Rams aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on November 27, 2011 – 8:49 pm

Adrian Wilson was on the field and the Cardinals were about to use the victory/kneel-down formation at the end of Sunday’s game. But with Beanie Wells having a chance at history – to himself – the Cards took a delay of game and then Wells got his record-breaking run, a 14-yarder that put the exclamation point on a 228-yard day.

It was a fantastic show by Beanie, and a necessary one. The Cards need to get Kevin Kolb back on the field at quarterback, odd in some ways to say after John Skelton went 3-1 as a starter, but the passing offense has grinded to a halt. You don’t want to get anything confused – the Rams’ after all, do have the NFL’s worst run defense and have dealt with 200-yard rushers earlier this season, after Dallas’ DeMarco Murray ran for a league-high 253 yards – but Beanie played well and to match his career-high in carries with 27 speaks to fighting through his knee soreness.

— The Cards used a few more jumbo-type packages to just out-physical the Rams. Beanie looked comfortable doing those things. Now Wells just needs to hold up – he looked beat up the way he was walking around the locker room – and the Cards need to feed the Bean.

— Speaking of that knee, the way Beanie got twisted around in the fourth quarter looked ugly at first (and his lost fumble could have been disaster). But he broke off a 53-yard run the next time he got back in the game. And that led Larry Fitzgerald to tag Beanie with the Paul Pierce award.

“Past recipients have been Greg Toler (and) Eric Green,” Fitzgerald quipped. “I think Beanie is a candidate but we are glad to have him on the team.”

Pierce, of course, is the star of the NBA’s Boston Celtics who left a 2008 Finals game looking like he wrecked his knee horribly, only to return later in the game like nothing had happened. It’s all in good fun – Fitzgerald nabbed Green back after the Jets game in 2008, when Green came up lame after getting burned for a touchdown and Fitzgerald insisted his injury “changed” to a different part of the body after Green came to the sideline.

It was all in good fun, although after the ups and downs Wells has been through given his injury situations – and what outside people tend to see with Wells when he gets hurt – it was kinda close to home.

“You know what it goes to show you Beanie has grown up a little bit, a tough-minded guy,” coach Ken Whisenhunt said. “That’s what you need. That’s what we have been striving to get Beanie to get to do for a couple years now. It’s great to see.”

— Beanie has a career-high 849 yards rushing already with five games remaining. He now has a career high in touchdowns too, with eight.

— It meant something that rookie fullback Anthony Sherman was in there blocking for Beanie. Sherman is good at his job already. Plus, Beanie seems to be the kind of back who likes having a lead back blocking for him.

— Fitz was quiet again (3 catches, 55 yards) but that’s what happens when the quarterback struggles so. “I am just happy to get a win honestly,” Fitzgerald said. “I would love to have 100 yards and a couple touchdowns, but I know that’s not going to happen every week.”

Fair. But the Cards need Fitz and more importantly, need to find a way to get him the ball. That’s probably been mentioned before.

— Sam Acho isn’t going to say much about himself. He doesn’t like to do it if he can help it, preferring to shower the entire team with praise. I asked him on the plane if he was going to be a little more forthcoming. Nope. “Go ahead and put me down for all the clichés,” he said. That’s fine. We will stick with simple analysis: Acho has been very impressive. He already has five sacks as a rookie, and he barely played defense before the seventh game of the season. Is he a Pro Bowler? No. Not even polished. But a very good start, and needed at that position.

— No, I don’t know if Sam Rosen will be calling any more games involving the Cardinals on Fox this season.

— Patrick Peterson said on the radio after the game he wants to get to six punt-return TDs this season. If he gets five, it’s a season for the ages as a special teamer. One at a time.

— Hope Rosen wouldn’t have to fill in for the Cards’ own radio play-by-play guy, Dave Pasch. Pasch’s neck was hurting enough before the game he had to get a shot from the trainers of the “blue juice” Ron Wolfley recalls so fondly from his playing days. To be honest, it was a little freaky how jacked up Wolf got with the idea Pasch had to take the needle. Pasch indeed gutted out the game. He’s officially probable for next Sunday against Dallas.

— Tight end Todd Heap finally played a full game, but ended up as only a blocker. He was not targeted for a pass (although Jeff King was three times as a tight end, catching two).

— The down side of Beanie’s two big runs: In six subsequent downs right after the 71- and 53-yarders, one after first-and-10 at the Rams 11-yard line and one after first-and-goal at the Rams 9, the Cards gained all of five yards (two runs for no gain, three incompletions, and a five-yard pass to Fitz). They had to kick two field goals.

That was on the mind of guard Daryn Colledge when it was suggested the Cards found something by leaning on the run Sunday. “We’re going to run the plays that are called,” Colledge said. “We’re not concerned if they are run or pass. We want production. That’s important coming out of this game: We need more production in the red zone.”

