Lindley gets the QB start against Denver

Posted by Darren Urban on August 27, 2012 – 11:30 am

Coach Ken Whisenhunt didn’t make a decision on who his starting quarterback will be when the regular season starts, but he did make a decision on who will start against Denver in the preseason finale — and it isn’t Kevin Kolb or John Skelton. It will be rookie Ryan Lindley.

In the last preseason game, it doesn’t make much sense — given who the Broncos will or, more importantly, won’t play — to play starters, Whiz said. Kolb and Skelton likely will sit out, in fact, with Rich Bartel coming in in relief of Lindley. William Powell, who leads the NFL in rushing, is going to get a start at running back (although Beanie Wells and Ryan Williams will each get a chance to play to knock more rust off). This is about getting some reps against defenders higher on the food chain for guys like Lindley and Powell.

One thing Whisenhunt made very clear: Lindley, regardless of his performance, is not in the mix to be a starter in the regular season. He was even asked about all the fans looking for Lindley to play if Ryan has a good game. Whisenhunt knows that influx of opinion is possible — but again, emphasized Lindley will not be starting when the games count.

The decision for the quarterback is coming, obviously, but Whiz still isn’t saying when. Practice this week remains part of the evaluation process between Kolb and Skelton, although with Lindley and Bartel needing reps to prep for this game, you have to wonder how much more evaluation Whisenhunt and the coaches really still need to make. (As I mentioned the other day in response to a blog comment, what Whiz is telling all of us and what he is really thinking aren’t necessarily the same thing.)

The depth chart was officially changed, with D’Anthony Batiste now the starter at left tackle and Bobby Massie at right tackle. Whisenhunt wouldn’t rule out the Cards adding a tackle through free agency or waivers, but noted that he liked how Batiste played.

It was a lot to digest, especially since the Cards still don’t have a QB announcement.

The players aren’t available until later this afternoon, with the team headed over to ASU’s Dickey Dome for practice first.

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90 Responses to “Lindley gets the QB start against Denver”

  1. By MikeFlorio on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    QB round and round we go…maybe a V.Young or trade the titans for Hasselback?? Lol great to be back thanks urb

    Where is Max Hall these days? He was the savior of rome last season?

  2. By dstock21CardinalsWINRLOSE on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    What if and I mean BIG WHAT IF Lindley lights up the Broncos and they do have their starters in for the first one or two series? And if that were to happen do you think that could get Lindley at least a thought at the starting position? It’s a fresh pair of eyes and enthusiasm that the offense could use about now. Especially to help pull them out of the rut and hole they’ve been swimming in. I feel he may want the wins more and that earns him the recognition he needs. And the other two are more worried about NOT making a mistake as opposed to WINNING GAMES. Thus they make mistakes. Best of luck to Ryan and Powell I am looking forward to the both of them making this Team and bringing some passion into the offense to help reinforce Fitz. After all he is only one guy!

  3. By Steve W on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Interesting! I’ll bet we get the announcement later this afternoon, as I can imagine Coach Whiz wants the starter to get some extra reps in this week. Would make sense as well that the press and fans will actually be next in line to learn the named starter only after the players involved are informed. I’m betting it’ll be Skelton, but since we aren’t privy to everything that goes on in practice, only Coach Whiz knows for sure.

    I’d love to see Powell make the team after a great night against Denver, and I’m looking forward to seeing a bit more of Ryan Williams and how our O-Line stands up to Denver with Batiste and Massie.

    In any case, I hope the Cards have a great season this year, and I’m looking forward to the REAL season of football once we take the field against the Seahawks! GO CARDS!!!!

  4. By Derrick Haskan on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    C’mon Bartel you can do it!

  5. By Mackenzie Fiels on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Bartel better be worried and Lindley better make the team. There is something about him. And if he is met to be the starter down the road then he needs to stay!

  6. By grandpa55 on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    He may not be in the mix now but he will be by the end of this season. Kolb and Skelton are nothing more than projects and they play like it. Lindley has been the only one to have the stones to actually stretch the field. Kolb and Skelton are too busy trying not to lose the starting position.

  7. By Bob-O on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    what needs to happen is we go back in time get Kurt War…….No I mean first you get the money then you get the wait.. first you get the power then you get the wait…. first you get the woman. wait……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    I like seeing Lindley and Powell get the start, I think the cards have some good talent in the depth chart. Through adversity comes _____ . We’re gonna be a true testament to the TEAM WIN this year!

  8. By grandpa55 on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    If he’s not in the mix now, he will be by the end of the season. Kolb and Skelton are nothing more than projects and are too busy trying not to lose the job to the other guy. They’re too afraid to stretch the field and actually go for some offense, instead they checkdown because it’s supposedly safer. But those 2 can’t even do that right. Lindley is the future of this team, put him in the mix now, Kolb and Skelton offer nothing other than what we’ve already seen. If it weren’t for Peterson and Campbell last year, Skelton would have gone 2-5 last year and this would be a 3 man competition.

