Hadnot, Stuckey released

Posted by Darren Urban on March 19, 2012 – 9:35 am

Eventually, the cap situation for the Cardinals was going to force further roster moves, and while they had been out there over the weekend, the team officially announced the cuts of guard Rex Hadnot and wide receive Chansi Stuckey Monday.

Hadnot started all of 2011 but the team had been looking to upgrade and when they signed Adam Snyder it gave the Cards the room to make a move. Stuckey never seemed to find traction for playing time after his costly fumble in Washington ended the Cards’ chances on a late drive.

And in the end, the Cards also need to clear salary cap space where they can. UPDATE: By my calculations, Cards saved about $3 million in cap space with the moves.

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66 Responses to “Hadnot, Stuckey released”

  1. By in fitz we trust on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    darren, with the two cuts,do we have enough cap room now to sign both dbs???

  2. By D on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think they will either sign one of the DB’s in today…which still leaves holes at Left tackle, OLB and WR to fill either by free agency or draft….with Russ Grimm’s track record, I see them signing a tackle in free agency and getting the other two in the draft since it appears we are tight under the cap and still need to sign kicker, punter and depth guys like Holiday…

  3. By greg on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    darren question i posted before

    sign bell you get experience and relatively young and we have a decent line. try to trade down and pick up a 2nd round pick. with the first pick choose a reciever. 2nd round OT depth and insurance. 3rd and 4th depth maybe another pass rusher or corner. this seems to make a lot of sence to me.

  4. By Jason H on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply


    Do you see the Cards bringing in a vet WR as the #3 or waiting for the draft?

  5. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Jason –

    RE: WR

    I think both are still possible.

  6. By NJAzCardsFan on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Darren- What is happening with FA’s Doucet, Lutui etc.

  7. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    NJAz –

    RE: Doucet, Lutui

    Nothing yet.

  8. By Alan on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    C’mon LEE EVANS!!!!!

  9. By mike on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    very dissapointing free agency!!

  10. By SteveG on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone else give a big “phew” when Payton decided to take his talents to Denver vs.San Fran?

  11. By D on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Definition of Karma= If A. Smith signs with MIA

  12. By D-Dubya on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply


    Okay, I know that Stuckey didn’t really contribute alot in his single season with us but we already have a glaring need at WR why get rid of him completely instead of re-negotiating his deal? Cutting Hadnot should not have been an option right now seeing as we still need quality depth. Personally I would think they would get their butts in gear and sign Campbell to a long term deal to free up a little space. Hadnot can play all 3 interior positions. Are we going to re-sign Deuce to hold onto depth? I guess I just don’t understand what they front office is thinking on these moves. I understand they picked up Snyder even though they passed on a more established starter in Scott. But Cutting the bulk of your quality depth? I just don’t get it

  13. By Javi on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    hey darren, do you believe that demetrius bell is still on the cards radar……or do you expect the cards to forget him and draft jonathan martin in the draft instead?

  14. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Javi –

    RE: Bell

    I would think he’s still on the radar.

  15. By rojobird on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    While we sit and wait around for a 2 for 1 special… 9ers are taking in some good quality players… WE need a #2 WR pronto like yesterday… Darren any real news on that are we pursuing anyone (WR)…. Its fustrating to see how this FA is going so far 🙁 Anyways hope the front office has a real plan and comes through… LOVE MY CARDS!!!!

  16. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    rojo —

    RE: Real news

    Nope. I provide only fake news.

  17. By D-Dubya on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply


    Is Anthony Collins a possibility?

  18. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    D-Dubya —

    RE: Collins

    Have not heard the name.

  19. By Marcelo on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    that may be sound too much ridiculous, but is there any chance of cards being agressive and negotiating draft position in order to get a WR? (Blackmon).

  20. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Marcelo —

    RE: WR trade

    If you are asking if they are going to trade up, I highly doubt it.

