Cards cut to 53

Posted by Darren Urban on August 31, 2012 – 4:52 pm

The key point anytime a team gets to the 53-man roster on final cuts is this: It’s never quite the final roster. That’s something to keep in mind when looking over the Cards’ cuts today, which leaves an unbalanced roster for now.

The team decided not to move tackle Levi Brown off of injured reserve, leaving 22 cuts to be made:

Injured reserve — RB Javarris James (knee), QB Rich Bartel (shoulder)

Waived-injured – LB Brandon Williams (shoulder), WR Stephen Williams (Achilles)

Released – CB Crezdon Butler, LB Antonio Coleman, S Blake Gideon, LB Clark Haggans, G Russ Hochstein, DT Ricky Lumpkin, LB Colin Parker, CB Larry Parker, WR DeMarco Sampson, TE Steve Skelton, RB Alfonso Smith, LB Quan Sturdivant, DE Ronald Talley, DE Everrette Thompson, TE Martell Webb, C Scott Wedige, WR Isaiah Williams, T D.J. Young.

So this is what we get out of this:

— The Cardinals cut Sampson and Stephen Williams, leaving five receivers and undrafted LaRon Byrd (pictured below) as No. 5.

— OLB Quentin Groves makes the cut but both Clark Haggans and Brandon Williams are out – you’d have to think another linebacker is on the way.

— Right now, the Cards have 11 defensive backs and nine offensive linemen, and you figure one or the other, if not both, will be trimmed down. All three OL draft picks are on the squad right now. The defensive backs will have to come down if you are looking for a place to cut to add at another position. In my guess at 53, I had guessed six WRs and eight OL, and the Cards took one from receiver to add to the line. And they took one of eight linebacker slots and added it to the 10 defensive back spots, so I was kind of close. We’ll see how it shakes out.

— Running back William Powell indeed makes the team too.

— This group probably won’t be the exact group that hits the practice field Monday. That’s the cold reality of the NFL.

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104 Responses to “Cards cut to 53”

  1. By jeffgollin on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    I count 6 WRs – Fitz, Doucet, Roberts and Floyd plus Byrd and Isaac Williams (unless I didn’t see Williams among the cuttees).

  2. By Darren Urban on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    jeffgollin —

    RE: I Williams

    Isaiah Williams was released.

  3. By Al on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply


    When do we find out about the practice squad?

    I hope Giddeon, Sampson and Sturdivant make it there.

    Also it’s a shame about Haggans, his leadership will be missed.

  4. By Darren Urban on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Al —

    RE: practice squad

    They can begin to be put together tomorrow afternoon. Sampson is not eligible.

  5. By Mary bone on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Thank goodness they kept william powell, I do beleive he will be an outstanding addittion to our team……

  6. By scott on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    What is the difference between getting released versus waived-injured. Why waive the injured player if you could put them on IR.

  7. By Darren Urban on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Scott —

    RE: Waived-injured

    If a player is waived injured, the team and the player try to get together and decide how long their injury would last and come up with a monetary settlement based on that. If a player is on IR, he gets paid for the whole season.

  8. By Ashley Cagle on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    So if Skelton was announced as starting QB earlier, but now is released, who is starting?

  9. By Azcardinal gal on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    It was not John Skelton the QB cut.

  10. By tony jackowiak on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Steve skelton!!!!! Jon skelton is our qb he was not cut hes still on the team

  11. By chevy on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    I assume you’re just kidding. Skelton was cut. But not the QB. It was his little brother, Steven, the TE.

  12. By manny on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    S skelton (tight end) was released not john skelton (qb) they are brothers

  13. By gabe on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    They cut Steve skelton…. jon skeltons brother.

  14. By Brent on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Lol- STEVE Skelton was cut.. He is QB John Skelton’s brother. We did not cut the guy we just named starting QB.

  15. By Edward on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Skelton wasn’t released. His brother, a tight end, was released.

  16. By Trev Keeling on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Steve Skelton got cut, not John Skelton. Not sure if there is any relation.

  17. By faulty on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    If you looked a little closer you would notice it was tight end Steve Skelton and not qb John Skelton.

  18. By Anthony on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    It’s his brother. He is a tight end

  19. By Joe on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    there were 2 Skeltons on the team. Steve skelton was released.