  9. By cdj on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    i think its safe to say that bartel will be gone and we will be holding onto lindley for a couple of years

  10. By Ditship on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    It disturbs me that neither guy is playing.. This means that the coaches have seen what they want out of the two and apperently have enough information to make the decision. I imagine it’s going to be Kolb. I also imagine with NEITHER playing against the Broncos that coach really wants to see what Lindley can do and I imaigne we’re going to see Lindley start at some point this season..

  11. By Dynosoar on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I’m thrilled to see Lindley and Powell getting a start. Not saying they’re ready to be starters, but what an oppurtunity to see what we have in them.

    Coach Whisenhunt probably knows who the starting QB will be, so why not let Lindley start a game in pre-season. And Powell, if he can do to the first stringers of Denver what he’s been doing the previous four games, I’ll be praising our coaches for keeping him around on the PS these last few years.

    I wish I could be in the Big Red Sea with ya’ll, but being in Utah, I’ll just have to be content with NFL network.

  12. By mrcucu on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, do you see the Cards cutting Rich Bartel? He seems to be a great team member, smart, and always trying his best. I know, I know, no enough room for every one. Tough to see him go if that is the case.

  13. By Darren Urban on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    mrcuscu —

    RE: Bartel

    It’ll be tough to keep him around if you want Lindley.

  14. By NorthAZ on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t expect Broncos will be playing Manning as well. So we’re just pulling a page out of their book.

  15. By JohnB on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Max Hall wasnt on the roster last season, that was 2010. Kolb will be the starter heading into 2012. Kolb will then proceed to struggle and get injured around week 3 or 4 and Skelton will enter the fray. Skelton will also struggle and Lindley will get the call around week 10-12. After the season we will have a top 5 pick, cut Kolb, draft a QB and O-line help, and try to throw together a stable offense to go with our talented skill players and young defense. This season is over before it even begins.

  16. By Dynosoar on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Following is for the last four games. Alphabetical with an extra for fun.

    Completions/Attempts – % – Yards – TDs/Int. – QB Rating

    Bartel = 8/13 – 61.5% – 130 – 1/0 – 120.7
    Kolb = 22/37 – 59.5% – 203 – 1/3 – 49.7
    Lindley = 34/66 – 51.5% – 362 – 0/2 – 55.2
    Skelton = 14/25 – 56.0% – 131 – 1/2 – 50.6

    I’ve got to go back over the games, i was sure Lindley had thrown a touchdown (although I do remember the interception thrown in the touchdown.)

    Wow, looking at the numbers and not my feelings after the game, Coach has a more dificult task than I thought. Darren, please tell Coach Whisenhunt I wish him the best in his descision. I can see why it’s a close one.

  17. By BIG RED on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Max Hall your not serious are you. Mike Florio are you crazy or what. His a wimp, well he must be related to Kolb.

  18. By Brad Wheeler on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Skelton and Kolb both need more reps and more time, that is clear, yet the Coach is going to rest them…that will not help us in the opener…

  19. By Dynosoar on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry, I left out the “extra for fun.” It didn’t really add anyting.

    My matra this year, begin with NO and end in NO. That’s my dream and I believe we can do it. Go Batiste, we believe in you.

    Darren, if the stadium in NO is severely dammaged by hurricane Issac, will the SB be moved. Is there ever a backup plan for where a SB is held? Hmmm.

  20. By mrcucu on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    If you had to bet on it, who do the Cards keep: Alfonso Smith or William Powell? Any chance both stay via a spot in special teams?

  21. By Darren Urban on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    mrcucu —

    RE: Smith vs Powell

    I don’t see both staying.

  22. By AndyStandsUp on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Obviously, the QB starter has been decided.
    Wonder if the same for the CB battle and Toler, Adams and Jefferson?

    Massie being first on depth chart is definitely a surprise considering the talk around here; even with the Levi Brown injury.

  23. By Dan on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    What are the numbers for Kevin and John across four games? If possible, could you include points produced?
    Thanks a lot for your great coverage.

  24. By Darren Urban on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Dan —

    RE: Stats

    Kolb: 22-37, 203, 1-3, 49.7 passing rating, 20 points produced
    Skelton: 14-25, 131, 1-2, 40.6 passing rating, 17 points produced

  25. By Rich on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz made his decision a while ago. He is a crafty guy. Kudos to him for making his opponents wonder. And what if there is a trade in the works? He couldn’t say anything until that settled. I’ve learned to have faith in the Coach. he knows what he is doing.

  26. By scubasteve12 on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    is lindley starting with the starting offense? with fitz?

