Notes and thoughts before the weekend

Posted by Darren Urban on April 5, 2012 – 4:02 pm

A holiday weekend means Friday off, but before we reach the end of Thursday, I figured to touch on a few quick subjects:

The signing of safety James Sanders doesn’t mean Adrian Wilson is going anywhere or that Sanders will even play a big role. I mean, he could, but there is nothing guaranteed (I remember the Cards signing veteran safety Keith Lewis in 2009 to a two-year contract almost as soon as free agency started and he didn’t make it out of training camp.) But again, this is a veteran who should serve well in the locker room. A scouting report from someone who covered Sanders acknowledged his age — he doesn’t run as well as he used to — but that the veteran is a good person, good with teammates and is intelligent, the kind of player who makes sure everyone is on the same page defensively.

In some ways, it sure sounds a lot like Richard Marshall (and like Marshall, Sanders is from Fresno State. He’s actually a one-time college teammate of Marshall’s.)

— I’ve talked to a lot of players over the years and most have always said what you’d think they’d say in context of the game — “You never want to see anyone get injured” and “You’re never trying to hurt someone.” They are just making football plays. So why is it that so many seem to, if not defend, not be upset with what went on with the Saints? I get that they think it’s part of the culture, but that’s not what everyone has been saying all these years. The idea a coach would specifically talk about going after a opponent’s concussed head or ACL — knowing what a guy has to go through to come back from a torn ACL — makes me cringe.

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42 Responses to “Notes and thoughts before the weekend”

  1. By joe holst on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Kind of off the yopic but there are only 8 Cards from the 09 sb team . someone name them?

  2. By joe on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    I know a dub duece levi and fitz was larod the year after i think he is in there too also beanie maybe haggens is he stil on the team? thats all i got

  3. By rockypointcom on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Re: Joe Holst


    Did I get it right?

  4. By mike in gilbert on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    darnell dockett, michael adams, larry fitzgerald, adrian wilson off the top of my head…. early doucet, that’s 5 hyphen (larod)? calais campbell? clark haggans? lyle sendlein? brandon keith?

    seems like more than 8….

  5. By PACardsfan on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Joe: there are more than 8. Here are those I can think of off the top of my head: Levi brown, larry fitzgerald, a-dub, darnell dockett, c. campbell, early doucet, ben patrick, bradon keith, deuce lutui, lyle sendlien, clark haggens, gabe watson, mike adams,

  6. By cardsfaninalbuquerque on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    let’s see if this is them

    Darnell Dockett
    Adrian Wilson
    Michael Adams
    Calaus Campbell
    Beanie Wells
    Larry Fitzgerald
    Early Ducett

  7. By Jeremy W on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    darnell, dockett, adrian wilson, larry fitzgerald, beanie wells, early doucet, jeremy bridges, lyle sendlin, duece lutui, levi brown calais campbell, clark haggans, micheal adams, mike leach, greg toler, larod stephens-howling hazma abdullah who i believe just got released please correct me if i am wrong on any of those but by my count that is 16 a little more than 8

  8. By cardsfaninalbuquerque on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    woops sorry,
    Not Early Ducett but probably Levi Brown??

  9. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply


    Dockett, Wilson, Levi, Sendlein, Fitz, Adams, Campbell & Doucet.

  10. By reichaj on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    1- Levi Brown 2- Lyle Sendlien 3- Larry Fitzgerald 4-Calais Campbell 5-Darnell Dockett 6-Adrian Wilson 7- Early Doucet 8-Michael Adams 9-Clark Haggans (Reserve List)

  11. By fightingbird on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, have you gotten any info. on Larod Howling, will he be returning.I really would hate to lose a player like him.

  12. By Darren Urban on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Fighting bird –

    RE: LaRod

    He will be back. He will eventually sign his RFA tender.

