So a Card, a Ram and a Seahawk walk into a weight room

Posted by Darren Urban on July 11, 2012 – 11:15 am

My two days at Larry Fitzgerald’s Minnesota camp are over (story coming soon), and I know many are wondering who exactly is showing up to the workouts. Obviously, it’s an ever evolving thing. Not everyone shows every day, or every week. I was told Vikings Christian Ponder and Kyle Rudolph were there the week before. And, oh yeah, Cards rookie Michael Floyd was there Tuesday but not Monday.

As I mentioned before, Cardinals wide receivers Andre Roberts and Stephen Williams were there, as was quarterback Rich Bartel.

But I have to admit, it was hard not to notice the mixing of the NFC West rivals. Seahawks running back Leon Washington and wide receiver Ricardo Lockette were also there, and quarterback Tarvaris Jackson came too. Rams safety Craig Dahl was also in the middle of the action. Now, there are reasons. Lockette and Jackson is a former Viking and has roots in Minnesota, as does Dahl, who was raised there. Washington doesn’t, but heard about it through his Seattle teammates and brought his wife, with the two of them hanging out at Fitz’s house afterward and taking part in water sports Fitz enjoys in the lake behind his house.

The battles for the division seemed far away.

“This group of guys is really competitive on and off the field,” Dahl said. “We come together in the summer time to reunite and push each other. On Sundays, it might be a different story.”

At one point, Fitzgerald good-naturedly tried to stop an interview with Washington (pictured below, with Fitz). Something about putting an infiltrator on the Cardinals’ website. There is plenty of trash talking about what will happen in the division later on, but that only makes sense.

“We all respect each other, we all want each other to do well,” Washington said. “When it’s the offseason, we can work together. When Sunday comes around and you match up against each other … you want your team to come out with the victory. I’ll be pulling for the Seahawks all the time.”

(Side note: There were no 49ers and I don’t believe any were expected.)

Among the others in attendance during my time there were Jacksonville receivers Laurent Robinson and Cecil Shorts, Tampa receiver Tiquan Underwood (famous for being cut by the Patriots on the eve of last year’s Super Bowl) and Vikings linebacker Everson Griffen.

“We’re a fraternity,” Fitzgerald said. “There’s only 1,600 of us.”

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30 Responses to “So a Card, a Ram and a Seahawk walk into a weight room”

  1. By hummer53 on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    Not surprised by no 9er’s . SF and Cards REALLY don’t like each other. The hitting is ramped up big time in that game. Season ticket holders you know what I mean. Not really sure when this started. I think it might have been the MNF game a few years ago in Mexico. The Cards put the hammer on them on a big stage and they never forgot that.

  2. By Andy Kw on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    Bartel is our Quarterback and we will not release him. Trade Lindley, keep all 4 QBs, or put Lindley on practice squad. Bartel will beat our Lindley and we need all the experience we can get. Lindley is a rookie and Bartel has 3 years of experience. Bartel was impressive in most of his Preseason games and I see why people wanted him to be the Starting QB in the middle of last season.

  3. By BigBobDiesel on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for the laugh Andy.

  4. By brad oneill on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    i think the san francisco Cards rivalry really took hold when steve young left the field forever after an Aeneas Williams blitz. Before that arizona loyalties were largely split between the Cowboys and 49ers with very few loyal cards fans, the team was finally showing some real heart the year before with a 9-7 record and then slaying one of the giants of the game in the second loss out of the first three games kind of set a mood that never really went away. I am not saying the fans or team wanted to hurt Steve Young but it was a kind of coming of age thing for a team that hadn’t really done anything to that point.

  5. By daniel on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    @ hummer53 that an the MNF goalline stand to win it in the 4th on the last play of the game. i was there an it was an excellent game !!

  6. By John the draft guy on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    Andy kw,

    If Bartel takes the field in a regular season game, my greatest fears for this team will be realized.

    Bartel, and guys like him, serve a purpose as number 3 QBs, but if you think for one minute he can develop into something more, you are not paying attention.

    Trade Lindley? To who and for what? Any team could have had him, he was a 6th round pick. What you have in Lindley is a guy who showed some promise in college, who (although a longshot) could develop into a #1, due to his size and arm strength..

