Considering cap space

Posted by Darren Urban on March 8, 2012 – 8:24 am

One of the factors in the Great Peyton Manning Race Of 2012 is going to be his contract demands and what that means for each team. (He said he isn’t looking for a bunch of guarantees, but the market, and all the teams involved, is going to render that moot. He’s going to get guarantees, and they will be pretty big, I’d guess.) A lot of people want to know where the Cards stand with their cap space, but that’s not easily determined right now. Teams haven’t been told yet, with free agency — and the need to be compliant with the cap — beginning Tuesday, what the 2012 cap number will be. There have been guesses it will be a little north of $120 million, but it has yet to be set.

So when, for instance, John Clayton says the Cards only have $3.1 million in cap space, that’s an estimate for now. Then again, it’s clear there won’t be a ton of room. They will clear a lot when they do something with the $16.9M cap number of tackle Levi Brown (at this point, I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t force a chance to be on the open market). But there are other alternatives.

General manager Rod Graves said other restructures, beyond Brown, are possible. “Depending on where the cap falls, there may be a need for us to take a look at it at some point,” Graves said. “We’re not ruling it out.”

Whether that means guys like Larry Fitzgerald or someone like Stewart Bradley, for instance, is anyone’s guess. Keep in mind when a player of Fitz’s stature re-does his deal, all it is doing is pushing cap space into the future, and can become a future problem to buy time today. That’s what the Steelers have been going through and why they’ve had a big purge of late. It’s a juggling act.

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  1. By Chris B on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I heard (source unknown) that if they keep Kolb it’s a $10mil hit but if they cut him it’s still an $8mil cap hit. If they cut Kolb and sign Peyton, won’t they just be SOL 2 years (or less) from now? When Kurt retired, that’s exactly what happened. And cutting Kolb doesn’t clear a lot of cap space anyway. Is this just a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” scenario?

    All this is based on the assumption he’s healthy.

  2. By carlo italy 7000 on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    could u put a list of arizona big contracts,thank u

  3. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: Big contracts

    You can see examples here:

  4. By Jesse Robles on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Well, they need to get it done no matter what, this is the situation you are put in when you reach for players instead of waiting for the right one to come along. STOP OVERPAYING UNPROVEN PLAYERS!!

  5. By ben on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    good luck Mr. Graves do whats best for our team. GO CARDINALS

  6. By Kofari on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Cut Stewart Bradley cut Todd Heap Cut Levi Brown Cut Joey Porter Cut Clark Haggans And Cut Kevin Or Restructure His Contract And Also Restruture Larry Fitzgerald Contract Or Take A Pay Cut And Cards If Stop Paying Non Elite Players To Much Money We Will Pick Up Elite Player In Free Agency

  7. By RB on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Darren — Please confirm the info below concerning incentives and the cap.

    Also I found this in regards to explaining incentives which are categorized as “Likely to be Earned” and Not Likely to be Earned” with the latter not counting AT ALL against the cap. If you read this site, it states the incentive category is based on whether the player achieved the performance trigger in the year before — of course this is key since Manning didn’t have one positive statistic this past season so does that mean an incentive given to throw even 1 TD pass would be considered a “not likely to be achieved” incentive and not count AT ALL against the cap ???[/

    What do LTBE and NLTBE stand for?
    A: LTBE stands for Likely To Be Earned. NLTBE stands for Not Likely To Be Earned. These phrases are in reference to incentives, and how these incentives count towards the cap. An incentive is considered LTBE if the specified performance was achieved the previous year. This goes for an individual or a team incentive. Therefore, if the performance was not achieved the previous year, the incentive is considered NLTBE. All LTBE incentives are counted against the cap, while all NLTBE incentives are not counted against the cap

  8. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    RB —

    RE: LTBEs and NLTBEs

    My understanding is that the new CBA has taken those incentives out of the equation for contracts, making things cleaner to create contracts. I think the league wanted to eliminate that loophole.

  9. By Dynosoar on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve been a Volunteer fan since the 80’s and a Cardinal fan since the 70’s. Having Peyton Manning follow Kurt Warner’s example wearing Cardinal red would be a dream come true. (Although my wife will be a little put out when I purchase two more jerseys, a Manning jersey for each team.)

  10. By AZbelgium on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks darren for this Blog, helped all of uss i think. For the rest let’s just wait a week and we’ll be A LOT wiser in a few days as i don’t think it will take untill the FA to get a decision.

