Niners aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on December 11, 2011 – 11:05 pm

The Cards hang a 21-19 loss on the 49ers Sunday, as satisfying of a victory as they have had all season – that’s 10 games decided by seven points or less, still tied with the Denver Tebows for most in the league, and the Cards have won six of them – but you could tell that hint of frustration from wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald afterward.

OK, maybe it was more than a hint.

“It kind of pisses you off a little bit because you know the team we were capable of being,” Fitzgerald said, noting the Cards’ rally from that six-game losing streak that put them in a hole it’s going to be hard from which to emerge. “The way we’re playing now and the way we were playing earlier during the six-game skid just really makes you upset.

“If we had won just two or three of those games, we would possibly be fighting for the division.”

That’s true, but I am guessing the Rams – twice – and Eagles and Cowboys and Niners are all lamenting the same thing when it comes to the Cards. Bottom line: The Cards could have packed it in after falling to 1-6. They didn’t. “How many times during those first weeks did we say that we were going to stay the course?” coach Ken Whisenhunt noted (and I know that frustrated some fans to no end). So here we are.

“That’s one thing I’ll say about these Cardinals: There is no quit,” tackle Jeremy Bridges said.

— I’m sticking to my theme of waiting until Cards get to .500 before talking postseason possibility.

— But considering the Giants/Lions/Falcons all could have lost today and won, ouch. Thank goodness for the Tebows taking out the Bears. Somehow.

— Was it me or did it look like linebackers Sam Acho and Clark Haggans chased 49ers quarterback Alex Smith for five minutes on that final fourth-and-1 play? “Last week coach took me out for a little bit, and it was like, ‘We need you to rush the passer and you’re getting tired,’ ” Acho said. “All that was going through my head was, ‘You can’t be tired – it’s the last play.’ Clark and I were just running in circles trying to make something happen.”

— The defense can’t get enough praise for Sunday. I mean, the 49ers had the ball for more than 22 minutes in the first half – and had just four field goals and a 12-7 lead. “Could’ve gotten ugly, right?” cornerback Patrick Peterson said with a grin. Uh, yes.

— Five more sacks, by five different players. For a second straight week. The list this week: Peterson (his first NFL sack), Daryl Washington, Nick Eason, Darnell Dockett and Calais Campbell.

— Campbell was huge again Sunday. He is playing so, so well.

— No, Adrian Wilson didn’t hang on to the two passes that looked like they should have been intercepted. But he played another excellent game Sunday and has found a groove in this defense. To paraphrase SI writer Jim Trotter, reports of Wilson’s demise were greatly exaggerated.

— How important is field position for the 49ers’ offense? San Fran started 10 drives on its side of the 50. They scored three points. Their other four scoring “drives” started on the Arizona 43, 4, 16 and 37.

— Didn’t we just say the Cards couldn’t afford to mess up the turnover battle? Cards had three turnovers. Niners didn’t turn it over. How do you explain it? (Well, it starts with a D.) San Fran scored just three points off those three turnovers.

— The Cards didn’t have three touchdown passes in a game all of 2010. They did it once previous this season, when John Skelton had three in Philly. But in that game, two went to Fitz, one to Early Doucet. Sunday was the first time the Cards had three different receivers catch TD passes since Fitz (2), Steve Breaston, Ben Patrick and Anthony Becht did it in Chicago Nov. 8, 2009.

— John Skelton was not good his last two starts. He ended up playing pretty well Sunday. We’ve said this before, but his resiliency is so impressive. It might be, even beyond his big arm, his best attribute. It won’t always translate into success, but he couldn’t have any success without it.

— Loved watching Bridges block a pair of Niner DBs — Chris Culliver and Dashon Goldson — by himself on Early Doucet’s big screen pass the play before Andre Roberts’ TD catch. Rex Hadnot had a great peelback block on linebacker Aldon Smith on the play too.

— Kevin Kolb took a knee to the back of the head by linebacker Ahmad Brooks as he was being sacked by Justin Smith. We’ll see what that means for Kolb this week.

— Punter Dave Zastudil is playing with a torn biceps in his arm. If things go like normal, that doesn’t have to cost him time, but it’s tough. Yet Zastudil averaged 46.6 yards a kick Sunday.

— Odd that Frank Gore, who had the 37-yard TD run, got only 10 rushes (for 72 yards). Niners coach Jim Harbaugh only said “No, not a reason” when asked if there was a reason Gore played less than normal. Cards won’t argue.

— The 49ers win the NFC West this season. But, given that, the Cards will take what they got Sunday. “I’ll tell you this,” Campbell said. “When the game was over and we came out on top, it felt like a Super Bowl win.”

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143 Responses to “Niners aftermath”

  1. By CS on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    2012 this D is Top 5, no doubt! Fastest QB Rush I have ever seen, wow!!!!

  2. By Phoenixraven1 on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Incredible game!

  3. By Brian on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Man, that was one exciting game in the birds nest. Lets win out!

    Go Cardinals!!!!

  4. By bluepitt on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    “as satisfying of a victory as they have had all season”
    Yes and No…
    The D is lights out! and I will be the first to say I was Verry wrong about Ray !!!
    That being said:
    Kolb needs to go play in the LFL!! Yes I said it! 20mill for a guy that cant take a hit?
    I have seen hits to the head and Kolb’s head didnt even jerk! If the head gear they have today cant handle a minor “SHIN” to the head I dont know what to say!!!! Yes I looked at that play 9 times and it was a Shin not a knee and the Shin slid off the side no jerk from the head!
    I am so glad it was the 9ers win but Whiz gives up on the run way to fast!
    Gore went no where all day, then broke one for a td! That is how it works.

    I think Wells had like 8 car. going in to the 3rd quarter…WTF?

  5. By R Robles on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Great game Cardinal’s very proud….man I wanna hear some news on resigning our guys.

  6. By adub z on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    answer me this please…… why do you say “biceps” tear? did he tear both biceps or does that mean only one arm tear

    im confused cause they said that about adub and he only has one arm hurt……
    please help me uderstand the difference between bicep tear and biceps tear

  7. By Darren Urban on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    adub z —

    RE: “Biceps”

    It’s my understanding that the correct term for singular is still “biceps.”

  8. By bluepitt on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    And yes, from the top view it looks like a knee hits Kolb’s head, but from game level it is a upper side of the shin… side being the key word because it slid off, and didnt push his head in a jerking motion, now Chester took a cuncused hit and got up to play more!!!lol!
    Ah heck who wouldnt take 20mill in gurrrrrinteeed cash then choke when it is hittn time! You still get the cash!

  9. By jeffreysanders on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    There was nothing better than to wave “Good Bye” to all the Niners fans around me today! Another great team win!

  10. By Soares20 on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Hey what happened to all of the supposed Cardinals “fans” that said how terrible this team was, that we would not turn the corner, that Whiz and his whole staff needed to be fired????

    Props to all of the TRUE Cardinals fans that kept believing and that stayed with this team through the hard times. GO CARDINALS!!!!!!

  11. By in fitz we trust on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    still feels like the same type of gameflow where im nervous the whole game lol
    sucks for kolb but he will live, im glad it happened the way it did, otherwise the outcome might have been different… skelton threw way too many high balls, i would hate too see one of our wrs get injured because of it( high balls were the cause of the picks)… a dub needed to make those catches, same with acho, we had some busted coverage plays that could have been costly, luck was on our side. im glad we beat one of the best teams in the league!!! dont know if anyone asked, or i might have missed it, but is paris lenon ok??

  12. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    In Fitz —

    RE: Lenon

    Paris returned to the game and was part of the defensive unit that had the final fourth-down stand.

  13. By Mike Ellingboe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    Why do you think Wells had such llimited carries? Wouldn’t have anything do with us being down 19-7, would it? Or the fact that we were playing as good of a run defense as we’ve seen all year.

    Is good to hear you compliment Horton, though.

  14. By jerry on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I read before the game started that Bartel was inactive. Is he out from injuries? If so and Kolb suffers from a concusion whats instore for a backup with 2 qbs out on injuries. Great game bytheway, Cards rocked both defense and offense

  15. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Jerry —

    RE: Bartel

    The Cards only keep 2 QBs active on game day. Bartel is the odd man out when everyone is healthy. If Skelton had gotten hurt, Early Doucet would have been the emergency QB.