  27. By mc on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Start Skelton….Out of shotgun go 3 wideiw/ the hyphen and williams. Throw on 1st down not on 3rd and 11… Play fast. Go 4 wide w/ Fitz,Floyd, LaRon Byrd and Roberts in slot. Sure fire way for us to go 3-13 is to play Beanie run , run , sack punt. He is a plodding runner, yes he can punish, but for what we have we need to play fast. Kolb cannot and will not stay in pocket and will only scramble right and bad things will happen…. Play out of shotgun allowing Skelton to get rid of it quicker and he can run , “UPFIELD” if he has to……..Any thoughts on this Darren

  28. By Big Red Fan on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Hey . . .where’s Favre? LOL!!!!

  29. By sarah on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    First off we need a left tackle via a trade. We cannot rely on the status quo as Thurs against the Titans reflected. Skelton had no time whatsoever and Kolb faired better with a hurry up and shotgun. It is not acceptable to have a porous offensive line or gaping LT mistakes that kill the QB from making his reads let alone drop back. I say trade Kolb for a LT now that his standing is not pathetic. Skelton looked good with one second protection and two dropped passes that would have altered things, Kolb just runs right at the first flinch of a breakdown.

  30. By john the draft guy on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    When you don’t have a quarterback, it is tough to decide which one to go with……

    Here is my advise to the starter;

    Whoever becomes the guy, take a lesson from Dilfer.

    1) Don’t turn over the ball. Throw it away and punt or take the sack and punt. A punt isnt the worst thing.

    2)Get use to handing off the ball and do it often.

    3)Know who your check downs are and get it to them when the rush is coming. (and it will be coming). positive yards are better than sacks.

    4)Finally, when you need a play, forget looking at roberts, floyd, or doucet. No matter how many players are covering him, throw the ball up for Larry. Just picture the throw against Atlanta in the playoffs in ’08. 3 guys around him as Fitz goes up and catches the TD off the flea flicker. If you throw it up to Larry, either he catches it, gets interferred with, or knocks it down. Take 5-6 shots a game deep to Fitz. We all know, “if you build it, he will come.” well with Fitz it is, “if you throw it deep, he will catch it”

    Kolb, Skelton take notice. You dont need to win the game. But for goodness sake, dont lose it.

  31. By martin leyva on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Just Hope They DON’T TRADE William Powell!!!!!!!!!!!! i would rather let them trade Wells, hes always hurt!!

  32. By Red cards on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Lol why not its not like kolb or Skelton could use more reps , I’m getting sick got to go puke

  33. By georgiebird on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz’ logic once again is faulty. Whiz seems concerned that Sketon or Kolb will do great against Denver’s 2nd and 3rd stringers but the results will be inconclusive.
    As bad as the offense has played this year, it would be great to see them romp on anyone’s 3rd string.
    On the contrary, Whiz, in all his paranoia, would be totally embarrassed if Denver’s subs stopped the Cards’ starters. It would show just how inept the Cards are under Whiz. And over the recent past, Denver’s subs have embarrassed the Cards’ starters in the final pre-season game.

  34. By Kevin S on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    dstock — Does Darren have to capitalize the part where he says Whiz made very clear that Lindley is not in the mix to be the starter? I understand that fans glob onto the alternative guy when the guy (or guys, in this case) that are higher on the depth chart don’t seem to be doing so well. But Lindley isn’t exactly lighting it up — he’s completed exactly one pass over 50% (34 for 66) — admittedly, by the time he’s in there, we’re not playing our top guys, but neither is the defense. The thing is, going in, the knock on Lindley was accuracy — his senior year, his completion percentage was 53.5% — and he had 2 games against cupcakes that were necessary to bolster his average because he had five (!) games under 50%. He hasn’t done anything in the preseason to change that. There is no reason to expect him to be any better than Skelton (another big, strong-armed but inaccurate QB) so why exactly would you throw him out there in Week 1 when you have a guy (Kolb) who was about as good as the league average last year, and another guy (Skelton) who is similar but has 2 years more NFL experience?

  35. By JoseCastillo on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    i totally agree because i’ve only been a cardinals fan for about as long as e. james left the team i was their for the worst i think that they could go but the cardinals are rebuilding. i think if Ryan Lindley does a very good job against the starters for the time that they are in that he should at least get a chance to start. no doubt about that i think he should along with william powell as he also has shown some of his ownshine. all i got to say if they do a great job against von miller and the crew he should start then its up to him if he loses it…

  36. By Kevin S on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    This is one of the stranger articles I’ve seen in a while, though. No decision, but we know enough that we don’t need to see the guys on Thursday… is anything really going to happen in the next 3 days that’s going to change anyone’s mind? I have been fine with Whiz being patient about the decision but I do think at some point you want the QB’s (and the rest of the team) to know… it’s a distraction. Even Seattle figured there’s out and I didn’t think Wilson was even seriously expected to compete with Flynn.

  37. By Walter H Richters on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Nice post. Yep, I’m pleased. The one name I didn’t see is LaRon Byrd. He has outplayed Floyd this preseason. The Oline will take care of itself. The other safety, “little Wilson” ok Fleming. I haven’t heard his name either. I understand Bethel made it. Oh well, we all have favorites. Lindley, Byrd, Fleming, Bethel, and Powell are my picks to make the 53. I’m still high on Byrd and expecially if he gets a start with Lindley in there.

    Your thoughts on Fleming and Powell???????


  38. By beardinals on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    @dstock21CardinalsWINRLOSE A BIG if, seeing as Lindley has been in already and looks like a rookie.