  20. By cdj on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Darren were there any players who surprised you by them being released? if i had to pick i think it would be young and haggans

  21. By sqhead on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Nice, no problem with any of the cuts, hope they can get Gideon on the practice squad, and Quan also if he is still eligible, looked to me like he was starting to get it this year.

    Now they have to somehow replace Feely, I know he is a popular guy in the locker room, but he is past his prime. Can’t make field goals when they count, and can’t kick through the end-zone. If he was able to kick it through the end-zone, that Bronco would have never had the chance to run it back. You have to be able to take advantage of the new kick off rule, and Feely can’t.

    Thanks again Darren for putting up with guys like me!

  22. By rdixon50 on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply


    Which of those released are not eligible for the practice squad?

  23. By Darren Urban on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    rdixon —

    RE: Not PS eligible

    Off the top of my head, I think it’d be Haggans, Hochstein, Sampson, Smith.

  24. By dakota on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    cars need to make the 53 roster to 17 in 0 to win season and playoffs in to supperbow this year pleace call me and i know 53 roster to win 17 0 and to supperbow pleace call me go cardinals

  25. By Aron on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    @jeffgollin, the WR was Isaiah Williams, and he did get cut. 2nd from the last name on this list above.

  26. By georgiebird on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    The Cards did a good job today. A more settled team may pick up one of our WR or DB cuts but we kept the guys that made sense.

  27. By jmh1982 on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply


    Steve Skelton Tight End was the one that was cut not John Skelton the QB.

  28. By Lixto on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    what about another ex steeler, i know know but this cant actually work, atleast kick the tires with Trai Essex he was cut too….make it happen pitt to az connection lol

  29. By jmh1982 on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply


    Steve Skelton the Tight End was the one that got cut not John Skelton the QB.

  30. By CJ on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, Why isn’t Sampson eligible? Also any word on an O-lineman thats availbable that was cut from another team?

  31. By Darren Urban on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    CJ —

    RE: Sampson on PS

    A player is not eligible if he was active for nine or more games in a previous NFL season. Sampson was last season.

  32. By nodavis2000 on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    I am surprised they didn’t keep 5 WRs, but I think that just tells us all how dedicated we will be this year to the run game.

    I’m surprised that Young was let go. I guess they’re thinking that Bridges can play emergency back up for both Tackles.
    It’s been good Haggans. Although I think you’ve been good against the run, my guess is that they let you go cuz of the rushing the passer part of your game that has declined.
    I also liked that they kept Byrd and Powell. Those were GOOD decisions!

  33. By Farley Malorrus on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    It’s about DEFENSE, and LUCK. IF Skelton gets blocking, and we have a RUNNING GAME< maybe SUPER BOWL?

    THE DEFENSE IS HOT, good luck cards….Like the way it looks.

  34. By michelle on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    @Ashley, that was QB Skeltons brother trying out at TE I believe. @sqhead, what are you talking about? That kick was in the end zone and was ran back for 103 yards!

  35. By JohnfromOz on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Said it before, will say it again…Cardinals will never progress while current coach is at the helm.
    Poor team building decisions, lack of obvious direction and the team has been in full speed reverse for the last two seasons.
    They SHOULD have won a Superbowl under Warner, SHOULD have continued to improve. Winning half of your season’s games is not improvement, even with a very ordinary start and fair finish.
    Sorry Cards – you are on a long, very slippery slide.

  36. By Justin Mork on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    I’m sorry you guys had to Cut Center Scott Wedige in my opinion he has starter potential, I believe the cardinals have made a big mistake on releasing him. Please do what you can to keep him in NFL because he is that good.

  37. By Nick on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Ashley, STEVE SKELTON was released, NOT JOHN SKELTON.

    Steve Skelton is a TE, who was an undrafted rookie FA signed to the team in 2011. He was invited to camp again in 2012.

    John Skelton was drafted in 2010 by the Arizona Cardinals.

  38. By luke on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    laron byrd and william powwell will be huge for this team. plus i’ve been waiting for the day john starts.

  39. By Reno on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Disappointed that quan Sturdivant didnt make the team.Sure hope they can put him on practice Squad…If its still available to him.

  40. By Rio on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Willaim Powell may be one of tjhe best by the end of this season.
    If he gets the playing time.