  16. By dan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    draft classes are starting to look very good, too bad Ryan Williams got hurt in preseason………..I can only imagine what he could have done. Still not a big fan of Andre Roberts.

  17. By Evan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Great win against our division nemesis, but way too many heartless Kolb haters on here for my liking. An unexpected knee to the head really $#@! hurts (even with a fitted helmet on) and I’m just glad he walked away from it. And yes, you should be too.

    The guy IS the future of our franchise and we’ll get every penny out of him in the years to come. Kolb will have a monster season next year (with a little patience and the support of real Cardinals fans). Until then, kudos to the killer D and Ray Horton who will get us to 9-7 before it’s all said and done THIS season.

    Then, and only then, we can hopefully talk about: “Playoffs? Don’t talk about playoffs. Are you kidding me? Playoffs? I’m just hoping we can win a game, another game.”

    Let’s start by making Cleveland wish they didn’t make the trip… – Jim Mora

  18. By Andy on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    There are two heads, or bundles, in this muscle. Therefore, it is a (bi)ceps.

  19. By Zach on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    For a minute I was trying to figure out watching the game who this David Carter guy was before I realized he was a rookie. I found him to be very impressive in his pursuit. There was a particular play I remember where he ran down a SF ball carrier about 10 yards or so and made a monster tackle.

    The guy is really good and really fast. I think he should get some more playing time. What was your take on David Carter’s performance?

  20. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Zach —

    RE: David Carter

    I think he has played very well, especially for a rookie and 6th-round pick.

  21. By Scott-T on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Just wanted to say, all the way from Sydney Australia, how proud I am of these boys. They are so exciting to watch at the moment and id hate to think our earlier (stupidly close) loses will cost us a playoff berth. Big thanks also to Darren for your perfect game coverage as always.

  22. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Why is Fitz looking back? The Cardinals are in control of their own destiny, if they win out they will probably make the playoffs. Lose one game, and they might not? Yes, “if” we had done better early then maybe we could of won the division or get a favorable match up in the playoffs ~ IF.
    Better start looking ahead to next weeks game, must get off to a good start and keep it going. No let downs!

  23. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Go Johnny S.!!!

  24. By clssylssy on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Great TEAM win!. BEST game on yesterday and hope they will replay it. I could watch it everyday as a motivation tool to get my day started. Awesome example of coming together as a team to defeat the enemy! As I’ve said ALL YEAR, we’ve got the talent on this team to go all the way again, just got shorted by locked out and having no off season. Next year will be different! Hats off and kudos to the coaches, Horton has proven to the disbelievers that he can build a defense and Whisenhunt’s cool head has won out in unifying these men into a real TEAM, rather than a few standout prima donnas. Is Larry Fitzgerald even real? What a guy! What an athlete! What a blessing to have him as a Team Captain! That catch with a 360 turn for a TD should be included in the “greatest football moments” Ask a gymnast what the degree of difficulty would be for that! THANK YOU CARDS! THANK YOU RED SEA! LUV YOU GUYS!

  25. By MIKE G on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren. Great win for the Card’s yesterday. The team is improving and that is a great sign. You have to give credit to the defense. Their back was against the wall in the first half with field position and they responded. It felt similar to the game a few weeks back. Then in the 2nd half they really clamped down. Also you have to really tip your hat to John Skelton -to make big plays and show the poise is really nice to see–especially coming off the bench and then respond against that defense is something.
    This game felt like a playoff game. It is evident that Ray Horton has this defense buying into his schemes! They are not giving up the big play and their tackling has improved drastically. Just look at the way he is using A-Dub as compared to last year–he is not getting caught in coverage-and is back to being that disruptive wildcard safety that he is. The Card’s defense is basically keeping the play in front of them and then laying the wood to the ball carrier. Hey Darren–when you are at practice – do you notice Horton really stressing the art of tackling to the guys–they seem to really be improving in that area???

  26. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: Tackling

    I think they have just paid more attention to detail period, and that includes tackling.

  27. By Greg on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    How many times has Whisenhunt been successful with the challenge flag? I feel like most times he tosses it out there, it’s not even close. Your thoughts ?

  28. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Greg —

    RE: Whiz challenges

    I’d have to look it up. Although you have to admit, the one on the fake FG was a success regardless.

  29. By Gilbert on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Very good game. I’m heading back to my hometown and enjoyed the game tremendously the stAdium expirience is like no other. Go Cards

  30. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    We gotta beat the Seahawks!!!
    Chicago Bears schedule:
    Home vs Seahawks ~ Go SeaChickens
    @ Green Bay ~ Go Packers
    @ Minnesota ~ Go Vikings

    Giants schedule:
    Home vs Redskins ~ Go Skins
    @ New York Jets ~ Go Jets
    Home vs Cowboys ~ Go Cowboys

    The Cowboys play the Giants in January(not December) 🙂 Expect the Cowboys to lose one or both of the games in December/weeks 15 & 16 but win in week 17 vs the Giants.

  31. By Jesse Robles on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Great Team play on Sunday, HORTON IS THE MAN!! Defense Wins Championships!! I personally think we should trade Kolb for our 2nd rounder back. There are SO MANY QB’s coming out in this draft, Kolb just cannot take a hit. This is like a wasted year for him, Skelton is not that bad, everyone has bad games. Skelton is our own little Tebow, all he does is win. Give Skelton more time, Skelton my not be the answer and I know this, but Kolb is DEFF NOT the Answer either. Lets go Red Sea, so loud in there yesterday. With how many Niner fans there were there, I was happy we won that.

  32. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Johnny S. is our Tebow, but why don’t most Cardinal fans see this?

  33. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Worse yet, why did it come to this or why didn’t Ken W. and company realize this before? Here is how Ken/Graves can save face, just pull Kolb whenever he gets hit a bit too hard and put Johnny S. in the game.

  34. By Chris B on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    RE: Kolb’s Hit

    League mandated tests etc kept Kolb out of game, not Kolb himself. If given the option Kolb would have played. But with head injuries they don’t ask the players for their opinion. Don’t knock Kolb for something he can’t control.

  35. By austin on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb left because he was concussed and medical staff wouldn’t clear him, did you not see the Colt McCoy blow up. Had we let him go back in there would have been a HUGE backlash!
    Second of all, Beanie got 15 carries even though he was averaging less than 2 yards per carry. I would say we stayed with the run pretty well considering.

  36. By Alex Mann on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Lol Bluepitt… Do you want a concussed QB playing football? Sure if you want him to throw several INT’s that game.

  37. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Really Ken W., have you “stayed the course?”

    Our other route to the playoffs, we win out of course(easier said than done) while the Lions and Falcons lose out ~
    Lions play…
    @ Oakland
    Home vs Chargers
    @ Green Bay

    Falcons play…
    Home vs Jaguars
    @ New Orleans
    Home vs Buccaneers

    I’ll have to bench or drop M. Stafford, C. Johnson, and B. Pettigrew on my Fantasy team during next weeks playoffs. Yes, of course I made the playoffs!

  38. By LB on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Giants win was good for the Cards Darren, it’s in our interest that the Giants win the division since we lost to them and beat the Cowboys. The other two winning hurts, specially when the Falcons came so close to losing.

  39. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I relived the Cards/Cowboys game last week when watching the Giants/Cowboys game this week. Did anybody else see that LIVE? I’ve always said Romo couldn’t ever do it, he has jinxed the Cowboys since he misheld or botched/bobbled field goal in the 2007 playoffs vs the Seahawks.

  40. By Brian on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bluepitt the reason Kolb didn’t go back in the game is because of what happened to Colt McCoy on Thursday night and what his father came out and said afterwards. There may be serious backlash coming towards the Browns organization for allowing him to go back int he game. Since Kolb was showing “concussion like symptoms” the team played it safe and kept him out the rest of the game until he could be re-evaluated today. I saw Kolb on the sideline jumping up and down and thought he would come back in but the coaches took his helmet away so he couldn’t. Also, not sure what you were looking at but I’ve seen the replay a bunch of times. The reason you think it was a shin was because his head snapped forward so fast after the knee hitting him the back of the head.

  41. By Card's Chick on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @bluepitt – “I have seen hits to the head and Kolb’s head didnt even jerk!”

