Skelton only has low ankle sprain, not ruled out

Posted by Darren Urban on September 10, 2012 – 11:40 am

Coach Ken Whisenhunt said this morning that the Cardinals got good news and that quarterback John Skelton not only doesn’t have a fracture but just a low ankle sprain, not the dreaded high ankle sprain. Because of that, Whisenhunt wouldn’t even rule Skelton out for New England Sunday. Whiz wouldn’t put any timetable on Skelton’s recovery, although he did say he does not expect to bring in another quarterback at this point. Asked about Skelton being the starter when he returns, Whisenhunt said “I don’t even know why that would be a question.”

Some other day-after notes:

— The shoulder injury to rookie cornerback Jamell Fleming is not serious. Cards hopeful he will be available against the Patriots.

— Ryan Williams started at running back because of the hamstring issues Beanie Wells had on Friday, which derailed what had been a good week of practice, Whisenhunt said. “There’s nothing more than that” to Williams as starter, Whisenhunt said.

— Whisenhunt said he was more comfortable with new tackles Bobby Massie and D’Anthony Batiste than he had been. “Those guys did a good job. We didn’t know anything about those guys in a regular-season NFL game. They fought. … We have to clean things from a running game perspective. But from the protection part of it, our line played well.”

— The running game obviously must get better. “When you are going against an eight-man front, which is how they played us, there will be some runs where you get one or two yards, then there are some where you break through and crease them. We didn’t take advantage of our opportunities on those runs. The(nine)-yard run Beanie had the one time. You have to have more of those. It wasn’t as much the running backs as much as one or two guys breaking down, not finishing blocks the right way. It’s a tight margin when there are eight guys up there. We have to be better.”

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82 Responses to “Skelton only has low ankle sprain, not ruled out”

  1. By Dynosoar on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply


    I counted two sacks for us and zero against us. Did I count correctly?

  2. By Darren Urban on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Dyno —

    RE: Sacks

    Skelton was sacked once.

  3. By joe67 on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Pretty good game, Cards. Not great by any means but pretty good game. Any thing for a “W”.

    If a team calls Timeout when they don’t have any left, why is that not at least, a delay of game penalty. Officials Supervisor said there is not penalty for that. It surely has happened before.

  4. By AndyStandsUp on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    So no word on the health of Wells or Toler either?
    Since going into NE that, along with the QB situation, may be appropriate

    Did Justin Bethel even play? Don’t remember his name being called.

  5. By Darren Urban on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    AndyStands —

    RE: Health/Bethel

    Wells and Toler are expected to be available Sunday.

    As for Bethel, he played special teams and three snaps on defense.

  6. By johnnybluenose on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    memo to ken w. when you don’t make up your mind on a starting qb until a week before the season begins you should expect questions about your starter until your chosen one shows that he can play well consistently. skelton had an okay first half but he was no rg3 and he had a poor third quarter. kolb made some very nice throws and i hope he starts on sunday. and, if he plays well again then ken w. can expect more of the same kind of questions.

  7. By hummer53 on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone is saying you can’t go no huddle all the time with Kolb. Well you still can huddle up and go into the shotgun most of the time a la Kurt Warner. If you go 3 and out the defense still had a few minutes rest because you used the whole 40 second clock between plays. Kolb is far better QB in the shotgun and you can still have running plays out of the shotgun.

  8. By ken on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    i dont like kolb
    but he did a good job when we needed him

  9. By jskeleton on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    I’m just so happy that Skleton is fine. I think this time will suprise lots of people if the QB able to manage the game. GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. By Dynosoar on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, thanks for always answering my questions (even when it’s an “I don’t know.”)

    One sack, that’s a far cry better than last year. Not bad for an o-line that every pundit is saying is among the worst. Let’s see how they do in NE.

    I love Whizenhunt’s answers at times. It’s great to see a Caoch who’s unphazed by the same questions over and over and over and over and over again.

    “I don’t even know why that would be a question.”

    – Classic!

  11. By Rich on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Fans were incredibly loud on that last 4th down play……really exciting being there.
    I like both Skelton and Kolb……….we have two starters. The boo-ers are “small”.

  12. By SteveG on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Re Kevin Kolb

    Saying the right things is good, behaving as you say you will is better..came in prepared and helped his team win as a good team mate does…Big props and good to see his team mates make that point so loudly….

    Swift recovery to John!

  13. By bluepitt on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    This is a trap game, Bill Bilacheck is going to keep Skelton in the Pocket if he plays, and if it is Kolb he is going to Blitz the Heck out of him…Big Ben will tellyou hoe Billy keeps him on a leash by not rushing him and leting him make things happen after the play breaks down. hummmm.
    Much respect if Whiz Starts Skelton, but he better put Kolb in if we have protection, That is the only way we win!!!! I dont get the Benie thing if he is going to play then he deservs to start, doesnt all the starts help him in his contract for bonus and stuff like that?

