80 only in the game against Pittsburgh. In the other four he has been frankly terrible. He is on a downward spiral and looks mentally fragile. Skelton on the other hand has shown confidence, and mental and physical toughness. Giving Kolb a couple of practices and throwing him in against the 49ers would do him and the team no good. I can understand the team wanting to protect the financial investment but he was a long term investment. I believe Skleton gives the team the better chance to win next week. They should hold Kolb back until at least the Ram game.

    Darren do you not think that is best for all concerned?

  61. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Peter in Canada —

    RE: 49ers starter

    I would think, sitting here today, Skelton would start in SF. You make good points about next week.

  62. By Kevin on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    And to add one more comment, in some ways our QB controversy is similar to Denver’s — in that the main thing Tebow has going for him is the 3 wins in 4 games — not his actual performance in those games. Not comparing Skelton to Tebow as a QB in any way, just saying that the situation in Denver is similar in that they were probably due for a couple wins (and it didn’t hurt Tebow that his first start was against a then-winless team).

  63. By Big Red Fan on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    First, you have the coolest job in the world. Don’t forget that. 🙂

    This is almost like a Tebow Vs. Orton thing. One QB is technically better, yet the other QB finds ways to end up with a “W” two weeks in a row. Sure, there are other factors, and other plays. But the bottom line to the avarage fan is

    “who was playing QB and did we win?”

    Your job is much better than the coach’s job. 🙂

  64. By Eric Hutchins on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    You Skelton fans BAFFLE me. Are you serious, make him the starter? He may be a great guy, and I am happy if we have him as a backup, but do you REALLY think anyone in this league would go out of their way to pick him up and make him a starter? NO. This is not even close to a controversy.
    The defense and a great Fitz catch won this game, Skelton, very nearly lost it. I feel like I am not even watching the same games as you folks.

    Kolb played well enough to win AT least 4 of his starts this year and the defense and field goal kicker did not do their part. Now that the defense (and a miracle punt return) is playing better you want to say that is Skelton. Again, I am not a hater, and he is a perfect backup (because no other team will want to steal him, and he is adequate.) But give Kolb the amount of time that Skelton has had with this offense, and the results will be night and day.

  65. By ndpenner on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    I think whether or not Kolb gets healthy we should let Skelton at least take the first series on the field. Our D always seems to show up when Skelton plays.

  66. By Jesse Robles on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Who is the punter again and why did we get rid of Graham?? We gave up Graham, for a below par punter. Our defense is playing better with all of our younger guys out there, we actually look like a defense. Offense needs some more weapons, but being optimistic for next season, we should get a great Draft pick, including Justin Blackmon. Kolb was a bad pick up, but we can get through this. We would be at the same point without him, like I said at the beginning of the season, Kolb didn’t know the playbook and Skelton would never be given a chance, just how KEN WORKS. I like Skelton, just like last year, and Horton is coming along really nice.

  67. By Eric Hutchins on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Laughed out loud when I someone in this string said about Skelton “look at what he did at Fordham” COME ON!!!! If you want to be that silly look at what Kolb did at University of Houston against A LOT better competition then Fordhams. Geez. Frankly I think Bartel is as good or better than Skelton and it would be no big loss if we lost Skelton, which again, I promise there wont be a big run on him from other teams.
    Kolb is the starter as soon as he is healthy enough to go. Anything else is a mistake.

  68. By Matt in Philly on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    To be fair, Skelton is putting up essentially the same completion pct and QB rating as Kolb. The difference is, as I’ve said it every week, is what the guy does in crunch time. When you have a back like Beanie Wells, you don’t need to be a sniper as a QB throughout the whole game. What you DO need is to make plays when they count. Two weeks in a row Skelton has been put in pressure situations, and he’s come through. Kolb has had the same opportunity in almost every game he’s played, and failed each time. All stats being equal, I’ll take the guy who can do it when it counts.