    Come on man…what are you a Doctor? Who are you to say which hit is hard enough to concuss a player? How do you hate on someone because they are hurt during the game? I don’t QB’s can go back out on the field if they display ANY symptoms of a concussion. So even if Kolb said he felt ok enough to go back in the game he can’t. Considering the kind of hits those guys take every week, I imagine they wake up Monday morning feeling like they’ve been in a car accident. Until you have some experience out on that field, maybe you should stick to being a fan on the sidelines.

  42. By Steve Nealy on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks for the insight Darren. I’m impressed with this team in that they have not given up hope. I credit that to coaching (and with a tip of the hat to Michael Bidwill, who has given this staff ownership’s unwavering support). It takes stability at the top. That hasn’t been the case in the 40 plus years I’ve endured rooting for the Cardinals. Until recently.

    What excites me most is the prospect for next season. I think the question mark is still at QB, though Skelton seems to improve weekly. The young D is inspiring. Hopefully, Dan Williams gets back to normal next season. I think the WR corps is fine, and we’ll only be better at RB when Ryan Williams returns next season.

    In short, these Cardinals will be fine.

  43. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    The is what the Cardinal defense did to…
    A. Smith QB – SF
    Loss, 19-21
    175 Pass Yds, -3 Rush Yds 6.70 ~ FANTASY POINTS

    Believe it or not my opponent had Alex Smith this week 🙂

  44. By David on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    What a great win for the Cardinals and their fans. Winning the last three would make the season end on a very positive note in hopes of building an attitude for next year.

  45. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Fantastic job Cards! I can now look forward to next season, but for all the right reasons now. And of course, there’s three left this year. We may not make the playoffs (I’d be thrilled with 8-8 the way we started), but we’re building a great foundation for next year with the wins and experience our young guys are getting this year. If there is going to be an upside to being eliminated from the playoffs so early (not to mention the injuries), it is going to be all the extra playing time (experience) guys like Acho are getting this year that they would have had to wait until next year to get because coach never likes to start rookies.

  46. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Fact is the Cardinals would probably get more value from a Johnny S. trade than a Kolb trade. Watch out, don’t expect Johnny S. to be back next year 🙁 Of course it does depend on what happens in the remaining 2011 season or who plays next and wins? Maybe Ken W. has learned something from Andy Reid, even if Ken W./Graves gets rid of the wrong guy.

  47. By D on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    A very good win for AZ. With the back QB, basically SF shutting down the running game, but our Defense is getting good. Cards need to sign Campbell, or they may have to pay him Top 5 DE money at franchise tag-also, they need to resign The Hyphen too. I think if A. Brooks hit’s free agency, AZ should go after him fast–add him to our D and it would be “Steeler like” (add Toler too will help)

  48. By jasonm on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


  49. By Kevin on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bluepitt —

    Come on, if you know anything about football and/or concussions, “concussion symptoms” is all you need to hear to know Kolb shouldn’t be back out there. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Kolb wants to play, and questioning his toughness is pretty sad.

  50. By Rich on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    was at the game……..intersesting to watch the crowd…so quiet in the beginning and then loud and insane later…..lotta fun.

  51. By joe67 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Same as last week. Those Red uniforms are so ugly, I really think it confuses the opponent and breaks their concentration!
    All the bashers have to admit, at least for the time being, Whiz and Horton were right when they kept saying stay the course. This DEFENSE IS SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT NOW.
    After two big wins, we CANNOT have a letdown against a lesser opponent, or it is all (mostly) for naught.
    Sure souinded like a bunch of Niner fans down there. Are they as obnoxious as Dallas fans??

  52. By CJ on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Such a satisfying win. Our defense is just destructive. Holding them to as few of points as we did was incredible. Skelton showed some good work too. Both of his interceptions were off of tips so they weren’t 100% his fault (though that one to Fitz would be a rough one to catch for anyone).

    Looking at our remaining schedule, it looks like we have a serious shot at a Wild Card slot. I know we’re more dependent on other teams losing (and the Bears definitely look like they might be that losing team), but I’m hopeful. I’d say a .500 season is almost a definite.

    One question for Darren, What are your thoughts about Kolb’s health? He lost the starting job in Phillie because of an injury and has been on and off here. In fact, had it not been for that first 49ers game, it looked like Skelton was going to make a serious bid for the job. I do think Kolb is a better QB but with such issues of staying healthy, do you think he can be a hindrance?

  53. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Everyone —

    RE: Kolb health/concussion

    I understand the concern about Kolb’s durability. But let me let you in on a little secret: Players get frustrated with fans sometimes, and the Kolb situation is exhibit A why. The QB gets blindsided and then takes a knee — not a shin, a knee — to the back of the head. He’s held out, and smartly, under NFL rules. Yet his toughness is questioned. I don’t know how that makes Kolb fragile when he gets blasted in the head. No player is going to be able to overcome that. And frankly, the mindset that he’s a “wuss” or needed to man up is exactly the reason a) all these older players are suffering through post-concussion issues later in life and b) the NFL has put in these new safety rules.

    This wasn’t a hamstring pull. Anyone getting clocked like that is going to have the same problem.

    OK, getting off my soapbox now.

  54. By jocards on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve been as critical of this team as just about anybody else (more critical of ownership really)…and I think justifiably so but they are playing well now and it is so nice to see. The defense seems to get it now and they look tough. This recent streak of success has all been fueled by the defense, great job. Credit to Whisenhunt and his staff, the team could’ve easily quit after starting 1-6 but did not. Truth is that this team is not going to make the post season but my hope is that they just keep playing well and finish the year with as many wins as is possible. The last two weeks they have beaten a good team and that is certainly encouraging. I’d really like to keep Kolb healthy and allow him to develop a rhythm. Skelton did a good job yesterday but he is not the most accurate passer I’ve ever seen….I’d really like to get a better idea of what we have in Kevin Kolb. Wins are what it’s all about though so today is a good day.

  55. By Kevin on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    As far as this game, way to go Cards! Skelton had a very good game considering this was the team that he performed so poorly against just a few weeks ago, and he didn’t get the reps in practice. The two INT’s and one fumble weren’t good, but I don’t really blame him for the INT off Fitz (of course I don’t blame Fitz either; it’s just one of those situations where they’re trying to make a play; tipped balls happen). Other than the TO’s, he made good throws when it counted and our receivers made the catches (and, in Fitz’s case, he turned two of them into even bigger plays than they should have been).

    I imagine 49er fans will be bitching a little — the sack called on Smith on the 2nd-to-last drive was bogus, and turned 2nd-and-5 into 2nd-and-16 at a critical point. But calls like that happen. Our D was great. Only 12 first downs by SF (of course, that’s all we had too, but we didn’t need as many considering we had TD’s of 60 and 46 yards along with the play to Fitz for 53 more). A drive starts on our 16 and another on our 4, and they only get FG’s? Unbelievable.

    Just like last week, we win a game against a good team with nothing big from special teams, no pick 6’s or fumble returns — in fact, we didn’t force a TO at all, just like last week. If you told me the Cards were going to lose the TO battle 3-0, I would have given them almost zero chance in this game. Just a great effort.

    As soon as the game was over, I was already thinking what Fitz said — not so much about the division, but at this point, even just ONE more win would put us in relatively decent playoff position. Not great, but DET still has to play GB and ATL has to go to New Orleans and I think we own the tiebreakers against them (but not CHI). As it is, we still have to hope to win out and that at least 2 out of DET/GB/CHI lose 2 of their next 3. I actually don’t mind that NYG beat DAL because we own the tiebreaker vs. DAL and not NYG. Unless DAL goes 3-0 in their last 3 games (including one at NYG the last day of the season), we’re ahead of them if we win out.

  56. By Lynn on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    Any reason why we didn’t go for two when we scored to make it 20-19.? That would have taken the loss by a field goal out of the equation. Maybe because of the time left. Just wondering.

  57. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Lynn —

    RE: Going for two

    Whiz answered that.

  58. By clssylssy on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Will Brooks be fined for the “knee to the head” hit on Kolb? Isn’t this almost the same thing as a kick in the head? Considering the sequela associated with head injuries and the league’s new guidelines it would seem that this should have been called. All head injuries are serious.