  13. By Peter in Canada on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    I think Sanders is a good pick up. While our safeties are o.k. they are not young so he could see quite a bit of action and Gay is good insurance in the event that Toler is not 100%. These may not be big name signings but big names mean big money. The draft is ultimately where we will succeed or not.

  14. By Corgon on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    i think:
    1 Larry
    2 Levi
    3 Dockett
    4 Sendelin
    5 M. Adams
    6 C. Campbell
    7 B. Keith
    8 Deuce Lutui

  15. By Blake on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren, I have been doing my research on who the cards might pick up in the draft. Most Importantly the the first round draft pick. I know it’s like everything is up in the air right now but do think of the cards taking WR Micheal Floyd? I like him and I think he would be a great number 2 receiver, especially if Fitz is teaching him!

  16. By Darren Urban on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Blake –

    RE: Floyd

    I have mentioned that as a possibility.

  17. By D on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Happy Easter Darren

  18. By Ben on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    LSH was definitely not on the team during the SB, it was Edge, HT, and JJ running for the Cards.

    Here, according to ESPN was the roster for the Superbowl:

    NFC Champion

    Arizona Cardinals

    Head Coach: Ken Whisenhunt

    No. Player Pos Ht Wt
    1 Neil Rackers K 6-1 202
    2 Brian St. Pierre QB 6-3 230
    5 Ben Graham P 6-5 235
    7 Matt Leinart QB 6-5 232
    11 Larry Fitzgerald WR 6-3 220
    13 Kurt Warner QB 6-2 218
    15 Steve Breaston WR 6-0 189
    20 Ralph Brown CB 5-10 185
    21 Antrel Rolle CB 6-0 208
    22 Matt Ware CB 6-2 214
    24 Adrian Wilson S 6-3 230
    25 Eric Green CB 5-11 194
    26 Roderick Hood CB 5-11 198
    27 Michael Adams CB 5-8 181
    28 J.J. Arrington RB 5-9 212
    29 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB 6-2 185
    32 Edgerrin James RB 6-0 220
    34 Tim Hightower RB 6-0 216
    45 Terrelle Smith RB 6-0 250
    46 Tim Castille RB 5-11 242
    47 Aaron Francisco S 6-2 207
    48 Nathan Hodel TE 6-2 238
    51 Pago Togafau LB 5-10 242
    52 Monty Beisel LB 6-3 244
    54 Gerald Hayes LB 6-1 249
    55 Travis LaBoy DE 6-3 250
    56 Chike Okeafor DE 6-5 247
    57 Victor Hobson LB 6-0 252
    58 Karlos Dansby LB 6-4 250
    61 Elton Brown G 6-5 332
    63 Lyle Sendlein C 6-4 300
    68 Elliot Vallejo T 6-7 312
    69 Mike Gandy T 6-4 308
    70 Pat Ross C 6-3 300
    72 Brandon Keith T 6-5 343
    74 Reggie Wells G 6-4 308
    75 Levi Brown T 6-5 322
    76 Deuce Lutui G 6-4 332
    78 Alan Branch DT 6-5 331
    80 Early Doucet WR 6-0 210
    81 Anquan Boldin WR 6-1 217
    82 Leonard Pope TE 6-8 258
    84 Jerame Tuman TE 6-4 253
    85 Jerheme Urban WR 6-3 207
    87 Sean Morey WR 5-11 193
    89 Ben Patrick TE 6-3 260
    90 Darnell Dockett DT 6-4 285
    91 Kenny Iwebema DE 6-4 274
    92 Bertrand Berry DE 6-3 260
    93 Calais Campbell DE 6-7 280
    94 Antonio Smith DE 6-4 285
    97 Bryan Robinson DE 6-4 304
    98 Gabe Watson DT 6-3 332

    Oh shoot did I spoil all the fun???

  19. By Ben on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    Levi Brown
    Early Doucet

    Who am I missing???
    Brandon K and Lutui are still not signed back on the team?