    At the moment it’s Cards vs Phins, let’s hope we get him and can get either Garcon or wayne with him. then we could work on our OL and some of the other spots in the draft. I really think that Manning wont make it difficult from Cap space etc, knowing his relations with whiz etc.

    The only thin that comes to my mind is Archie… he’ll be against the thought of his sons playing a conference championship and not in a SB against eachother.
    That’s the only thing that would Manning hesitate to join NFC rather then go AFC. For the rest Cards are defenitly front runners for many obvious reasons.

    Wish we’d reach SB without him, but with him and imagining this:
    Manning -> throws deep -> to Fitzgerald …. TOUCH DOWN!!!

  11. By Dynosoar on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    The studies of fencing athletes (with swords, not chain link) demonstrate the secret to winning is estimated at 42% mental, 32% technical skills and 26% physical.

    All things physically being equal, the greater mind will win. All NFL quarterbacks are roughly equal physically.

    The great QB’s have superior technical skills like; quick release, reading progressions, threading the needle, soft touch (DA, please read) etc.

    The elite QB’s have superior mental skills like; reading defenses, changing plays at line of scrimmage, leadership to change the plays, understanding the tape they study each week, etc.

    Like Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning has the mental qualities of an elite QB and even at 80% physical ability, his mental and technical superiority still put him equal to your great NFL QB’s. Here’s a rough estimate of NFL quarterback comparisons.

    Peyton at 80%: 42% + 32% + 20% = 94%.
    Great QB’s: 36% + 32% + 26% = 94%
    NFL QB’s: 36% + 28% + 26% = 90%
    (Oh, I can’t forget the Tim Tebow fans, 42% + 32% + 26% + Divine intervention = Denver’s salvation)

    From a post yesterday,

    “Peyton to Fitzgerald. Touchdown! Cardinals win Superbowl!!!”

    Peyton, please become a Cardinal. Cardinal front office, please keep Kevin Kolb and John Skelton and allow both learn behind Peyton Manning.

  12. By RelayTV on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    If Fitz is willing to redo his contract to help get Manning (like he offered to do for Boldin) then Peyton should put the Cardinals at the top of his list (If they aren’t already.)

    Would Brandon Marshall even consider such a thing?


  13. By Nicholas on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply


    Wouldn’t big signing bonuses & lower salaries help the cap space if it were necessary to make space???

  14. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Nicholas —

    RE: Bonuses and salaries

    They help, yes. But you need long contracts. If Manning signs, say, a three-year deal, it’s harder to hide the cap hits.

  15. By D on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Stephen Williams better start making up his wish list for his number.

  16. By Erik M on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    – Darren

    Should Cards should let Levi Brown go so they can free up a lot of cap space. With that being said they can get Jonathan Martin in the draft and a decent LT in Free Agency just in case one struggles. With that much cap space they should be able to pick up Manning- Wayne Package right?

  17. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Erik M —

    RE: Making it work

    If the Cards really want to sign Manning, and he wants to come here, they will find a way to make it work.

  18. By WVcardFan on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, form what Ive seen of the Fitz deal, the numbers seem to be a bit unbalanced, with some balloon bonuses this year and again in 2015 (I believe.) So yeah, while normally restructuring is just borrowing from the present to pay back in the future, couldn’t restructuring Fitz actually be easier since there are a lot of lean cap number years where his hit is only like $5M?

  19. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    WVcard —

    RE: Fitz

    But you have to be able to give him more money now — guarantees, basically, because he gets it now — when the original deal might have been set up to protect the team from a player on the decline. These are all balances that need to be considered.

  20. By D on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t miss out on K Wimbley being cut soon AZ!!!!!!

  21. By D ryans on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I have a feeling this Peyton situation will end up mirroring the Joe Montana to K.C. situation. Nothing but tarnish on a great career. Elway did it right by himself and the fans by retiring a Bronco on top. Prove me wrong Peyton and let AZ revive your career, this is your only shot at going out on top. im with DD90 this is our year!

  22. By Mike on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Isn’t it possible that the Cards can create additional cap space this year by carrying over unused cap space from last year. I don’t recall how much space we had left or if there is a maximum that can be carried forward, but it is supposed to be as simple as submitting a letter stating that the team wishes to do so.

    I’ve never been much of a Peyton fan, but then again, I never liked Kurt until he came here. I just might learn to love Peyton too.

  23. By CardiacCards on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren if I’m not mistaken I remember Whiz saying in a press conference that ” if Manning or Brady come available that they would go after them”. Do you recall this?