— Two wildcat playcalls this season with Peterson at QB. The first time, the Cards had to call timeout before the snap because of a formation problem. Sunday, Peterson fumbled the snap. Maybe next time we’ll actually see what Peterson is supposed to do.

— Skelton said his first interception was simply a bad read and he should have thrown it to the dump-down guy. His other high throws was an issue of trying to get it up and over underneath coverage. “It’s something I have to work on,” Skelton said.

That’s good for now. Game ball, Beanie.

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70 Responses to “Rams aftermath”

  1. By Travis McCollum on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    To bad Kolb is Worse then Skelton and we will start losing again as soon as he gets back. Skelton still got a lot of rough edges to smooth out before he ever becomes a full time starter.

  2. By Sarah on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton seems to have lost a bit of his confidence, time will tell if he can be a starter.

  3. By JR on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Total team effort on this win.
    Acho and the defence
    Petersen and special teams
    Feeley finally kicking some field goals
    Beanie and the run game
    All in all great win cards

  4. By Steve W on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Funny to see folks still calling for Skelton over Kolb, despite his poor performances against sub-par teams. Let’s see, Skelton has had a couple years now to learn the system, compared to Kolb having… what, four months or so? Hey, I like Skelton too, but I see him as a decent backup, not a starter. At least not yet. Maybe he’ll prove himself with time, but I see him more as a good backup QB if our star goes down for a couple games, which is what happened with Kolb. I have faith that the coaches see something in Kolb, and that he’ll start showing his worth toward the end of this season. Yes, too late to save the season I know, but realistically what could we hope to see with a non-existent off season and a brand new QB coming into the fold a week before the first pre-season game? Would have been great to see a miracle, but reality usually trumps the dream.

    I see a whole LOT of potential for the Cards going into next season, and even presuming we’re going to finish this one under .500, that just means we will get a pretty darn nice 1st round draft pick to add to our deck of Cards. We’ve seen glimmers of what can be next year, and I’ll be happy has hell just to see us light things up a bit as we finish out this season to really show us what we can expect in the next.

    Go Cards!!

  5. By Kevin on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Finally, a game where, with the run working, they mostly stuck with it. Didn’t hurt that it was against a poor run defense. But honestly, if someone told you Beanie was going to run for 228 yards (!), wouldn’t you think we’d win by more than 3 points against one of the most struggling offenses in football? And that’s even with PP adding yet another punt return TD. I think the verdict is in on John Skelton — he’s a backup QB. His decent record as a starter has very little to do with his own play. Of course, now if Kolb comes back and loses to the first-place Cowboys after Skelton got to beat the crappy Rams (barely) twice and the unexpectedly crappy Eagles (barely, despite the Cards D holding the Eagles O to 7 points), we’ll have a bunch of folks on here clamoring for Skelton again.

  6. By Gilbert on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    This is a total team win not one player can take all the credit. We hav to remember that the upcoming games get harder lets hope the players are beginning to believe that they hav what it takes to win and I do believe Kolb is more experienced than Skelton and can move the offence. Better. Hopefully kolb will beat those ugly cowboys and shut some mouths off

  7. By brad oneill on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    barely losing early was cause for hope,

    barely winning now against 2-8 team is cause for concern, I loved the fact that they went run, run run. it has been there for us all year, maybe not to that extent but you can see our line makes some holes and it was just a matter of time before the coaches caught on all those this coaching squad is admittedly slow about adjusting to strengths.

    ok get back to the ticker tape. just be glad that unlike my family you only had to spend one post with my crabby self this weekend.

  8. By Chuck 1 on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Two comments:

    #1) PP is a GREAT (a much overused word) punt returner.
    BUT, let’s give credit to someone who hasn’t been mentioned at all regarding the four returns for TDs; KEVIN SPENCER. He has molded 11 guys into an excellent Special Teams unit that has not only produced punt returns for TDs, but also produced three blocks of field goals by Campbell. When we (one of whom would be me) complain about the coaching staff, he must be excluded.

    #2) Does anyone really believe that Helter Skelter can become a bona fide #1 QB in the NFL? If he was a starter for a full 16 game season, he would probably set an NFL record for INTs.

  9. By Andy M on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    With four out of five remaining games at home, there is the realistic possibility of building back to .500. I am really impressed with the young players the Cardinal have on defense: Washington, Acho, Peterson, Campbell, etc. The Cardinals have a defense that can become dominant in upcoming years. The difference from even a month ago is stunning. The young guys will continue to make mistakes, but the personnel is very talented. If Kolb can start to perform to expectations and the offense can get healthy in ’12, watch out! I still believe in Skelton, but he is a work in progress. For him to QB the 1-6 team to wins in three of four games is beyond what you would expect out of a raw back-up. Time for Kolb to step up.

  10. By Paul H on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Not sure why we had Money Mike covering a tall Brandon Loyd with no safety help when we had a blitz called. Otherwise pretty dang good job by the team all around. Now beat the Cow Pies this week!