  14. By cardsalltheway on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    “There’s nothing more than that” to Williams as starter, Whisenhunt said.”

    Open competition ~ NOT! If there was William Powell would’ve at least played in the game instead he didn’t even suit up. How does that happen? William Powell should’ve at least been given a chance to carry the ball. Ken W. is one of the worst decision makers(if not THE worst) in the NFL.

    “Whisenhunt said he was more comfortable with new tackles Bobby Massie and D’Anthony Batiste than he had been.”

    And he never would’ve been “comfortable” if guys weren’t injured which again shows our coaches aren’t able to spot and gauge talent. Additionally, Ken W. is willing to brush rookie talent aside more times than not. Time and time again wrong and indecisive decisions by Ken W. keep creeping up and become evident.

    To me not being “comfortable” means Ken W. does not give confidence to players until after a miniscule of a miracle seems to happen. However, the miracle is not really a miracle but only seems to be since Levi Brown was and always will be our LT, among the worst in the NFL.

    Big 10 football is what I see in our special teams(punt and kickoff return defense). The Cardinals are like the stereotypical Big 10 football team playing a Pac- 10 team. We are Sooooo SLOW.

  15. By John the draft guy on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Loved being at the stadium again.

    As for the game , give kolb his credit. I actually watched him go through his progressions. I can’t recall him doing that once in preseason. Kevin deserves his praise. But Let’s not forget Skelton hit a 17yrd first down pass to get things started on the play he got hurt on.

    My disappointment lies with special teams. This game isn’t close if Washington doesn’t have those two returns

  16. By AzDesertRat1953 on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Why can’t Kolb go two or three quarters in No Huddle? Did anyone see the Den/Pitt game, Manning could do nothing in the first Q but ran the no huddle for the rest of the game and won. Not saying Kolb is Manning but it can be done for most of the game, and it is effective.

    Very glad to hear that Skeltons injury is not as bad as it looked, it’ll be sore but he should be able to play Sunday.

    The O-line was a lot better than even I thought they would be, but will agree they need some more practice on the running plays, but over all did darn good for the short time the newbies have been mixed in, good job Russ, getting the guys going in the right direction with so much not going the O-lines way in pre-season.

    Hey Darren, I know some one else asked this and I think you said you had to look it up, maybe. But, “What is the record for blocked FG’s”? NFL or the Cards.

    GO CARDS!!!

  17. By Peter in Canada on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    The good news(apart from Skelton’s injury not being serious) is that we won the game. We certainly have a lot of work to do. The special teams gave up too many yards. We really need a kicker who can reach the end zone. The run game was terrible and we almost let the game slip away in the second half. The turning point came after recovering the fumble and only getting 3 points.People talk about the win as being just like last year. Well, last year after our win we proceeded to lose six in a row and all we had to play for was pride. As usual the D came up big. I am sure the coaches will not let the team become as comfortable as a lot of the fans.

  18. By j on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Four thoughts of Sundays game.

    1. These refs stink!!! heard some are from a lingerie league, any truth?
    2. The O line was MUCH better then I thought, keep that rolling!!!
    3. The fights have got to stop. Throw a puch in the form of an interception, sack, touchdown, block, etc etc. Put a cap on that boxing mma stuff.
    4. Cardinals still the most entertaining team around!!!

    Extra!!! Please beat the Pats, want to see Wiz beat Bella.

  19. By sarah on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Good to see Kolb earn his money, the hurray up offence worked in his favor. If the team is to have long term success we need a running game as well ! Time and again a running play was called only to go nowhere, they were stacking the line with eight men. Seattle adjusted nicely at the half and had way better penetration. We have to keep teams honest with our run game as it was non-existent.

    Re Kolb vs Skelton :

    If this debate rears it head it will only split the team, the media loves it but it is unhealthy. Look no further than the damage it did in Buffalo when Flutie was playing and Rob Johnson.

  20. By John C on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Gee what a shocker that Whiz was going to blame the run game on blocking not being executed and an 8 man front. This gets old. He did exactly what I said last night. So during the game you see that happening and you just run Williams up the middle and figure well i’m just going to blame blocking not being executed tomorrow? Get creative then with your run calls damn.

    I was happy to see Kolb come in fresh and make some quick short yard passes in a no huddle hurry up offense and score. But that was one drive. Started by a completion where Skelton got hurt. And included an incomplete and a pass interference call. Is he going to run the entire game in a no huddle hurry up against New England? No. We’ll see just how good he is in that game. Not to mention did anyone see the 49ers? Not looking good, but fully expected ofcourse.

