So now Lindley starts …

Posted by Darren Urban on November 22, 2012 – 1:15 pm

The news that came out yesterday that Ryan Lindley is going to start at quarterback this weekend really can’t be a surprise. Kevin Kolb isn’t healthy. John Skelton just was pulled out early in the Atlanta game in favor of Lindley, and I’m not sure anything could have happened over the past few days that would change coach Ken Whisenhunt’s mind to go back. Had he gone back to Skelton, it would have made what happened in Atlanta a real head-scratcher (yes, I am aware there are many of you who already see it that way.)

The interesting scenario will be when and if Kolb can return to play. It will partly depend on how Lindley does, I would think, in the meantime, but let’s say he doesn’t dominate. What then? Do the Cardinals go back to Kolb? Does Lindley play it out? Is it tied to the outcomes over the next few games?

I said before the season if Lindley played this season it probably wouldn’t bode well for where the Cardinals’ season was headed. It was hard to see it happening after the 4-0 start, but obviously, the offense hasn’t produced of late and the Kolb injury — there is no doubt if Kolb was healthy, he’d be playing — threw things into flux.

Since watching Lindley when he came in, particularly in training camp, I do see a guy who can be accurate (an issue with Skelton) and who has the size to stand tall in the pocket. Personally, my expectations aren’t high. That’s nothing against Lindley, but a rookie quarterback has more downs than ups and this is a guy who was drafted in the sixth round. Yes, guys like Andrew Luck and RGIII have had quick success, but they were the first two picks in the draft and the first two picks for a reason.

The Cards have to find more consistency in the passing game. They have to find a way to get Larry Fitzgerald the ball more often. Whether Lindley is the guy who can deliver that, we will have to see. But we are going to see. Quarterback is going to be at the top of the to-do list in the offseason — at least, reevaluating the position will be — and the Cards do need to find out where Lindley fits or doesn’t fit. Whisenhunt could have waited longer to do so, but he clearly didn’t see why he should wait.

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving.

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  1. By Lance on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    I’m a Falcons fan living in Atlanta, so I watched every play last week. We tried in every way possible to give that game away. I like how Lindley played. He took some shots from John Abraham and others and kept trying hard.

    I think this is the right decision for the Cardinals immediate future. They need better offensive lineman and more threats than Larry Fitzgerald. I love the Cards defense.

    Just found your blog last week. Great stuff.

  2. By Hammy on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    For some reason Lindley reminds me of Tom Brady???? I have been watching Lindley’s games from College and I was impressed with how poise he is in the pocket. Some times he threw the ball behind the receiver. Overall with him getting a full week of practice, I can see him really putting a spark in the offense. Still have faith in this team and our chances to make a run at the playoffs. Happy Thanksgiving! GO CARDS!

  3. By Chiconomy on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Right, and Tannehill and Russell Wilson have also had very successful rookie seasons (Tannehill carved up the Cards defense and Wilson and the Seahawks are looking at the Cards through the rear view mirror). The reason the young QBs the Cards have tried to go with (Max Hall, Skelton, Lindley to this point) have not been succcessful is simply that their skill levels match their draft position (undrafted, 5th/6th Round Picks). You don’t have to take a QB with the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft to have success as you suggest Darren, but you do need to place more importance/urgency/priority on the position after Warner’s retirement than experimenting with late round picks and an undrafted guy. I hope Lindley proves me wrong, but finding a Tom Brady in the 6th round isn’t happening for this team. Heck, finding an Andy Dalton or Brandon Weeden in the 6th round probably isn’t happening. Also, signing Derek Anderson and trading for a 2nd Rd pick who couldn’t keep his job in Philly (hence the reason Kolb was available) doesn’t count for adequately addressing the most important position on the field following Warner’s retirement. Cards could have drafted Colin Kaepernick or Russell Wilson and perhaps have even made a play for Tannehill. But they chose other flawed paths and are now paying for it. I give Michael Bidwill credit for having the kind of patience he appears to have after the absolute debacle this team faces at the QB decision after terrible decisions by Whiz and Graves. Neither should have jobs after how they have handled the QB position- the single most important in all of sports- since Warner’s retirement. And it’s not like Whiz can take any credit for Warner since he was signed by Graves and Green. Once again, the Cards are starting over at the most important position on the field. I really hope this is the offseason when the position gets addressed adequately. Cards may want to think about using a 1st or 2nd round pick this time around and not rely on finding a diamond in the rough. Give the most important position on the field its proper priority/urgency. And that isn’t happening through free agency or even a trade- almost never does in modern era of NFL. Whiz needs to learn how to evaluate young QBs or find someone who can.

  4. By sarah on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    How accurate was this NYT’s preview of the Cards, it was epiphany like as to where we are now .

    Game plan will be predictable, Beanie and short passing to start, LSH and short passing. Expect lots of blitzing so let’s see how the line holds.