  69. By BIG RED 66 on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Darren- Watching Skelton reminds me of the QB I grew up watching. Big dude, cannon arm, keeps cool when he screws up and has a knack for winning. Yes he needs some work but that is expected with a 2nd year guy. I mean the guy I am talking about lined up behind the guard a few times his first year and also made some horrible throws but alway improved. By the way his name was John Elway. Not saying he is where Elway was in the middle to late of his career but Skelton just has some of those intangible traits. Elway wasn’t that great his first few years after taking over for Deberg but you just knew you always had a chance with him. Granted Elway never had anything close to Fitz. Skelton makes some throws that only a guy with a cannon could make ot even try. If Kolb does get his job back I hope the leash is short. If the Cards don’t resign Campbell soon they are crazy. Do not let him go test free agency.

  70. By Cardinalchris on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    I am not convinced Kolb or Skelton are QB’s this team can win consistently with. I think if the defense plays better in several games this year, the argument to start Skelton over Kolb because of a W-L record would be null. I think the lack of offseason has hurt Kolb. When you watch film on him from last year while he was with the Eagles, he looks so much more in control than he has the last couple games he started. In fact, he looked more in control in week 1… Both QB’s are not seeing open receivers. Both are missing presnap reads, telegraphing passes, and missing receivers badly at times. Skelton uses his size to throw over the defenders – Kolb looks like he’s at the carnival and is knocking over fuzzy clowns to win a stuffed animal the way his passes hit defenders. Skelton has not been helped by much of a running game and neither QB has had much help in protection from the OL. Just looks like Kolb has been hit too much and become gun shy. I like Skelton’s performances over Kolb during the fourth quarter. I like Skelton’s performance over Kolb moving around in the pocket. I think Kolb is better with getting rid of the ball to keep from having a negative play. Kolb is under a lot more pressure than Skelton – which can’t be overstated. I want Kolb and Skelton to succeed. Kolb doesn’t seem comfortable moving in the pocket to create a throwing lane or moving to extend the play.

    On another note, who do we scream at because this team can’t run a stinking screen play? My TV is tired of hearing me scream at everyone when it knows not everyone is to blame. I haven’t seen a good screen play since Larry C and Jake the Snake left the team. This is ridiculous. The coaches have tried, with excellent timing I might add, to run several screen plays this year and I don’t think I’ve seen the running back catch one yet. UGH! are we just Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy’s football when it comes to screen plays?

  71. By RichRigo on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren! IMO both quarterbacks have been playing about the same and both haven’t really established with is better so far. Kolb gets the experience nod, but Skelton has the familiarity with the playbook. The difference with these last 2 wins has been on defense and there’s no questioning that. How many wins would Kolb have had if the defense only gave up 14 or less points? Thoughts Darren?

  72. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    RichRigo —

    RE: Defense

    It’s a fair point.

  73. By Chuck 1 on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    An impressive win, although against a (not such a) “Dream Team”.

    Did I really write that it was “an impressive win”?

    Hopefully, this is the beginning of a resurgent Cards’ team.

  74. By Dan Becker on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Stats are stats. Wins vs losses and QB ratings alone demand attention. There is more to a QB than talk. Kolb has shown little results. Skelton has show good results. Take the politics out of the choice and Skelton is the answer.

    If our coaches choose politics over results then we will have a losing season.

  75. By Die-Hard Cards fan since '88 on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Darren –

    I understand your logic with respect to your reply to my initial post. However, I believe this team can still pull it out – yes, something short of a miracle – but you never know. The 9ers could implode and drop the rest of their games, while the Cards pull off the ultimate upset and win out the rest of the year. Again, you never know. To get there, the team must win games – hands down. I believe Big John gives the team that chance. They rally around him, whereas they don’t seem to have that same “fire” with Kolb behind center. Granted, Kolb is still learning the scheme, but John has been with the organization for two years and has a good understanding of the scheme the coaches have implemented. He has built relationships with the players around him and the players follow his lead. With Skelton in as QB, we know that our WR’s and TE’s will get targets – and catches. The only thing with Skelton, he just needs to continue to work on his finesse technique. That will come with experience. I consider John to be what MLB would consider a “power pitcher”. He has the big arm, just needs a little more control/finesse. I believe he will get there in time. Another thing to note, Kolb was a backup/bench-warmer his career prior to joining the Cards. Big John has the talent to be a perennial starting QB in the NFL. One thing for Whiz, give him (Big John) the reins and let’s see what he can do. Both Kolb and Skelton are not going anywhere, anytime soon. So, let’s see what Big John can do for us. I think he’s proven he’s a winner – at least has the winning mentality at this stage in his development. I think we all know what we get with Kolb, another decent backup to John Skelton. Thanks for your time and response!