  21. By Eazy E on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Damn we in bad azz shape. Not much cap room yet and needs at WR,LT,OLB, and CB.

  22. By YmmyYames on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Tough to know who they’ve reached out to without being in the room with the front office when free agency started. This whole feeling of despair based on the perceived inaction needs to be relaxed. Cardinals front office is trying to fill the holes they see at prices they can afford. They have limited cap space and want to get better. Remember there are 31 other teams in the league that are all calling on the same free agents. And remember that no team that wins the free agent bidding war goes on to win the Super Bowl. As a fan base, we can be upset about the Manning deal going to the Rocky Mountains, but besides that…with so many roster changes happening last year, what do you expect? ANOTHER complete overhaul of the roster? Give this a little bit of time. They have the 3 starters set for the interior line. Better than last year’s. Brown improved enough to consider him an RT. And if Martin or Reiff falls in the draft, they are likely to go for one of them to start at the other tackle spot. Kolb and Skelton will compete and Kolb will actually have time to practice and learn the offense in the offseason. It really isn’t as bad as people want to believe. We’re better off than Miami. That’s good news. Great job, Darren. Thanks for keeping us up to date and levelheaded.

  23. By Bryan on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Darren are the cardinals going to try to go after kamerion wimbley to address the pass rush or are they comfortable with acho and schofield?

  24. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Bryan —

    RE: Wimbley

    Have not heard anything of late. I’m sure they’d like to punch up the pass rush but not sure if they have enough cap space to chase someone like Wimbley, or even if they have interest in the first place.

  25. By Scott H on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Stuckey released? Really? Can someone please tell me how / why he was even still on the roster???

    What did we save by releasing him…enough to order a couple of pizzas??? IF we lay off the toppings, that is…because if we paid any more than that for him, then I really don’t need to waste any more time wondering why we do things the way we do.

    Hey, does this mean we are signing Chaz Shilenz? Because if we are looking for a WR to give us exactly what Stuckey did, he is PERFECT.

    I won’t say that the Cardinals are doing a better job then the Dolphins in FA so far. That wouild be mis-leading. I WILL, however, say that the Dolphins are probably the only team doing a WORSE job than the Cardinals in FA so far.

    Heard someone on a previous blog suggest that if we look at what the 49ers are doing so far, it’s really not that significant. OK. To this individual, I would point out that the 49ers were already significantly better than the Cardinals on the day FA began. Is there really any arguement there??? No. Therefore, even if they have imrpoved only a little bit and the Cardinals have done squat, then do the math. That only puts the best team in the division further ahead of us. THAT IS THE POINT!!! Don’t ask me to look at what the 49ers are doing. I’m aware of what the 49ers are doing only because they are doing SOMETHING. Perhaps if the Cardinals were doing ANYTHING, I could be distracted by that. Our focus should be on what OUR TEAM is doing. And that ain’t much, unfortunately. THAT IS THE POINT.

  26. By Soares20 on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think everyone can agree here that the Cards need to quite fooling around and sign Bell and Sign Campbell to a long term deal then worry about all of the little holes we need to fill. C’mon Cards go take take of business!!!

  27. By Corgon on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not really concerning about the pass rush. In Horton’s system, you don’t have to be an elite player to be a usefull, perfect part of this defense. I read somewhere that the Cards have laughable few sacks, but thats not true. Noone has too many, but the whole D was much better than ok. So i think we have time with the pass rush ’till the 3rd round.
    But since we don’t have a 2nd round pick I think the Cards has to arrange the WR or the LT spot before the draft. IMHO our best shot at the moment is Bell and Michael Floyd.

  28. By roberto on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply


    what you hearing for a #2 reciever? why not look at plax? and why not maybe tracy poter at cb? think those 2 guys make team some sence. and flecher at LB. great leader on and off the field

  29. By cobra on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply


    I Never ask for a response, so give me this one.

