Whiz talks tackles, playing time

Posted by Darren Urban on August 20, 2012 – 12:24 pm

Coach Ken Whisenhunt is planning for the first-unit offensive line to start the second half in Tennessee Thursday night. That’ll give more time for work at left tackle — D.J. Young will start as expected there but D’Anthony Batiste (who will start at right tackle) will slide over there for some time as well. Whisenhunt also talked about the possibility of someone else coming in later to play tackle — there is no question the free-agent market is in play here.

The playing time thing also means that John Skelton will get many more snaps — Whiz wants to even things out after Skelton played little last week. (UPDATE: Although after further review, Skelton has played 33 snaps, Kolb 32 thus far). But Whisenhunt repeated — again — he doesn’t have a timetable for making a call on the starting QB and it might not come before the final preseason game. “I don’t think there’s any pressure” to do it next week, Whisenhunt said.

— Whiz was pleased with how Ryan Williams looked at running back (eight snaps total) and he will play more this week. It depends on how much/if Beanie Wells plays this week, although Wells is expected to be out there.

— Running back William Powell has “gotten your attention,” Whiz said. It will be interesting to see if Powell can make a real push for a roster spot.

— Whiz still wants to cut down on defensive penalties. Offensively, he’s happy there hasn’t been a lot of questions about the run game. He took that to mean the run game has been good, and I would agree at this point — especially with limited Williams and no Wells so far.

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  1. By Eazy E on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    We better go in free agency for a LT or make a trade!! Whiz is not being fair to Skelton, he knows Skelton has won this battle in a damn blowout and he still looking and evaluating, that is what got Whiz in this mess all this looking and evaluating below average QBs such as Kolb, Whitehurst, Derek Anderson even though I thought he would do better than he did, Matt Leinart, ETC. Ryan Williams did look good and Beanie is on notice because if he keeps playing like he can, Beanie will be the #2 RB even with a very good season last year with the knee for most of it. Powell is going to be hard to cut because of his production in the running game and even on ST.

  2. By AndyStandsUp on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Though it was just a “walkthrough”, Wells and Jeff King looked decent.
    Why were the DBs required to stay the whole practice while the rest of the team was released 30 minutes in?

    BTW, it was nice to meet you Darren, though you may want to work on the handshake. 🙂

  3. By Gerald Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    You gotta like Powell’s quickness to hit the hole. Hope we can keep him.

  4. By D on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder if Whiz is working on who should be his backup QB this year and if not #4 probably doesn’t want that conversation with his boss…..I guess we’ll see how long a SB appearance can be stretched after this year…

  5. By Walter H Richters on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply


    If you look at the profile on Powell and Williams there isn’t a lot of difference. Powell has been pretty shifty too. Can you imagine the defense quandaryif both Powell and Williams were in the backfield together with maybe a double tight end set. How would they defend that? Oh well. It would be fun to see. Right now we have two RBs that have produced thus far, and two coming off injuries. How can we not keep Powell. He has been durable too. That may be his biggest upside with both of the lead RBs having been injured and Beanie more often.

  6. By Christo on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    There will likely be pressure on Whis after the whoever he chooses is gimped due to a lack of snaps and the shoddiest OL in the League. There will be pressure Whis.

  7. By CardFanInGB on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Is there any reason Massie is never being mentioned in any of these tackle discussions? I live in Green Bay so I am always limited to actually getting to see the games, which really sucks because I have Loved the cards since I was 8 years old (32 now).
    Has Massie been that underwhelming as a rookie that he is not even in the discussion about starting? Thanks

  8. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    CardsFan —

    RE: Massie

    I think he still has a shot at right tackle, but he certainly won’t be a left tackle.

  9. By awesomest wilson on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    If you trade a second round pick and a young starter for a quarterback why not give him snaps?kevin kolb had no off season and no idea his footwork needed to be tightend up to excel. Chris miller pointed that out and was fired for it.I’m not really defending glass joe but he was hurt. He should be getting starters snaps because he has more upside than skeleton man. This is a situation where you finally have an offseason with you job on the line coach him up. He’s running page one of this ‘offense’ all summer instead of being on page three and figuring out how to get floyd and fitz to play off eachother. We know what skeleton does. A qb battle is when two players are playing well not when one guy is playing down to his comp

  10. By CardFanInGB on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks Darren.
    I understand that he wouldn’t be an option at LT. But going into the year there was a lot of hype about him and Young and Batiste were not really talked about at all and a little more “known commodities”.
    When Levi went down, who I have always liked (is he great, no, is he awful, certainly not), to me the natural option would seem to slide Bridges to LT which he has played before and have Massie and Batiste battle for RT.