    Die-Hard Cards fan since ’88

  76. By georgiebird on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    A couple more points on the game(s):
    1) Beanie has been a little inconsistent hitting the holes; when he’s quick and low, the OL looks very good. When Beanie is slow to the hole, stands up straight and goes lateral, the OL doesn’t look as good.
    2) Skelton got picked twice and by a guy generally considered to be in the top three CBs in the NFL and the highest paid- so give him some slack.
    3) seeing Kolb on the sidelines, he seems like a brooder.
    4) Anyone looking at the tools and pocket awareness of both Skelton and Kolb should have no question that Skelton is much better. I know Joe Theismann feels that way.
    5) Even someone as dense and stubborn as Whiz would have to admit that his pressers are a lot more enjoyable when Skelton plays QB.
    6) Saw last night where the Jets All Pro LT D’Brickashaw Ferguson was getting beat like a drum by a virtual no name DE- so it happens to others besides Levi when offenses are playing badly.

  77. By Chris Freeman on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton is the future, i said it last year and this year, all you people staying you need to see a big game out of him will not see a big game if the O-line is not fixed. If you look at his college video and his rookie campeign, the reason why skelton is playing better and will continue to exceed Kolb is because of the QB presence he holods on field. unlike kob you dont see skelton running out of the pocket unless he is forced out, he is mobile though and makes plenty of plays on the go, great pocket prescence and sense of timing and awareness, he also has a touch on the ball ( remenessent of warner). These are allthings you d not and have not seen out of Kolb. Kevin Kolb is still yet to set his feet and look composed before getting a pass off while he has protection ( somewthing my wife even notices) his play is very much the same in Philli except there was more smoke around him to cover these flaws. I was a heavy advocate for orton over kolb. But skelton has always shown his intangibles throughout his football careerwhen it comes to upside Skelton ( in my opinion) gets the nod.

  78. By Chris Freeman on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    You cant be a QB if your consistantly panicing and taking a ” dougie” on the field every play.

  79. By brad oneill on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    ok how much is jay feeley hurt by new holder? wasn’t the old holder the old punter that used to drop the ball between the 5 yard line and endzone repeatedly on punts.

    Skelton is progressing, I think he may have a similar value to kolb in a trade with a few more good games.

    Peterson was robbed on that return, there is no way that should have been an unnecessary roughness penalty the block was necessary to spring the runner, how can you not allow blocks during returns.

    Levi brown had a good play no really i saw it. wouldnt it be nice if we had a second round pick to find someone that does that a little more often.

    turf toe lingers for years if not allowed to heal, rushing kolb back is not good for anyone. it will ruin him, let skelton play let kolb learn. kolb has the ability its just a matter of mastering the offense, and getting his happy feet under control let him develop on sideline until he is healed and competent in the offense.

  80. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Brad —

    RE: Feely holder

    The new holder is the same one Feely had for the seven straight field goals Jay made going into Sunday.

  81. By BIG RED on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Ignore that Kevin he is only looking for negative things on Skelton, and know Tebow. Ya! let Kolb play against the niners, let’s see if he learn something from watching BIG JOHN SKELTON play. Can’t you see that Kolb has the same attitude that Lienart had.

  82. By Derek_P on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Well not to beat a dead horse but where do you go from here? Playoffs aren’t an option right now so the rest of the year is a lab experiment for the fans to get a feel for the future. Play Kolb and bench Skelton or vice versa it deosn’t really matter but it should be with a purpose.

    I think what we can take away from the last couple of games though is this.. we have a leader in Skelton more so than Kolb. The team responds to his presence and maybe its not statistically there but its a apparent on the field and its energized the team. Maybe thats what we should be looking at and not the percentages when making decisions like these. Even if we do go with Skelton as our future I guess begs the question what would even be able to do with Kolb? No team will want to trade for him considering his contract which leaves cutting him. Neither option works out very good for us here. He might end up being another Leinart albatros around our necks.