    Acho’s brother in the draft. His combine was not great, dealing with injuries, yet If he is anything like his bro, he would fit into Hortons defense. Intelligent, willing to learn, and heart.

    There are times when, being the fast LB on the field or most athletic doesn’t matter unless you can read the play and know what your role is. (except DW).

    He played in a 3-4 in his first 3 yrs. @ Texas, then a 4-3 his Senior yr. He is already projected go in later rounds. I think he would be someone the cards may already looking at.

    Actually, Darren you already know this. I think you did something on him about a month ago. I just did a bit more research on him.

  30. By georgiebird on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    In watching the Giants in the playoffs against the Packers, 9ers and Pats, it was evident that Eli was getting pounded game after game-but Eli showed he could take a hit. I hope the Cards don’t go overboard trying to put together an OL in FA and the draft. Rather than trying to protect Kolb- how about this game plan- ‘If KK can’t take a hit then he shouldn’t be in the NFL’.
    First the DA mess then the horrible KK trade and option pickup. Before Whiz goes to bed each night he should get on his knees and thank the Lord he is working for the Bidwills- St. William and St. Michael.

  31. By rdixon50 on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply


    Where are our cap $ locked up – which players and how much? Why are Denver and SF so far under the cap? Are we considering restructuring to give us some flexibility?

  32. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    rdixon50 —

    RE: Cap numbers

    I may post on the blog about this, but I addressed it some here: (obviously, Brown’s number is no longer an issue):

    I have no idea about the Broncos and Niners. I don’t cover them and haven’t studied their cap situation.

  33. By AndyStandsUp on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Please settle this Darren, a lot of sites still have Floyd Womack on the roster; I say no.
    And if Hadnot and Lutui are gone, does this mean roster spots for Batiste and Dj Young? I know the Cards were high on them, but figuretively, that’s what I’m worried about.

  34. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    AndyStands —

    RE: Womack

    Womack is a free agent. As for roster spots, we are a long, long way from those. Will they be here for camp? Yes. Beyond that? Way too early to know.

  35. By Canadian Red Bird on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Re: Restructuring Existing Contracts

    Darren has there been any discussion about restructuring some of the existing contracts which could eventually free up some space to fill some needy holes in our line up. It seems as though this practice has become quite common with other teams ( ie. Detroit, ) yet to my recollection has only once been contemplated for the cards when Fitz offered up some of his contract in order to keep either Warner or Bolden.

  36. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Canadian –

    RE: restructures

    I haven’t heard. That doesn’t mean they haven’t.

  37. By cobra on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    I still wish georgie and george birds would fly back to wherever they came from. The second coming of: Debbie Downer from SNL I have an EX, and really tired of your whining, and alot of others. If you are MEN, or WOMEN, suck it up. Pay attention to what we have to spend, and what we actually need in FA or DRAFT, and what is in budget.

    P.S.- To all Women who post their comments, they are always great to hear. Maybe you Ladies can help Georgie out with his problems

    Yeah Darren,

    I know you won’t post this, just wanted you to know, I feel your pain for all of the dumb questions you have to answer, and the negativity. If they really feel that bad, they should, maybe, talk to their wife or husband, watch a movie, play with their children, do something else. Take a couple of days before you start trying to corrupt the WHOLE CARDINALS WORLD.

  38. By AndyStandsUp on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think I’m not wording my questions correctly tonight, Darren.
    IYO, are Batiste and Young going to be plausible starters much like Keith was last year?
    And has 2012 salaries and cap hits listed, but how accurate do you think sites like these are?

  39. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    AndyStands –

    RE: OL starters

    No, I do not see them as starters. As for spotrac, I’ve seen enough errors to make me concerned.

  40. By drummer-1 on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    I’m going to enjoy reading.. Scott H and Georgiebird saying they will eat crow..