    I Guess the fact that I haven’t even heard Massie’s name mentioned has lead me to believe he is having an awful camp and has been a disappointment so far. So you are saying that isn’t the case?

  11. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    CardFan —

    RE: Massie

    I think he is having the normal up and down camp of a fourth-round draft pick. Remember, he wasn’t a first- or second-round pick. Expectations are high because the Cards need a right tackle. But that doesn’t automatically mean he’ll be ready right away.

  12. By Chris B on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    So far both Qbs have shown exactly what they showed last year. There is no winner yet. If things stay the same, it’s hard to see the resoning behind picking Skelton over Kolb. Both only stand a chance with a healthy run game, great defense and excellent special teams (or Spec Ops as Espo suggested).

    On 3 distinct passing plays where the O-Line protected well, Kolb was 3/3 for 25-ish yards. On 3 pass plays where the O-line protected Skelton, he was 3/3 for 25-ish yards and a TD. Personally, it’s hard to have a QB compitition when they throw 9 passes combined in a single game.

    I can’t specifically remember Williams on blitz pick-up; do you happen to check how he held up? Just curous.

  13. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Chris B —

    RE: Williams blitz

    I didn’t see it but one person who watched the play said Williams did well on his one chance.

  14. By Scott H on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ya know, I really do find myself torn on this…on one hand, I applaud Whiz for allowing for an open competition at QB and for splitting the starts and reps evenly. OK. BUT does anyone else find it annoying that – for the 2nd time in 3 years – there seems to be no sense of who is best suited to be the starting QB??? As the head coach, don’t you have to have a better sense of that??? I understand that Whiz may very well know in his mind who IS best suited and who it will be, and he is just keeping it to himself for any one of several valid reasons.

    All the same, I just don’t like that we are going through this for the 2nd time in 3 years. And maybe that is because the last time we did this, the season was a friggin disaster. And that season ended with us STILL not knowing who our QB was. This needs to be settled this year because you cannot / will not win in the NFL when you are going from season to season with a new batch of QB’s each time. And, unfortuantely, the Cardinals should know that better than just about anyone. Heck, since the days of Neil Lomax, we have had Jake Plummer and Kurt Warner as the only QB’s who were established as THE guy and who had some success. And they were WAAAAY too many lost years in between those guys.

    After this game, I don’t want to hear that we are still evaluating our QB’s and are not ready to make a decision. At this point, you either know who is best suited OR you know that nobody really is.

  15. By Jzoully on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Hear me out, trade Kevin Kolb because he is still worth a pretty penny, and trade Early Doucet for Tarvaris Jackson and a 6th round pick. Then trade that 6th round pick for Marcus Cannon of the New England Patriots. First we get rid of two underachievers for maybe one day a starting quarterback and a valuable draft pick, and we use that draft pick to get a tackle that could start immediately considering he came from New England.

  16. By louis on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    the front office needs to tell ken it’s time to shape up or ship out and make a decision what quarterback to start in the opener.

  17. By D on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, isnt this upcoming season the 2nd in Coach Whiz’s 4 yr extension?

  18. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Whiz contract

    Deal runs through 2013, with a team option for 2014.

  19. By wonderingwhy on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Everybody calm down about Kolb. Our o-Line is obviously the problem here. They need to give Kolb at least 30-45 seconds to throw the ball. WTF

  20. By chad on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply


    You said Wiz want’s to cut back on Defensiveness penalty’s…

    Q: That isn’t directed at Jamell Fleming was it? He had two penalty’s called on him that were bath bad calls; at least from my perspective.

    He has played real well, and looks like he may land that #3 spot at CB…

  21. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Chad —

    RE: Defensive penalties

    He didn’t mention anything in particular.

  22. By chad on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    On the LT situation, looks like we will be putting a blocking TE on the left side all year…

  23. By Rich on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not easy to get a franchise QB. That’s why the Cards went after Manning. We have two “decent” guys competing. Whiz knows what he’s doing. QB is not a trength of ours. That’s why we have to elevate the run game and our defense.

  24. By Uh okay uh on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    So what this article implies, is that Skelton plays the entire first half, or much of it. The O-line starts the 2nd half, meaning Kolb will get to go up against Tenn’s 2nd/3rd string to make him look better than he really is.

    Whiz is essentially making Kolb’s final exam an open-book test. It’s laughable the special treatment Kolb gets from this garbage coaching staff. On any other team his candy-a** would be cut like Garrard last year.