  24. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Cardiac —

    RE: Whiz comment

    I don’t, but I could see it being said. However, I’d guess the context had little to do with the current situation.

  25. By Brandon on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Darren: IF peyton came to Arizona and Reggie Wayne wanted to follow him here do you think Arizona would sign him?

  26. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Brandon —

    RE: Wayne

    I don’t think they’d say no, but I’m sure it would make a difference how much he wants.

  27. By Chris on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Any buzzzz about #18 over at the facility today?

  28. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Chris —

    RE: BUzz

    Since I am in Texas at some league meetings, I wouldn’t know.

  29. By Cucu on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren. As usual, excellent job with the blog. One question: If cap space allows it, do you think the Cards would pursue Mario Williams to kill the passrushing need?

  30. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Cucu —

    RE: Mario Williams

    No. Not going to fit money-wise. Any possible money for that would be earmarked for a Campbell extension.

  31. By cardsalltheway on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Two teams are in the running to acquire P. Manning according to some. The Dolphins(Joe Philbin & Brandon Marshall) and the Cardinals(Ken Whisenhunt & Larry Fitzgerald). Let’s say I’m wrong about what I’ve said previously and assume that Ken W. really does want P.M. If we get beat out by the 6-10 Dolphins and their NEW new head coach, that’s all telling about who we have as a head coach. It’s kind of like how NEW coaches did better than Ken W. with the shortened lock-out season last year.

  32. By Bryth on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    Was the cap lowered by the new bargaining agreement last year? And if so, do you think players will be willing to take less money now so a situation like the Steelers are going through doesnt happen? If I understand correctly the agents get the big contracts for the players so would they have to adjust the way they do business to make players fit under the cap?

  33. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Bryth —

    RE: Cap measurement

    The cap was indeed readjusted — that’s the biggest reason the lockout happened in the first place, because the owners wanted to lower the percentage of the money the players got — and that’s why it will stay close to flat from last year or just a tad higher. As for what the players will do, well, the market will sort it out as usual. The big names will get their money. It’s the other guys that will suffer.

  34. By Johnny on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply


    I just heard that Michael Bidwell was in Florida to make an offer to peyton Manning. Can you Verify this? I say get him at any cost, it will be a bargain.

  35. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Johnny —

    RE: Bidwill fly

    First of all, it’s Bidwill. Second of all, I don’t know. Where did you hear that?

  36. By AndyStandsUp on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Fitzgerald and Adrian Wilson have already restructured their contracts in prior years, Darnell Dockett has not.
    7.1 mil cap hit this season and he’s voiced his opinion on Manning coming here.
    Sounds like a prime candidate on where to start renegotiating.

    But don’t forget there other FAs available other than Peyton; ones that have a more realistic chance of playing in AZ.

  37. By Peter in Canada on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Cardsalltheway –
    Whiz would be insane not to want PM and while not knowing him personally, I seriously doubt that he is insane. I too heard Billick on NFL network and his opinion doesn’t ring true in that Whiz tailored his offence to suit Warner’s skills so why wouldn’t he do the same with PM.

  38. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply


    “this is the situation you are put in when you reach for players instead of waiting for the right one to come along.”

    How was anyone to know at this time last summer that Peyton Manning would be available? How happy would the fanbase have been if Fitz was deciding to test the market right now because we didn’t bring in a QB? What if Manning goes ahead and signs with Miami?

    Seems as though our front office can’t win for losing. They don’t go out and sign every big name under the sun and we label them as cheap, and when they do have an active off-season we complain about that as well.

  39. By AndyStandsUp on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Is the team capologist allowed to talk to the media, including the team reporter?
    Or is better competively, to have people guessing which avenues will/won’t be pursued? (I mean cap hits/salaries are posted on plenty of sites, but how accurate are they?)

  40. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    AndyStands —

    RE: Cap numbers

    Usually, cap information is coming from the player/agent side. I don’t know of teams that speak on the record about cap space, except in general terms.

  41. By Buck on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    cardsalltheway If the sun does not rise tomorrow morning it is Ken W’s fault. Right?

  42. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply


    “If we get beat out by the 6-10 Dolphins and their NEW new head coach, that’s all telling about who we have as a head coach”

    The shallowness of your thought process never ceases to amaze me. Did it ever cross your mind that just maybe Manning is considering something else besides the head coach and #1 receiver? By your logic should we be faulting Fitz if he doesn’t come here as well?