  41. By Stewart Badley on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    People do math….Where is the cap room to sign enyboddy? ….the cardinals don’t have it….when 30% of the cap room go to 2 players (Larry Fitzgerald and the back up QB Kevin Kolb). It is time to play the young guys that can replace the OLD AND EXPENSIVE PLAYERS. We need a srong safety with cover skills, time to trade Adrian Wilson or Kerry Rhoads, the cardinals defense played better when Kerry Rhoads and Joe Porter where injured. Time to trust the young guys y play them. GO CARDS

  42. By rojobird on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Darren my apologies… thank you for your input I know that if you knew more you would share with us but its fustrating to see that we are hardly doing anything in FA…. Please keep the info coming even if its news of us loosing more players….

  43. By John the Draft Guy on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s bring this all back to perspective;
    Our needs entering FA’s? Depth at DB, OT, OG, WR, and another OLB.

    OG – Snyder is now combined will colledge giving us a pretty good inside 3.
    OT- Who is there to get? Bell has played 16 games once, injuries., Marcus Mcneil has injury issues. Not much out there.
    DB- losing Marshall was tough, but if Toler returns and we land Gay, were OK.
    OLB- Acho will have double digit sacks this year but we need someone else to
    help him. Wimbley would be nice but costly. The draft may be the best
    place for this.
    WR- Fitz is awesome, but could use help. Roberts is more of a slot guy, I love
    Sampson, but I would still like to add someone. Not much out there again.
    Another spot in the draft we can address.

    Let’s say we land Gay in FA. We draft Whitney Mercilus in the first to fill the OLB spot, In the 3rd, we grab OT Mitchel Schwartz., then grab a wr in the 4th. We’re in good shape.

    Don’t panic.
    The Giants added David Baas and Steve Smith last year. Not much of a splash.
    The Patriots made a couple of bad trades getting OchoCinco and Haynesworth. Not much else.
    The Ravens didn’t add anyone of significance last year.
    Then the 49ers were the big spenders. Braylon Edwards was a bust, Carlos Rodgers was a nice pick up after the top CBs were gone.

    These were the top 4 teams last year. Not a whole lot of FAs needed.
    If FA’s win SBs , the redskins would have 4 more trophies. Draft well and add a couple players.

  44. By PACardsfan on Mar 19, 2012 | Reply

    I haven’t gotten to read much replies on here lately, but knowing the Cards. may be looking to add depth to the WR’s and since Marshall left, DB’s, what are your thoughts on the Cards looking into bringing Byrant Johnson back and or Steve Smith (Philly)? Johnson does have exp. with the Cards. and wouldn’t cost much. Smith, depending on where he actually is with his medical issues, he shouldn’t be too expensive. As for DB’s, any thoughts on maybe going after Justin King and orTerence Newman? I def. believe Tolar and Peterson will be the starters but King and Newman would make a good DB squad. Just seeing what your thoughts are on these four guys.

  45. By Darren Urban on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    PACards —

    RE: Names

    Haven’t heard those names. Don’t see Johnson. I don’t know where Smith is health-wise. As for DB, I think the first choices would probably be those guys who came in Monday. They don’t need a starter. I don’t see Newman as a nickel.

  46. By CDJ on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    wow fans geez you guys need to relax and cut them some slack and stop trying to be couch GMs i always laugh at the people that say “just get Cambell signed to a long term deal and go out and sign so and so” it is never that easy. and people need to calm down about Marshall leaving, did you really expect him to stay after the money the dolphins offered him? and laugh off kolb for crying out loud how many Qbs do really good their first season? in fact his first year numbers are almost identical to Matt Schaubs in Houston, and look how he turned out. fans these days are so impatient and whiny im sorry darren that you have to put up with them and sorry for the rant.

  47. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    @Scott H,

    “Heard someone on a previous blog suggest that if we look at what the 49ers are doing so far, it’s really not that significant. OK. To this individual, I would point out that the 49ers were already significantly better than the Cardinals on the day FA began. Is there really any arguement there??? No.”