  25. By RelayTV on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone should know by now that our head coach is… Methodical.

    He is a risk-averse, numbers and spreadsheets kind of guy. Exactly what you think of when you think of a guy with a degree in Civil Engineering.

    And these are good qualities for an NFL head coach… To a point.

    He said going into training camp, that there was no timetable. He has repeated that every week.

    This is his way.

    Also, his head-coaching career might be on the line with this season, so that means this decision about QB is pretty damn important.

    We should all be shocked if he picked a starter before the last pre-season game.

    Because it just isn’t his style.

    Love him or not, he does what he says he will do.

    I think Skelton has earned the job, and unless he throws 2 picks and collapses into the fetal position this week, he will be the starting QB on Week 1.

    But I don’t expect to hear that from Whiz before the Titans, and maybe not before Denver.

    BTW- Whiz’s conservative nature is one reason why Todd Haley was so good for this team. He brought a level of unpredictability to our offense that has been sorely lacking since his departure.

    I think Whiz is a good head coach, and he has the potential to be a great one, but he has to improve in some areas:

    1.) Finding a franchise QB and LT.

    2.) Find a coach as gifted and sly as Ray Horton and let THAT GUY run our offense.

    3.) Handle the media better. Every time I see him on TV, he looks like he is…
    Well let’s just say UNCOMFORTABLE.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think there is anyone in the organization short of Mike B. who can deliver that message to him.

    Too bad.

    I’d hate to lose the best coach we’ve had in decades, because he can’t or won’t change.

  26. By Nick Pepe on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply


    I know Rex Hadnot is a guard, but I’m curious to know if he is currently employed.


    Nick Pepe
    Lifetime Member

  27. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Nick —

    RE: hadnot

    He did sign somewhere. Chargers maybe? I don’t recall off the top of my head.

  28. By Kevin S on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H — interesting comment. Personally (as a Kolb supporter) I think Whiz should’ve just said, Kolb is our starting QB; he was hurt last year and so Skelton got to play, which is a good thing in case we need to fall back to him, but Kolb is our starter. It’s a completely defensible position (notwithstanding all the Skelton bandwagoners’ views) based on their 2011 performance (and I speak here of the actual performance of the two as QB’s, not the fact that the team happened to win more of the games Skelton started). But once you say you are going to have a competition, I think you have to let it play out. And unfortunately Kolb has not looked good in the preseason games which of course is the only time the fans get to see him. So now Whiz is backed into a corner… choose Kolb and it’ll look like there never was any intent of having a real competition, which makes him look like a liar (even if he legitimately has reasons for the choice, e.g., Kolb looking better in practice or whatever). Funny thing is, there would’ve been nothing wrong with Whiz saying something like “Kolb is the starter” while leaving open the possibility of taking it away based on camp and preseason results (and perhaps he could have told both men this privately, without explicitly saying there is a “QB competition” to the media)… I mean, no one in professional sports is “entitled” to a job if they keep sucking.

  29. By Mr Robles on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Alotta talent & potential for these guys trying to make the team its gonna be hard to swallow when cuts come around. What do you think of battle between Linebackers Darren how many will make the cut?

  30. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Mr Robles —

    RE: Linebackers

    Usually, it’s around seven.

  31. By johnnybluenose on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H. i agree with you. this qb competition needs to end now. name your qb now and play him most of the two remaining exhibition games so that he is ready for the season. especially if it’s kolb who, right now, cannot have much confidence in himself. if this continues as is, i cannot imagine it turning out well. if we get off to a poor start, and we very well could, we will be lucky to win six games this year. i wonder if the optimism that was so evident a month or so ago was nothing more than wishful thinking. we’ll soon know. time to step up, cardinals.

  32. By Steward Badly on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Today I identified some of the John Skelton’s haters in the media. Brad Cesmat of 910 xtra sports is a big hater, the guy from The Fan 1060 Bob Kemp another big hater and Kent Somers, well Kent is coming to his sense and is starting to see the inevitable that John Skelton will be the starter.

  33. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Steward Badly —

    RE: Haters

    I find it laughable that someone who is constantly “hating” on players decides to “identify” some. I guess it takes one to know one.

  34. By Travis McCollum on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    How sad is it that the worst OT(young) threw all the preseason game is now starting at LT. The guy is beat on all most every single snap. He nothing more then a body on the field.

  35. By D on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Since N. Foles is currently the only healthy Philly QB–lets see if Andy would take back Kolb for a 3rd rounder….