  5. By Mark on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Does anyone agree that the reason the cards are in the position they are in is they have drafted poorly when it concerns the Quaterback position. They have drafted two Quaterbacks over the past couple of years and it appears they missed on both Skelton and Lindley. Skelton’s college completion percentage was 58.8 percent, and since has been in the NFL it is 53 percent.Certainely they have determined he is what he is. Lindley’s college completion percentage is 55.48 percent. His first NFL game was 9 for 20 for under 50 percent completion percentage. Of course the verdict is still out on Lindley but I dont see him being much better then a 50 percent completion guy. Warner was a very accurate passer with a very average arm and florished in the cards offensive system. Why would they not try to draft a Quaterback with these traits.Does Whiz really think you can turn a inaccurate guy in college and and make him a 60 to 65 percent guy. I contend you can make chicken salad out of chicken poop. Both the Seahawks and 49ers have drafted Quarterback recently in Kaepernick and Wilson that certainly look alot better than what the Cards have done.

  6. By Darren Urban on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Mark —

    RE: Lindley

    How could you possibly know if they missed on Lindley at this point?

  7. By 949cardsfan on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    is there any question Whiz is the worst evaluator of QB talent in the league? He should be as far away as possible from the table where the QB eval talk is taking place. Just take a look at his track record over the years, even going t=back to Pitt. Maybe you could help us out with this darren?

  8. By Darren Urban on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    949 —

    RE: Help

    Help out in what way? You don’t seem to be on the fence on the subject.

  9. By tyman on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks you Darren Urban for giving us cards fans this amazing media to talk about all things cards football.

    Now the season is almost over so I thought Id give some off-season suggestions a bit early.

    1. Give Ray a big pat on the back and take care of the man. Its not like we can stop him from interviewing for head coaching jobs, I’d do whatever it takes to keep him around. Make him the Dick LeBeau.
    2. Rework the offensive coaching staff and scheme. Whiz is a smart man, and in whiz we trust, but whiz we need someone that can add to what you bring to the table. Too much this season we have lined up in far too perceptible formations that allow the d to T-off on the play we were running. As a fan id suggest bringing in some old retired QB to become our QB coach, and look for an OC that’s a true student and strategist of the game.
    3. Sign DRC if he hits the market. Free up room for Patrick to move around in the secondary.
    4. Don’t waste early picks on tackles, guards, or QB’s. stick with the Dennis Green approach of best player.
    5. Don’t over pay for any one player. Coaching scheme and hard working players is what wins. Lock up the studs we have. good job Graves on Campbell and Darrel.
    6. Study some of the guys on the market like a Vince Young and bring in guys like VY in to compete. Target guys that you can develop an unique offence around a unconventional QB, or find a superstar like Kurt. Good luck at the later!

  10. By Steve on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Darren: Happy Thanksgiving to you! Back in 06 when you were covering the team during the Denny Green era the Cards picked Matt Leinert over Jay Cutler in that years draft. Do you recall if Cutler would have been the pick had Leinart been off the board?

  11. By Darren Urban on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Cutler/Leinart

    That is my belief, yes, they would have taken Cutler if Leinart had been gone.

  12. By georgiebird on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Since the season is over, it’s probably time to give 6th round pick, Lindley, some starting time-for better or worse. And here’s a novel idea, how about giving #1 choice, Michael Floyd, some starting time for better or worse.
    My Thanksgiving Day wish is that every employer in America be as benevolent as the Bidwill’s in keeping deadwood on the payrolls.

  13. By sarah on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Still think Lindley looks like Will Ferrell when you has his helmut on, dead ringer !

  14. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    I dont trust Whiz, never have. Kurt Warner made him what he is. Without Warner he is a below average coach. Miller needs to go and so does Grimm. In my opinion, so does Whiz. Just not crazy about this coaching staff. I’ve tried to give support because I am a coach as well, but there is no way we should lose to ATL with the way we turned them over. If Graves isn’t man enough to step up and address Whiz and his misfit coaching staff, then he needs to be relieved of his duties as well. I’m tired of all the excuses. All of which seem to be the same, week in and week out, year in and year out. Get a real GM in here that will change the environment. Ever wonder why Whiz did not get the Pittsburgh Head Coaching Job. The owners could see the writing on the wall. Bidwell, Graves please get a clue. With all that said, I’m hoping Lindley can generate some energy. At least enough for a win. I’m not expecting any miracles out of a rookie QB, but I do agree its time to see what he has. Skelton simply isn’t the guy. Kolb is one injury away from retirement. And Lindley is Whiz’s only hope of not getting canned. At least I hope. “In Whiz we trust” more like “In Whiz we bust”

    Cardinal fan forever – Time for a new direction !!!!!!!

  15. By sarah on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply


  16. By Sarah on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Here we go, got it. Will Ferrell in a football helmet and Lindley in one.