  11. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    The improved defense should make Kolb a more relaxed, if not more confident QB. So too should a more productive Beanie. Kolb’s #1 job will be to not turn the ball over and sustain enough drives to keep the defense from being outmon the field for 40 minutes. Kolb’s next game back should be a good insight as to his progress. Will be see modest, but measureable improvement, or will he continue to flounder or regress? The way the D and special teams are playing, Kolb really just needs to just needs to be a good game manager until he’s fully 100%.

    Hard to see Skelton being any more than a backup QB in this league, and honestly his play in 3 of 4 games this year doesn’t even warrant back-up status. By now, I think everyone knows what the Cards have in John Skelton.

  12. By don on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb needs to play next week. He needs all the experience with this system and then a full off season he’ll be all right. The only thing I don’t like is all the batted balls when he’s playing. A lot of good young talent on both sides of the ball. We need to re-sign Calais, I hope he doesn’t pull a Calvin Pace or Dansby.

  13. By Born n Bred on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Beanie you are a monster and i hope you love AZ, cause you have some true fans out here that love you.

    Love the gameplan, 30 plus carries with what 25 passes. I wanna ask why the coaching staff did not stick to the run in the first meeting with the rams. I think we ran 15 times and passed 35. You could tell me that, Well Beanie was a lil hurt and now hes feeling better. Thats BS. Rams are Last i think i run D. I wanna start seeing what this O should look like with Ryan Williams(i feel we saw a lil bit of that). We did pick up Chester and have two other capble guys. Beanies OUR workhorse with other backs spelling him and getting thier own. With a QB knowing what hes doing, the pass plays will come in the flow what the run gives us. Kolb has always been my man for the job, i felt hes always needed a run game like this to bring his game out.

    Kudos to the O line but Coaches give them confidence and an attiude when you run and stick to their strenghs.

    D was solid. Ill tell you what Acho. i was not a big fan on yours but if you can string some consistent games on this performance, im not only a believer, ill see you as a solid NFL starter.

    Great Win

  14. By Superfuzz on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    Hahahah, FEED THE BEAN!!!

    if only you knew…

  15. By Chuck on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    I have to for the most part disagree with this blog post and the few comments I did read- I’ve seen a talent, poise, and potential in Skelton since preseason of his rookie year. Given the full confidence of the coaches after Derek Anderson didn’t work out, he would be an average QB at this point, with the potential to be above average soon – if we had an offseason this would have been more evident -(maybe a pro bowler one day). John Skelton is 3-1 because his first two games he won with TD passes and help from the D, and the last two have been not so good, but he did keep the drive alive when he needed to (with his feet, something he’s done in all the games). Those first two games shows he can do it with time and experience. That being said, I believe Kolb can be very good as well.

  16. By azcards24 on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    darren, i know theres alot alot to fix still but, do you think the cardinals will get larry fitz some help at WR with free angency, the draft or just keep the same guys we have right now? what do you think they will do? thanx


  17. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    azcards24 —

    RE: WR help

    I think there are holes to fill before wide receiver.

  18. By Canadian Red Bird on Nov 27, 2011 | Reply

    We sure miss Toler. Matching diminutive Adams up against tall athletic receivers is a miss match that will continue to get exploited. He has tremendous heart and passion however but his 5′ 8″ frame makes him a target each week. I don’t know what the coaching staff sees in him

  19. By tom on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    ok kolb is learning this offens still…. skelton is horrible lets face it… hes a 50% passer who has had 2 of the worst games ive ever seen. kolb never played close to that bad. kolb was playing with a lot worse defense and agaisnst a lot better teams… kolb would have easily won these past few games for us minus the niners

  20. By Emil Dogar on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Agree with most of you guys.Kevin and Ottis you made some good points. It is interesting to see how some fans change their opinions that easy ignoring all the facts that need to be taken into consideration. Skelton was here for quite a while, even played last season.Had time to learn the offense. Yes, he made some good plays at crucial times but let’s not forget, D and special teams improved their play too in those victories. Kolb came from different offense, needs more time and I believe he will get better.

  21. By Old Man Riva on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    As I sat in the stands with mostly Rams fans (there were plenty of Big Red jerseys there too), I kept hearing many negative comments about Skelton (“where is this guy from?” and “this guy is terrible”). After watching him overthrow so many open receivers (and badly too), I can’t help but believe he is a backup QB and nothing else. I realize that his record looks good on paper, but think of how many of those wins he actually engineered. He just doesn’t seem to be a big league QB. I say, give Kolb the rest of the season at the helm and then a complete training camp next year and we may see the real Kevin Kolb step forward. By the way, is our defense getting better and better or what? With young guys too! Maybe Sam Acho will help us forget Von Miller. Patrick Peterson will be Pro Bowler as punt returner this year and next year as CB. GO BIG RED!

  22. By Gary on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply


    When the Rams scored on the punt return,should there have been a blocking in the back penalty called against the Rams? It looked like one of the Cardinals was blocked in the back before the punt returner made his move.