  39. By Bryth on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I honestly hope through some miracle that Lindley destroys the Broncos. Im tired of seeing Kolb running around right after the snap and tired of seeing no progress with Skelton being able to actually start a game well (he does a good job in the last 2 min of the 4th quarter though) Im just frustrated from being dragged through all this QB bullcrap. Fix the Oline and QB situation or the great defense we’ve been building is going to amount to nothing.

  40. By Desert Disaster on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    RIGHT ON! Ditto on all that! Tired of being dragged throught the mud. FIX THE F’N OBVIOUS ISSUES ALREADY!!!! This crap is getting old. I went tk mg draft this week and got to see all my fellow football buds and be the BUTT of all the nfl jokes. All I can respond is humina humina humina humina because I absolutely have nothing to combat with against the verbal “other team” assault. Come on Cards!!! Can ya just give me a lil sweetness!!!

  41. By smack28 on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I have completely lost confidence in this coaching staff. Why would you not announce the starter now if you don’t even plan on playing either one? The rest of the team deserves to know. Hell, the guy starting deserves to know. I think this is a dumb move that will be questioned for the rest of the season when this team wins about four games total.

    Then, Whiz likes Batiste and Massie now at tackles. Really? That was not the case two weeks ago. If I were a Adrian Wilson, Darnell Dockett, or Larry Fitzgerald, I would be extremely disturbed right now at this staff. There is no plan just like there was no plan win Kurt Warner stole the job from Leinhart. The difference here is neither of these QBs could hold Warner’s jock strap.

    Of course, most everyone will give this staff another green light for something that took place years ago. That run ended when Warner retired. This staff has struggled on every front ever since that time.

  42. By Cali Card Fan on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I DON’T GET IT!!! IF Whiz has not decided on a QB wouldn’t it be better to play Kolb or Skelton to give them more time in “game play” instead of “practice play”? No one can hit the QB in practice, how can you tell if Kolb is going to stay in the pocket long enough to make a play when he has no fear of being hit. By Whiz not picking a QB is only going to make our season long and winless again! If the Coach commits early in camp with a QB you stick with them, you work with them, you focus all your energy on solidifying the relationship between the starting QB and the starting receivers. Chemistry is 50% and skill is the other 50%. No wonder the AZ QB accuracy is so bad, they have NO CHEMISTRY with who’s catching. Take a moment and watch Andrew Luck. Rookie QB passing to Reggie Wayne like they have been playing together for years, why? Because the Colt’s coach said, “Andrew your my guy, let’s get to work!” It is sad that every year we have the same out come, NO Commitment to a QB thus No Chemistry. I am glad Fitz signed a contract or he would be walking!!!

  43. By Cactus jeff on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Tell us why Skelton doesn’t have an upside. Bickley is incredulous that MJ thinks Kolb is the starter. MJ implies Skelton isn’t equipped intellectually for the job. You need to clear this up so we fans don’t lose our minds when Kolb is named starter. From our point of view one looks to have an NFL arm, the other doesn’t. You must see it in practice like MJ. Please define the coach speak “INTANGiBlES”, once and for all. Thanks

  44. By Darren Urban on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Cactus —

    RE: Skelton

    I never said Skelton doesn’t have an upside.

  45. By Jay on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Any chance of bringing in Vince Young just for a look? Not saying he can be great, but, I bet he can be signed for the veteran minimum and could be an option if Skelton and Kolb both struggle.
    At least he has been in the league a few years and has started against NFL defenses.

  46. By AzDesertRat1953 on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Well nice to see the rookie QB get his chance to look good. This game could be fun to watch. There are going to be over 75 players total from both sides looking for a job and trying to impress everybody who is watching.

    If Lindley does do Big things against the Broncos, I would say he has #3 QB position locked up, if he hasn’t all ready. I would put Bartel on the practice team and keep Lindley out of harms way until we know for sure that he is as good as he has looked. Also most of us have no idea how he is coping with the mental part of the game.

    One thing is for sure, the kid looks pretty darn good so far, being picked as late as he was in the draft. But as all of us know, the Cards have a knack for getting some nice Gems in the later rounds.

    GO CARDS!!!

  47. By brad oneill on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    lindley to the practice squad, bartel as the number 3 (no one is going to take lindley onto their active roster right now.)

  48. By wnycardfan on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Is this DEJA VU or what? What’s even more sad, is that since we’ve seen it before, it makes it even worse. You can’t (or won’t) name a starter yet??? That to me is TROUBLE big time, and I think we all know it given what we’ve seen so far. Yup, the O line stinks, big time and someone should have lost their job over that at least a year ago. Can’t help it now, season is starting. QB……….hard to find the greatest, but this is Arizona’s 2nd time in this boat in 2- 3 years……..that is pathetic and sad. I am already disappointed. You’ve got 5 rookies starting, all of them looking better (so far) then our 2. I just cant fathom how we are in this position. We’ve got talent, but not in 2 critical areas (OLINE QB). Its like a ship without a rudder. I DO truly hope DEF is as good and better than last years last half. But I believe that will be the only potentially bright spot this season. The rest, will be a disaster of highest magnitude.
    My belief, he’ll name KOLB started (with all the money and nothing really setting them apart, why not) and we’ll see flashes of greatness and of utter poor play. Its not going to be pretty.