  41. By Stewart Badly on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    OLB Vernon Gholston was cut by the Rams , if we pick him up Ray Horton may resurrect his career just like he did with Quentin Groves, another high draft pick that was label as a bust and has looked pretty good in this pre-season. take Vernon

  42. By NJAzCardsFan on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Ashley Cagle- Steve Skelton/TE was cut. He is John Skelton (the starting QB’s) younger brother.

    I was suprised Sampson was cut. Is Steve Williams going on the practice Squad?

  43. By curtis on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Homeboy Big Vonnie is still balling after 15 yrs. in the league! This should be a lesson for the younger players. If you take care of your body, your body will take care of you! Great job Big Vonnie you made us proud back in Camden SC.

  44. By Jeff on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    We traded Jefferson to the Vikes?

  45. By Cards391 on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Like all the cuts except Giddeon, hopefully he ends up on Practice Squad. Quan would also be nice on the Practice squad, but I also agree on Feely w/ Squead. He has been far too inconsistant for us and last season I believe he missed 1 or 2 against the skins and 1 or 2 against the seahawks that cost us those games, meaning we probably would have been wildcard eligible. I was hoping we would pick up Rackers again, I like his leg and his accuracy and was a fan while he was here.

  46. By WilyB on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    As a Card’s fan, I’m an optimist by nature. But I’m a bit concerned about our O-line. With 2 new tackles I see our QB scrambling a lot. Maybe that’s why John Skelton was given the nod. The Defense looks pretty good, in particular the linebacker play looks better than last year and A Dub looks to be in prime condition.

    Darren: Do you think the Cards would trade Kolb for a T?

  47. By Darren Urban on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    WilyB —

    RE: Kolb

    Kevin isn’t going anywhere.

  48. By ak24 on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    We need to check out Ryan Harris! He just got cut from the Broncos. No idea what he looks like now, but he’s always looked solid when I’ve seen him play.

  49. By andrew on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    his brother was cut

  50. By supamonkey on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply


    Do you have any news about what we got in return for AJ Jefferson?

  51. By Darren Urban on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    supmonkey —

    RE: Jefferson trade

    I’m hearing draft pick possibly, but I don’t know for sure.

  52. By Andy on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Who will take AJ Jeferson’s spot now that he is traded to the Vikings. What did we even get for Jefferson

  53. By AB on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Ashley Cagle

    John Skelton’s brother, tight end Steve Skelton, was released.

  54. By Jason on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Ashley, ask the man in your life questions before posting. Urban had to take a walk before deciding not to respond.

    Go cards. 8-8….

    The QB situation is an issue. We paid Kolb to be he man, the line has to protect him for a true evaluation of talent.

  55. By Larbo on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply


  56. By in fitz we trust on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    aj jefferson traded for “unknown” to the vikings??…. im glad were making a splash to better our team. i hear theres draft picks involved. i wonder who were trying to nab

  57. By Evan on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Darren – Think there will be any interest in picking up McCown or Hightower since they were both released by other teams today? Thanks for your (continued) patience and the (continuous) stream of information. It’s appreciated.

  58. By Darren Urban on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Evan —

    RE: McCown/Hightower

    I would love to have either come back. Both are two of the best guys I’ve ever had the pleasure to cover. But no, neither are coming back.

  59. By dan on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Thank God that Haggans was cut……..he’s been done for years…….finally. About time Whiz pulled his head out of his yam planter. Now we need to find a decent veteran OT and maybe a decent backup QB cuz Kolb shows he is pretty much happy with being a backup. Kafka wouldn’t be a bad choice or even Hoyer but I’d prefer Kafka, doubt we would make that move though.

  60. By dan on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Nice to see Powell and Big Byrd make the team……he’s a keeper and what a deal.

  61. By Mark on Aug 31, 2012 | Reply

    Report: A.J. Jefferson Traded To Vikings For Draft Pick’s,Meaning Money Mike Yet Has Survived Another Season With The Cardinal’s 🙂

  62. By sqhead on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    @michelle, learn what “through” the end-zone means.