    No question their record was better, I would argue if they’re really significantly better than we are right now. For the first time in the past three seasons we finally split our season series with them, and our records over the last 9 games was identical at 7-2.

    “Therefore, even if they have imrpoved only a little bit and the Cardinals have done squat, then do the math. That only puts the best team in the division further ahead of us. THAT IS THE POINT!!! Don’t ask me to look at what the 49ers are doing. I’m aware of what the 49ers are doing only because they are doing SOMETHING. , I could be distracted by that. Our focus should be on what OUR TEAM is doing. And that ain’t much, unfortunately. THAT IS THE POINT”

    As stated previously, I think it’s very debatable if they’ve improved. I’d take Morgan over Manningham, and wouldn’t go anywhere near the 2012 version of Randy Moss. His final season in 2010 was mediocre by anyone’s standards, and he’s proven to be anything other than a positive locker room influence. If Smith leaves, now they’re looking at a young, unproven QB to work with that disruption. Not that I really care what the 49’ers are doing, I was just responding to Soares20 concern about them loading up at WR, a idea you can see I disagree with.

    The point I take from the off-season is FA isn’t where teams significantly improve themselves (The Niners went from 6-10 to 13-3 largely on more efficient play from their existing QB that most thought they were crazy to keep, and two outstanding draft picks to an already stout defense), we went from 5-11 to 8-8 due mostly to great ST play (ty, PP) and a vastly improved defense (ty, Ray Horton), not on our large amount of free agent signings. With little or no cap room I’m not sure who you expect us to sign, or who you see as a game-changer that is worth rearranging everyone’s salaries for? We made a play for Manning, not surprisingly he signed with the team who could afford/willing to pay him close to $20 million per (an overblown amount for an aging QB coming off of four neck surgeries and post-season record of 9-10, if you ask me). Outside of him (and a select few others), the FA pool is littered with average players that most get overly geeked up about. I agree with Soares20, and anyone else who like to see us upgrade our #2 WR but it’s only March – the season is a long ways off.

    “Perhaps if the Cardinals were doing ANYTHING”

    Had to throw in one last response to that. Sometimes it’s better to stand still than run around aimlessly. If we signed two young, very promising players off the market most would be excited about that, yet most don’t take into account we’re effectively adding Ryan Williams and Greg Toler to our roster next year. How much would Williams have helped in the games Beanie missed or played injured?

  48. By cardsalltheway on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    Am I correct to say that if we cut R. Williams we would save more than 1 Million Dollars against our cap? And, could EASILY find another RB that would be able to perform better than him because of health and strength/hasn’t had major knee surgery in the past year?
    How much would we save if we cut G. Toler? I’d like to know since he is a Restricted Free Agent and I don’t think we’d get much of anything for him since he had major knee surgery?

  49. By D on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder if come draft time, if the top pass rusher is off the Card’s board by the 13th pick, would they draft Luke Kuechly at ILB and move Bradley to OLB?. If Kuechly is as good as everyone thinks, he and Washington could compare great right with the pair up in SF

  50. By D on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    J. Bush resigns with GB, W Gay on the way to cash rich TN

  51. By Buck on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    John the Draft Guy – Good post. Well thought out and makes sense.

  52. By cardsalltheway on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    Good thing Hines Ward retired, otherwise Ken W. would’ve probably wanted to sign him to a contract.
    D. Docket among highest paid(39th) professional athletes in 2011, P. Manning was of course at the top of the list…
    “The next three NFL players behind Manning also were quarterbacks. Matt Ryan of the Falcons was eighth ($32,700,000 total), Tom Brady of the Patriots was ninth ($30,007,280) and rookie Sam Bradford of the Rams was 12th ($27,250,000).
    The other four NFL players among the top 50 were Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis at No. 14 ($25,750,000), Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez at No. 38 ($17,750,000), Cardinals defensive lineman Darnell Dockett at No. 39 ($17,675,000), and Giants quarterback Eli Manning at No. 47 ($16,000,000).”