  49. By Jonathan on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    You would think it would be beneficial for Kolb and Skelton to get more in game practice even if its just pre-season. I guess I’ll just trust that Whiz knows what he’s doing cuz obviously I’m not a coach. It’s sad to see that Bartel will probably be cut. I still think he should have been the starter a long time ago.

  50. By MC on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Start Skelton….Out of shotgun go 3 wideiw/ the hyphen and williams. Throw on 1st down not on 3rd and 11… Play fast. Go 4 wide w/ Fitz,Floyd, LaRon Byrd and Roberts in slot. Sure fire way for us to go 3-13 is to play Beanie run , run , sack punt. He is a plodding runner, yes he can punish, but for what we have we need to play fast. Kolb cannot and will not stay in pocket and will only scramble right and bad things will happen…. Play out of shotgun allowing Skelton to get rid of it quicker and he can run , “UPFIELD” if he has to……..Any thoughts on this Darren

  51. By Robert H on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I have to agree with you John B, sad but true by week 10 Lindley will be starting and another season of 8-8 or less. Hello, we are not going to be a contender until we get a QB (via draft) I hope, no more pretenders (kolb, Anderson etc)

  52. By Robert H on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Darren if Skelton is name the starter, would you trade Kolb for a middle round pick for 2013, bring in a vet (Mcnabb) to teach Skelton and Lindley the ropes for a year or two?

  53. By Darren Urban on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Robert H –

    RE: QB plan

    Don’t see anyone ponying up for Kolb. And I am discounting from jump any plan that suggests McNabb.

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  56. By Larry Secrest on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    If the Cardinals don’t keep both Lindley and Bartel, which one stays?

    Also, the same question between Smith and Powell? Could The Cards keep Smith on the 53-man roster and try to get Powell on the Practice Squad or is there too big of a chance that another team will try to swoop in to get Powell?

  57. By Sean44 on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I was hoping for a gunslinger sudden death tie breaker match between Kolb and Skelton. Where they alternate series and they are only allowed 4 and 5 WR shotgun sets.. and the best gunslinger starts week 1.

  58. By Sean44 on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I hate that Skelton Statistic.. Heap dropped a huge pass verses the Titans from Skelton. That would have put Skellton with a 1st and 10 on the Titans 11. If Heap didn’t drop that pass, we would be talking about skeleton having a 80 QB rating for the game vs a 20 QB rating.

  59. By jorge on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    i think that so good he is always throw to point the Larry Fitzgerald will catch,Ryan Lindley is also throw far to Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd will be catch in the touchdown this can win do it !

  60. By dean bower on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    The way I see it, judging from the last three years, Whiz is working on a trade. And by the middle of next week if no trade happens, Skelton will be cut! That will be the end of the QB controversy. Whiz To John “Sorry John, you should have thrown the ball to Fitz like we told you to” sad but true. We will lose to the Sea Hawks and the Patriots. Then fade slowly into next years draft with the number four pick and start this all over again next year. Kolb is our savior, yeah right, lol I will believe it when I see it.

  61. By NJAZCardsFan on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz is going to have to select Skelton- The main reason is that he has a quicker release than Kolb. KK will never be a good NFL QB unless he developes a much quicker release. With the porous OL, KK would get sacked more and possibly hurt again.
    One would think KK would learn that as a matter of survival. It seems the Cards as a team plays with more spark with Skelton, than when Kolb is the QB. The reason Kurt was so successful- he could check his receivers and he had a quick accurate release and throw.

  62. By card62 on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I really do not understand our coaches thinking by not playing Kolb and Skelton at least one series against Denver’s second stringers. This might be the only time all season where our OL is close to being equal to the DL we are playing so that we could see what the QBs could do if we actually had an OL.

    Injury does not matter as it is not a question if our starting QB will be knocked out this year it is only a question as to when our QB will be knocked out, and how many reserve QBs will be knocked out.

    I would keep Powell over Smith and Lindley over Bartel.

    HEY Cardinal fans how are you feeling about Stewart Bradley’s play so far this year? I remember several people wanting Bradley cut. I for one think his play is greatly improved this year and I am happy we kept him.

    What position are you fans most concerned about on defense? My biggest defensive concern right now is cornerback and that was not my thinking when training camp started.

    Go Cards and Darren sorry to say it but you are in for another long season with all the rest of us, but it will be harder on you. Keep your inner peace Darren and thank you for all you do for us fans.

  63. By jason marcus on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    sign Vince, might as well, I mean I think he’s a little bit better than Kolb, I hate watching all these teams with there new rookie young guys lighting it up, and meanwhile we have 3 stepchildren , we are only 3 years from when we had an elite offense and it feels like the coaching staff dosnt have a sense of urgency,either way go whiz ,go freakn CARDS!