  36. By emm7777 on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz needs to end this “competition”. Does he actually think this is any way productive or even positive for the team? Name Skelton the starter already. The choice is so obvious I don’t even know how this debate is still going on.

    If we win games, no one will care about giving Kolb all that money this time next year.

  37. By Red cards on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Hey maybe we can get Todd Haley to be HC next year

  38. By awesomest wilson on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    After they pick a starter. The loser will be in by third quarter of game one.we have no plan.jim fassel brian billick who’s out there?

  39. By stephen on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    So Darren its been 8 months and wrapping up a full pre season. I asked u along with many(QB)opinion? U favored Kolb. Has that changed is my question and why?

  40. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Stephen —

    RE: QB

    I said before I thought Kolb would be the starter when the season starts. At this point, I’d probably go Skelton. But my opinion counts for little. And I don’t think it’s as wide of a gap as everyone insists it is.

  41. By stephen on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    But we like to hear from you Darren. Also back to the article, so are you saying Skelton will be playing behind 2nd string line? Because he Starts and you said coach Whiz said ol will start second half?

  42. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Stephen —

    RE: Second half

    The OLine will play into the second half. That actually may allow both QBs to play behind starters, but I don’t know how Whiz plays to play it.

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    Rio —

    RE: comment


  45. By BIG RED on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Why put more pressure on your starting QB (Skelton) by not announcing the starter after this week. Take away the nervousness in the last pre-season game before the season opener. Wake up coach don’t over do it and just name the starter after the thursday game. Make it easier on the starter so he can work with the first team and make everybody comfortable with him. Go! Skelton! Even Foley from Arizona is looking better then no.4, that should tell you alot about cutting the guy.

  46. By Chuck 1 on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    IMHO Lindley and Bartel should not be on the field this week. Skelton and Kolb should each play a half and Whiz should announce the 1st string QB decision soon after the game. They should each have to play with the first string OL and the back-up OL.

    Then, let Lindley and Bartel show what they have in the last preseason game to decide who will stay and who will go.

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  49. By georgiebird on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Always a fan of Levi and Grimm. Based on your article, Levi was the worst guy on the team to get injured because he had no backup.
    All left tackles get beat- you can’t expect a 340 pounder to out maneuver a 240lb guy. Teams make adjustment to help the LT.
    The biggest thing the Cards can do for the LT position is PLAY DEFENSE. When we get woefully behind in games, the whole OL is under pressure. In the past, a combination of poor quarterbacks and poor defense has put the OL into non-stop pass only situations.
    I have my doubts about Horton and the 3-4 pass defense. But if the Cards can somehow play real well defensively. the LT situation might surprise. But a bad defense will make the LT position a moot point- no matter who plays there.

  50. By Kyle on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    If it came down to smith and Powell for the 4th rb spot who do you think is in the lead? I think Powell is solid

  51. By Darren Urban on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Kyle —

    RE: Smith v Powell

    I think it’s close. But Smith has had a good preseason too.

  52. By Rio on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, so you would hear me.

    Who else can we vent too. It must be hard for you not being able to say your mined.

  53. By okcardsfan on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    Darren how do you put up with the hate and vitriol from some of the posters? I have read multiple posts about fans wanting players to have career ending injuries. Kolb and Levi especially.

  54. By brad oneill on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    for everyone bashing Kolb- if there was a guy available this year with the same resume Kolb had when Whiz went out and got him you guys would be all over us chasing him. Yes he had bad year behind a troubled line last year and hasnt shown anything this year but there isn’t a single player available that is even close to what Kevin Kolb gives your team when he is firing on all cylinders. I understand people being disappointed with Kolb but he was the best available and has some serious upside from where he has been so far this year. I say take a deep breath be glad we have a competent number 2 and let the season unfold.

  55. By Ken Waters on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    It becomes more apparent every week that Whiz is not head coach material. He has survived on the quality work of Kurt Warner and Ray Horton. I guess he may deserve credit for bringing Horton over – if he actuall had anything to do with it. My guess is yes with the Steeler connection but not sure.
    Bidwill was smart enough to graduate law school, be an attorney general, but that doesn’t mean he can tell when he is getting a lot of B.S. from his underlings in the world of pro football. The results are not there. Start with Graves and clean house from there downwards, retaining of course Horton and perhaps a couple of others who have clearly been productive staff. The Colts bit the bullet and other teams should take notice of that. Right now the Cardinals are stagnated with people who are not suited for their jobs. Whiz is the most noticeable.

  56. By Ken Waters on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    The uncertainties of the QB situation is guaranteed to take its toll on the rate of progress of the team as a whole. The inability of Whiz to make decisions has been hurting this team for a long time.