  63. By AZcatsNcards (Mike) on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    I see the Cardinals bringing back Haggans unless another LB from another team that looks really good becomes available. So I wouldn’t worry about that, RIght now it’s just part of the strategy game of the NFL that a lot of fans don’t know about. It’s Vegas time the next few days for NFL teams. Like AZ many teams kept too many of one position betting on getting trade offers etc. and that another NFL team would be very interested in a player they kept. But, a lot of times it bites them in the @$$ as a player they cut thinking no interest was out there or not enough and then that player signs with another team and the player they kept in his place gets no action from other teams and ITS ALL FUN FOR ME!

  64. By dan on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    So Bartel read the fine print and took a dive?

  65. By D-Rock on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    Is it me or did Ryan Lindley look allot better than Skelton and Kolb? That much raw talent and we are starting an inconsistent Skelton? By all means I hope Skelton can pull through and take us to the playoffs but the situation seems scary. Lets make it happen Cardinals!!!

  66. By Ed on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    What about the o line? Settled or more work?

  67. By Darren Urban on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ed —

    RE: OLine

    We’ll see what happens over the weekend. But I expect, right now, for them to go with what they have in Week 1 at least.

  68. By DORRITO on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    I think it’s funny people are chiding Ashley for not reading enough, but then there are 50 other posters telling her the same thing. Maybe they should have read before they posted as well 😉

    Thanks for the info Darren. Disappointing about Bartel. He looked so good there till the sack injury.

  69. By Scott H on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    John From Oz

    Hate to say it but my pessimistic side generally agrees with. I really do not dislike Whiz as much as many of my posts may indicate that I do. But it occured to me recently that it was essentially Kurt Warner that fueled this teams’ brief run of success from 2007 through 2009. Well, given that Warner was inherited from the previous regime and Whiz just happened to walk right into his late-career reinassance…and given that the QB position has been a perpetual mess since the day Warner left town…it does beg the question of what would Whiz’ track record actually look like here if had NOT been for Warner??? I suspect it would be nowhere near what it is.

  70. By Darren Urban on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Whiz without Warner

    Fair point. But let me ask you this: What would Belichick’s record be without Brady? Payton without Brees? This is how this works.

  71. By Adrian Z on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    why did they cut isaiah williams hes a good WR c”mon management why you gota let him go he did well against the broncos

  72. By CreditCard on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    This is why I think Grimm is clueless: DJ Young was auditioned as starting left tackle, 1-week later he is released. Grimm has no clue as to Young’s development, other than throwing him in as raw meat. It destroyed Young’s career, and it did not allow the Cards to evaluate other offense players. simply very poor coaching and evaluating during practice sessions

  73. By phoenix phantom on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    Alright everyone, Ashley is now aware it was Steve Skelton and not John. Would you stop with your redundant posts, we all get the point. GAWD!!!! Sometimes reading this blog you would think people were in jr. high. Give it a rest already…

  74. By john the draft guy on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    you wrote, “I am surprised they didn’t keep 5 WRs, but I think that just tells us all how dedicated we will be this year to the run game.”

    Fitz, Byrd, Doucet, Floyd, and Roberts makes 5.

    Stewart Badly,
    Vernon Gholston is done. If Jeff Fisher and Rex Ryan cant make you productive, you cant play.

    I completely agree with you. Ashley, we all miss something. no big deal. Heck, look how many times Darren has been asked if Kolb will be traded.

    Scott and Darren,
    Billichek was 5-14 with the pats over his first 19 games. Then Brady came in. I dont think a coach can win in todays NFL without a QB. I guess Alex Smith would be the best argument against me, but Smith was a first overall pick who had a different OC everyyear. He could just be hitting his stride.

  75. By clssylssy on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    Good point Darren about Kurt not being solely responsible for Coach’s success and the comparison to other Coach/QBs. Also, folks are quick to forget the other important pieces to that winning team of 2008…Haley, Boldin, Dansby, Rogers-Cromartie, Rackers, Hightower, Letui, Breaston, Beisel…pretty much all but about five or six players… It’s a new era, fans need to get over it and move on. Rebuilding is not an overnight PROCESS…LOL!

  76. By nodavis2000 on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren, I have a quick question. There was an article on about all the roster cuts from all 32 teams. Each player that was picked up by a team was highlighted and showed which team picked them up. I went through them and the Cards picked up a DE, Jamaal Westerman. Would you be able to confirm if this is accurate info??? Do we have him or not???
    I don’t know who he is, but you know how trustworthy is… (Not much!!!)