  23. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Gary —

    RE: Rams punt return TD

    Yes, I believe the officials missed what, IMO, looked like a block in the back of Sam Acho.

  24. By cardsalltheway on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Two of our QB’s have shown they do not have the touch(pass %), so any numbskull can figure out that the 3rd guy should be given a chance especially when he looks perfectly capable or as good as the others. If you don’t give him a chance(most reps this week in practice) we’ll never know if he could’ve done it. It’s all about the touch, you either got it or you don’t. I like Johnny S. don’t get me wrong, I trust him more than Kolb but we should see if Richard Bartel can do what QB’s are suppose to do ~ hit thy #1 receiver more often than not.

  25. By reap37 on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    The Cards played better than a 23-20 win. What’s with the red zone sleeping right after long runs by Beanie? Should have been TD’s. Looks like John lost some confidence after the SF game. We’ll see if KK really wants to be the QB next week. If he plays well against a decent Cowboys team, I’ll feel much better as we go forward.

  26. By Big Red Fan on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Great Win! Love to see Beanie becoming what we knew he could be.

    On an unrelated note. . . . so sad for Leinart who was looking great prior to the injury. I was still rooting for him to make the best of his second chance.

  27. By steve on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    I still think that Skelton has more upside than Kolb — you can say what you want about his play, but he is kind of similar to Tebow, in that he wins and makes plays (throws and runs) at important times…. he ran for a first down on 3rd and 11 — that ultimately resulted in a touchdown, he threw a lovely pass on a wheel route to Howling that pretty much helped ice the game…. I dont forget how 2 games –Giants and Ravens we had big leads and if the offenses just got a couple of first downs (instead of 3 and outs) that would have resulted in wins…. Let’s face it –Skelton has way better pocket awareness than Kolb — I honestly think that Skelton has much more long term promise than Kolb —Hey Aaron Rodgers sat and learned for 3 full seasons, I bet you if he was thrust in to playing his 1st or 2nd years the results would have been bad.

  28. By ddoggphx on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Look at the guys around Beanie in the locker room there…defense and his fullback (sherman has been ideal as a lead blocker). The defense LOVES them some Wells, because a) he’s a tough guy who plays with pain, b) he lays the wood on corners, safeties AND linebackers and c) he grinds out the clock and keeps them on the sidelines.

    I love seeing the defense react to Beanie’s runs…feed the bean for sure. I think Nine-Oh would agree.

  29. By SteveDCO on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Darren – Did A-Dub stay on the field becuase the coaches hadn’t called a run? Just curious if it was the coaches idea or player forced idea to run the ball.

    Hard to not be positive about some signs from this team. Sure, there are huge gaps in talewt at a few positions but great to see the team building and getting better.

    I have to give a lot of credit to the O-Line, they played very well Sunday. Still think we need a top tier LT and move Levi back to RT but that was a solid game.

    Acho has really risen to the top, intresting to see the coaches keep praising how smart he is and then mention Schofield has to wear arm bands.

    I’m sure my order will change in the next few games but the team needs seem pretty set. OT, OLB, WR, SS, CB which means they can easily do some of this in FA and the rest through the draft. Need to see the Bidwill’s alow Graves/ Whiz to be a player in FA again this year.

    But priority #1 will be to get CC locked up to a long term deal. Darren, since the Cards are under the cap and have to spend most of that money do you see them making a huge push to get CC locked up before the season is over?

  30. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    SteveDCO —

    RE: Wilson

    Wilson is part of the victory/kneel-down formation. I am not 100 percent sure the coaches knew Beanie was just tied for the record until after they sent the formation out there. Honestly, it’s not like they are paying attention to the stats.

  31. By clssylssy on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    It amuses me that Cardinal fans cannot accept and be happy with a win without ragging on Skelton, who despite still being rough around the edges, still is getting the job done. I don’t complain about wins and the commentators complimented him more than once after starting off rough and recovering. Our running game and defense has come a long way but Kolbs passing game was pathetic, so if fans are counting on him to save the season I will be happy to be wrong.I see Dallas as beatable next week at home with the right mind set and play, maybe the right QB. It was good to see Peterson and Wells do the post game presser as well as Fitzgerald, who is the classiest guy in the NFL and a total team player. GOOD JOB TEAM, FLY HIGH AND BEAT THE COWGIRLS! MAKE EM CRY!

  32. By jasonm on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    I cant believe im saying this , but we need Kolb back hopefully he can get it together , we have a great team ,the O line and qb position need most of the work everyone knows ,good win cards ,lets give em hell next week.

  33. By Peter in Canada on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    The bad thing about yesterday was that with Beanie’s Herculean effort, another PP punt return and good defence we only beat a 2-8 team by 3 points. Skelton’s first 2 starts were o.k., an 85 passer rating which was much better than last year’s numbers, but since then he has badly regressed, so it’s definitely time for him to go back to the bench. Kolb played well in his first 2 starts of the season and began to regress and I think the toe issue was a blessing in disguise both for him and the coaching staff. Now he has the chance to start afresh and implement whatever he learned during the time off. He should be much improved. We can not compete against the better teams unless we get much better from the QB spot.