    Where is Kevin Kolb compared to other NFL QB’s? Kolb got 26 million guaranteed compared to Matt Flynn’s 10 million(3 years @ 26 million). Matt Flynn got half the length of contract but K. Kolb got 13 million more $$$ at twice the length of time(6 years). What this tells me is the Cardinals paid Kolb as a sure thing but got less which was no surprise to many.

  53. By YmmyYames on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    For everyone’s reference. The Cardinals have the least amount of cap space, as of March 15, in the league. Wimbley just signed a 5 year deal worth $35 million. I’m guessing the Cardinals will be sitting tight and working in house up until the draft. So we can stop all of these crazy questions about bringing big name players in for visits for a bit.

  54. By Louisville Card on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply


    What is your deal with wanting to let Williams go? Did you watch him play????

    He looked like a stud from what little we saw. Until he plays and doesn’t produce keep the cut-Williams posts off the blog…

  55. By Wampag on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    D-Did they look Tracey Porter’s way at all?

  56. By Darren Urban on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    Wampag —

    RE: Porter

    Not that I know of.

  57. By Christo on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    Mr. Graves getting SCHOOLED by Mr. Baalke. Wouldn’t be a huge deal, but the Niners are division rivals and we will forever be at a disadvantage as long as these 2 GM’s remain.

  58. By D on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    Who knows if that cap space data is correct, I don’t see out any outside media person would have access to Keims or Graves running cap space total or bonuses that are due to players on the rosters…
    They wouldn’t keep bringing in players if they didn’t have a plan to sign these guys…

  59. By Chris on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    RE: Free Agency

    Wouldn’t really expect much from Arizona in free agency. They have a need to fill at the tackle position and the WR position. I suspect they will either keep Levi at LT and draft someone for RT. Maybe grab Bell for LT and move Levi to RT, then draft a G to compete vs. Snyder. 1st round is going to be either OL or OLB to me.

    WR we’ll probably check into in round 2 (if we trade back in round 1) or round 3-5.

    I think this team is going to roll with Acho/Scho and hope to add young depth in draft.

  60. By Brian on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    @ John the Draft Guy

    I completely agree with your point. This is a team that ended the season on a 7-2 run. Looking at the first 7 games, 3(4 if you include the Ravens) were games we could have won which would have given us an 11-5 or 12-4 record. I chalk those early games up to our players still getting familiar w/ each other and a whole new defense since there were a lot of new guys on the team. There is a lot of talent on this team and a major overhaul is not needed. The Peyton Manning thing was a once in a lifetime opportunity and everyone on here would have been calling for MB, Whiz and Graves heads had we not at least inquired. The reality is we are up against the cap and those major moves aren’t needed. Yes we need to upgrade certain areas and I think bringing in Snyder and re-signing Brown are steps in doing that with the o-line. There were two pass rushers available worth going after(Williams and Wimbley) and both were going to cost too much. As far as WRs go, they all went off the board fast and furious during the time we were looking at Manning. It was one or the other in that instance and we focused on Manning until we were notified we were no longer an option. Can’t have it all when you have limited cap space.

    There may be 1 or 2 more FA signings(Bell and Gay hopefully) but don’t expect anything big. The focus is now on the draft. If we have another draft like we did last year then I think those holes can be filled with good young talent.

    So many people want to spend money on the best/most expensive players but like the Draft Guy said, if that were the case the Redskins would be a dynasty right now. Better to bring in pieces that will fit into the system instead of forcing a square peg into a round hole. I think the coaching staff is happy with the way the team played at the end of the year and that they can carry that over to next season. A little improvement on offense from Skelton/Kolb and thinking about a full offseason to build on Horton’s defense, Manning is gonna be happy he didn’t go to SF.