  21. By JB on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Why isn’t the Whisenhunt’s Monday press conferences posted on the website?

  22. By Darren Urban on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    JB —

    RE: Presser

    We usually package them.—Victory-Monday/38fe8ad8-1e09-46e5-bbb3-6346e7359823

  23. By jocards on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    I can be as critical and skeptical as anybody but I really do not understand those that are hesitant to give Kolb his due. He really stepped up yesterday and delivered a TD drive to help win a ball game. Yes Skelton started it with a 17 yard completion, so what? I’m not taking anything away from Skelton but our offense was dead in the water in the 2nd half. Kolb put the ball in the end zone with some very good reads and throws. Nice job! Only one game? Yes. Only one drive? Yes. The game winning drive.

  24. By dick marley on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Cards defense always seems to come thru in the clutches, good jog

  25. By Rugbymuffin on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hi Darren

    You told me this in the preseason, and I am an idiot and forgot to write it down.

    Where can I get the full audio of the press conferences again ? Meaning the entire press conference ?


  26. By Darren Urban on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Rugby —

    RE: Audio

    It should be here:

  27. By uofafan1974 on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Kolb did a great job as the backup quarterback. Just what a team wants and needs from their backup QB.

    I liked Wiz’s comment that Skelton’s starting position should not be a question at this point. There are always ups and downs in a game. That is why we all love and enjoy watching games. We all love the entertainment of the ups and downs of competition.

    Skelton is a 6’6″ 244 lb quick 24 year old QB. What more could you ask for? I hope he continues to develop he will be another Big Ben. He can hurt you as a passer and punish you as a runner. Skelton is the real thing. I understand why Wiz wants to keep him in there and help him continue to develop.

  28. By Scott H on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    Will they give David Garrard a look? I certainly can’t think of a better option off the top of my head. With Kolb’s track record for injury, they have to bring in somebody, don’t they???

  29. By Darren Urban on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Garrard

    “Whiz wouldn’t put any timetable on Skelton’s recovery, although he did say he does not expect to bring in another quarterback at this point.”

  30. By DontTakeLoses on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Whisenhunt said “I don’t even know why that would be a question.” Sadly, Whiz knows his call on the QB is dubious, or he would not have dismissed the fact that Kolb’s day of work clearly overshadowed Skelton’s. Means Whiz is dug in and we may have to suffer thru a couple losses with Skelton before he admits he was rong..

  31. By Rugbymuffin on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks Darren.

  32. By Rick on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Well said.

  33. By Stewart Badly on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Glad to hear that Skelton will be fine. He had a very good 1st half and he struggled in the 2nd , but he is young and he is gonna to have ups and downs in his development, he had two long drives in the first half witch is what coach Whisenhunt wants out of his QB and that keep our D fresh. I was glad that Kolb came in and had that scoring drive, is good for his confidence and we need him to be ready because is a long season. I’m happy for both QBs, we have two starters

  34. By mancosman on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Turn-over battle wins games. In the preseason Kolb showed that he was a risk taker, and as a result threw mind-boggling interceptions. Result: Start Skelton. If Kolb can control his instincts in not forcing action and showing some maturity in throwing the ball away, or scambling for a few yards — he will become the starter. If not, then coach Whiz will put Skelton in (once recovered) because he is more predictable in not ruining the game.

    Oddly having two prepared QB’s is not bad. As the season progresses, if both QB’s have some game time — defenses will have to review tape for both QB’s and as a result, be harder to defend. 17+ weeks both QB’s will get banged up. This is good, the Cards are miles ahead of where they were 2-yrs ago.

  35. By dan on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Defense wins championships. We had dudes flyin around the ball and Lynch was getting smacked around, what a beautiful sight.

  36. By Kevin S on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    uofafan1974: “Skelton is a 6’6″ 244 lb quick 24 year old QB. What more could you ask for?”

    A lot of guys are big with strong arms and never amount to anything. And some smaller guys work out just fine (e.g., Brees). All the physical tools in the world don’t mean much if you aren’t accurate and have poor judgment. Can Skelton develop into a better QB? I hope so. Does he deserve to lose the starting job because of being injured in his first start? I don’t think so either, but on the other hand if he does miss a couple games and Kolb plays really well, would you really want to put Skelton back in there? After all, Kolb was our starter in 2011 and Skelton was the backup (only getting the starts when Kolb was hurt). If you believe in the competition that led to Skelton being chosen over Kolb this preseason, then you should believe equally that the same principles of competition should allow Kolb to win the job back by raising his level of play — I mean, it’s not like Skelton has ever played like Peyton Manning… he now has a career QB rating of 65.8. Acceptable for a developing QB? Perhaps, but if the Cards determine they have a better option, don’t they need to play him? Sure, it’s not really fair to Skelton, when we wouldn’t even be having this conversation if he didn’t get hurt. But then again, Kolb getting hurt in 2011 is the only reason we saw as much of Skelton as we did. Kolb getting hurt in 2010 is the only reason Michael Vick became the Eagles starter. It happens sometimes — an injury gives another guy an opportunity and he never gives it up.