  34. By joe67 on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that all our qb’s seem to digress the more they play. J S looked better in early appearances than he does now. Even last year. Kevin looked better in first couple games than the last couple. Even D A looked better when he first got here last year, than he did as the season wore on.
    Is it something with our system, play calling, coaching? I’m not saying it is, I’m just saying it sure seems like they get worse as time goes on.
    Any thoughts Darren, or anyone.
    Sure glad we got the win. Ugly W always better than pretty L.

  35. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    joe67 —

    RE: QBs slipping

    It’s a fair question. Not sure what it would be.

  36. By Mike Ellingboe on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    For all the complaining about Levi Brown this season, has anyone thought to give him any credit in our run game? For as much as he struggles in pass protection, he is the complete opposite when we finally decide to pound the rock. Completely sealed off the left side of the field on Beanie’s 70-yard run, and watching him pull on the 50-yard effort displayed quickness I didn’t know he had.

  37. By Eric on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    First, anyone that believes Skelton is anything more than a back up QB, doesn’t understand what they are watching. He barely beat three teams worse than us, and I understand this is the NFL, but seriously, less than 50% completion rate and the int’s are not going to yield wins against quality teams ( I think it is hilarious that Tebow completes less than 50% and they are calling for the HOA jacket, when in truth that boy needs to kiss the preverbial ass of his defense for the few wins he has) and certainly not going to hack with us customers.

    I’m so dam proud of Beanie, this is what I imagined when we drafted him. That to go with some improved play (thank you whiz for taking the old men off the field and putting our young studs out there to grow) from the defense and some awesome Special Teams (whomever said Spencer was to thank was right) we can see the bright spots for the future.

    All that said, my God I hope Keven Kolb can get his head turned around and show us he is going to be the man. A big win against the over rated (as usual) cowgirls will go a long way. GO CARDS!!!!!

  38. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    #21 is the BOMB! Just think of him returning INTs once he learns to get in position to get his hands on the ball more. He certainly looks to have Deion Sanders potential. Running that ball, #21 really looks like the HOF #21.

    The only bad thing about PP’s development is that the Cards might not be able to afford his next contract. He’ll be one to extend earlier than later if he continues to improve at DB as everyone expects he will.

  39. By horned frog on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    4 games is enough of a sample to see what kind of backup qb Skelton would be/is,
    50% comp with more Ints than TDs, and a decent 3rd down run once a game. If he wasnt drafted nobody would be calling for him lets be honest. Dont let the National Hype League make you think anything different. Not good enough is another phrase for “raw”. Next QB please stand up.

  40. By SteveDCO on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Seriously people are now calling for Bartel to get the job?

    I guess we have been in the film rooms and all the practices to see how Bartel how out played Kolb and Skelton.

    Before we decide to cut Kolb (like many sound like they are ready to do) let’s give him a season and full off-season to see what he can become.

    Let’s not forget, this is the guy Fitz picked to be his QB.

    Bartel has played for 5 NFL teams (and 1 UFL team) and everyone let him go. Maybe, just maybe we can assume that the 20+ offensive coaches that got to see him all knew that he is a career back-up at best.

    Kolb on the other hand has a completion % over 60% this year and his last two years in PHI.

    His 1st game in AZ he had a 130 pass rating. He has been NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice! Maybe we should give him more than 7 games to decide he is a bust.

    But I guess this is like everyone assuming Wells was a bust too…..

  41. By cardsalltheway on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Colin Cowherd(KTAR 620) said San Diego coach Norv Turner was one of the worst 5 in the NFL, but if I remember correctly just last year he beat our very own Ken W. Hummm? At the time we were 2-1 while the Chargers were 1-2. We lost 41-10 on Oct. 3rd 2010 by a huge margin. I must have missed when he said Ken W. was one of the worst head coaches in the NFL but for some reason I doubt it, he probably has a list of said players/coaches he can’t/won’t call out?

  42. By cardsalltheway on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    I’m very happy for the Cardinal players when they do good and deserve recognition, I used to work and volunteer in Peoria. I participated when the Super Bowl(Pitt vs Dallas) was there. Go Beanie!

  43. By Fred on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    I dont know about everyone else but it seems to me that maybe the QB coach is trying to get Skelton out of some habbits but causing more problems. He is not the most accurate QB in the game but for some reason it looks like he is getting worse; there is more than meets the eye. Just look at what happend with Kolb he started off decent then all of a sudden he starts throwing like he was a HS QB. Is it time to look for a QB coach that can actually mold a QB instead of destroy them? I think both Kolb and Skelton have what it takes its just a matter of GOOD training and it seems to be getting worse.