  83. By dustin whitlock on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply


    skelton/ kolb obviously….do you think it would be smart for whiz to play skelton all season the give kolb may be the last game or two to just get time in and let them battle over off season?

    second i love how the is playing, CB could be better but not too bad, we hold when it matters. Do you think acho/schofield get the rest of the starts? second to that how long is porter out?

    last i noticed LSH is not having the same performance KR wise this year as passed years, do you think that is just an off season? or not so hot coverage with the return team?

    please reply let me know your thoughts! thanks!

  84. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Dustin —

    RE: Questions

    1) Honestly, I’m already tiring of the QB talk
    2) I do think Acho will continue to start when Porter returns.
    3) Part of it may have to do with the new KO rules.

  85. By Honda Doug on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    It is my observation, that the rest of the league could take a lesson from Ftiz, on how to act after scoreing a TD. Simply pitch the ball to an official and return to the sideline, Class act, Fitz.

  86. By KKFan on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    This is Sletons second season in the system that Whisenhunt runs. He should be the better QB at this point . Kolb has been in it what 4 months? So to compare the two is not remotely fair.

    Yes, I am a huge Kolb fan. I didn’t want the Eagles to trade him. I’m sure they are regretting that they did now. But hind site is 20-20 as they say. He would have been the better back up to the oft injured Vick (who sustained two broken ribs in yesterdays game) then Vince Young or Mike Kafka a second year player who is their 3rd string QB.

    Many of the posters here sound like the Eagle fans. “Vick gives us a better chance to win”..Well, we see how that is turning out for the Eagles.

    The only thing that would have made that loss to my Eagles easier to swallow yesterday would had it been Kolb out there playing and beating them instead of Skelton. But it wasn’t in the cards…no pun intended.

    I just hope that Whisenhunt isn’t as knee jerk happy in pulling Kolb as the starter as Andy Reid was after his injury. But it won’t be the firs time if it happens.

  87. By CreditCard on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    The Broncos made a choice to change QBs during their bye-week. Tebow looks lost, and his mechanics — at least from my couch look horrid. But Tebow does know how to win, especially late in the game. As a result, the Broncos changed their playbook (basically threw it away) and taylored their game plan to Tebow’s athletism and style (a much similar playbook).

    Sounds familiar with Skelton. Skelton appears to “click” a little better when there is a sense of urgency. Not all professional athletes have this gift. Skelton did OK last year with roll-out movement, and he steps into the pocket much better that Kolb.

    As a Cardinal fan, I would like to see a game plan that fits Skelton’s talents — stepping into the pocket, occassional naked roll-out, intentional scrambles etc… In my opinion, sitting on my couch with a bottle of beer — I really think the Cardinal’s organization will start to see an elite QB in Skelton.

    I think it takes Tebow a couple of quarters to figure out that particular game. I see this in Skelton as well. That is why, he is better in the 4th quarter than in earlier quarters. Again, from my couch, I think the defensive players are seeing that as well, and the improved play.

    As far as the competition was poor (Rams and Eagles) — I think any NFL can beat any NFL team on any weekend — they all have talented players.

    I wonder if someone i the Cardinal organization reads the varied posts / blogs written by the fans. I should hope they do, since some of the blogs appear to me, very accurate.

  88. By KKFan on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    To the guy mentioning the differences in the two QB’s. Lets not lose sight of the team they played yesterday. The Eagles this season are nowhere near the Eagles during the majority of Rieds tenure as H/C.

    They’ve got new coaches on both sides of the ball..implementing new techniques/schemes. Which takes time for players having played under one OC for 11 yrs to grasp. They have had two different D/C since the great late Jim Johnsons passing 3 yrs ago. Who also have different schemes, philosophies.

    They are the main reasons the Eagles are in total disarray. The Cards got lucky to play them when they are going through these changes. Instead of last season when they were the division champs.

    Kolb will not be a distraction if Whisenhunt decides to stick with Skelton. He wasn’t in Philly, when Andy went with Vick over him. I don’t think Kevin would be at all happy about it. Who could blame him? But he is a professional through and through. He will conduct himself as one.

  89. By jstn on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    QB issue needs to be dropped, Kolb and Skelton are Good and there is alot of upside there. Any moves next year need to be the interior offense, another RB, another receiver and a DB. QB position is fine with K&S. Great Game Cards but the true TEST is next week in SanFran with your mortal enemies that are on FIRE right now, put them out!!!!!