    A lot of people seem to want to give Skelton a “chance to develop” but won’t give Kolb the same chance. Sure, Kolb makes a ton more money. He’s been in the league longer, but for much of that time, rarely played. Kolb has now attempted 580 passes in his NFL career, Skelton 429. Not a huge difference. Kolb has played in 30 games in his career, but many of those, he only took a handful of snaps… he has been the main QB for his team (taking the majority of the snaps) in 16 games. Skelton has played in 14 games, but with the exception of his very first game in 2010 when he came in for mop-up duty, he has been the starter (or, in the case of the 2nd SF game last year, the main QB, taking over almost immediately for Kolb after he got hurt) in all of them. And Skelton has one extra year with the Cardinals. So in terms of relevant experience, they are actually almost equal.

    Skelton has been a project from the start. Could he be a good NFL QB someday? Maybe. Is he one now? No. Should a team that was 8-8 last year, and vastly improved its defense over the course of that year, play a “project” QB as their starter? Only if they don’t have a better option. We’re not the Colts (2 wins last year) or the Browns (4) or the Dolphins (6) or the Redskins (5), plus their QB’s were all #1 picks and presumably less of a “project” than Skelton. The Cardinals should play whoever gives them the best chance to win. I trust in the judgment of the coaching staff when they say that, for week 1, they felt that was Skelton. If Skelton is out a couple weeks and Kolb beats the Patriots and Eagles (or wins 1 of those games and plays well in the other — I really can’t see us beating the Patriots away even with good QB’ing), I’d be surprised if they DIDN’T then decide that Kolb gives us the better chance to win going forward. They should NOT just say, oh, well, we chose Skelton so now we have to play him… just as they shouldn’t (and didn’t) automatically say Kolb was the guy going into this year’s training camp, notwithstanding his better #’s over his career than Skelton and notwithstanding what they were paying him.

  37. By scubasteve12 on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vince Young, T-Jackson, Mcnabb, Colt McCoy, Garrard and other QB’s people keep mentioning all suck. And ALL ARE NOT UPGRADES AT ALL!!!. Please stop mentioning them. There is no QB in the NFL or free agency that can help this team win. They need to grab one out of the draft. Not that they need to with Skelton and Kolb.

  38. By Jerry on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Every team does well on a no huddle drive. Its great that we both Kolb and Skelton. They have each others back.
    Darren, if Skelton remains on the injury list, will Lindley come off the inactive list? He wasnt reported on the injury list for the Seatle game, just on the inactive list with no reasoning behind it.

  39. By Darren Urban on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    jerry —

    RE: Lindley

    If Skelton isn’t healthy Sunday, Lindley will be the backup. And there was a reason against Seattle — the Cards have to have seven guys inactive every game. He was one.

  40. By BIG RED on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Johnny bluenose why don’t you fine a team you can coach, since you everything. There looking for coaches in the peewee league.

  41. By BIG RED on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Very true Sarah.

  42. By JB on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, last year, the Monday Pressers were on the live video on the website. Other team websites have all of the coaches’ and players’ pressers on their websites. Aren’t the Cardinals going to have at least the Monday Pressers on the website in total.

  43. By Darren Urban on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    JB —

    I will broach the subject.

  44. By georgiebird on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz talking about Seattle’s 8 man front is so revealing. Seems like Larry isn’t being doubled or else someone is running free.
    Offensive team speed-including the QB- is an area that has been neglected by the Cards for many years. Teams have played the big fronts against us- without fear- since Warner left. I think the team should have been more prepared to deal with the offensive team speed issue especially in the draft. Floyd may turn out to be a very good receiver but his skills don’t help us with this speed problem.
    I hope the team has a plan to counter the fronts that other teams will surely use in future games.

  45. By tentpeg107 on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    I am getting tired of people who still say that we have a 2 QB “competition”, and we should give Kolb the same chance to “develop” as Skelton. Sorry, Kolb’s been in the NFL for a while. Skelton is like a young buck. He has all the physical abilities, plus the size, to eventually be a great QB. Sorry to Kevin, but you make a decision and go with it, no matter what. Skelton WON the locker room (more important than some people believe), he won the starting QB job. You don’t go back from that when you have a young buck.

    The play-calling continues to be a problem.