  44. By Mike Ellingboe on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply


    Agree that Skelton is like Tebow, in that they both are getting way too much credit for what their respective defenses are doing to secure victories. Denver’s “D” holds their opponents to under 14 points three weeks running, and Tebow and his 45% completion percentage gets all the national pub. Not saying that to criticize Skelton, but I think the fan base needs to recognize the coaching staff had him pegged correctly from the word go, in that he was a player who was going to need a couple of years before he was really ready to compete for a starting job. From what I’ve seen, I’d say that’s been pretty accurate.

  45. By Mike Ellingboe on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply


    If I were to venture a guess I’d say it’s called game film and knowing who they’re preparing for. For the most part, if you give DC’s around the league enough tape to look at they’ll find something to take advantage of. One example I’ve noticed, just from a very limited TV view with Skelton, is he’s no longer getting one on one coverage on his deep throws. Both the Rams and Niners rolled coverages over the top, and each time he missed his target by a good five yards.

    The biggest problem I see with Whisenhunt’s offense is not many QB’s have the ability to get the ball that deep down the field accurately on a regular basis, especially when faced with the multiple reads they have to go through. When/if we ever find that guy again, I’d much rather see us continue to focus on a power run game and a shorter, high percentage pass game.

  46. By CreditCard on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Give credit where credit is due. Levi Brown did an outstanding job run blocking, as did Colliege. Fullback Sherman also had a good game run blocking, he can be a future game difference maker with his blocking skills. Roberts had a couple nice down field blocks as a reciever.

    Acho appears to be making more progress than Scholfield and too is coming along as a rookie. Could not tell how our new NTs worked in yesterday’s game against the Rams.

    The future is starting to look brighter, provided our QB play at least elevates itself to an average performance. Continual growth of the team, returning players like Tolar, R. Williams, D Williams, and a good draft — the Cards just might be able to compete next year.

  47. By Sarah on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with Fred’s comments about too many QB technique coaching methods going on. In terms of Skelton I still believe he has huge upside versus Kolb. He needs time and is above most of the other quarterbacks of his draft year that are playing, time will tell. I will say his salary of $400 K annually versus Kolb’s 10 million is striking . I did not see the game because both teams are losers and Fox does not show it outside of Phoenix.

    I also think Bartell needs a start so we can fully assess the guy outside of him playing against the opposing second string.

  48. By wnycardfan on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Glad to see a win. Some great, PROGRESS and consistency being shown that gives me hope for next year. Defense is looking a lot better. The young guys are looking good. That is great. DEF COACH is looking good too given how his def is playing. PP is awesome, great punt returner and it looks like he’s really doing a lot better on coverage. Glad to see that and he looks like a good guy too. Beanie, awesome day. Wish he could have a few more like that. I’m still worried about Beanie’s overall health/durability. Is he ok for next week? We need him, and we need a good back up to him too so that the run game can be established, that can only help the passing game. Special teams look great too.
    QB – to me very worrisome. Skelton I’m not in the camp that say’s he’s automatically only going to be a backup, but it does look like he’s regressed and lost confidence. Kolb NEEDS to play. Hopefully he’ll have improved, if he doesn’t, I’m really getting worried.
    a win is a win and I’m glad to see it. But (i know, always a but) it was against a 2-9 team, can we perform on DEF/ST against a team with a winning record? We only beat them by 3 points, somehow we have to find a way to win against the big boys.

  49. By APCARDS on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    HI Darren-
    Any Chance Todd Haley could return as OC if he is let go from KC?

  50. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply


    RE: Haley in Az

    Long way to go before you consider that. Haley still has a job, and the Cards already have an OC.

  51. By Fred on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    I have been trying to think of a way that kind of proves my point. I think I may have stumbled onto it. When Warner was the QB do you remeber how many times he would go to the sideline and get into lets say disagreements with some of the coaches? I think the younger guys DA, Skelton, Kolb and even Bartel just dont have the confidence that Warner did to say “hey I am out there playing and I am gonna play how I am comfortable” instead they listen and try to show the coaches that they are listening so they dont get benched becasue they didnt do what the coach told them. I really see it being more of a QB coach that really doesnt know what he is doing and trying to make them all players that they are not. To me when you coach you teach to the strengths not try to enforce QB for dummys book down their throat.

  52. By Christo on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    @CreditCard how much credit do you want to give the OL against one of the WORST run D’s in the league?

  53. By Acho Libre on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Is it just me or does the team have a much better vibe with Skelton in at QB? It sounds like another quarterback in the AFC doesn’t it, doesn’t it…TIM TEBOW! Just like Tebow, Skelton is leading fourth quarter comebacks, his defense is playing well for him, and his team is winning games. Enough about Kolb…Skelton is a natural leader and I trust him a lot more than Kolb when the game is on the line. Skelton has “it” and if the coaches were smart, they would be patient and put their trust into Skelton at QB. He makes young QB mistakes, but his attitude and leadership are what you need if you want to be a successful franchise.