    It’s just as possible he’ll take into consideration the city, AFC/NFC, salary cap, team history, the other 51 players you left out, GM & Owner, the rest of the coaching staff, etc., etc., etc., before making up his mind about where he’ll finish his career.

  43. By Andre on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    C’mon Darren…you got to be on top of this stuff.

    I heard on Channel 3 that Peyton is scheduled to come to Arizona Friday. I don’t know if this is true but I’ve heard that Jude LaCava reported that Bidwill has landed in Miami on the evening news today. I’m guessing they are personally going to give him a ride to Arizona for Friday. Could you verify this Darren?

  44. By Darren Urban on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Andre —

    RE: Manning

    I cannot. They could be giving him a ride. They could be visiting him there. I don’t think there’s any question the Cards were going to make a play for Manning at this point.

  45. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply


    “But don’t forget there other FAs available other than Peyton; ones that have a more realistic chance of playing in AZ”

    Thank you! I get that everyone is pumped about the possibility of having Manning here – if he’s healthy who wouldn’t be? But if not that money could still be used to sign Wimbley and Meachem. Not a bad consolation prize.

  46. By georgiebird on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    This FA /Draft period boils down to a litmus test for Whiz and Graves. If personnel moves over the next few of weeks result in an NFC West title, then Whiz and Graves can begin to reverse a couple of years of bad player evaluation. But if the moves result in more mediocre play, then Whiz and Graves will continue to lose more of the fan base.

  47. By Scott H on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Ya know…a good / great Peyton Manning behind a bad offensive line may not be what everyone is expecting. With what his health issues have been and all the spinal fusion surgeries he has recently had, putting him behind a bad o-line could be a disaster. Is it realistic to think that we could land Manning AND significantly up-grade the o-line all in one off-season?

  48. By Jesse Robles on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe:
    No one did, but sounds like you would probably pay Matt Flynn a bunch of guaranteed money because he and Matt Stafford were just playing catch out there one game. I personally would’ve rolled with Skelton and got some one cheaper. When you reach you get get burned, just like Levi Brown. They learned their lesson in the Draft that year they skipped on Adrian Peterson, I think they learned their lesson in Free Agency last year with Kolb. Opinions are opinions. But I do know that you cannot win all the time, but you just need to man up, bite the bullet, and move on.

  49. By Mark G. on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I still think Peyton will end up in the AFC: Miami or Denver. I haven’t heard anything about any visits with the Cards. I think it would be a significant upgrade, and that’s nothing against Kevin Kolb. When you have a chance at getting Peyton Manning, I don’t think anyone would argue against it really. Go Cards.

  50. By cardsalltheway on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe,
    “the other 51 players you left out, GM & Owner, the rest of the coaching staff”
    So you believe their 51 others etc… are better than ours? OMG, The shallowness of your thought process never ceases to amaze me.” Ken W. doesn’t need you to help with excuses.

  51. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply


    Your interpretation of my thoughts on Matt Flynn are incorrect, but by rolling with Skelton I think we can likely say that Fitz wouldn’t have been so quick to sign his contract extension. So back to my original question, where would our franchise be right now if he was the other big name free agent on the block? Your point about Kolb is taken (although in my opinion, premature), but what choice did they realistically have? Would you have continued your support for Skelton if he came out the gate 1-6? No reason to believe, with the statistical dead heat he and Kolb finished at, that he wouldn’t have.

  52. By Johnny on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I heard it from Jude Lacava via 10 news.

  53. By On behalf of Skelton! on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Kolb has got to go! 2 Million saved is 2 Million saved! That’s 2 Million to lure James Laurinaitis away from St. Louis with..,in other words!
    -Once A Rams Fan(Remember DB A. Williams from AZ to St. Lou?..,well, now it’s the other way around)-
    A healthy Greg Toler was leading team in tackles before his misfortune, while James Laurinaitis led his team in tackles at final gun! (Food for thought ya’ll!)
    John Skelton is so very under-rated that it saddens me!
    To all you folks whom read this..,let it marinate in the brain housing group..,you couldn’t possibly want that Lombardi Trophy any less than me..,right??????
    (No mention of Manning due to my not count’in chickens before they hatch..,health-wise!)

  54. By Lawrence Miller on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    All I know is what I read–usually from you–but don’t the league’s television contracts allow for a significant jump in the cap level beginning in 2014? If so, doesn’t that ease the future pain of adjusting contracts? Thanks.

  55. By Darren Urban on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Lawrence –

    RE: cap jump in 2014

    A very good point actually.