    Romo Warner, Bulger, Hasselback, Fitzpatrick and Brady were all late picks or not drafted at all. But they are the exception.

    Most QBs are drafted in the first round or in the case of Brees, Dalton and Kolb, early 2nd rounders. In fact, 23 of the 30 fall under this rule, with 3 other first rounders who could take over this year.

    But taking a shot on a late round QB is always a good move. (ie, Patriots with Matt Cassel) To get a Brady or Romo late is worth the chance to develop a late QB like Lindley or Skelton, who we drafted in the 5th round.

  7. By Eric Y on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    @ Andy
    I like Rich too and I kind of see where you are coming from. But I have a good feeling (without seeing a lick of camp, of course) that Lindley will be our third guy. Even if we wanted to develop Lindley from the practice squad up, he wouldn’t clear waivers. Someone else would definitely pick him up.

  8. By mal on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    I think at least part of the Cards/9ers hatred comes from that year SF went 2-14 and both wins were against AZ. They ruined our season that year and celebrated like they had won the Superbowl. It’s been a grudge-fest ever since.

  9. By Sir60 on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    Skelton has shown that he is a very durable quarterback. Kolb has not. If Lindley shows promise in camp, the Cardinals will have a very tough decision to make regarding our third quarterback.

  10. By Josh on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    I think we can all agree that we dislike the 49ers, mainly because their fans.

    P.S. Go Hawks!

  11. By Scott H on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    Um…if we are down to our 3rd string QB – be it Bartel or Lindley or whoever – aren’t we pretty much done regardless?

  12. By Sir60 on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H,

    Not necessarily. With a very conservative passing game and a strong running game, along with a very strong defense, we could win the division ala 49ers. We would need turnovers and good special teams play.

  13. By Relay-TV on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    Why isn’t anyone asking the real question.

    If “Rocky” Rich Bartel can find the time and money to travel to Minnesota for some extra work with Fitz and Floyd…

    Then why aren’t Kolb and Skelton there?

    One might think that with the biggest season of their careers staring them in the face, they might want as much practice as possible.

    In fact, if either Kolb or Skelton or Lindley had the leadership necessary to be the true franchise QB we need, they might be LEADING the offseason workouts…

    Instead of Avoiding them.

    Yeah, I don’t know what I don’t know. But I’ve got a feeling that Darren, or ESPN or the NFL network would have reported it if there was something like that going on.

    Kolb = 8Million
    Skelton = 540K
    Bartel = 540K
    Lindley = 390K

    But only Rich Bartel has the eye of the tiger. Only he acts like he really wants to be our QB.

    I know the odds are against him ever getting on the field for us again this season. In fact with this “Open QB competition” going on, and Lindley to diagnose, Bartel may not even see the field in preseason.

    But I sure wish he would get a shot.

    I’d take his heart any day over the 3 others.

  14. By John the draft guy on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    Relay TV

    Whose to say they are not working out? I love Fitz and I’m sure people are doing great work there. The fact that most of the WRs are there would seem to most it’s the place to be.

    But ask yourself this; does Fitz know how to improve Skeltons footwork or Kolbs pocket presence? What if their off season workouts are with trainers and coaches that will help them improve on their drops and footwork? What if Lindley is working on accuracy with a QB coach while Bartel is out throwing passes like a coach helping WRs?

    Maybe none of that is true, I don’t know. But what I do know is that we shouldn’t assume that because the other 3 aren’t with Fitz, they don’t want to be the starting QB.

    one more thing I wonder;
    (1) if the cards cut Bartel like Max Hall or Stan Gelbaugh or the hundreds of other 3rd string QBs that has passed through Az, would any other teams line up to get him?

  15. By horned frog on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    Bartel isn’t chopped liver. Relay-TV great point. All that’s been said is how athletic Lindley and Skelton are, last I checked Bartel was the two sport professional athlete. Lindley and Skelton are big, Bartel is 6’4″ 230lbs too. Whatever, people hate because they’re ignorant to the business. The bottom line is the kid’s a fighter and has worked for every opportunity he has and hasn’t gotten. Viva the underdog. Go Cards.