  64. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Doug Flutie is available . lol. Calm down people. Let the coaching staff do what they need to do. The owners have given the coaches the rope to hang themselves and the coaches are doing just that. Let the games begin and see what happens before you pull the drop chord. We still have to play the games. Seattle’s first. Let’s see what happens. I’m not crazy about the coaching staff but we have to roll with our team. If we have another failure of a season, then hopefully the oweners will fire the staff. But what happens if this all comes together and it works out. We don’t know yet. No one knows. It looks bad becuase we are watching our team and we know our team better than the rest of the league. But if you really look around the league, There are plenty of teams that have troubles. All we need to do as fans is support our players and hope the coaching staff can put together a winner. I know they are trying there best. No coach likes to lose. And no coach ever plans on losing. So let’s see if we can get passed Seattle and then on to week two. One game at a time. its a long season. We have enough talent to make some noise. Now all the team has to do is go out on the field and execute. And for all you winers. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO THE QB IS OR WHEN HE IS ANNOUNCED. What matters is when he is announce, we get behind him as fans and support him, the team and the coaching staff.

  65. By Kenneth on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    What about looking at Vince Young who was cut today?

  66. By tygrbass on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think coach W needed to point out that there is no way Lindley is going to start regardless of how he plays. That is not a very good way to motivate a rookie QB and get the most out of him. Every one should be competing for a starting job even the third string QB.

  67. By Born n Bred on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Kolb is the starter.. He just needs too find comfort and he will get it in a finally balaced O with Beanie and Lil Swisher sweetness featuring the O.. with Fitz finding Big Plays..
    Honestly i still am a Lienart fan and think if he had This Offensive style we finally have taken on, he would thrive and we would thrive. I hope that holds true for Kolb..

    I like seeing the OC and the QBC doing all the talking round..

    Really who worries about this D… im not gonna even concern myself if they hit a slump, cause it wont last long

    cant wait

  68. By cardsalltheway on Aug 27, 2012 | Reply

    Bartel = 8/13 – 61.5% – 130 – 1/0 – 120.7
    Kolb = 22/37 – 59.5% – 203 – 1/3 – 49.7
    Lindley = 34/66 – 51.5% – 362 – 0/2 – 55.2
    Skelton = 14/25 – 56.0% – 131 – 1/2 – 50.6

    It’s obvious, Bartel should get cut and K. Kolb should start. Not.

  69. By Brad Wheeler on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    MC: you are spot on

  70. By Dan on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for those stats Darren. It seems to me it is fair to subtract from Kevin’s 20 points his safety and his interception returned for a touchdown, which would bring him down to 11 points.

  71. By Msdmf on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    I have simply made up my mind and I think you should have as well… let’s watch the first regular season game and check the guys gameplanning, with whomever QB is, after that, load your guns and start firing at whom shall be fired.

  72. By clssylssy on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    What began as an exciting season full of promise has turned into another year of being the laughing stock of the league…very discouraging. This team is rich with talent and good coaches but something is again getting in the way…I have to assume it is organizational politics. Stats say nothing because they don’t include such things as playing time and important intangibles such as leadership, ability to make decisions, ability to read the field, time it takes to get rid of the ball, physical toughness and ability to take a hit. Rich Bartel has been a consistent backup and works on his game in the off season with Fitz at Camp Fitzgerald and is dependable…which should count for alot. Lindley is talented without question, and I’m thinking the start against the Broncos has more to do with deciding who will get the third slot than anything worthy of headlines. This game is really just the “Finals” for the “Tryouts” for the team, and as such not a big deal except for those looking to win a job. The roster will be cut on Friday and there is nothing we as fans can do but hang on, hope for the best, and ride it out again. We go through this every year and it is what it is. I do have to admire the Saints, who despite all the drama of the off season…right or wrong… now without their coaches, are managing to go out and DO THEIR JOBS winning games. I believe that the Cards have more positives than negatives and even Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers would struggle in Arizona. IF Kolb is named as Starter and another team wanted Skelton would the Cards give him up to pursue a better career opportunity(like they were willing to do if Horton got the Head Coach job in St.Louis)?

  73. By Marcelof on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply


    Just a petty curiosity,from Fitz’s Last season 1400 + yards, how many was thrown by Skelton ? and Kolb? and the TD’s?

    Thanks in advance

  74. By Darren Urban on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    Marcel —

    RE: Fitz QB Breakdown

    I’d have to research that and right now, frankly, I don’t have the time.

  75. By Larry Secrest on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    Marcel –

    To make it fair, I added Rich Bartel’s numbers as well.

    QB REC / YARDS / TDs / % of Completions to Fitz

    KEVIN 38 / 658 / 2 / 26%

    JOHN 41 / 730 / 5 / 27%

    RICH 1 / 23 / 1 / 10%

  76. By sarah on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    I had to laugh at the Doug Flutie comment above and it reminded me of the Buffalo quarterback machination they had between Flutie and Rob Johnson back in the 90’s . It started off amicably between them and then turned into a nightmare as Flutie started to outperform the highly paid Rob Johnson. I am hoping that this is not what we have brewing between Kolb and Skelton, the latter has proven himself in regular season the former not. Waiting for Kolb to stabilize in regular season is beyond risky, I say it is Skelton and trade Kolb. It is not cool to have season ticket holders pay to watch a floundering overpaid and overhyped quarterback learn the system or adjust, last year was a disaster salvaged by the defence and Skelton’s last quarter heroics. Can we move on ?