  90. By BIG RED on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Thank You Brad, that’s the response I was waiting for about the offensive line. If Skelton had 315 yards
    passing, never ran back and I mean he never ran back like Mr. Kolb. Stood tall on the pocket, made some long drives, took some hits and sure Beanie got behind the line of scrimmage. Point is…. the same line that Kolb has had for his seven games. Now, you tell me, who looked better. I bet Fitz and all the rest of the receivers were very satisfy. I’ll take Skelton wins anytime over Kolb. This kid is a jewel thats ready to light the fire back at the Phoenix. Sure his going to have some up and down games, who doesn’t. Even all of us in life do, just be patient this Kid is for real…… Again thanks Brad. Go! Skelton and Go Cardinals.

  91. By APCARDS on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Good job Cards! Seems like chemistry and morale is much improved. LOVED the Victory over the Eagles! Made my day! Defense was awesome!
    Skelton is doing a good job of forgetting his mistakes and moving on which I think is the difference between him and Kolb. Now we need to beat the 49er’s! Go CARDS!

  92. By BIG RED on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Eric Hutchins your a true comedian.

  93. By Ben on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    How can anyone not see Skeltons skills over Kolb. Go back to the Vikings game where Kolb put us out of the game in the 1st quarter with his run backwards and fumble technique. Skelton runs forward and stays in there to make Huge plays. Fitz 38 yard catch at the end of the game, that lead to the winning TD, Skelton got laid out and made a perfect and clinching pass.

  94. By Marcelo on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    We all know Kolb is virtually a better QB, experienced and etc. But NFL is moved by numbers, 4 – 2 as a starter to Skelton, and considering a lack os experience bench him? no way, trade Kolb (if possible) for 10% of its value and develop Skelton, two years from now, Skelton will be 10 times better than Kolb, but he skelton MUST be starter and struggle the remaning season in order to prove it.

  95. By zahid on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    It looks to me like Skelton has more confidence in his receivers than Kolb does. Some of those Fitz completions were Skelton just giving him a chance. This teem had not been doing enough of that. good game.
    I started talking trash before this game even started. I like that those guys kept my foot out of my mouth.

  96. By BIIRDISTHEWORD on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    if you haven’t already …listen to the fitz catch and doucet td in spanish…G.Trujillos is sooo awesome…

  97. By Chuck on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, no matter who goes under center i feel our O-Line play must improve,poor Kolb been running for his life all year! Skelton sacked 4 times! Even if Warner came back we would still be in trouble,our tackles have big problems with speed rushers. I feel we need to draft or sign some top caliber tackles in the offseason,so our QB can stay in the pocket insteed of running for his life,or getting hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  98. By Cardinalchris on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb is a rich man’s Max Hall. Gritty, smart, studies hard, …., scared, nervous, makes defenses salivate. I just don’t see anything that justifies wasting any more of this season on Kolb. Let Skelton play, then open up the QB spot to a competition next summer. Extremely interested in finding out the real potential of Skelton. We’ve seen nearly enough of Kolb to answer that for this year and it’s all in the wrong direction.

  99. By tom watson on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    I hope all of you posters truly understand that this is just a place for all of you to talk about who your favorite QB or other position players and rant an rave like what you say means diddly squat. Just so you all know….

  100. By kirk on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    I thought the game was inconsistent offensively. The Defense definately
    showed up and played well. There were some hurtful holding penalties on
    Marshall, and the unnecessary roughness penalty had to be a joke. I thought
    the play calling opened up a little, about time we do something different not just
    the same old vanilla plays. Skelton has more pocket presense than does Kolb
    and also has size to be able to see and throw over the defense. He also benefits from knowing the offense better. I do believe we should continue
    to start Skelton at least until Kolb is 100% and has practiced well. Has anyone
    else noticed that when Beanie runs E/W behind the line that most every play
    ends up as a loss? If the play is designed for E/W wouldn’t we be better with
    LaRod’s speed for that call? Beanie seems best straight through the line then cutting. Still I will gladly take the win. Call me crazy, but a couple games back I
    predicted the rest of the season for the division. I have SF @ 11-5, AZ @ 8-8,
    Sea @ 5-12, Stl @ 2-14. With the defense playing like it has last 2 games, any
    thing is possible. At this point if we make 8-8 it would look good going into next