  20. By Andy M on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply


    Kudos to you for asking the right rhetorical question–“why are players defending the bounty program of the Saints”? I am not sure this is the right forum to answer the question, but your observation is both startling and disturbing in light of the mounting evidence about long term brain damage, diminished life spans of ex-NFL players and the growing trend toward major knee injuries. It is a tough, violent game and that is one of the things most of us love about football, but there has to be a “line” and if the players themselves don’t have a “code”, why is the Commissioner’s office fiddling with the rules to protect players? Thanks for having the guts to pose the question because there will probably be some numb nuts who will question if you are a “wuss” for raising a serious issue.

  21. By Gil on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    on the saints deal we can only guess they siad the same thing bout warner and a few Cards on that 09 playoff.
    also not to mention the cost to a team to rehab a player, its considered bad business. there’s nothing like good old fashion fair and square.

  22. By AlexU on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    I got 9 actually, Wilson, Doucet, Fitz, Sendlein, Levi, Campbell, Bridges (who all of you forgot by the way), Dockett and then Adams who is a ERFA at the moment, so im just going to count that. Then also, Haggans and Keith could be re-signed too so, could be 10 or 11 from the superbowl roster.

  23. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply


    “So why is it that so many seem to, if not defend, not be upset with what went on with the Saints?”

    Sad to say, but it’s probably because they’ve heard it all before. Wondering if the NFL is really willing to completely open Pandora’s Box on this issue, or if they’ll be satisfied with using Williams (and his probable lifetime ban) as their sole example moving forward. Not to point fingers or make accusations, but we know it was a common practice of Buddy Ryan, which for me opens up questions about Rex and Rob (considering they learned pretty much everything from Dad). Even if it turns out they haven’t, I wonder what the league would find out if they put their spotlight on LeBeau/Von Oelhoffen back in 2005 when he took out Palmer’s knee? It’s ancient history now, but I know what they would have found out when Martin slammed McMahon back in ’86, as Gregg had his players wearing their targets numbers on their playing towels. I won’t be sad to see Williams go, but wouldn’t, for a second, believe he’s in this alone.

    Usually, a person is a lot less likely to say something about someone who’s gotten caught if they’re aware it could have just as easily have been them…

  24. By Nor cal cards fan on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think u might have called him Stewart on accident in the blog..

  25. By Darren Urban on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    Nor cal –

    RE: Stewart


  26. By joe holst on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    actually only 7 but Im pretty sure they will resign money mike adams.. do you agree darren.. seemed like there was at least 20 around.

  27. By Darren Urban on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    Joe –

    RE: Adams

    Yes, Adams will be around.

  28. By Blair on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    No one else will want him. No worries there.

  29. By chad on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    We better trade down if we are going to draft floyd…Not worth the 13th pick…
    I like Hill, Floyd then Wright in that order and not one of these guys sound be drafted before the 20th pick. the only way a team will is if they are reaching.

  30. By desertspin on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    Did anybody see Feely on ESPN, re: Gregg Williams audio? As a Card fan I am embarrassed & dismayed by his comments making light of this behavior, like all teams do this. Jay, you disappoint me. Even Warren Sapp declared this was over the line. You might be playing the devil’s advocate, but with your commentary, you are not a good representative of our franchise!

  31. By cardsalltheway on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    ‘Underground’ thoughts…
    R. Wolfley: “The livelihood of Graves and Ken W. depends on it” – statements based on Levi and/or his performance.
    Darren, why did you let R. Wolfley get by with such a statement? Your common reply to anyone here who suggests the same/similar thing is…”Ken W. ain’t going anywhere, he has a contract” in other words…”He doesn’t have to worry about his job or being fired.” I guess it just depends on the ‘WHO’ says what aye? Some people get a Darren pass and others don’t!

    Other R. Wolfley ‘Underground’ comments…“There weren’t very good QB’s available last year in Free Agency.” “The offensive Line FA’s this year were “awful.”

    I hope this isn’t the start of the 2012 excuses?