  77. By mc on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    And another thing…..Just not sold on Beanie. He carries himself like he is an established sucessful NFL back. I mean great game aginst the 2-14 Rams, but the 1000 yd season is just not that big off a deal anymore. Would love to see him A) Stay healthy B) Get a little humble and C) maybe follow L’il sweetness lead in the work ethic department. Would love to see him when we have a lead in the 2nd half with fresh legs, but honestly, give me a big dose of the hyphen and ryan Willliams in shot gun sets…te chipping to help and 3 wide sets. Please whiz, i hope u have just been bluffing…….

    this was previous post, meant to elaborate on Beannie but tome didn’t permit. Go Red ! :

    Start Skelton….Out of shotgun go 3 wide w/ the hyphen and Williams. Throw on 1st down not on 3rd and 11… Play fast. Go 4 wide w/ Fitz,Floyd, LaRon Byrd and Roberts in slot. Sure fire way for us to go 3-13 is to play Beanie run , run , sack punt. He is a plodding runner, yes he can punish, but for what we have we need to play fast. Kolb cannot and will not stay in pocket and will only scramble right and bad things will happen…. Play out of shotgun allowing Skelton to get rid of it quicker and he can run , “UPFIELD” if he has to……..Any thoughts on this Darren

  78. By Marcelof on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    that’s definetly not important, thanks anyway for the response.

    And congratulations for the blog and for being always answering fans doubts, that’s a noble behavior of yours.

  79. By sarah on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    Seahawks Coach Pete Carroll Explains Why Matt Flynn Is Getting Paid $26 Million To Sit On The Bench
    Tony Manfred | Aug. 28, 2012, 3:31 PM | 1,342 | 3



    Earlier this week, Pete Carroll named third-round draft pick Russell Wilson the starting quarterback over free agent Matt Flynn, who signed with Seattle on a three-year, $26-million deal last spring.
    Given the salary disparity, Carroll seems to have it all backwards. But he went on ESPN Radio today and gave a fantastic explanation for his thinking. We bolded the good parts (via PFT):
    “That’s the price of free agency. That’s the market. The market was driven there and we had to pay that price to get the player to come to our program and I said to you two that that doesn’t matter to me. I don’t want that to matter to me. We understand there is a thought about that, but as a coach I’m doing this for the competitive reasons in the fact that come out and if a guy gets paid more and he’s playing backup he better be a pretty good backup. He better play well and better perform well, so I don’t think any fan out there would want me to make a decision based on how much a guy is getting paid. You want the best guy at that time to play for us and that’s exactly how I see it. We are going to keep standing up for that. I’m not trying to make any statements. That’s just the facts.”
    Well put.

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  80. By Rocky on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    Someone said laughing stock….. the commentators on espn were sure having a time with WHIZ this morning..31 teams have picked their starting qbs.. only one hold out… Ken Whiz.. laughing they said what is he trying to accomplish??
    can we start a petion drive for Mr. Bidwell to please do something about this farce called a head coach..This is professional football..not pop warner..
    I wonder if Whiz is not a EGO MANIAC.. he sure likes the lime light… but could someone please tell him … not all publicity… is GOOD publicity.. we are the laughing stock of the NFL.. I love this team… Im from S. Illinois… 51 years old..seen many games in busch stadium.. seen AWFUL teams… onership that did not want to win..seen some exciting games ( cardiac Cards ) had my heart ripped out when they moved to AZ.. DIVORCED THIS TEAM FOR A FEW YEARS..LOL.. BUT i CAN NOT HELP IT… I AM A CARDINAL FAN!!! THROUGH THICK OR THIN.. please somebody… this really hurts… GET US A PROFESSIONAL HEAD COACH… that understands the preseason is about continuity… timing…familiarity.. with the scheme… and a starter…PLEASE. practice will decide… man oh man…what can 2 more days of 7 on 7 show you… oh yeah.. i forgot.. there is a walk thru also.. i dont see many ..IN WHIZ WE TRUST ANYMORE,,,, I WONDER HOW MR. BIDWELL FEELS.. CAN SOMEONE GET ME AN ADDRESS FOR MR. BIDWELL..

  81. By wonderingwhy on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    I just barfed……….. I can’t believe that we are in the same situation as last year with our QB and O-line. Everybody in our division has gotten better except us. We have 2 backup QB’s at best a rookie and Bartel which is overlooked. Our O-line is in shambles again. Whiz what the hell were you thinking? You have got to be kidding me. I am not worried about your decision to play Kolb because he will be on the bench 7 minutes into the first game with an injury that will put him out for 8 weeks. That leaves Skelton who is very inconsistent and can’t seem to find the wide open Larry half the time.