  16. By Harball on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    I think we can all agree that the (expletive), seachickens and rams are all just trash franchises that don’t really deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the 49ers. Only the Rams have had decent success in the past with the greatest show on turf and that was only about a 3-4 year span that they were in contention. I’d also say that seachicken and (expletive) fans are about the biggest kool aid drinking, ignorant fans I have ever seen. You guys really think your defenses are anywhere near the Niners? Next offseason should be great seeing both Whiz and Petey Carroll getting fired, that will be a happy day indeed. How does it feel knowing your team has no chance of winning the super bowl or even coming close for at least the next 3 years? Sorry for the Troll reality check but your teams, in truth are garbage, abandon all hope.

  17. By Vegas Khan on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply

    lol….Harball….the fact that you spent time coming to this site shows the insecurity you have with the Niners..what the hell are you so exited for???..SF will get a reality check this year..GUARANTEED..they will not sneak up on anyone with there 3 tight end sets and field position play…Do you really think Alex Smith is going to take you to the Super Bowl?….. How does it feel to be a fan of the 80’s? cause that’s the only thing you have to celebrate being a SF fan…The entire division just got waaay better, did you not see the last AZ /SF game…SF wanted to win BADDD….AZ manhandled SF…please go back to your fktup life…cause you sound misrable bro…ill send you $5 to get a happy meal so you can shut da fk up…

  18. By Matthew on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply

    everyone is trying to defend bartel, but lets all be honest for 1 second. If he were ever promoted to starter everyone of you would be worried, and seriously questioning why they made that move. So stop acting like you want him to be the starter when in all reality if he were the starter you would all be mad about it.

  19. By wsphxcardsfan on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply


    You indeed are trolling and its so obvious that you are a pathetic coward. We don’t even need to comment on your thinly veiled attempt to stir up a heated conversation, which is probably based in your own chicken-(expletive) inability to stand up for yourself in the real world. But I will say this: you don’t even have the decency to bring forth an honest evaluation of your rivals and instead rely on the championships garnered long ago when I was still in grade school. You may wish to ask your wife or mom for permission to attend a Cardinals game and express these feelings to the Red Sea, like a true man would sir. Otherwise, go take your pathetic sissy trash talk to the Castro.

    Keep it real. Red Sea.

  20. By Sir60 on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for the incentive Harball. We’ll see you twice this year and that will tell the tale.

  21. By Harball on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply

    Enjoy another rebuilding year boys! I’m glad I stirred up the RED SEA cause the Niners are gonna split em like Moses!!! BOOM!! Love you guys but seriously without an O-Line, QB, coverage safeties, Linebackers how do you expect to win??? But honestly F#$@ the Seahawks, most oblivious fans in football.

  22. By Darren Urban on Jul 14, 2012 | Reply

    Harball –

    RE: stirring

    You said you didn’t want to troll but now that’s all you are doing. Never understood, frankly, why an opposing fan was into that, but regardless, go do it on a message board. You want to comment on a blog post subject, fine. Otherwise, you are done here.

  23. By Harball on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply

    Why u mad wsphxcardsfan?

  24. By cardsalltheway on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply

    Bartel deserves a shot, I’d trust him more than the rookie and he has shown promise. If Bartel gets overtaken by the rookie in preseason it won’t be that the rookie deserved it, more like pure conjecture. We’ve seen the dumbfounded before and/or recently at QB, expect the same but hope for change.

  25. By Mike Ellingboe on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply


    “How does it feel knowing your team has no chance of winning the super bowl or even coming close for at least the next 3 years?”

    You tell us, you must be something of an expert when it comes to that. Has the bar in SF dropped so low that your first playoff appearance since 2002 warrants bragging rights? There was a time, not all that long ago, that anything less than a Super Bowl wasn’t worth getting excited about for that franchise.

    Make sure Moss picks out his favorite skirt when the play calls for him to get anywhere near the middle of the field.