  59. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    clssylssy —

    RE: Brooks knee

    No, he won’t be fined. That was clearly accidental. He was running after the fumble.

  60. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    “– Kevin Kolb took a knee to the back of the head by linebacker Ahmad Brooks as he was being sacked by Justin Smith. We’ll see what that means for Kolb this week.”

    Kolb looked ALERT walking off the field, why was he taken out of the game? With R. Bartel inactive I’d expect a Ken W. grilling if we ever see Early Doucet playing QB. Darren, please prepare for that grilling on such an occasion.

    There is really something wrong with the NFL or the Cardinals when Kolb comes out of the game on a play like that(touch knee on head) and an obvious effect on the Cleveland Browns QB Colt McCoy’s concussion. Darren, please ask Ken W. and Horton who was hit harder/looked more affected by thy hits, Kolb or McCoy?

  61. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Did Ken W. and company watch Law and Order SVU this week? As you probably know the show was about an NFL players(timely with the Bengals report out this week) hurt for life.

  62. By wnycardfan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    As with many
    1) DEF is looking awesome. I haven’t seen Cards DEF like this in forever. PLEASE resign cambell and keep building some young guys into it. These guys coupled with Horton are doing very well. I wasn’t one that said Horton sucked, but I’ll admit i was a bit doubtful after the first few games. These guys are looking good, showing progress, and playing with intensity.
    2) KOLB I just wish we could see him play a few more games in a row so you can see what you have. He got hit and had to stay out, I don’t hold that against him. I was/am disappointed he didn’t play. Hope he gets in there next week.
    3) Loved to see Skelton play well. When he first went in and was turning it over I was so ticked off. He proved me wrong and came back decent. Nice job for him and the receivers were looking great too. Good job
    4) running game, wish they had run it more, but they won. Hope to see it come back more next week.
    Overall, the PROGRESS and momemtum and intesnity and teamwork I see has improved my morale a lot for the team. I wasn’t too happy with Kolb, the DEF, or Ken W. They have all done better and that makes things better for sure. I am hopeful now (where before I wans’t) that this team is building up and getting better. They do look a lot better. Keep it up
    Finally, KUDOS to Fitz and Ken W. Setting records is great for all.
    PS: 6 wins is better than the 5 last season, so that is nice

  63. By Big Red on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Todd Haley would be a great re-addition… I love his fire and his beard.. OC??

  64. By cardsalltheway on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Do you feel respected by your higher ups since everything you read here doesn’t get any recognition other than by smart butt remarks by your co-workers/yourself on “Cards Underground” or maybe a simple number count? Is this blog anything other than a number(s)/dollars for you?

  65. By dre on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Todd Haley just got fired let pick hime up

  66. By Jzoully on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    Please just please pettition Kolb, he is not worth the money given, we need to give up on him. Trust me when I say that next offseason drafting a quartback is actually a good idea because we need to breed a quarterback who is tough and smart. Makes smart decisions, reads correct defenses, and doesn’t become injury-prone. IF the Cardinals don’t draft a quarterback I don’t honestly think that we will have a chance at postseason next season, we won’t be able to resign major players.


    Any belief that a veteran quarterback might be brought in for backup? Suggestion I honestly believe that Jeff Garcia or Daunte Culpepper are good. Even Tony Pike.

  67. By Brian on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Thank you for addressing that Darren. Concussions area a serious issue with the league. Ultimately these are human beings too and need to be protected. Looking at what some of the retired players are going through it is a necessity. As I mentioned before, Kolb looked like he wanted to come back in but especially with McCoy’s situation a few days before, the coaching staff did the right thing in keeping him out to make sure they don’t jeapordize his future, not just in football but in life.

    Also, anyone questioning his toughness needs to take a look at how many times he got hit in the first 7 games. He was sacked 24 times and hit on plenty of other plays, one of those being a hit he took in Washington while still delivering a perfect pass to Fitz. Kolb has always had that reputation among his teammates and that’s why they like him. I’m pretty sure Darren mentioned it after the Washington game.

  68. By Jesse Robles on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    TODD HALEY!! Lets get him back so we can get an Offense!!

  69. By reap37 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    This is so encouraging! This team is showing the kind of character that makes for a champion. Maybe not this year, but I would bet on next year that we’ll see a real battle for the Division with the Cards winning. Now when I think back on those close losses, it’s really heart-braking because we would have been in the middle of it this year. BTW, the Cards have to follow the league rules on concussions. They had no choice but to pull Kolb and put John in otherwise they would get a big fine, as they should. Love the all the new guys. Win out and wait for next year.

  70. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    GET HAILEY BACK NOWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE JUST GOT CANNNNED!!!!!

  71. By Jeff Gollin on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Check out Zastudil’s net punting average – something like 30.6 (compared to Lee’s 46.something).

    I’m glad the Cards kept Kolb out of the rest of the game – if only as a precaution.

    Darren – Could you speak to the importance of defenders getting their hands up when rushing the passer (an oft underrated aspect of play; the importance of which is being validated by the success of Calais, Acho and other Cardinals more than I can ever remember).

  72. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Jeff —

    RE: Zastudil/Batting passes

    You realize the net was greatly affected by Ginn’s 50- and 25-yard PRs, which I put on the coverage unit more than the punts.

    As for knocking passes down, obviously, it meant a lot yesterday.

  73. By AB on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    Just heard Todd Haley was let go by KC Chiefs. Do you think we will bring him back to our coaching staff?

    Also, Steve Breaston left us to go play for him.

  74. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    AB —

    RE: Haley/Breaston

    I wouldn’t close any doors on Haley.

    And Breaston left the Cards to sign with the team that offered him the most money. I’m sure Haley helped that, but that’s why Breaston went to K.C.

  75. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    I don’t get to watch every game up here in Wisconsin, but is Adrian Wilson the “Troy Polamalu” of Ray Horton’s defense. If not, who best fits that role?

  76. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ottis —

    RE: Wilson/Polamalu

    That’s probably a safe comparison.

  77. By Andy M on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, unbelievable effort. Kudos to the players and coaches, but can you or someone explain something to me? I cannot understand why Whiz did not call for a two-point conversion after the touchdown with about eight minutes left. If it had been successful, the Cards would have been up by three and a FG by the 49’s would have only tied the game. If the Cards had not converted on a two-pointer, they would have still been ahead by one. There was not enough time in a defensive battle for a lot of permutations on scoring. As it was, it all worked out, but if the 49’s had caught their last pass, they would have been moving toward FG position that would have beaten the Cards. I might be missing something, but it seems like the the choice for a PAT was a tactical blind spot. There was enough time on the drive leading up to the touchdown to have thought through this.

  78. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Andy M —

    RE: Going for two

    I disagree. There were almost 12 minutes left. How about this scenario: Cards go for two, fail, get the ball back and score a touchdown with, say, 5 minutes left. Instead up being up 9, you are only up 8, and they can tie with one TD.

    Obviously, as the game got late it meant something. But — and I have cohorts who can vouch for this — I am a huge critic of teams that go for two before the fourth quarter and even early in the fourth quarter. I have seen it come back to bite teams too many times when it didn’t have to. In the end, it’s a philosophical debate. Denny Green used to drive me crazy going for two early.

  79. By JJV on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I have been a season tkt holder since 1992. The Whisenhut coaching era is by far the best I have ever seen and he has the wins to back it up. Kevin Kolb will be the QB everyone expects, and he will win more games than not. I for one demand and hope that Whisenhut is extended and that GM Rod Graves not be forgotten for his contributions. I truly believe we will return to the super bowl within the next three years. Lets stay the course!!

  80. By CardsDna on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ Darren,

    Thank You! It drives me crazy to listen to people that have NO idea what it feels like to play in the NFL. NOT high school, NOT at some CC, but the NFL.

    @ bluepitt

    Lets meet up one day, and you can put on the helmet, and I will knee you in the back of the head, and see how you function for the next couple of hours.

    I am sorry if you can play in the NFL, you are not a “wuss”!