  101. By BIG RED on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Hey tommy boy watson, You must be a kolb fan, so now cause everybody is putting down KK its just talk. Well, leave the web sight. Go Skelton!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoying it!!!!!!!!!!!!!~

  102. By Kevin on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    There is so much garbage here it is comical. All these people saying the team “responds better” to Skelton, as if the Cards’ defense and receivers try harder because he’s the starter and not Kolb? Are you serious? Skelton played well enough to eke out a win against one very lousy team and one reeling team but the fact is the D won those games (last week is a loss without a blocked FG at the end, for example). Same defense shows up in the 4th qtr. of the Skins or Giants game, or the whole second half of the Ravens game, and Kolb has 3 more wins. The whole first half of the season consisted of the Cards’ secondary getting torched on long pass plays, which were consistently ending up as completions or Cardinal penalties… now that’s not happening, and people attribute the last two wins to John Skelton?

    I’m not saying Kolb is way ahead of Skelton, I’m just saying Kolb is our starter, and Skelton didn’t do anything to change my mind on that in these past two games. The fact that they were W’s had a lot less to do with Skelton than with other factors.

  103. By Cardinalchris on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply


    J Porter seems, from the few sidelines shots on TV, like he’s really into helping the younger LB’s even though he’s out of the game. Any idea if he is making an impact? If so, is he interested in coaching? He probably knows this system extremely well…

    Also, looks like we are moving to a Deion like style with PP – where PP just covers the best WR on the other team. Think this continues? Looks like its working.

    Sounded like you needed a break from QB beatdown.

  104. By Darren Urban on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Cardinalchris —

    RE: Porter/PP

    1) I don’t know if Porter wants to coach. I do think he has been helpful.
    2) I would do that. Whether he does it, we will see.

  105. By Scott H on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Eric Hutchins –

    RE: This is not even close to a QB controversy.

    Think again. The basic ingredients for a QB controversy are simple. And we have them here right now. When your starter is 1-6 and your back-up comes in and goes 2-0 in two games, you have a QB controversy.

    And, really, what or who says Kolb is a starter and Skelton is a back-up? How does ANYONE know that right now? Fact is, they don’t. Kolb is the “starter” simply by virtue of the fact that his name is written above Kolb’s on the blackboard AND he is being paid like a starting QB. BUT WHAT IF JOHN SKELTON REALLY IS THE BETTER QB? This team has made enough bad decisions at the QB position lately. I think they need to think about this very carefully.

    And I’m not throwing Kolb under the bus here. But this is the NFL and winning matters above all else. Period. Right now, Skelton is helping this team win. And he AND THE FANS deserve a chance to see if he can continue to help the team win.

    And, yet again, I raise the point that maybe we are FINALLY seeing from Skelton what we COULD HAVE SEEN LAST YEAR while we helplessly watched Derek Anderson lose, lose, and lose again. That was a fatal mistake by the head coach and I will not forgive him for it.

    In other news, SOOOOOO great to see Fitz putting this team on his back and taking them where they needed to go. AND after all those great years with Dansby, SOOOOOOO cool to see a dominant playmaker wearing #58 again!!!

  106. By Brad on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    BIG RED –> You were waiting for that response about the Offensive line? Do you usually post an opinion and wait to someone disagrees just so you can flip-flop and change your mind? The O-line has been crap all year, including on Sunday, and it will end up destroying Beanies career (unless he gets the hell out of here). Have a look at Denver, they had a third-string running back carving up on Sunday, they ran every play but 8 (admittedly against a week D). Cards were up against a team that was getting torched in the running game every week, yet we couldn’t get it going against them. And hey, you could probably tell by my first comment that i’m pro-Skelton, I agree that the big fella looked a lot more comfortable in the Cards crumbling pocket then Kolb does, no doubt. Since you’re pro-Skelton you’re alright to me, but please don’t post positive comments about the Cards O-line unless they truly deserve it (not likely this season until they find new OT’s).