  46. By The everlasting Kolbstopper on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    i disagree about “winning the locker room”. That is not the players role. Take the niners last season, Alex Smith had been obismal for 5 straight seasons. Harbaugh comes in and says “Alex is our guy”. The rest of the team didn’t flinch, they rallied around him because their coach had faith. Whiz has not shown faith in either QB (obviously waiting until 1 week before the season to even choose a starter) I mean, imagine how prepared our team could be if just 1 guy (I honestly could care less who) was named the starting QB at the start of training camp, how prepared this team would have been week one. The D wouldn’t have needed a goal line stand, we would have blown the Seahawks out!

  47. By Angela on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    It was wonderful to see the team, play as a team. Skelton was awsome to begin with and has always stepped up to do his best, and work hard. Kolb for once played as team member, and it showed in his game. Skelton and Kolb seem to be a great team and work together, this may very well be where our team has success. Between the two working together, and the team stand by them both.

  48. By bluepitt on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Yup its offical….You sir, are in love with Skelton!!!! Not from a Football stance, You are just Flat out, In Love!!!!hshahahahahha

  49. By bluepitt on Sep 10, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz did say that he was not ruling out the fact that kolb could play at any time, and Skelton was the starter for the Seachicken game, are we all reading way more in to who is starting each game than Whiz said. He wouldnt commit to Skelton as the “Arizona Cardinals 2012 starting QB” Or am I mistaken Darren?

  50. By Darren Urban on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    bluepitt —

    RE: Starting QB

    I think Whiz left things up in the air in the short term. He’s not going to back himself into a corner.

  51. By bluepitt on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    Found this post from profootball weekley interesting:
    “What the heck? In a season opener that seemingly went on forever, the replacement officials had a bad day at the office, especially when they improperly gave the Seahawks an additional timeout with the game winding down that came extremely close to changing the outcome. Another head scratcher was the continued uneven play by Skelton, who looked absolutely awful in the second half before getting hurt. Skelton’s interception on a supposed throwaway pass out of bounds was outrageously pathetic. One other question worth asking: Why did second-year pro Ryan Williams start over Beanie Wells at running back? Is Wells having knee issues again? Stay tuned.”


  52. By philly cards on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    What I saw was two quarterbacks playing at their best.kolbs best is better than skeltons.he has earned a quick hook and backup status due to injury.its clear with their pay and play.150 yrds passing in 3 quarters? And I think there is a 500$ ems fee when you get carted off the field and u only have an ankle sprain.and larry fitz said we are going with why the discussion about skelton? He’s done isn’t he.

  53. By Derrick Haskan on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    Beat Tom Brady we will be the talk of the town.

  54. By Kevin S on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    Tentpeg — “you make a decision, and go with it no matter what.” Huh? Are you suggesting that no matter how badly Skelton might play, or how well Kolb might play in his absence (assuming Skelton misses some time), the coaching staff can’t change their mind? How long, exactly, is that rule in place — a game? 5 games? The entire season? Three seasons? It just doesn’t make sense to ever say, this guy is going to play no matter what. You play if you’re the better option than the other guy at the time. That’s it.

    Based on your absolutism, I supposed you also would have supported Whiz saying, before camp even started, “Kolb is our starter, period.” Because that would have been a perfectly defensible position; after all, we made a “decision” in 2011 to bring Kolb in as our starter, so having “made that decision,” Whiz could just continue to “go with it no matter what,” to use your phrase. Or does your rule that “you make a decision and go with it no matter what” only apply when you like the decision (Skelton is the starter), and not when you don’t like it (Kolb is the starter)?

    Look, I agree 100% with people who are saying Kolb should not be the starter solely because Skelton was mediocre in one game and Kolb looked great on a single drive. But if Skelton’s out a few weeks and Kolb lights it up, you can’t ignore that. Now, Kolb lighting it up is a big if, no doubt, but if it were to happen and then this team turns back to a guy with a career QB rating of 65, that would be a mistake.

  55. By ken on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    I have faith in the cards-D
    I think brady going to b surprized next sunday

    as far as the QB im hopeing skelton back just look at numbers last yr compare to kolb eagles didnt want him why would we, i wish the cards would quit gettin older QB who only have couple yrs left, and get someone younger who could be a franchise QB like skelton im hopeing skeltons are man who can become one of the best and stays with us

  56. By keith on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    In addition to the timeout debacle, the refs misplaced the spot by five yards at least twice. Once was when Paris Lenon got his sack in the first half, the other was when the call on the lateral was reversed.

    Also, i was at the game and did not hear any boos for Kolb when he came into the game. DId not hear any boos on the telecast when saw it at home. I know that was in Bickley’s article the next day, but I dont think it is true.

  57. By John the draft guy on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you Keith. I didn’t hear any boos at the game either. Maybe Bickley was in a small section that booed quietly.