  81. By Eric on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Great game. First, Kolb is not “Mr. Glass” like blue pit seems to think. I doubt there are any nuero surgeons on here with pit bull reference nick names. Nut said. I really think and hope with this year ending on a positive note and a full off season, with some mechanics coaching, Kolb will be good. He has taken some monster hits this year and I believe yesterday was the first one to put him out of a game. Perhaps if he had two decent takles protecting him, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

    As far as “staying the course” and someone elses ridiculous challenge of “real Cards fans” being upset with Whiz, things only changed when he, somewhat out of need and somewhat ot of desperation, took our old, broken, slow, LB’s and gave more time to Acho, Schofield and the younger guys, did this ship right itself somewhat. I give all the credit to the awesome improvement of our YOUNG, fast, more disciplined defense, and Ray Horton. Great job.

    However, super loyal fans that never challenge coaches decisions, don’t cry the ” we always believed in you Whiz” crap, because TRUE fans understand what they are watching and challenge it if it stinks.

    Finally, Darren, thank you for correcting idiots calling Kolb a Wuss. That was a nasty hit, and for anyone that doesn’t understand, that is the worst place to take a hit to your head. I hope he is read for Cleveland, and I also hope to watch Beanie get at least 57 to go 1000 for the year. That would be awesome.

  82. By Ez on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I would like to give props to our D for a spectacular W against the 9ers! Being all the way from Indiana I love watching my Cards upset a team (and hate how NFL Network constantly snubs and picks against the Cards all the time).

    I have never lost faith in this team and know that someway they will get the job done

    also Darren since i cant get the Cards games(unless Fox local decides it will finally air a matchup) I want to thank you for doing a great job covering the Cards.

    Also Go Cuz #36

  83. By Jacob on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Great win yesterday, absolutely thrilled to beat the 49ers and end the losing streak against them. Keep playing the way we’re playing now and we’ll definitely be competing for the division title next season.

    On a bad note, this mindless Kolb-bashing has to stop. Give the guy a break. He’s been ridiculously unlucky this season. He started off OK – not amazing, but not awful – but the Defense couldn’t stop a thing and as a result, he was basically being asked to go win games on his own. He’s not Brady or Manning. He was unlucky to get injured, especially seeing as how the Defense have really got it together recently in his absence, and I thought after last week’s solid performance against the Cowboys, and Skelton’s horrible starts against the 9ers and the Rams people would finally start accepting that Kolb is the starter. Now, after beating the 49ers everybody will probably start jumping on the “start Skelton” bandwagon again.

    I know Skelton played quite well at times last night BUT he still had two interceptions which might have cost us the game if our defense hadn’t been so good. He was bad against the Rams until the 4th quarter (doing his best Tebow impression), he had a similar game against the Eagles to last night (where the 2 interceptions, including the pick-6, could have cost us the game if the defense hadn’t been so good), and of course we know we beat the Rams the second time in spite of his dreadful performance. Point being – is our 4-1 record under Skelton REALLY down to Skelton??

    I think with this defense, Kolb would be getting the same results. He showed against the Cowboys he could get it down without any turnovers. Give him a chance – he is, and should be, the starter.

  84. By David C. on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve been as hard as anyone on Whiz, and still am unimpressed with his personnel moves, but give the devil his due. He’s coached up this team in the second half of this season. We’re now in the Wildcard hunt, and even if we don’t make it, there’s no shame in finishing 8-8. I just hope Kolb isn’t out any extended amount of time, because now should be when we evaluate the position and decide if he’s the “guy”.

  85. By Peter in Canada on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    After a good start Kolb regressed but came back last week and played well. After two good games Skelton regressed but came in yesterday and played well. What we have is two QB’s who have played quite well at times but are inconsistent. I think this is a much improved situation where last year none of our QB’s ever played well. I think if one of the two, and I personally don’t care which and neither should the club or the fans, can gain that consistency that separates the star from the average/good we will be in great shape.

    And I am getting sick of the Whiz bashers. When a 1-6 team does not start mailing it in but still plays hard the coach is a good one. To hell with challenge flags, run vs. pass and all the rest of the carping. next week we go to 7-7.

  86. By cards62 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    My Christmas gift came early for me and it is exactly what I wanted a victory over the 49ers. No other team in the NFL I enjoy us beating more than the 49ers and their arrogant fans.

    This defense is incredible. They are playing aggressive and hard and not giving up. My gosh the first half they were barely off the field and most of the time in their own territory and yet did not give up a TD. Our defefense held SF scoreless the last 11:50 of the game with a 2 point lead. When was the last time we did that ?
    I just loved how physical our D played they were not taking any crap from SF.
    Ray Horton is my MVP so far this season.

    Fitz of course is Fitz but what a great player and game. I loved his block on Doucet’s TD.

    I do not know yet who I want to be our QB next season, but my hat is off to John Skelton for being ready to play. John of course was not perfect, but we do not win this game without him.

    I can not believe the Chiefs fired Todd Haley after he won the division last year. I think this is a mistake, but I hope it will be our good fortune. We need an OC. I would love to have Todd Haley back or Norv Turner so I hope our Cardinals make a move. Norv Turner is my first choice as I think he is great with QBs, but not a sure thing he will be fired this year by San Diego.

    Darren what chance do yo give to us bringing back Todd Haley?

    Darren like you I was pleased but puzzled as to why the 49ers did not use Frank Gore more in this game and also puzzled that we did not run the ball better in the second half with our passing game working.

    Go Cards

  87. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    cards62 —

    RE: Haley return

    A lot of different pieces would have to fall into place for Todd to come back, I’d think.

  88. By Jzoully on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ok seriously there is nothing ‘woos’ about being booted from the game of concussion like symptons. But guys take it easy, the guy surely put an observation up there, like it or hate it, it’s his opinion don’t get all angry ‘lets put you in a helmet and I’ll hit you with my knee’, fans don’t antagonize other fans about something said that is something so stupid. I for one don’t believe that Kolb is actually worth the pain, but that’s because he has been going through an injury-filled season. As far as it getting better it won’t, there is only two possibilities that unfold.
    1. We try the experiment out and see if it’s worth it.
    2. We draft a legitimate quarterback (Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M)
    Get over it Cards fans, this is a destiny that we need to go through. I feel like Kolb is another failed experiment like Leinart.

  89. By Soares20 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    -I assume that loyal fan comment was directed towards me so I have to say again and prove you wrong that the loyal fans are the ones who support this team through thick and thin and don’t cry every time something does not go their way and want the entire organization to dump the QB and coach every year. I don’t understand why some fans think they are the coaches and they should be running the team. Whiz has been playing and coaching his entire life.and I did believe Whiz would turn things around and he did.

    -By the way he didn’t put in Acho and Schofield out of desperation it was because he knew they were not ready! If you remember Darren put up an article about how much the young linebackers were struggling and Whiz was a smart and a great coach by making sure they were ready when he put them in and he was right not the fans!! and like you suggest how “TRUE” fans understand what is going on don’t make me laugh you have never been a part of an NFL coaching staff and you have no idea what kind of mistakes occur because you have no idea what the game plan was calling for, for all you know Fitz could be messing up every play. And hey prove me wrong go apply for a head coaching job since you are apparently the next Tom Landry you should seriously let somebody know.

    -and fyi I do agree with you about Kolb and Horton. and I guess regardless of what we believe we both want the Cardinals to succeed so whoever is right who cares go Cards!!!!

  90. By gw on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    The defense played a great physical game congrats. to coach Whiz and Horton now if only grimm can get the o-line to play with that same physical play then beanie and the run game will flourish. congrats to FITZ. on another 1000 yds a true pro.

  91. By Sean on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bluepitt, get real. Concussions are serious, and no matter how ‘macho’ or ‘tough’ someone is, there really is no difference in protecting against a concussion from one person to the next, and it’s the doctors call as to whether or not he can return. Any other QB in the league takes that hit, they’re sitting too. Kolb is our best bet at QB right now, and anyone who cant see that needs to get their eyes checked out.

  92. By gw on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    The Cards have a good problem they have 2 qb in this league you need 2 qb. next year have a open camp but Keep both qb. HALEY RETURNED? MAYBE NEXT YEAR I HOPE AND IM SURE FIZT. WOULD NOT MIND.