  77. By Darren Urban on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    nodavis —

    RE: Westerman

    No official announcement yet, but I assume it to be true.

  78. By E.F.Huddle on Sep 1, 2012 | Reply

    Steve Skelton was placed on the practice squad last year and was activated to the team once during season and then placed back on practice squad. I would think that He and John have a good Qb to TE relationship, as both played at Fordham
    Uiversity together for 2years.I would have liked to see them light it up.They were a good combo at Fordham! Do the cards want to avoid this or just dont care?

  79. By Darren Urban on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    EF Huddle —

    RE: Steve Skelton

    The brother thing is not a consideration.

  80. By JohnfromOz on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H –
    RE: Whiz without Warner
    Fair point. But let me ask you this: What would Belichick’s record be without Brady? Payton without Brees? This is how this works.

    Darren – at least the two coaches mentioned actually HAVE records. To date the current Cardinals coach does not………

  81. By Darren Urban on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    JohnfromOz —

    RE: “records”

    I have no idea what you mean.

  82. By Scott H on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    I hear you. But let me point out that when Brady was lost for the season in the opening game of the 2008 season, they brought in a guy named Matt Cassell and went ( I believe ) 11-5. Of the many coaches you could name for this line of reasoning, I would say Belichick is the exception. Brady is as good as it gets in the modern era but I think Belichick would still win without him.

    However, that does not solve OUR problem…

    What odds would you give to us seeing Lindley playing for this team before the end of the season?

  83. By Darren Urban on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Cassell, Lindley

    I knew you’d argue the 2008 season, and that was impressive. But I’d also say the Pats played a down NFC West that year, and I’m confident Belichick would be nowhere near his current status without a QB like Brady. If you recall, the Pats didn’t even make the playoffs that year, so while they did go 11-5, it was what it was. Everyone in the AFC did well that year.

    As for Lindley, the only way he plays is if this season goes way, way bad.

  84. By AJW3 on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Okay people………Let’s get a real good look at Skelton before we get on the Lindley bandwagon. Skelton has the it factor and as his confidence builds you will see that he is the right choice.

  85. By clssylssy on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Just saw where 9ers were getting ready to sign Clark Haggins….dang! Man, I hate it when our league rivals get our players! That’s what sucks so bad about this time of year. I guess it is sort of a left handed complement that the 9ers would want to pick up somebody we cut. At the same time Clark was a good player with the Cards and I guess I just can’t understand why anybody would want to go to the 9ers from here…I guess a job is a job…but still??? the 9ers??? really??? 🙁

  86. By Bill B on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Why did Grimm cut Russ Hochstein?, the Patriots won two Super Bowls with his blocking. He also plays center and was really opening holes for the backs.

  87. By Darren Urban on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Bill B —

    RE: Hochstein

    Never moved up the depth chart.

  88. By card62 on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    i agree with Adrian Z in that i would not have cut # 80, I Williams. I know he messed up on the interception, but he has looked good to me this year. We keep Money Mike a guy we know can not play and cut someone who has potential to be good. I do not understand how we keep 4 tight ends. The Patriots I could see as they actually pass to the tight ends, but us no way. How many other teams keep 4 tight ends on their 53 man rosters?

    To Scott H. Probability of Lindley seeing the field this year as long as he is not injured in practice or falling in the shower is 100%. Probability of Skelton and Kolb being injured this year and missing time is 100 %.

    I do like Lindley and look forward to watching him develop and I am glad Skelton was named starter and will root for him to do well and survive this season.

    Go Cards

  89. By Derrick Haskan on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Whizz better do a good job or get out and rod graves

  90. By we is veritas on Sep 2, 2012 | Reply

    Skelton is way better than most quarterbacks in the NFL. He will be a star if he stays healthy and is given a chance by the coaches.

    cards will surprise many

  91. By JohnfromOz on Sep 3, 2012 | Reply

    Re records – Belichick and and Payton actually have pretty successful records…..the Cardinals coach unfortunately only has “could have beens”, “should have beens and “never weres” to brag about.
    Without Warner the Cardinals “were and are less than good.
    The coach is ordinary, his team shifts between mediocre and ordinary.

    Hence, he has a bloody ordinary record.