  58. By Red cards on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    Slow down kolb fans lets see how he plays next week whiz said its wasn’t skeltons fault that are O fizzled in the 3rd look if kolb can keep it up I will get behind him , but in my opinion Skelton looked good and the one int was just bad luck he was able to lead the team down feld twice I am so happy about this game we looked way better than I thought we were going to

  59. By BIG RED on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    Well I Did and there were alot of boos. Maybe you guys where already drunk by then.

  60. By philly cards on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    Bad players or backups don’t out perform starters. Whiz does the qb battle when he has nothing to offer his starter to help him get better.this occurs often.larry wants #4 and so do I.

  61. By Eric Hutchins on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    Skelton, “what more could you ask for”, “when you look at his numbers” “Had a strong first half”
    WHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT are you people watching? They scored 13 points in the first half and most of it was gift wrapped by our defense. What were his total stats? what is his QB rating, WHAT IS HIS LIFE TIME QB rating, how many 3 and outs did the cardinals have with Skelton at the wheel?(and yes one field goal was also a three and out)what in the world are you guys seeing?ARG it is so frustrating. Kolb is SO much better has so much more upside, and, as one poster put it, you all are dying to want to give Skelton all this time to develop, why wouldn’t you do the same for Kolb.
    I think all you Skelton folks’ frustration with Kolb is so misplaced, this teams fundamental problem is its offensive line and the inability to consistently run the ball PERIOD. If the defense you are facing knows that (which they obviously all do) I dont care who is QB you are going to struggle.
    BUT, I sure as HECK 🙂 would rather have a mobile guy like Kolb than a statue.

  62. By Brandon M on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    I remember a broadcaster saying that the Cardinals aren’t throwing everything out on the table during the preseason. I would like to believe this may have been why Kolb had a terrible preseason. Kolb only came in once and was really good this may have been him being allowed to use whatever play they wanted. Peyton had a not so good preseason and look what he did to the Steelers D and, Sanchez is a perfect example he was pretty much non existent in the preseason and he smoked the Bills. Im just saying Kolb might be a little better now that he knows the playbook and, has actually had an off season. Im not saying Skelton was horrible and shouldn’t be the starter any more because he did well and I truly believe we still would have won had he not been taken out, all I’m saying is that Kolb might be the same situation as Sanchez or Peyton crappy in the preseason to hide what they really can do for the regular season and then to surprise everyone with a good performance once the games actually count.

  63. By Brandon M on Sep 11, 2012 | Reply

    There is a difference between being a mobile quarterback and running out of the pocket and away from all of his protection because he’s nervous and panicking. Kolb looked good on that drive because he stayed calm and kept his focus.

  64. By clssylssy on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    For all of those fans who apparently are suffering a memory loss and forget who pulled us out of the losing streak last season, as well as Kolb’s miserable and embarrassing preseason performance in which he spent more time running in circles in a panic rather than leading the team, but now want to throw him a parade and crown him “elite” because of one drive…ROFLMAO! Kolb had a good drive and is a good backup QB as long as he can stay healthy. I guess we will see just what he’s made of, and if he’s learned anything, in the event he is our starter against the Patriots! The Cardinal defense won the game on Sunday and Skelton did a good job his first half. Nobody was really 100% including Fitzgerald and to go in for a quick burst is a very far cry from performing at top level the entire game when the offense starts wearing down. The Card’s weren’t suppose to win that game, and had it not been for Skelton’s first half, Kolb’s single drive wouldn’t have made a difference. Even the sportscasters were laughing and saying that was the best drive of Kolb’s life…how sad, considering how long he has been playing! The fact is we need everybody and Skelton is the more physical QB and offers the Cards the best chance overall. I suspect this wouldn’t even be an issue if everybody were being paid the same and this were truely treated like a “team” sport with everyone’s contribution given the credit deserved. Our starter was named after an evaluation process and many factors entered in. This continued bickering like a bunch of disgruntled children is what makes it sometimes hard to be a Cards fan and why we get no respect! The players are great…the Coach coaches, and the fans are fans because they are not qualified to be running the team.As Buddy Ryan once said, “If a coach finds himself listening to the fans he will soon find himself sitting among them.”

  65. By Kevin S on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    Eric H — seems like you and I are the only ones who see it the way we do.