  107. By cardsalltheway on Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

    Get this(by Michael Lombardi), can he change your mind…?
    “Now the Cards have won two in a row with Skelton under center, and if they go back to Kolb they are nuts. Skelton can grow into the job as he proved Sunday. He can make all the throws and seems to have a sense of rhythm with Larry Fitzgerald. I realize Skelton will make his share of mistakes, like he did throwing an out in front of Asante Samuel, but eventually he has to learn. Once he does, he might pay huge dividends.
    Winning in Philadelphia is never easy, even this season. A 300-yard effort and leading the Cards to a fourth-quarter comeback should be good enough for Skelton to keep the job, regardless of what it cost Arizona to get Kolb.”

    Actually, I think there was some “nuttiness” or irrational sense of desperation in the Kolb deal.

  108. By Kevin on Nov 15, 2011 | Reply

    Cardsalltheway —

    I’ll tell you what, I’ll jump on the Skelton bandwagon if he beats SF.

    Look, he’s played reasonably well, I will say that. I don’t think the fact that he got over 300 yards matters — it’s just a stat (and one that’s a function of throwing 40 passes more than anything else). 21 for 40 with 2 int’s leading directly to 10 Eagle points are also stats, and those aren’t good. As I said, Skelton also was very fortunate — 2 tipped passes ending up in Fitz’s hands, no drops by our receivers, and on one of the TD drives, a 3rd-and-10 incompletion (followed by what would’ve been a punt) turned into a redo because the guy defending Fitz lined up offsides.

    The reason we won this game is very simple, and it wasn’t the QB play. The Eagles had virtually no sustained offensive drives. Whether this was their offense playing badly, our defense playing great, or both, just look back at the box score. Eagles offense: 4 drives, they punted without getting a first down. 1 drive (after Skelton’s INT deep in our territory), FG after not getting a first down. 7 other drives, they managed 1 first down and then either punted (4 times), threw an INT (twice), or turned the ball over on downs (their first drive they went for it on 4th and 2). That’s 12 drives where they couldn’t get more than 1 first down, and got nothing other than the 3 points from the FG after Skelton’s INT. There was only one other Eagle offensive drive (their single TD), the only one with any success.

    Skelton drove the Cards to a 4th-quarter TD. That was huge. But one can ask whether that even should have been necessary (and it wouldn’t have been if you subtract out the Skelton INT’s). If you told me that we would hold the Eagles’ offense to the above production, I’d say that with virtually any QB we win the game. Also, if the D holds STL to 3 FG’s like last week (remember, the other 4 points were on Cards safeties, at least one of which is on Skelton for not getting rid of the ball), I’d say the same thing. I don’t think you can just say wins are all that matter. That’s what got us playing Max Hall for 2 extra starts after he “won” the NO game last year (which of course had very little to do with him). If you want to argue that Skelton is better than Kolb, that’s fine, but don’t just say he’s better because they’ve won these two games.

    Finally, it’s easy to say when the Cards are putting up a couple wins now under Skelton that the Kolb move was “desperation” or “nuttiness,” but how many fans were railing on the Cards all last year for lack of a QB. Maybe Skelton is the man, I don’t know. But there sure weren’t many people complaining when they finally got Kolb. Maybe you were one of the minority, and if so, I give you credit for sticking with your guns, but the vast majority of people who are now calling for Skelton, are people who were quite happy when we got Kolb.

  109. By Eric Hutchins on Nov 15, 2011 | Reply

    Scott H,

    This idea that a quarterback is solely responsible for wins in losses is just silly. If you want to use words like “he is just a winner” that’s just rah rah nonsense.

    How big of a lead did we have on the Ravens with Kolb at QB? Do you really want to hang that loss on Kolb? Really? How about the Giants. Did Kolb let Eli go through us like soft butter at the end of that game?

    It kills me when people say things like, “we have to stay with Skelton because he is winning”. That is as stupid as saying, “I wore red socks on the day we won, so I am going to now wear red socks every game because that will help us win”.

    You have to look at the actual PLAY of the two individuals and ALL of the circumstances around them to determine who is the starter. Winning is a product of the ENTIRE organizations effort on that day. And we have been pretty sloppy this season.