    Darren — Do you think the coaches will consider Skelton’s win against Dallas last year when they make the call on the starter? Skelton got it done last year, and the game this year is almost the same setting

  54. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Acho Libre —

    RE: Skelton/Kolb

    Last year’s game will have no bearing on this game. What would have bearing is 18-for-42, 213 yards, 0 TD, 5 INT, 19.3 pass rating — which are Skelton’s numbers in his last two starts. If Kolb is healthy, he will start.

  55. By Chuck 1 on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply


    Thanks for posting Helter Skelter’s (sorry, I can’t control myself) numbers.

    I continue to be surprised that so many fans are so upbeat about HS’s future.

    I also agree with some posters about the inability of the QB Coach to develop and improve Kolb’s and HS’s performance. Get a new QB Coach.

  56. By Chuck 1 on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    I am surprised that so many fans think that the Cards can win several of their remaining games.
    Let’s remember that they have just beaten the Lambs twice and the Eagles once.
    That’s not exactly Murder’s Row.

  57. By MIKE G on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Nice win for the Card’s yesterday–Monster game from Beanie–
    I love it when a Card’s running back has a big game on the ground. Offensive line was good in the run game. Can’t say enough about Sam Acho–really playing well as is the whole defense. Good to take 2 of 3 on the road trip and I thought Skelton did a good job getting 3 of 4 wins. I know his stats were not very impressive but he did lead them to the victories–that’s all you can ask from the backup. The team seems to play hard with him as the QB. Hopefully Kolb will play next week and play well for the team. Again Peterson continues to shine on the returns. Darren– Do you think Whiz will use Hypen more during the course of a game???–seems like he is getting crucial third down conversions in the 4th Qtr for this team–which is a good sign.

  58. By Mike Ellingboe on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply


    In regards to your comment to creditcard, how about balancing it out and giving them as much praise as we do blame when they’re pass protecting in five & seven step drops against teams like the Ravens & Steelers?

  59. By Mike Ellingboe on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply


    Let remember, as well, that they won 2 of 3 on the road with their backup QB and have been very competitive in all but three of their games. Finishing out with four out of five at home (especially with the way our “D” has been playing) is reason for some optimism.

  60. By steve on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    @mike Ellington — so back track to the Giants game — a 10 point lead with 4+ minutes left –Giants drive down and score easily, Arizona gets the ball still with a 3 point lead and goe 3 and out….. This is what I am saying, if Kolb makes a play and creates a first down, burns up a little clock, then maybe the defense holds and Arizona wins….. Lets click to yesterday’s game — 3 point lead, with 3+ minutes left, the Rams crowd is into it, if the Rams get a 3 and out they get the ball back with 2 minutes left, whats Skelton do?, a beautiful 3rd down play holding the line backer with the fake and floats a perfect pass to stephens howling to burn ut the clock.. No one is giving Skelton extra credit not at all!!! Maybe if he played better it would have been 28-7, BUT! he did it when he needed to be done…. Kolb has not –didn;t do it in washington (albeit Stuckey fumbled), didnt do it in Seattle (threw an interception), didnt do it against the Giants, Ravens, played horrible against the Vikes and Steelers…. What was Whisenhunt’s motto???? it’s how you finish!!!!

  61. By Scott H on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    WOW, WOW, WOW!!! This Peterson kid is AMAAAAAAZING!!! Suddenly, we have our own Devin Hester. For real! I could watch that highlight all day. Damn, that boy is FAAAAST!!!

    Beautiful game from Beanie as well. Yeah, the Rams are tragically bad against the run but…so what? Still a monster performance from a guy who entered this season looking like a colassal bust. I had my doubts as well. If he is able to perform consistently going forward, our outlook is so much brighter. And, honestly, if he doesn’t have such a monster day yesterday, do we even win this game??? We were NOT gonna win it with our passing game. Not so great to think that we needed such a historic day from our RB just to barely beat the Rams, but…I guess it beats losing to the Rams!

    Bottom line is that it is great to see that guys OTHER THAN FITZ can step up and make the big plays to win games.

  62. By CreditCard on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply

    @Christo. I’ve been extremely critical of Levi Brown’s leg turn-over rate, (which is horribly slow) leads to constant failure to pass block. Appears he does well pulling down the line and blocking to the interior / down block. However his pass blocking, screen blocking, down field blocking, kick-out blocking are all unacceptable. If Brown wants to continue to play in the NFL he will need to work on his quickness. Against the Rams, my opinion he had a good game. I agree previous games his play was well below acceptable — I really wondered if Brown puts forth a professional effort — and if not, he s/b cut.

  63. By Mike Ellingboe on Nov 28, 2011 | Reply


    Fair points, but if not for the play of the defense/special teams he wouldn’t have had a chance to finally finish. Nobody could be creative enough to credit the lack of a drive in the first Rams game that could have led to a victory (instead creating a situation for a blocked field goal just to extend the game) and an impossibly great play by Peterson to end it. And I’m pretty sure if Kolb had the backing of 228 yard performance by Beanie in any of the close losses the result would have been reversed. To be fair, if we’re talking awful performances we’d have to put Skelton’s effort against the Niners at least in the same category as Kolb vs Minnesota & Pitt.