  66. By Kevin S on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    And also Eric H — you are definitely right about one thing, people misplaced their entire frustration with the team from last year on Kolb. After a dreadful 2010 that featured some horrible QB play, on the heels of seeing a Hall of Fame QB prior to that, it is not surprising that fans wanted a change. So we pick up one of the best available QB’s in Kolb, he performs at about the league average (81.1 QB rating), but the team blows several leads and we start out poorly and it’s all Kolb’s fault. And the Skelton fans just don’t realize what a luckbox he was… should’ve lost the first STL game (we block a 42 yd FG at the end); somehow we manage to run into PHI at the worst possible time for them, and Vick goes 16 for 34 with 2 INT’s and we still barely win as our O does nothing for 3 quarters… Yes, Skelton played well in the 4th quarter but that game should’ve been a blowout, not a squeaker… then the 2nd Rams game, Skelton is awful, 12-23 for just 114 yards and 2 INT’s, but Beanie tramples the Rams for 228 yards so it’s another win for Skelton… sandwiched in there of course is the first SF game where he goes 6 for 19 with 3 INT’s and basically gives the game away despite some unbelievable play by our D to hold SF to 3 first half FG’s and keep us in the game. Many of the Skelton fans just say, it’s only wins that matter, so Skelton gets the nod over Kolb. I’ve said it before and none of the Skelton fans have answered me — if you believe that to be the case, then would you also recommend Tim Tebow as a starting QB for the Cards? Because his 2011 is a lot like Skelton’s — took over a struggling team midway through the year, and somehow despite his bad quarterbacking, the team managed to reel off some wins and end up 8-8. Notice that Tebow is now a backup again, where he belongs.

  67. By Kevin S on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    Clssylssy — I remember fully well who pulled us out of our losing streak last season. It was 11 guys on defense, and, in the 2nd Rams game, Beanie Wells. Look back at how Skelton performed in the first four games after taking over (I gave a little summary in the previous post, but here’s the combined line: 59-117 (50.4%), 750 yards (6.4 YPA), 4 TD’s, 7 INT’s). If someone told you your QB would have those numbers over 4 games, you’d probably think the team would go 0-4 or 1-3 at best. The Cards were 3-1 in those 4 games. Look, I’m happy we have Skelton. If the Cards’ coaching staff believes he gives us the best chance to win, then by all means they should start him. But fans giving Skelton all this credit for what happened last year are vastly overstating the case, just like the fans who are talking up how well Skelton did in Sunday’s game. He finished 14 for 28, threw an INT on a ball that should have just been chucked out of bounds, and we had 13 points after 51 minutes of football. Yes we had no running game but Skelton did not perform well. Not horribly, but not well. You’re right, Kolb led us on just one drive. I’m not crowning him the king. But after listening an entire offseason to Skelton fans talking up how he’s “just a winner” and deserves to start because of how the Cards performed under him — well, if that’s your criteria, then on Sunday, it was Kolb who was just a winner.

  68. By The everlasting Kolbstopper on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    Kevin S

    You couldn’t be more right. Kolb was 3-6 as a starter, I’ll knock it down to 2-6 because of the SF game. He took leads into the 4th quarter of the Giants game in which OUR D gave up 21 points in the 4th quartet alone! How is that Kolbs fault? That should make him 3-5. Also, the 1 point loss to Washington last year, our D gave up 10 points in the 4th quarter in that game! AND Kolb drove us down the field in the 2 minute drill to lead to what would have been a game winning field goal and Chansi Stucky fumbles the ball to lose us that game. How is that Kolbs fault, that should make him 4-4. Take the Baltimore game as well. We had an 18 point second half lead on them and the D gave it up! How is that Kolbs fault? Make that a 5-3 record he should of had. And finally a 13-10 loss against the Seahawks in which in the fourth quarter Kolb drives the team down to set up a 42 yard field goal attempt that Feely missed. How is that Kolbs fault? It’s not. By my count he actually played well enough to hold a 6-2 record last season and was let down by the other 52 guys on the roster.

  69. By Red cards on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    Come on kolb fans slow that roll just a bit if he can show us he deserves the job he LOST and not go back to running around like a chicken with his head cut off I will get behind him but one drive doesn’t prove anything ether does Skeltons one game that he played well in

  70. By Scott H on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    scubasteve12 –

    Oh, is the draft coming up this week? Gee…seems kinda early…

    You ain’t telling us anything we don’t know by saying we ( may ) have to get a QB out of the draft. Yeah, thanks. Got it. Trouble is, the draft ain’t until next April and we have 15 games to get through over the next 3 months.

  71. By Eric Hutchins on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    Red Cards “A game skelton played well in, Whaaaat? 13 points in 3 quarters, how many 3 and outs, did you see the same game I did, did you see the stats, I have not seen a game I thought Skelton played well in yet, I HAVE seen games that Kolb played well in (Baltimore, just one example)

  72. By Red cards on Sep 13, 2012 | Reply

    Come on now he manged the game last year Alex smith only got one Td a game

  73. By Eric Hutchins on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    The everlasting kolbstopper
    I could not have said it better myself (your last post)

    Except you could go and analyze some of those games that Skelton “won” for us, when we the defense finally showed up and we were getting punt returns for TDs to save our Arse.