  56. By Brian on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    cardsalltheway –

    You are a joke. Can’t think of a better defense to someone putting you in your place than by completely misinterpreting their statement and trying to make fun of them makes you look like a 2 year old. Come back when Whiz is fired and post all you want telling us “I told you so”. That should get rid of you for a long time because I don’t see him going anywhere anytime soon! If his “excuses” were such a problem, I don’t think every player in that locker room would have his back, which I’m pretty sure they all do. If he was such a bad coach and the players didn’t trust him, then explain the turnaround from 1-6 to 8-8? Other coaches would have been fired or finshed w/ a top 5 draft pick.

    In Whiz WE trust, alltheway!!

  57. By D on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Cap number should be released by the NFL today. Even if the Cards do not get PM, they have 3 big holes to fill, LT, RT and OLB.

    LT options: L. Brown, J. Gaither, D. Bell or T. Essex
    RT options: J. Martin (draft), A. Collins, L. Brown
    OLB options; M. Ingram and C. Upshaw (both draft), K. Wimbely (will be cut)
    C. Haagans or status quo with current players.
    Fourth hole would be 2 WR, but i think they can pick up a Harry Douglas and be just fine…

  58. By Scott H on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Kofari –

    I hear ya – and I agree about several of the players you listed – but it just ain’t that simple, dude. As Darren educated us about recently, cutting / releasing a player does not mean that his entire salary number just rolls right back into their account. The salary cap in the NFL is way more complicated than that. So, when you think about cutting a guy and weigh what he can still offer you on the field against what might actually be a very slight gain in cap space…maybe it really doesn’t make much sense to go that way. Just sayin.

  59. By Jesse Robles on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe
    We would obviouosly be in the same spot as we are now because Skelton and the Cardinals minus Kolb put them where they are at. Your OPINION on Fitz not signing here is not taken because you are not him or his thoughts. You sound like you and he both contimplated where YOU 2 were going to go. Kolb has had how many years in the league and he has yet to prove he can stay healthy and play consistent. Sorry dude, never pay Unproven players like Kolb.

  60. By Jeff Gollin on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Darren – Any guestimate of what Levi’s “replacement value” might be?

    i.e. If a $16+ million cap hit is too rich for our blood and we cut Levi, this doesn’t necessarily mean that 100%of these dollars would be available to sign Manning (& possibly Wayne). We’d still need a proven LT to fill Levi’s vacant spot. What would that be likely to cost us cap-wise this year?

  61. By Darren Urban on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Jeff –

    RE: Levi value

    That’s a hard question. I can see him still rating $3M to $5M a year, depending on if he plays le or right. But if hits the market, that could easily be driven higher.

  62. By Jay on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    First, I want Manning as a Cardinal as much as anybody. But… He is just one player, it is not like they will just hand over the Lombardi Trophy in he signs here. Remember as great as he is, he only won one Super Bowl in Indy. They had some pretty good teams out there to.
    Don’t forget, nobody knows for sure how healthy he is, hate to guarantee a lot of $$ and have him sit 8 games. (Sound familiar) Even if he is perfectly healthy Manning may play 4 more years and that’s it.
    All I’m saying is don’t judge this whole off season on one player. Be ready to move on without Manning.
    Honestly, if Manning were not available we all would have been happy to sign Calais Campbell to a long term deal, get some upgrades at O-Line, and a steady #2 receiver.

  63. By Barry Bond on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Forget Manning guys, it will not work and could of been great to have Peyton but Miami owner is NOT going to let Arizona be in the race! Owner Stephen Ross has told the Dolphin GM to get “Manning and I want a full court press” when translated that means they will break the BANK for the services of Peyton Manning? Time for the Cardinals to CUT Levi Brown (he can’t protect a quarterback’s back anyway) and CUT the OLD guys, Porter, Haggans, Heap, etc. and start over. As for Kevin Kolb give him the first 8 games, if he goes 4-4 or better keep him, if he has a losing record again send him back to Philadelphia and coach Andy Reid!!!

  64. By smack28 on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    First, I called this months ago right here on the AZCardinal website when it was inappropriate to even discuss this possibilty of Manning coming to AZ. Second, I also stated several months ago that neither QB in AZ would be the starter in 2012. I think we should go all in here. I know there are unknowns with Manning’s health. Remember, Warner was done according to a ton of speculators with his inability to hold a football and look what happened with him. Also, would you agree there are questions regarding Kolb’s health too?