    Not ripping on Skelton by pointing any of this out, just reiterating why the coaching staff wasn’t comfortable making him the starter (yet). Or why I find it ridiculous that the fan bases in Denver and in some circles, here, want to give the very mediocre performances of their QB’s as much credit as they have for their recent win streaks.

  64. By Evan on Nov 29, 2011 | Reply

    I second the questionable Cardinals quarterback development, too. As mentioned here a long time ago (when Leinart looked like the confident USC stud he was in his very first game for us at UofP Stadium, then looked lost and worried about mechanics ever since), the only thing we’ve seemingly done right in this area was to correct Warner’s initial high turnover ratio – if he didn’t fix it personally.

    Moving forward, Kolb is obviously the best option and I’m looking forward to his 2012 season. Based on his attitude and work ethic, he’s a winner in the making and just needs a little more time in (our) saddle.

    Speaking of 2012, I also agree with azcards24 that we should get another WR to take some attention off of Fitz (also mentioned here before the season started, “…pick up a TE like Heap and someone like Plaxico to take the heat off #11”). It’s obvious and should be a higher priority.

    Regardless, with Wells finally stepping up and Peterson running like he’s late for a date with Halle Berry, there’s reason for optimism if we all show a little patience… Predict a 7-9 finish this year and 11-5 next WITH the Whiz. But first, let’s beat SF in our house a few weeks from now, ok? Ok.

  65. By cardsalltheway on Nov 29, 2011 | Reply

    Beanie and Docket look confident that M. Bidwill will do something soon to help them out(rid Ken W.). If events such as these occurred after firings they would look like the picture above. Jacksonville Jaguars coach was just fired(Del Rio) while having just 1 less win as us. Just think if Kolb hadn’t hurt his toe, where would Ken W. be?

  66. By Ben on Nov 29, 2011 | Reply

    If Kolb continues to play bad like in the Vikings game we are screwed. Kolb needs to learn to scramble forward. Every yard counts and running backwards doesn’t help the team. Come on Kolb learn from Skelton and step up into that collapsing pocket and secure that ball for possitive yards.

  67. By Eazy E on Nov 29, 2011 | Reply

    What a game of BIG plays and performances on both teams but even more from us! Skelton didn’t play well at all, but he keeps winning games and that is really all that matters and Kolb isn’t/wasn’t. 12-23, 114 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTS isn’t good at all though, but we’re winning. Beanie was incredible with 228 yards on 27 carries with a 71 yard run and a 53 yarder and a TD. We got to get my boy Fitz the ball alot more and gotta be more accurate on them. 3 catches for 55 yards with a big 41 yard catch for Fitzy ain’t his numbers other WRs ain’t consistent enough besides Early most of the time. It would help alot if we had a decent #2 i.e. T.O. I don’t like that our TE position this year has been like our past few years unfortunately with injuries and non-production on the field. O-Line gave up 3 sacks total and was lighting up Skelton for a minute. Defense looked really good, dockett must have had 3 or 4 pressures that were almost sacks and bradford got rid of that bad boy and he forced a big fumble too. Eason and Carter looked effective in the middle and Calais stopped the run well also. Acho had a very good game with 2 sacks and a key fumble forced that got us the ball while they were driving in the red zone. Acho outta Texas, I really liked him coming out and was happy we drafted him because I live in Dallas and I see alot of Texas games and I’m a UT fan anyway, but he made so many plays with his brother Emmanuel who is still there making plays and will be in the NFL next year. Both are very smart and gives God all the praise. What more can you say about #21?!?! Patrick is growing into a star cornerback, but he is already a devastating KR/PR. Our secondary is doing alot better than earlier on and the scheme looks alot better with time doesn’t it; and hopefully Kerry will return this week. Good win in the division and sweeps the Rams who aren’t great but still a win is nicer than losing. Dallas is next and they are very hottt, so it’ll be tough even though we’re at home, Good Luck Cards!!!

  68. By Chuck 1 on Nov 29, 2011 | Reply


    Why limit the Cards to 11-5 in 2012?
    I wouldn’t be surprised if they ran the table. 16-0!!!
    That’s probable because we all know that Graves will have a dream draft and sign monster FAs. And, Whiz will retain all of his coaches. LOL

  69. By Louisville Card on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, I know I’ve asked this question several times, but what’s the deal with heap. When the season started you thought he would at least get 70 targets, now the guy doesn’t even get one thrown his way when that’s his strong suit? Seem like they should just cut him and quit wasting their money on someone who hardly plays and when he does doesn’t really contribute. Is there something else going on with him or does whiz not like him?

  70. By Darren Urban on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    Louisville –

    RE: Heap

    He’s been hurt for most of the season. Not sure how complicated that is.

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