  74. By Eric Hutchins on Sep 12, 2012 | Reply

    Kevin S,
    Your post that starts out “and also Eric H”
    Is RIGHT on the money, exactly how I feel.
    If I say much more it would be just repeating myself from posts I have made all over other strings.
    And its not that I “hate” or (whatever other silly term people want to describe people like me) Skelton, its just that I think he is not who people are saying he is when they are simply using wins and losses as a yardstick. HE is probably a great guy, and I think he is a serviceable back up, just dont think he did ANYTHING on the field in games, that earned him a starting position over Kolb.

  75. By Red cards on Sep 13, 2012 | Reply

    Eric let’s see how well your boy does this week I just hope he doesn’t get hit bc we don’t need are back up to be broke for the rest of the season

  76. By Red cards on Sep 13, 2012 | Reply

    Oh bye the way you talk about the games last year I think are running game played a big part in those games not so much kolb and the game against the Seahawks last year how well did your boy do oh yeah the score was 13 to 10 hmm your right kolb is the man lol

    How about the Viking s game bc they were sooo good last year your boy was on fire in that game right

    One more thing how many 300 yard passing games 1 for kolb 2 for Skelton

  77. By Eric Hutchins on Sep 13, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Red Cards,
    What is the Interception comparison stat? I cant remember, maybe you should go look that one up.
    And the Back-up for this team is already hurt and his name is Skelton. Fuuny the way he was rolling around you would have thought hisfoot had broken off completely.
    Wonder why he wasn’t high fiving Kolb when Kolb came in the game? Must have a bad attiidute.
    I am curious Red Card, have you hever had a 300 lb D lineman land on you when you are twisted and on your side. Because I have, and I bet your azz wouldn’t get out of bed for a month.
    You and your Kolb bashing buddies calling him soft are fools without a clue.

  78. By Red cards on Sep 13, 2012 | Reply

    Im sorry to let you know this but kolb is r back up I have you look at int stat wow kolb is a true wonder and so far it’s like 2 for kolb and 2 Skelton this year the yeah I have bashed on kolb big deal but if he can prove himself then I will support him but I’m not going to jump back on the kolb wagon till he does I hate to break this to you but 60 mill qb has not shown that he’s any better than Skelton I just want to win games and me and whiz agree Skelton gives us the best chance unroll that changes settle down buddy I think you might want to wait and see how kolb plays these next few weeks

  79. By Eric Hutchins on Sep 13, 2012 | Reply

    Red cards,
    How come you like to talk about Skeltons record last year when it suits your argument but you want to ignore it when talking about interceptions.?
    Try looking at their body of work for the past two seasons and compare all of it. Then consider that Kolb was put into the starting role with no OTA’s and a compressed camp, and a horrendous defense at the beginning of the season. .Skelton was just LUCKY, he came in for Kolbs injury at a time when the team was finally starting to get it together, he had a FULL extra season to learn the offense that Kolb didnt.

    In the 3rd preseason game of the year with the starters all Skelton did was check down dinks and get sacked. Kolb led them on the only legit drive of the game, for a TD.
    So yeah, he threw a boneheaded pick, Skelton has thrown TWICE as many pics WHEN IT COUNTS.
    Kolb is the only NFL caliber starting QB on this team.
    If he doesn’t start its an ego problem with Whiz or he is cowed by fans with their heads in dark places.

  80. By Red cards on Sep 13, 2012 | Reply

    Do you even know kolb career stats well let me break it down for ya Tds 21 int 22 fumbles 14 yupp that’s a NFL caliber QB I’m glad you helped me get my eyes open

  81. By Kevin S on Sep 13, 2012 | Reply

    Red Cards —

    You’re not seriously going to try to win the Skelton/Kolb debate based on stats, are you? I mean, Kolb smokes Skelton there… career completion % 59.7 to 52.4; career QB rating 77.5 to 65.8; QB rating for AZ in 2011 81.1 to 68.9; career YPA 7.1 to 6.3. I mean, really, at least the other Skelton supporters use the only possible legitimate argument (which is that the Cards won more of his games than Kolb’s last year), which of course several of us has pointed out is more a fluke of scheduling, the defense getting better, and downright pure luck than anything else. You’re the first person I’ve seen try to win the argument by citing passing stats.

  82. By Red cards on Sep 14, 2012 | Reply

    I’m saying Skelton was still a pretty much a rookie last year and I keep seeing him get better . Kolb on the other hand as only got worse so far besides one drive look let me say it again for the cheap seats just slow down and lets see how he plays in the next game or two before you guys start saying what a great QB kolb is , no one ever said Skelton is a great Qb but he’s getting better I think everyone can argree on that except you and Eric

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