  93. By BIG RED on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    JS deserves to be the QB of the future.

  94. By Alex Mullane on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    man its nice to see people finally defending Kolb on these discussion boards, he will turn around and he will start to play the way we hoped he would. Patience is a virtue

  95. By Jzoully on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    One more thing,

    Am I really the only one that believes that Levi Brown has played up to his top potential this year? I can’t believe that I am going to be the only person who wants us to re-sign Levi to a lucrative contract of 5 years, in all honesty he has amounted the least amount of sacks this year, and I believe that he deserves pro-bowl considerations.
    1. Levi Brown – 5 year contract, $40 million dollars
    2. Calais Campbell – 5 year contract, $45 million dollars
    3. Clark Haggans – 2 year contract, $11 million dollars
    ….And we would definitely need to either improve Brandon Keith or sign someone new.

  96. By Duane S on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. I have been noticing that after the last few wins, the media and “experts” are all saying things that refer to “what’s wrong with the Niners?” or “The Cowboys suffer another weird loss.” It seems as if everyone is looking at the other teams failings, and not the fact that the Cards are doing things right. Kind of disrespectful, but makes me happy! That means they will always tend to underestimate the Cards…..I doubt that the offensive/defensive coordinators will take us lightly (after looking at game film), but just kind of nice to be slipping in under the radar.

    As far as the Kolb detractors go, I’ve had 2 concussions in my life (many years ago from vehicle accidents) and they still cause me trouble, In the “good old days” you just went on kept on keeping on….. I’d like to think that the people that have invested all that money in Mr Kolb are smart enough to protect that investment….regardless of what the league policy is. No football game is worth the consequences of having him loose his career or worse…. I’m not certain, but am getting there, that he is the “franchise” for us….he’s taken a tremendous amount of punishment this year. My only disappointment in this winning is we are probably going to loose out on drafting Kalil or one of the other elite OTs….

    How’s that for rambling on?

  97. By Corgon on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Another great game, yeeeeeeah!
    Defense – Brilliant….again (and if this is what Horton hoped for the 2nd week, then can’t wait the next chapter)
    Fitz – So good to see him playing in red. He’s unbelievable! Played as said. Enough is enough,.no more glory for the 49ers. He teared them apart.

    Now the script: We have to run across the browns, chase all around the field Dalton and pick his throws and fumbles and give the Seahawks what they really deserve. 9-7 is coming baby! I don’t think it would be enough for the playoff, but considering the 1-6 start it would be really-really nice and also important for the youngsters.

  98. By APCARDS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah Cards! So awesome to win again especially against the niners!! I was there as I always am and I saw WAY too many niner fans and most of them were obnoxious! THey were WORSE than both the Dallas AND Steelers fans! Hideous!! BUT… the best way to shut up the opposing team fans is to WIN. 🙂 Speaking of that–Card fans need to SHOW up. Stop being fair weather fans(many of you) and selling your tickets. Get to thet stadium and start routing! SHOW up. Nothing better than a scratchy throat and ringing ears after a Cardinals WIN!!!! Keep it up, Cards!!!!

  99. By APCARDS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    P.S. Hope Kolb is OK. Head injuries are no joke.

  100. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ Soares20,
    Im still here and still verry displeased with Whiz and his play calling and or help of the play calling!!!! If they fired him I wouldnt loose any sleep over it, He will take all the credit for wins but refuses to step up and take credit for losses! Fact!
    @ Mike Ellingboe,
    First of all at the end 1st quarter we were trailing by 3 points 3-0 Sf….
    Second quarter we took the lead at the 7:10 mark of the game, and were only trailing by 5 points at the end of the 2nd quarter. 12-7 SF.
    We only attempted to run Wells like 6 times!! With a back up QB in? WTF That shows a lack of dedication to the run!
    Your run game hasn’t even had time to get rolling after 6 carries and that has nutn to do with the 9ers D!
    3er quarter we went down 19-7 at the 12:24 mark for only 3 minutes we scored at the 9:04 mark in the 3rd quarter!
    So your trailing 19-7 crap doesn’t work! We were down 4 points with 9min left in the 3rd quarter.
    Like I said a blatant lack of dedication to the run! Simply because it didn’t pay huge dividends after only 6 carries,
    Sorry that is not good football! A Win is a Win, but give me a break Gore only had 35 yards on 6 caries less the one carry for 37
    and they didn’t abandon the run!!!!! Sorry just how I feel.
    And once more we weren’t down 19-7 the whole game that was for only 3 minutes.
    And Ray really proved me wrong shoe in mouth!!
    Kolb’s Head!
    Knee Shin tomato tomatto..
    The factors that lead me to believe he was fine, And I don’t blame the staff for holding him out!
    I don’t think the staff ran to Kolb to see if he was concussed! I think Kolb went to them. And I don’t know what player would ever do that so fast, with out waiting to see if he cleared up (See Warner in the saints game).
    As for Colt That dude got plowed! They showed it over and over again! No one was even concerned with Kolb’s head when SF challenged and they showed it over and over to determine where the ball was spotted!
    1st factor:
    Kolb has a track record of getting hurt and not playing when other players with the same injuries haven’t missed a play!
    2nd factor:
    Kolb watched the whole play never took his eyes off the ball not even for a instant after he got hit! He didn’t even flinch, Colt flinched and flinched a bunch! So do most people with concussion symptoms.
    3rd factor:
    Every person at Sunvelco football supply said that those helmets can absorb a 20 pound sledge full speed and give the player no ill effects.. and i’m sorry that hit to the head was so minute, I just don’t believe it!!!! Not for one minute! He may have got his bell rung but I personally once again PERSONALLY think he took it to the trainers giving them no other option but to hold him out! And Yes I could be way off But I don’t personally think so! Those hits happen every game to a QB.

  101. By James on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    True fans look at THE WHOLE PICTURE and judge what’s going on with the team in a very objective and reasonable way!I could really care less what other teams did/are doing,the Cardinals got a new quarterback weeks before the regular season started.They had no offseason to get the offense to gel with the QB.They hired a new defensive coordinator but he couldn’t work with the players because of the lockout.They lost BOTH of their starting corners from last year and had to start two VERY YOUNG and inexperienced guys in their place who was learning a new defense.Again,real fans look at the whole picture and judges objectively.

  102. By Greg on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    I was thrilled with the results of the challenge! Sometimes I just shake my head because there is zero chance a call will be overturned. Pure guess but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Whiz at the bottom on this one.

    Thanks for all the updates!

  103. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ Card’s Chick,
    HAHAHAHA, lets see my foot ball playing days…. why don’t you look up and contact John Guy a member of the Semi-Pro FootBall Hall of Fame, and ask him about the Running back for the Shamrocks who came in Via the AZ rattlers?… And before you say SemiPro sucks, look up how many players in the NFL came from that very Semi-Pro League!
    @ CardsDna,
    bring it! I live right by UPS stadium we can go to the great lawn and strap up get a little hitting in! you give the time and date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I give you my word ill be their!

    No need to fight, we can settle this on the field!!!!! Like Grown A$$ Men! Yup I just called you out! I still have my gear!
    I played with tons of players that could have played in the NFL I was told by manny that I was one as well, But it is not as easy to get in as it seems. And that has nutn to do with skill, it has to do with who you know! that is it!

  104. By tom watson on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, I agree with you, so if you are correct, then Kolb is out for at least a week according to NFL rules for concussions? Or did they hold him out because of his history of concussions. Kevin is a tough guy (he is a Texan) I know he wanted to play, all players want to be in the game he is no exception.

  105. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Tom Watson —

    RE: Concussion

    He could be cleared this week, I believe.

  106. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Funny how I didnt see you people in here talking when Wells was being called a injury prone player!!!!!! When I kept on saying he wasent! And who was right???? YUP ME!!!!

  107. By Kevin on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Cardsalltheway —

    Don’t be an idiot like Bluepitt, and don’t be a devil’s advocate poster who just says controversial stuff to try to get a response. You think that because on TV he “looked alert” to you, he should have stayed in the game? That’s laughable.

  108. By Kevin on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    My view on the 2-point conversion thing is, I usually agree with not going for 2 that early — as Darren says, before the 4th quarter or early in the 4th quarter, I normally wouldn’t even think about it.

    However, I think you have to adjust to the situation, and not just go by a chart or standard rule of “when to go for 2” (as some coaches seem to do). This game called for a 2-point try. The 49ers already had 4 FG’s (and had attempted a 5th) to 1 TD. They weren’t mounting much of an offense, and our D was really playing great other than the one TD run by Gore. It seems the odds were quite a bit higher that if they scored again at all, it would be a FG.