    Manning is a true stud, and his positive impact on a team and community will create a huge amount of revenue and attention. The buzz surrounding this will be something the Cardinals have never experienced before. The Cardinals will become prime time and in the spotlight. FAs will want to come to AZ to play with one of the best QBs of all time. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for this organization to reach the pinnacle that has eluded them for years. Remember, their was not much interest in Warner when he was a FA. his success put this team on the map. Of course, everyone is watching the Manning story unfold, and this will change everyone’s opinion of how this organization looks at winning.

    Do what it takes Rod Grave and Michael Bidwell. Bet the farm on this. I know this will be the greatest move this organization has ever made. Then, take a deep breath, refocus and make sure to fix the offensive line and give Manning adequate protection on his blindside – sign Gaither as the LT, redo Brown’s contract and move him to RT. Pick DiCastro in the draft to play RG and let’s roll to the Superbowl!!!

  65. By cardsalltheway on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    “If he was such a bad coach and the players didn’t trust him, then explain the turnaround from 1-6 to 8-8?”
    One word, and it makes sense if you think about it and haven’t got a short memory or let the P. Manning picture cloud what went down in NO Saint land and is now known throughout the NFL. I’ll recap, Cards get new DC, starts off with win, then the losses begin, loss, loss, loss, losses pile up and confidence erodes, loss, loss, loss, team/players meeting: BOUNTY!

  66. By Jay on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Cardsalltheway… You think the Cards started offering a bounty and that is why the defense improved? I think it was a few more weeks with a new defensive coach and time to learn the whole playbook.
    Also, I don’t see Docket, Wilson, Campbell, or any of the other defensive players taking snaps off or not trying. Which is exactly what you are implying if extra money in their pocket turned the whole defense around.

  67. By Andy K on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    This team should resign CB Greg Toler, CB Richard Marshall, QBRichard Bartel, RB LaRod Stephens-Howling, and T Levi Brown.

    Cut/Release RB Chestor Taylor, T Brandon Keith, G Floyd Womack, T D’Anthony Batiste, DE Vonnie Holiday(will definitley have a great impact on a different team and near the end of his career),

    Reduce contract of Stewart Bradley but still keep him. Try to resign Mike Leach to a cheap contract or release him.

  68. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Andy K –

    RE: cuts

    Every single guy you say to cut already has an expiring contract.

  69. By Andy K on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren
    Has Richard Bartel decided if he wants to stay with the team or not?

  70. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Andy K –

    RE: Bartel

    He was tendered an offer. I expect him back.

  71. By Clint T on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    I read that if Kolb is cut that 6mil of the 8mil can be pushed to next year, is that true? And do you know if the Cards have cap space from last season that they can and are moving to this years

  72. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Clint T –

    RE: cap move

    I do not believe that can be the case.

  73. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply


    “Your OPINION on Fitz not signing here is not taken because you are not him or his thoughts. You sound like you and he both contimplated where YOU 2 were going to go.”

    No, I was just paying attention to what those close to the situation (Kent Somers, Kurt Warner, Adam Schefter, Fitzgerald himself) were saying when his contract extension was in question:

    Probably not a complete coincidence that he signed the extension after Kolb was acquired. Thought you followed the team a little closer than what you’re indicating.

  74. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply


    “completely misinterpreting their statement”

    I should know by now that his responses never make an ounce of sense. His answer to your post was equally as brilliant.

  75. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Clint T & Darren,

    Here is what I think Clint is referring to, which does state we do have another way of deferring Kolb’s cap number. Of course, who knows if that would create more questions than answers down the road.

  76. By Darren Urban on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe —

    RE: Kolb

    If they get PM, at least soon, I would not expect Kolb to stay.

  77. By Eazy E on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Move it around baby! Get it done!

  78. By Jesse Robles on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe
    Cool, you posted a page that said he “could” test the market…your arguments are going no where bandwagon. Stop drinking all the Koolaid that you read.

  79. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply


    A page? There were two links, both that discussed the importance of getting better QB’s in here if we wanted to keep Fitzgerald from possibly testing the market, from the viewpoints of those with direct knowledge of it. Not to mention the QB choices of Fitz himself.

    “Stop drinking all the Koolaid that you read”

    Always refreshing to know there are fans out there who know more than the team/league journalists and current and former players.

  80. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply


    I wouldn’t either (can’t see the wisdom of demoting either him or Skelton to third string), but if for some unknown reason we did it’s apparently possible to defer six of the eight million to 2013.

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