    So many of the know-it-all-posters on this string act like this organization put on a blindfold, threw a dart at a list of names and decided that Kolb was worth 30 million dollars and DRC. When we had Skelton right here. You know the team actually PAYS really experienced personnel to evaluate talent. Oh yeah, wait a minute, I forgot, we did that just to appease Fitz……….. GEEZ you all, Come on

    I am happy that Skelton is doing well. He is a nice guy, he will make a team a great backup for many years to come, and again, Bartel beat him out this preseason anyway, so I would not be sad if we traded him for a pick at the end of the year.

    Kolb, is the future of the Cards, and it is a bright future with Wiz at the helm.

    Go Cardinals.

  110. By Eric Hutchins on Nov 15, 2011 | Reply


    Lombardi is an idiot. Early this season he said the Texans were “too soft” to do ANYTHING this season, and they have the best record in the AFC.

  111. By Eric Hutchins on Nov 15, 2011 | Reply



  112. By dustin whitlock on Nov 15, 2011 | Reply


    hey i really appriciate how much you have put up with and how much you have been up to answer questions. I like asking things and you have really helped! love what you do and dont stop! deeds go both ways so if you every need anything feel free to E-mail me!

    thanks again!
    Dustin whitlock

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  114. By Scott H on Nov 15, 2011 | Reply

    Eric H –

    OK. So, following your logic, I guess Matt Leinart should have kept his job going into the 2008 season, right? Never mind that anyone with eyes to see could see that the team was better with Warner at QB…we should have discounted the imporatnce of the QB position and stuck with Leinart believing that winning is a product of the entire organization? And you say some of the things others are saying are stupid?

    Look, I don’t like to use the word stupid, so I won’t ( anymore ). The word I WILL use is foolish. And if you think ANYTHING matters more than winning, then you are foolish. You can post until your hands cramp up and won’t go any further. And when you are done, you will not be able to refute the simple fact that John Skelton is 2-0 in two games while Kolb is 1-6 in seven. Look at everything else you want to. Knock yourself out.

    And WHAT are you talking about when you ask why did the organization go out and get Kolb when we has Skelton right here??? Gee, that’s a tough one…let me think…oh, I know – because the ORGANIZATION left Skelton on the bench last year when they should have given him a chance to play. Let’s get this straight – the reason the ORGANIZATION needed a QB / Kolb is because they failed to evaluate Skelton last year. As a result, he remained a question mark. As a result, we needed a QB. And the result of that is that we may have over paid for Kolb when John Skelton was – as you put it – right here.

    Gimme a break. And by the way, can you honestly give me / us a BETTER reason to stick with a QB than the fact that he is winning??? Isn’t that how MOST QB’s get and keep their jobs in the NFL??? You really need to think twice about referring to the comments of others as stupid.

  115. By Eazy E on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Nice win cards! John Skelton is better than Kolb and healthy or not, he should start over Kolb. 21-40 aint great and he needs to start quicker and the 2 picks, 1 to asante was a phenomenal play by him and score and the other by asomugha was a beauty, he blanketed roberts and I definitely wouldn’t throw it to him with asomugha on him PERIOD or any cb on roberts but 315 yards and 3 tds is nice. Beanie you can tell is really struggling with the knee but give him credit for playing hurt and he’s still somewhat effective and keeps the d honest. Larry is my favorite player because of games like sunday. If he has an average/decent/better qb, he can do that every week just about. Larod made a super clutch catch on the wheel route that was pretty. Andre is finally getting dressed and had a few catches, so it is something, but T.O. is still available cards sign the guy and he should be healthier now??? O-Line did a decent job in both the pass and run even though they had 4 sacks and the running game wasn’t too effective, skelton got time when he needed it. Defense played well again finally a couple good games defensively played consecutively. Calais and Dockett were pressuring Vick and calais even ended up with a nice pick. Daryl continues to play well with 9 tackles and a sack along with Lenon who had a sack. Daryl also broke a couple of Vick’s ribs which were unfortunate for Vick and no doubt affected him a bit on his accuracy. Patrick, Richard, and A.J. probably had their best game together albeit without Desean and Maclin for alot of it. A-Wil is making plays and knocked maclin out across the middle but gotta come up with those picks he been dropping this season but sunday, richard got that illegal contact that messed it up for him. Feely missed 2 field goals which are unusual for him but he’ll get back to splitting the uprights. Great win on the road, now san fran is super hot and 8-1, major test, hardest of the season thus far.

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