    I understand the scenario Darren is talking about (if the 2-point try fails AND we then get a TD to go up 8, they can still tie). There is also the reverse scenario where SF gets a TD first and then, up 5, the obvious thing to do for them is to go for 2 so that a TD/extra point by us only ties it. But given the way the game was going, I’d be a lot more worried with 11 minutes to go in the game that SF would get another FG, than that both teams would get another TD.

  109. By kkfan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks Darren, for explaining the reason behind Kolbs being kept out of the game. Knowing Kevins desire to play (from his time in Philly), I’ve no doubt he was giving Whiz and the OC a strong arguement to return to the game.

    The comments of his being a wuss or too fragile ar really unfair insults . He has taken a beating this season, with that O line. Yet he has continued to get back up time after time. To give the team a lead. Kolb is anything but fragile.

    The decision to keep him out of the game was not just Whiz’s alone. The leagues have implimented a rule. That once a player shows signs of a concussion. They are not allowed to return to the game. They must pass certain neurological tests by an independent neurologist before they can be given the green light to get back on the field. How the Browns were able to allow Colt McCoy to go back into the game on Thursday can only be seen as he didn’t show any real signs when being given the side line tests by their team Dr. Or it was ignorned by them (coaches) because they wanted him on the field.
    To those who seem to think it wasn’t that much of a hit. When a 300 + pd player is comming at your full speed, Any hit is much stronger in its actual contact then what it might appear from watching a replay of it.

  110. By Mike Ellingboe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    Make sure, before you knee Bluepitt in the head, that you find a 250-300 pound monster to jump on his back and drive his head into your knee, just so he can say he got the same experience Kolb did.

  111. By Ukcardsfan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    Levi Brown is not the answer at LT but he has improved as the season has progressed, do you think the cards will re-sign him as RT and draft a LT in the 1st round.

  112. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    UKCards —

    RE: Levi in 2012

    Since they have to cut him first, I’d expect Levi to look long and hard about his future and where he wants to be. He’d have to take a big paycut to stay here, I’d think.

  113. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe,
    Ben their done that! Just screwing around in the sand lot league a couple years ago we played the PXH Fire and Police 11 man semi pro football team in a charity game at that highschool on cave creek and unionhills!

    Those guys hit 3X harder than any NFL player ever has or will they are all in every play, just ask Marcel Shipp he was at the game, and even said it to us in the locker room, Those guys get full pay and bennies if they get hurt out their, Playing for the Fire Department and police!
    And I did get hit by a 300+ pound Nose Guard helmet to helmet, I didn’t even remember how I got to the game, when asked by my coach I told him I rode with Mike —-, when in fact I drove in the parking lot bumping California dreaming by drey and 2pack…… Making a big stink about my arrival! Dont tell me about concussions!!!! Oh hold on you cant ask Marcel can you? You dont know him!
    Still waiting DNA!!!!!!!!

  114. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    bluepitt —

    RE: Hitting hard

    I appreciate playing sandlot, and your body takes abuse out there, I am sure.

    But please don’t come here and say that a pickup game has hitting that is harder than an NFL game. I like Marcel, but I am guessing he was being nice. I’ve been down on the field many, many times for an NFL game. It doesn’t compare to any other football. The size and speed — which is what makes the power of the hit — is never replicated in a charity game.

  115. By Paul LaVoie on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Re-sign Campbell NOW Mr. Graves! The longer you wait, the more his price tag will rise. I’m thinking we really don’t want to lose him, so get the deal done.

  116. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    BTW every one!!!! You say symptoms of a concussion? One of the main symptoms is a headache!!! so what you are saying is every player is concussed during a game and after? because I don’t know one player that has ever played that was in the mix of things that didn’t have a headache after a game??? Ill bet Kolb had a headache (oh sorry concussion symptoms) all the way to the bank with his 3 play full game check!
    Still wating DNA!!!!!!

  117. By brad oneill on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    bluepitt- come on man!!! ha ha ha a shot to the back of the head is a shot to the head, but i am not convinced his bell wan’t wrung in the play before where he was driven to the turf. concussions tend to get worse with second and third hits and it wouldn’t surprise me if the damage was done earlier and the knee to the head just brought it to the surface.

    on levi brown- he is not the liability he once was, that is an improvement is he worth what we have paid him no, but should we run him out of town not necessarily. lets see how he comes around, for the money he is due next year we could do better, look at how great darren colledge has been. the cards org went out and found talent this offseason, we got unfortunate in a couple of injuries namely toler and little sweetness that hurt us deeply, and losing drc for kolb seems a bad move at the moment but i suspect kolb is going to do many great things with this team lets get him healthy and see what he can do.

  118. By dalecturnersr on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve been a cardinals fans all my life and have watched you all ponder what the cards should do next. well ponder this… what if the cards trade kolb for a possible first rnd. then trade for manning with those 2 first rounds picks that they would have. im a believer that manning has at least 2 more good years left and it would give skelton more time to develope.

  119. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Well Darren,

    I do appreciate your input as always, But I do know Marcel and he was dead serious, those Cops and Firemen hit the hardest I have ever felt they had no fear! We were tripping about it all the way to the restaurant.
    Ill let you know this, Many of those Sand lot Semi-Pro football players moved up to the NFL and made an instant impact! Would you like to know one? Bay State Titan Eric Swann!
    I’m sure You can appreciate a player like me 5′ 10″, running a 4.4 (in 94-99) 40 weighing in at 220lbs running in to a player Swans size full speed! The players in the Semi pro game are going just as fast Pound for Pound as the NFL players are! The game is faster in the NFL simply because the players respond faster to the play due to so much prep and time in the game (do you think AP will gane that much speed on his 40 over the next couple years? NO But he will learn to get their faster by reacting faster his speed will remain the same) the actual speed a player runs has no bearing on it! Got that info from a Bill Bilacheck clip! Oh let me guess he is wrong? Yes they grow em large in the NFL but you need to look at some of the 40 times and size of the players in a true Semi-Pro League, (Not the AZFL crap) Most went to the old NFL Europe and or the CFL Prior to the NFL…And most played at D1 schools in collage
    Funny how tons of Ex NFL players that have played semi-pro will tell you the hits are just as hard in most cases and are 4 real… but nah a man running full speed (4.4-4.6) 40 at 200+ pounds in the NFL is harder than a man running at full speed (4.4-4.6 40)…wow darren! Oh and Darren Swann had 4 sacks in his first year fresh out of the same Semi-Pro League I played in!!!! LOL

    BTW it takes on average of 80G’s to cause a concussion in a NFL helmet (Sports science) If you think that 9ers non padded knee can take 80G’s and not explode you are crazy!

  120. By Mike Ellingboe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


    What color is the sky in your world?

  121. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    No im not saying a Semi-Pro team can come in and even compete with a NFL team. Im simply saying the speed and size if a hit does not change reguardless where it is! 6’9″ is 6’9″ and 4.4 40 is 4.4 40 no matter where you are. If any thing the NFl is safer due to the way they hit, (more practice) as aposed to the way a Semi-Pro player hits..
    The same as it is in your world!

    Ones opinion is just that an opinion!! if it bugs you so much there must be some thing behind it!!!! lol
    On to the Browns game… Kolb for the best actor award!!! Emmy performance!!!!!!

  122. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bluepitt –

    RE: Kolb

    You’ve had your say on Kolb. Unless you are a doctor, move along.

  123. By AndyStandsUp on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Obviously, bluepitt has taken one too many shins to the back of the head.

    And I’d like to get into this “biceps” vs. “bicep” debate.
    I mean you ride a bicycle, not a bicycles, right?
    If you have two Whisenhunts, that’s a bikini, not bikinis, correct?
    Duo Denver QBs named Tim are biteable, not biteables, yes?
    And with making nonsensical comments like bluepitt and cardsalltheway is biasses, no?