  26. By johnnybluenose on Jul 14, 2012 | Reply

    i very much enjoy reading everyone’s comments and try not to miss any of them. until now i had the impression that everyone who took the time to comment was a cardinals fan, albeit often a frustrated and sometimes angry one. thanks to Hardball an interesting dynamic has been offered, hearing from supporters of rival teams. this could be good, especially if the opinions expressed are well thought and informed and not just trash talking. it’s good to know that we are on the radar screen of people like Hardball. after all, if he did not consider the cardinals to be a threat to his 49ers, why would he bother. on another topic, one thing i don’t like is when the players on opposing teams openly act too friendly towards each other. you see them laughing and joking before, during and after games. i do understand that it is a fraternity and some of these guys are real friends but it offends me as a fan to see this. it especially offends me to see players of any team acting happily after a loss. when the cardinals lose, i’m pissed off and i would expect our players to be pissed off too and act accordingly. you don’t see this level of fraternity and frienship in NHL hockey yet i know that some of those guys are friends off the ice too. when a hockey game is over. the players skate to their own goalie and, as a team, show him their appreciation of his efforts. then the home team usually salutes the fans for coming. the two teams do not engage each other on-ice at the end of the game. there is no smiling and laughing and hand slapping. any players who did so would be harshly reprimanded. the players simply leave the ice. that’s the way it should be. i think the NFL needs to heed the NHL’s example in this regard. i guess i think it’s okay that fitz gathers his buddies for some workouts but i could do without it, to be honest. could any hockey fan imagine players of the flyers and the devils getting together in the off-season for some friendly scrimmaging? not in their wildest dreams.

  27. By Scott H on Jul 14, 2012 | Reply


    I hear you, but I would point out that the season the 49ers had last year just happened to coincide with the best season ( BY FAR ) that Alex Smith ever had. No, he didn’t carry the 49ers to 13-3 and then to the NFC title game. But it also ain’t like they won DESPITE him. He played pretty well and that WAS a factor in the success they had. They weren’t going anywhere near where they went with a 3rd string QB. They weren’t that good!

  28. By John the draft guy on Jul 15, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H and Mathew

    I totally agree.

    The other Bartel fans;

    Eye of the tiger, deserves a shot, love the underdog?

    Lets get real. Bartel was cut by Dallas,Jacksonville, Cleveland and Washington-( 3 teams that needed QBs). In his 2 years with the cards he has a massive 55 QB rating with 1 TD and 2 picks in 3 games. Before the cards picked him up, he was in the united football league. .

    Nothing personal against Bartel. He has gone much further than me or most people. My hat is off to him. He belives in himself and is giving it his best effort, working hard to make it. He has a grocery bagger to get inspiration from. But, I don’t see lightning striking twice. Wow, that would be a great story.

    But understand this, he is on a team ,where nationally, no one thinks the cards have a QB. Peter King writes articles that Lindley will be the QB by mid season, not because of Lindley, but because of the believe there is no talent at QB on this team. Do you even hear one word from the coaching staff (who sees Bartel everyday) Media, or anyone else, that, in this open competition, he has a shot? Why not?

    We have seen Bartel. This is as good as he is. He is not a starter in the NFL and our defense and running game is no where good enough to overcome him as a starter in this QB driven, throw for 5000 yrds league. I have questions if Skelton or Kolb even fits the bill.

    So cardsalltheway, when you say he deserves a shot, do you mean he deserves a shot to make the team? If so, he is getting it.

  29. By CardsQb13 on Jul 18, 2012 | Reply

    A lot of talk has been of who will be the third string. The real talk should be who is our starter? In my opinion it should be Skelton. He has shown a lot of promise and has proved himself while Kolb was hurt. Also we should not have worried about drafting to our defense so much as drafting a qb. If we could have gotten one in the second or third round then we could have a really great team this upcoming year but we didnt so guys who will be competing need to step up and lead this team to a Super Bowl like Kurt Warner dod a few years back. Come on man!

  30. By William Barry on Jul 23, 2012 | Reply

    Lindley, our QB draft pick, I feel was really picked for the future of ball club, i.e., the QB once Skelton and Kolb are done with their careers….however, he might just start sooner than we think, if he shows great ability…we’ll see. I think that the intention of the FO.

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