    R. Wolfley cont…“If you believe Levi can’t play, then you don’t know the whole story.” Wow, what is the whole story Mr. Wolfley?

    I haven’t really put Levi down directly. However, I have blamed R. Grimm for our poor offensive line play. Of course R. Wolfley didn’t even mention R. Grimm as far as placing the poor OL performance blame on him, which is really astonishing unless that is what Wolfley meant by “THE WHOLE STORY?”
    WHAT’S the WHOLE STORY MR. WOLFLEY? If only fans weren’t so out of touch about Levi, aye?

    Then we hear Darren say something about “John Skelton’s personality” I’d like to hear more about that? Is there any negative conotation behind it or his personality? And, “J. Skelton was drafted in the 5th round,” what does that and his personality mean? I hope players(QB’s) aren’t now going to get FREE passes based on personality = K. Kolb doesn’t have a personality like J. Skelton(nor was he drafted in the 5th round) so does K. Kolb get a FREE pass?

    Stop pretending there will be a “real competition,” the only thing there will be is the protection of K. Kolb until he plays against other teams. Will K. Kolb get more than the first few plays in the 1st or 2nd series of the first couple preseason games = about 20 plays like Matt Lienart before THE decision to START him is made in favor of John Skelton? What if K. Kolb doesn’t look good in his first few games = 20 plays?

    Last year K. Kolb “didn’t get enough time” because of the “hold out” excuse, yet the Cardinal Org. knew of the holdout beforehand and still PAID K. Kolb handsomely – STOP the EXCUSES! How much time will K. Kolb be given during preseason games this year? If so, fans will probably hear things like…”We had to protect K. Kolb’s head so we couldn’t play him in preseason, hence the reason K. Kolb hasn’t been playing well.”

    Good on you Darren for not hyping G. Toler!

    However, I did hear R. Wolfley hype up Ryan Williams by calling him the “2012 Breakout Player,” OMG? Despite what Wolfley says I sure hope we draft(find) another RB, but NOT in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth etc… rounds. We picked up an undrafted QB two years ago(Mr. Moxy H.) why can’t we pick up a RB and just start him/find a local guy for more hype(sarcasm off even though I know it’s not for others), get the scouts to scout and find a local RB?

    Stop reading now unless you want to hear about P. Manning…

    P. Manning’s visit to AZ, did he play any golf during his visit? Was that why he made a stop to AZ? I’ve been to CO and after being there, I know a round of golf sounds good to many people. Retirement is why people come to AZ, to play golf and P. Manning could be doing so soon. Why not make connections beforehand?

  32. By smack28 on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    I personally think Floyd is NOT a good option for the Cardinals. He is not quick in and out of breaks. In fact, his short shuttle was 4.50 giving a very strong indication of that. Basically, that translates to straight line routes. It seems this team would benefit more from a WR that can take the top off the defense and has a great burst. Floyd is just not that guy. If the goal is to get a big bodied WR with average speed, Juron Criner might be a better option in the 3rd round. He has a better short shuttle and a ton of upside.

    I am now convinced Melvin Ingram is the best choice followed by Luke Kuechly unless Reiff falls to the Cardinals. I would also be good seing us trade down to get more picks. How about trading the 13th pick to the Patriots for pick #27 & #31? They could then address OT and WR by possibly grabbing Mike Adams or Cordy Glenn at OT then Stephen Hill or Kendall Wright at WR.

  33. By BleedCardsRED on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    RE: cardsalltheway

    Your comments are dumb so stop getting on people about their views and thoughts about the upcoming year. We have a good football team and how many of the 32 teams can you name ALL of the “household” linemen’s names? Stop bashing on our line cause it definitely not the worst in the league. Every team’s fans out there always want a better line but there is a problem with the availability and money.