  124. By Soares20 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @James and Eric

    Hey James don’t even try arguing with Eric is the greatest coach that this organization has ever known I wouldn’t argue with him, he talks with Whiz every night and goes through the Cardinals playbook and knows what every play is calling for on every down, he also knows that every single play comes from Whiz’s mind and that no one else is helping him call plays. and that is exactly why I agree with Eric that Whiz’s play calling is the worst in the NFL and he is the truest fan for not knowing anything about how play calling works in the NFL. That is exactly why Whiz’s job is in jeopardy not Jack Del Rios, Tony Sparano’s, or Todd Haley’s, jobs are not in jeopardy. (if you couldn’t tell that was all sarcasm)

    And hey Eric you were sooo happy that Horton was brought in? well guess what if Whiz was not here we wouldn’t have even looked twice at Horton so you can personally thank Whiz for that. And you like all of these new linebackers and how great pp21 is and how a 6th round draft is starting, and how good Skelton is finding him in the 5th round well again you can thank Whiz for that because without him I’m not sure how many of the players we love so much would have gone.

    Well at least James and I are true fans that look at the whole picture and support this team through the hard times because we understand what hard circumstances they had to start the season with and both understand that Whiz needs to stay, and obviously he is not going anywhere.

  125. By Soares20 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply



    Dude just quite while your behind no one is agreeing with you on this blog everyone is just laughing at you in case you want to read all the comments. Were YOU dropped on the head as a child? Once you’ve got to medical school for 8 years then get back to us instead of using your medical background of “I watch sport science” hahaha do you realize how dumb you sound??

  126. By Richard S. on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Sign Calais. Don’t let him get away. He has to be one of the players you want to keep.

  127. By bluepitt on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ brad oneill,
    that verry well may be…..But the knee couldnt have been it!!!

  128. By BIG RED on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    No, I take it back I don’t want Todd Haley and his beard. His the reason Anquan Boldin left in the first place.

  129. By Darren Urban on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Big Red –

    RE: Haley/Boldin

    Yeah … Uh, that couldn’t be from the truth.

  130. By bluepitt on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry Darren, You know how I like to get People all hyped up….lol
    On to the next feasco!!! But what if I were a Dr? HUMMMMM…lol

  131. By Brian on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Kevin Kolb has a family and the rest of his life to look forward to. Geez, who is he for thinking about the rest of his life and his family when he feels like he may have a concussion? Seriously, football isn’t everything in this world and even if he was the one to go to the coaches and try to get examined, props to him for being SMART! He doesn’t want to end up like the veterans I spoke about earlier who can’t live normal lives because of head injuries they suffered. That is the reason it’s such a big deal in the NFL today.

    Bluepitt, you are more than welcome to deal with those lingering effects if you want to but don’t bash others for wanting to make sure they have a normal life after playing something that is just a sport because that’s all it is.

  132. By Brad on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    For Graham Fans:

    Zastudil’s net average was 30.4 yards this Sunday with 1 inside the 20 from 7 punts, Graham netted 37.3 yards for the Lions on Sunday along with 2 inside the 20 from just 6 punts, miss his accuracy for punts inside the 20…

  133. By cards62 on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    First off I am very happy to see so many Cardinal Fans posting and interacting on this board.

    Can someone tell me on what television station I can watch Semi Pro Football as apparantly I have not been watching the best & hardest hitting football being played over the years. Mean Joe Green apparantly your not that mean, Purple People Eaters oh please you guys really never ate anyone, Jack Tatum & Ronnie Lott go sit down please so I can watch some real hits!

    Darren I am a fan of Levi Brown at guard but not tackle. I agree with you that Levi Brown will look around the league, but I am curious as to what you think he will find? How do you think GMs will rank him against other tackles? I am very open to being told that I am wrong, but when I watch him play I just do not see a $ 9 million dollar a year offensive tackle. I hate to see us let another 1st rounder leave our team, but I can not see paying him $9 million to play tackle.

    As always thank you for all your articles and for answering my questions.

    Go Cards beat the Browns.

  134. By Darren Urban on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    cards62 —

    RE: Levi worth

    I would tend to agree with you. I’m not sure how that will shake out, or if he can play guard.

  135. By bluepitt on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    “Bluepitt, you are more than welcome to deal with those lingering effects if you want to but don’t bash others for wanting to make sure they have a normal life after playing something that is just a sport because that’s all it is.”

    Just a sport? Then why does the NFL Pay players, have Pensions, Retirement plans, and so forth and so on?
    It is a Career Choice, Don’t ever get that mixed up with Sport! The game on sunday all 4hrs of it is the sport part of the career these players CHOSE.
    The M-F of it is the bulk of the career they…once again chose! It would be totally different if they didn’t get paid Millions for this career “choice” and it is a choice, made with the full awareness of the price to pay and the Glory to be had to be part of this career choice! You want to be bucked off a bull be a bull rider! But don’t complain that the bull stepped on your head!
    Sorrry Darren Im going to respond when posted to!

  136. By Darren Urban on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    bluepitt —

    RE: Response

    That’s fine.

    And you are right about the career choice.

    But you are wrong on the last part. Kolb isn’t complaining the bull stepped on his head. But he’s not going to ride the bull again until he’s OK. If a firefighter got burned fighting a fire bad enough to go to the hospital, you wouldn’t ask him to go back and fight a fire the next day. Not sure why a football player would be different in this case.

  137. By bluepitt on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Good Point..
    The out of body thing Kolb said kinda hit home… When I was hit by that nose guard I felt the same way, like dezavoo or how ever you spell it, the whole rest of the game… I do think it was the play prior I was watching last night and he looked woozy after that play…..And face first to the ground will do it!
    And I kind of just like to get people all rilled up!! Well you know that..

  138. By bluepitt on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    @ cards62,
    “Can someone tell me on what television station I can watch Semi Pro Football as apparantly I have not been watching the best & hardest hitting football being played over the years. Mean Joe Green apparantly your not that mean, Purple People Eaters oh please you guys really never ate anyone, Jack Tatum & Ronnie Lott go sit down please so I can watch some real hits!”

    Well you watched Greg Toller making real hits for the Cards Last year Didnt you? He played for the D.C. Explosion. Semi Pro Football Team!!!! (and was a 4th round pick)

    Glen Coffee, ex-49ers RB, has recently signed on to play semi-pro football in Florida.

    You can watch some games on:
    Dish chan. 47, Direct TV Chan. 44, Utah cable chan 6,–August-13?instance=home_stories6_tip

  139. By Jake on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    I’m curious why Whiz didn’t go for (2) after the Roberts’ TD. It would’ve put us up by (3), causing SF to need a TD to win. Can anyone explain why Whiz just took the extra point in this situation?

  140. By Darren Urban on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Jake —

    RE: Extra point

    Whiz explained it. Too early (and I agree).

  141. By Jake on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Ah–I see. Makes sense. I guess that explains why I’m not an NFL head coach. Thanks, Darren.

  142. By james b on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    kolb is the bigest disapiontment in arizona history he looked like jay cutler last year but here comes super john skelton captin save a hoe 4 1 as a starter this year kind reminds me of a young big ben dont look pretty but he wins

  143. By Eazy E on Dec 24, 2011 | Reply

    Finally a win against those niners! Kolb once again and I know he doesn’t control it, but got injured again. Skelton came in and did a pretty darn good job. 19-28, 282 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs, and a lost fumble. He had some good plays and some bad ones. It was tough grinding out rushing yards on that spectacular defense, but we did ok passing it. Larry had an incredible game with 7 catches, 149 yards, and a TD. He made some of the most beautiful catches you’ll ever see in a football game. He went up high against a very good safety in Goldson and mossed him and ran into the end zone. Early had some nice catches also including a huge 60 yard TD that got us back in the game really. Andre didn’t make much of an impact(what else is new lol!!!) but did get the screen pass that he took in the end zone off Larry’s great catch and run. Our O-Line is so inconsistent, now they did a decent job this game only giving up 2 sacks to a really exceptional defense, but the next week will look so bad and not necessarily a better d to boot! Our D-Line got after alex smith all day long, matter of fact our entire d from 1-11. Our whole starting D-Line(Calais,Darnell,and Eason) all had a sack. LBs such as Daryl continued his pro bowl caliber play with another sack and his 4th on the season. Patrick even got his first sack of his career. Our secondary as a whole locked up alot better in our house than at san fran. Our D looks so good these past 7 or 8 weeks. Great great win for us and the 49ers are sortive off our backs for a lil while. Next is cleveland and my boy Kerry returning. We Ready!!

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