  57. By joe on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    @ scott h i totally agree man i love whiz and what he is done so far but the best thing he could do now is hire someone to evaluate QB’s for him D A was a disaster Kolb is a disaster and for all you kevin supporters i know what your gonna say “give him time” i think the guy from the raiders said it best “that boy is scared” maybe he has all the tools but when i went and watched the red and white game i was saying the same thing he held the ball to long because after 2-3 seconds hes not looking downfield hes looking at the defense AND THAT WAS NOT EVEN FULL CONTACT with everything i love about whiz his weakness is defiantly rating qbs

  58. By buddy ball wins on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz loves competition its too hard to blame him for failure aaand he doesn’t have to coach them. The guy who’s been there longer will always win. Kurt had his hands in the playbook the year before his ‘battle’.a real coach makes them earn snaps and go deeper in his 3×5 card of a playbook. That way everbody sees who’s better. Todd haley returns week 4 bye wheez

  59. By KYCardfan87 on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    I’m coming to the game Thursday for my birthday and I’m sitting in the front row on the cards sideline. Is there a certain time players might come out n sign autographs or talk like maybe pregame or something? Thanks

  60. By Darren Urban on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    KYCard —

    RE: Autographs

    Unfortunately, there is no real time like that at games. Some guys might sign one or two before or after warmups. They all come out on their own schedule though.

  61. By Scott H on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    Kevin S –

    I hear ya. But regardless of any determination the coach may have made before camp started, I think he would be very hard pressed to defend a decision to name Kolb as the starter right now.

    johnnybluenose –

    Yeah, that’s pretty much where I am, too. Say what ya want but I think at some point, the PLAYERS know who should be the guy at QB or any other position. No one is gonna tell me that doesn’t happen in every camp for every team every year. And since I believe that to be true, I believe it only causes frustration for them when competitions go on indefinitely and the un-certainty continues.

    I see where teams like Miami and Tennessee are naming QB’s NOW and I think they are ultimately better for doing so NOW. And the Titans picked Locker over Hasselbeck even though he is making far less than Hasselbeck is. Hey, good for them. They are going with the guy who they think is best for the team right now, salaries be damned. Guys know where they stand and can move forward knowing what their role is. And I think that helps everyone.

    If I’m a player on this team, I want to know that the head coach has enough confidence in one of these guys at this point ( definitely after Thurs night ) to get behind him.

  62. By Louisville Card on Aug 22, 2012 | Reply

    @at Whiz qb critics…

    I understand being disappointed with our qb play, but to say that Whiz can’t evaluate qb’s is a little overboard. Who would you have picked????? He had no options. He picked the best of the bad qb’s available. To pick a starter now would only give Seattle another week or two to prepare. There’s nothing to gain other than maybe one or two more series of snaps.

    Darren, let me be the first beanie for jones-drew? Would they be interested?

  63. By Darren Urban on Aug 22, 2012 | Reply

    Louiville —

    RE: MJD

    Let me be the first to say MJD is not coming here. No chance.

  64. By Scott H on Aug 22, 2012 | Reply

    Louisville Card –

    Um, excuse me, but couldn’t Whiz have takenn more of an opportunity to evaluate Skelton during the 2010 season instead of continuing to start future hall-of-famer Derek Anderson??? The answer – YES, he could have. And YES, he should have. The reality – he did not. That was a TERRIBLE desision on his part and that is why Whiz IS at fault for not doing a better job of QB evaluation.

    This decision did NOT have to come down to THIS year’s trainig camp and pre-season. Because we could have known MUCH more about Skleton than we do right now if our coach had made a better deciision when he had the chance. And, really, could there have BEEN a better chance than the lousy 2010 season, when we were dead in the water by the halfway mark and were a total non-factor in the play-off picture??? What were we playing for at that point that would have made playing a rookie QB a mistake??? Please…

    And, to anyone who may have a hard time detecting sarcasm, my reference to DA being a future hall of famer was exactly that.

  65. By Louisville Card on Aug 23, 2012 | Reply

    @Scott H

    Are you serious? I’m not defending DA’s play but no coach would start a 5th round draft pick week one over a veteran pro bowler. Not that he resembled that when da was here.

    I don’t know if you have selective memory loss but Max Hall looked a lot better in preseason than Skelton so why start him until Hall blows his chance which he did. Which lead to Skelton starting some games in 2010 so your argument makes no sense. They did look at Skelton and he was like he is now ok but he will never be elite.

    Who else could they have realistically gotten that would’ve been better?

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