  61. By D on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    Notice that the Bengals have not signed a Rb yet, I wonder if that rumor is true–trade down to 17 with them (they have 2 #1 picks this year) so they can move up for the AL RB, we also get #2 round pick at 53 of theirs, get lucky enough to draft C. Upshaw at 17 OLB and Z. Sanders at Left tackle at 53…would be a great draft for AZ

  62. By Scott H on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe –

    As always, your thoughts are well-presented and appreciated. But it I may counter with one thought, there is a big difference between “running around aimlessly” and doing as little as this team has. Those are the extremes and I don’t advocate for either of them. Falling somewhere in the middle is where I believe teams fall when they are truly successful in free agency. But the Cardinals are NOWHERE near that right now and it’s hard to imagine they will be at this point. They didn’t need to run amuck to make improvements – a few quality additions would have helped this team improve measurably. Heck, ONE quality WR ( ala Brandon Lloyd, Pierre Garcon, Mario Manningham ) would have been a tremendous addition for this team. All of these guys – and several others who are better than what we have on the depth chart after Fitz – were available and this team didn’t make a move toward any of them. That is just a failure to get it done.

    There is a story on right now that clearly and accurately identifies the Cardinals as one of THE losers of FA so far ( right there with the Dolphins! ) and, really, how can anyone argue with that??? The story hits it right on the head, as far as I am concerned. It points out how they did nothing while they were making a truly half-hearted stab at Peyton Manning and how the 49ers – through their apparent improvements – have only separated themselves that much furher from the Cardinals in the division. For me, that is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

  63. By drummer-1 on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    @ Scott H…

    How do you win in FA? Would we get a Trophy or something? Some would think the Eagles won last years FA, what did they do during the seaason? the same 8-8 record as the Cardinals with all those big name signings, so i wouldn’t put to much stock in FA at this time, it’s still early..

  64. By Cactus jeff on Mar 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ahhhh…..the cardinal faithful don’t get it. The cardinal front office will never get a WR in free agency, after the Q fiasco they will never spend big money on a #2 WR. Furthermore they will never draft a WR in first or second round. Darren has hinted over the past couple years, they are philosophically opposed to spending money at the WR position (except Fitz).

    They, including Darren, ignore what the rest of the league understands, great QB play requires multiple threats at WR. Patriots just missed winning the super bowl and they get Brandon Lloyd. it is so frustrating, Darren believes Kurt Warner was so good that he could have taken Fitz AndreRoberts and Early Doucet to the super bowl. Once again we know better, Kurt played great but Fitz, Q and Breaston were key to his success. Even Warner agrees. Warner, MJ and Bickley hinted that Peyton not impressed with the WRs and it might have been the deal breaker.

    Bottom line, the cardinals will not get a WR

  65. By Scott H on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply


    Not much I can say that I haven’t said already. You and I see things differently and that’s fine. But as to your comment that “it’s still early?” Well, I respectfully disagree with that as well. IMHO, free agency is not measured by time. It is measured by what / who is still available at the positions of need that your team has. By THAT measure, this team has missed the boat. And there ain’t another boat leaving tomorow or next week. Have ya looked at the scrap heap of WR’s that are left at this point? Don’t know about you but when I look at that list, I say it is definitely too late.

    And it doesn’t really matter, anyway, because it’s pretty clear this team wasn’t planning to up-grade that position.

  66. By YmmyYames on Mar 22, 2012 | Reply

    Winning in free agency is like getting your coffee before anyone else at work. Really you feel good about beating everyone for that cup, but in the end it doesn’t mean you will be the best worker in the office. Let me list some of the biggest free agent winners and losers for teams over the past 3 years…
    2011 – Eagles – WINNERS
    2011 – Giants – LOSERS
    2010 – Jaguars & Dolphins – WINNERS
    2010 – Giants & 49ers – LOSERS
    2009 – Redskins – WINNERS
    2009 – Ravens – LOSERS

    Which category would you rather see your team on the list for? Note that even when searching TOP 5 Winners & Losers, I didn’t see any Super Bowl champs on the list of Winners, but I saw them on the Losers many times.

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