  92. By William Barry on Sep 3, 2012 | Reply

    I’m glad william powell made the roster, he can spell Beanie–also I hope Blake Gidegon makes the practice squad, along with DeMarco Sampson.

    Darren, will blake and Demarco be on the practice squad?????

    I really wish that TE Skelton, could make the practice squad. He does make good plays, when called upon.

  93. By haansel82 on Sep 3, 2012 | Reply

    Josh Johnson who was released by SF is better than Skelton and Kolb hands down. Sign Johnson and then go get Rosenfels as your backup and you will finally have something to look forward to in the passing game.

  94. By jmh1982 on Sep 3, 2012 | Reply

    @William Barry

    Sampson isn’t practice squad eligible because he spent too much time on the active roster last year. Steve Skelton is on the practice squad.

  95. By Mr. Miller on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Why are there so many negative comments on coach Whiz??? Have you all forgot that it was him that gave Kurt Warner the opportunity to shine?? If you don’t believe in coach Whiz then you shouldn’t call yourself a Cardinals fan. Coach Whiz has given us Cards fans hope and future, has a .500 record with the Cards, is that not good, knowing what the Cards have been over the years prior. Wake up people and stop hating!

  96. By Scott H on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Mr Miller –

    So, it was Whiz who gave warner the opportunity to shine? Really, dude?? Like Matt Leinart was really going to win and keep the starting job the way Warner was playing??? My God, man, are you for real? Matt Leinart was a little boy playing beside a REAL man in Kurt Warner and I don’t think it took a genius to see that. You tell me – what would the reaction from the fans AND the other players on this team had been if Whiz named Leinart the starter over Kurt Warner??? C’mon…

  97. By Darren Urban on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Warner/Whiz

    Are we talking about the same fans that booed Warner off the field in 2006 in favor of Leinart?

    With regards to Whiz and Warner, I think it’s fair to say it was a mutually beneficial relationship.

  98. By Scott H on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    Well, maybe Belichick wouldn’t quite as successful w/out Brady but I still think he would be a winning head coach. Multiple Super Bowls? Maybe not. But this goes the other way as well, doesn’t it? Is Brady as successful as he has been if he is not playing for Belichick and the Patriots organization all these years? Still a damn good QB but…probably not as accomplished. I mean, if Brady is drafted by the Browns or the Redskins or the Jaguars…is it the same? Definitely not.

  99. By Darren Urban on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Belichick

    Totally fair. It’s a two-way street. (But I’d never say “definitely not.” You don’t know. No one does.)

    But as for being winning? Maybe, maybe not. Belichick didn’t look all that good in Cleveland without a Brady-type QB.

    My point is and always has been that it’s never as black and white as many seem to want it to be. Whisenhunt wasn’t the only reason this team went to the Super Bowl, and he’s not the devil some make him out to be now that wins are harder to come by.

  100. By Scott H on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    RE: Same fans who booed Warner in 2006

    Um, yes. And as far as I am concerned, the fans had a right to boo him in 2006. When he got a chance to play again in 2007, was he or was he not a different QB? He absolutely was. And he was absolutely the best QB to lead this team going into the nesxt season. 2007 was the beginning of his return to being a GREAT QB. In 2006, he was not playing well at all. So…why did fans not have a right to react differently to two completely different levels of play???

  101. By Darren Urban on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Fans

    Not saying fans can’t.

    But, in context of why you brought it up in the first place, what happened between 2006 and 2007, when Kurt was a “different QB?” That’s my point.

  102. By Scott H on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    I hear you. And I don’t dispute anything you are saying. Clearly, there are points to be made both ways and we seem to agree on that. It’s a fun topic to debate for that very reason, and I appreciate your response.

  103. By Scott H on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    To answer your last question, I don’t know. But whatever it was, I’m hoping there is still a jar of it left lying around somewhere for John Skelton!

    BTW, just seeing ( as I’m sure you are, too ) that Marshawn Lynch is questionable at this point due to back spasms. It would be a big boost if he can’t go on Sunday. HE is the guy that offense has to go through. And with things not quite settled on our end, I sure wouldn’t mind facing a Seahawks team without Lynch to start the season.

  104. By Darren Urban on Sep 4, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Warner

    I need to stop belaboring it, but I was asking rhetorically. What happened between 2006 and 2007 is that Whisenhunt was hired. Again, mutually helpful.

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