    I for one, am very happy to see the moves we have made this year and last with our line and think we will look pretty good. The offseason will do plenty for our teams reps this year and if Kolb doesn’t produce or he keeps acting like a baby (sitting out 3 weeks with turf toe and 4 with concussion like symptoms) he will be dropped like a bad habit. Remember we wrote in a “2 yr get out clause” in his contract. We let Leinhart go cause he was a baby so stop talking about free passes. That’s just dumb. Know your team and support them undivided.

    Also, I agree with Wolfley, the one guy that is unproven that WILL be a force to reckon with is Ryan Williams. Sit back, stop the rhetoric, and watch the season unfold!

  34. By wilson24slams on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply


    I agree with you about keeping debates civil.

    I disagree with you about the OL. I feel pretty comfortable saying they were the WORST OL in the league last year.

    we could use some more intelligent discussion from people like you on our other online Cardinals Community.
    check it out!

  35. By TUCsteve on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply


    are you really a cards fan? all you do is bash people and complain.

  36. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    @Alex U,

    Bridges didn’t join us until the following season (played 2008 with Carolina).

  37. By johnnybluenose on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    it has been reported that deuce will be playing in arizona again in 2012……as a seattle seahawk. good luck to you deuce except when you are playing our guys. darren, do we know the dates of some of our home exhibition games?

  38. By Darren Urban on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    Johnnybluenose –

    RE: preseason info

  39. By Craig on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply

    Really don’t think we need MORE receivers, if the guys we have get half a chance they will step up and Sampson could be great. Don’t need another RB either, Ryan Williams will be a beast this season, wait and see. We have Big Beanie and the playmaker hypen also.
    We absolutely have to have OFFENSIVE LINE. Praying we get DeCastro. Trade all the rest of our picks and get Cordy Glenn. Those two players is all we need and I would get our draft grade a A+. Watch and see how much better the whole team is with a great OL.

  40. By CORMAC on Apr 7, 2012 | Reply

    HURTING people is PART of football.

    We used to line up, and smash into each other over and over again in practice. In the games, we would get skull and crossbones for good hits or taking someone out of the game, followed by ” good job” and a smack on our ass. Its how it is…

    In the NFL they save it for when it counts to preserve their body, but they still remember. Its part of the culture. PART OF YOUR JOB….They were trained to use their bodies as a weapon. If your going to cry about it, get an office job…. Most who have been in football know how it is. Others cannot understand, because they never played.

    Keep your opinions to yourself if you have never padded up in a helmet and shoulder pads and beat the crap out of your best buddy with your face.

  41. By Darren Urban on Apr 7, 2012 | Reply

    Jonnyb –

    RE: beanie

    He is rehabbing fine and on schedule for a normal return.

  42. By kkfan on Apr 7, 2012 | Reply

    Upon hearing the tapes on Saints DC I think the man should be banned from coaching any sport for the rest of his life. The things he was demanding his players to do to other players was down right discusting…And certainly borders on criminal intent to do bodily harm. And has no place in a sport. Players get hurt easily enough without someone making an all out attempt of deliberately injuring them. Possibly ending their careers if not the lives.

    @cards all the sir sound like one very bitter man. Every post be it here or on the MB is full of bitter acusations of one kind or another.

    To suggest that Kolb was babying his injuries is just ridiculous. First off from players who have suffered with turf toe say it is very painful and does take several weeks to heal. And being a QB and trying to plant makes it very difficult to play without when you need the strength of your legs and feet to balance you to making your throws. Especially if you want them to be accurate..

    As for the concussions…he had no choice but to sit out for how many weeks the Dr’s said he was not cleared to play. So how is that his fault? It is no longer up to the team coaches or the trainers to determine when a player who has been concussed can return to the game. As it was in the older days. They must be cleared by an independent Dr. Who has no connections whatsoever with the team in question.

    I hope that Whizenhunt has the courage to allow Kolb to play more than the amount of time you are suggesting. But maybe Whiz favors John because he drafted John. Cocahes hate to have to admit they might have been wrong about someone the belived in.

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