    Whiz you should be ashamed of yourself for wasting Larry’s time with this whole QB situation. You owe him an apology if you haven’t already apologized.
    As much as I love Larry you need to get him a QB or let him go finish his career with a team that will get him the numbers he deserves. He is awesome and does not deserve this second rate play and the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff. Absolutely ridiculous.

  82. By Darren Urban on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    wondering —

    RE: Numbers Fitz deserves

    You do realize Fitz had more than 1,400 yards receiving last year, right?

  83. By Andreas on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    This is the stats for the first 3 preason games, lets take a look when Lindley had the start with the 1st team. Bartel’s stats aint bad either, he does stand for to long time in the pocket, making him more vunerable for sacks.

    Player Att Comp Yds C% Avg TD TD% Int Int% Lg Sck SckYds Rate
    Ryan Lindley 66 34 362 51.5 5.5 0 0.0 2 3.0 31 3 31 55.2
    Kevin Kolb 37 22 203 59.5 5.5 1 2.7 3 8.1 53 6 39 49.7
    John Skelton 25 14 131 56.0 5.2 1 4.0 2 8.0 22 2 15 50.6
    Richard Bartel 13 8 130 61.5 10.0 1 7.7 0 0.0 32 7 48 120.7

  84. By cobra on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply


    RE: ESPN on the Cards and Coach Whiz:

    Can you say, east coast idiots? (Chris Berman) to start. Talk about a joke. They don’t have a clue as to what the Cards orginzation does. It’s mostly here say. They just ran out of reasons to talk abouit the Jets.

    As for the decision of not naming the starting QB, some of us agree, better to make Seattle wait. We have it hard enough trying to piece together an OL.

  85. By Kevin S on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    Did I just read someone above ask about whether, if Kolb gets the starting job, would the Cards give up Skelton to pursue a better opportunity? Does someone think that the other NFL teams are waiting to get Skelton? Folks, this isn’t like we have Steve Young backing up Joe Montana or Aaron Rodgers backing up Brett Favre. I don’t think Skelton wins the starting job over any of the 31 other named starting QB’s, so what better opportunity is there? If everyone is convinced Kolb won’t last beyond game 5 either because he’ll suck or get hurt, Skelton’s best opportunity even if Kolb gets the job is right here.

  86. By Sherm on Aug 28, 2012 | Reply

    Kolb will start, get hurt (like the past 3 years) and loose his starting job, Skelton will be the replacement, struggle the Lindley shows his stuff for real. Lindley is young, but looks way better than the rest.

  87. By Sarah on Aug 29, 2012 | Reply

    This says it all.

    Whatever is causing it, Kolb’s skittishness in the pocket and inability to drop the hammer on the big throw under pressure — these are tendencies that were just as visible in his time with the Philadelphia Eagles as they are now. But the Eagles’ second-round pick in 2007 was able to parlay a limited number of starts with a juiced-up, pass-friendly offense into a huge deal with the Cardinals. It appears that general manager Rod Graves and head coach Ken Whisenhunt ignored one of the NFL’s key truisms — that you must seek to match quarterback and scheme at all times. Warner also spoke about this.
    “In Philly, they run much less of a timing-oriented offense,” he said. “Maybe he’s more used to seeing things develop, watching guys come open and then throwing it. In [Arizona’s] offense, that’s tough because you’ll be late on a lot of throws.

    Start Skelton, he won for us last year, Kolb lost ! Why would we pick a guy who won two games ?

  88. By Sarah on Aug 29, 2012 | Reply

    Kurt Warner “I see the same thing I saw last year,” Warner said. “I see a guy who hasn’t been able to grasp the system enough to slow the game down, or he doesn’t have confidence in what he’s seeing. Maybe he understands what the offense is asking him to do, but the game is going too fast, and he’s not pulling the trigger.”

    From the start of last year all the way thru preseason this year we have the same, why would the Cardinals continue to wait for Kolb to develop into what they paid for ? Skelton won for us last year and is a gamer, he also handles the pressure better than Kolb per Tennessee vs Kolb’s Oakland game ( got the ball out faster and two drops of ten passes, those catches would have made him 6 for ten and a potential touchdown). Skelton has upside and Kolb is exposed as being in the wrong offensive scheme, He cannot stretch the field and runs around like a CFL quarterback with a much smaller playing space. He reminds me a a bad Jeff Garcia, the latter had far more toughness and moxie.

  89. By Born n Bred on Aug 29, 2012 | Reply

    This is not the same Offense anymore.. does no one see this.. there is a big difference in shot gun identity and under center identity..for one the notion that u could run any time when under center but when in gunn roles are flipped.. Things are asked differently of lineman.. Now this is a new system to some degree, coaches wont say that cause the causal fan will hang them.. Kolb And Skelton believe it or not are leanring all over again in another fashion.. WR just run routes and some read limited coverage, its not too hard..

    Warner is not an insider for me, cause whens the last time this O ran a pass play out of gunn that was a 15-18 dig to Larry.. Last years pre-season really

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