  17. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply


  18. By Mark on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Darren I did say the verdict was still out on Lindley however most 50 percent college football QBs, late round picks are not very successful. Even Tom Brady who was also 6th round pick had a completion percentage of over 60 percent in college.

  19. By jason marcus on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    I know evrybodys sick of this crap so I would love to know why the Cards passed on Mcnabb and Vince Young have not been considered 2 guys who have been to the playoffs and had real success. I know they must have had some serious issues personality wise to not have been ,but are they not 2 solid options even though band aids, options none the less that we could have explored? I more than anyone wants Lindy to go out and throw 3 tds and 300 yards and just plain old kick ass, can it happen …………….maybe ….let the Lindy experiment begin

  20. By Red cards on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Lol boy cutler really dodged a bullet he’d be where Leinart is if whiz and the boys got ahold of him

  21. By phillycards on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t mind losing if we have a good plan.that’s why I want this guy whiz gone so we can begin the healing.

  22. By t.stone on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    Who cares who the Quarterback is. Riddle me this Darren the great? When is the last time a team went on a 6 game losing streak, two seasons in a row and the coach didn’t get his ass fired? Let’s see what the kid has and then get rid of all 3 QB’s and give Wiz 1 more year. Beanie might help, but the Rams will kill this kid and who is the backup QB? Skelton. What a joke. We are toast. So sad.

  23. By cardsalltheway on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    “I said before the season if Lindley played this season it probably wouldn’t bode well for where the Cardinals’ season was headed.”

    Surprised it happened away from home with 13-0 lead in the 10th game without much preparation and 4-5 W/L record.

    “Quarterback is going to be at the top of the to-do list in the off-season”

    I knew it, more ignoring of the OL until later rounds.
    Do you mean a 1st or 2nd round QB draft pick to “compete” against Kolb? That would be another disaster. We did that in 2011 with Kolb until he got hurt, after which he got a free pass for 2012 since we didn’t see much of him but had to “compete” for the No.1 position this year but lost. Now he’ll be getting another free pass because of 4 victories if Ken W. has anything to say about it in 2013. Expect Ken W. to take a QB in the 1st round to “compete” with or start another QB controversy to start things off in 2013.

    Similar to the “Salary Cap” coaches should have a “QB Cap” which disallows them from ruining a set number of QB careers. The Cardinals could provide the blueprint.

    “They need better offensive lineman and more threats than Larry Fitzgerald”

    We already wasted a 1st round draft pick on a WR in 2012 which meant we ignored the OL early in the draft for the 4th year in a row causing our 60 million dollar QB to get hurt AGAIN. Same old same old with Ken W.

    Can’t trust Ken W. to “develop” any more QB’s, if we have to suffer through another season with Ken W. then he should have to do it with Kolb, Lindley, and another late round QB draft pick since everyone seems to think J. Skelton is as good as gone. WE NEED first/second and third round OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. Trade down if possible. I can’t wait till April/2013, happy holidays!

  24. By Darren Urban on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone —

    RE: QB over OL

    I have had a couple of people say to me some version of “QB over OL?” as first in the offseason?

    Got the same question on Twitter.

    QB is more important than OL. Period. End of story. I’m not saying the OL doesn’t need to be fixed, or that is isn’t very important for this team. But you can win in this league with a good QB and a questionable OL. You can’t with a good OL and poor QB play.

  25. By NJAzCardsFan on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply

    My take on the QB shuffle is the Whiz realizes the season is now lost and there has to be wholesale changes on the offense at QB and on the O Line. There is now an effort to evaluate who will stay and who will go when the season is over. No Cards QB will be decent without a O LIne that can block. A new Off, Coord should be in the mix also. There is no imagination when it comes to play calling to this offense. Too many third down and long yardage. It becomes predictable the Cards are going to pass. With the weak O LIne in becomes a prescription for disaster as proven by the near record number of 3 and outs they have. Grimm should go to. This whole situation is just sad…….

  26. By Mark on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Cards should draft Aaron Murray, this guy is gonna be a stud. The dude looks like Drew Brees.

  27. By Cardinals902 on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Can we please stop talking about the 4-0 start? Only one of those games was convincing. I was at the New England game and that team was a few replacement ref penalty calls and an accurate kick away from being 1-1 right then – not to mention 2-2 after needing to pull one out of the fire against Miami. So all considered, this team’s record is exactly where it should be after 10 games. It can mean something to you that the four wins came first and the six losses came second, but the bottom line is that this team has been outplayed in 8 or 9 of its 10 games this season. Sure, 7-3 wouldn’t be too far of a stretch with some more breaks, but neither would 1-9. And what’s in between? 4-6. No team wins 3-point games forever with barely 300 yards total offence.

  28. By TM on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Do you see Skelton on the Cardinal’s roster next season?

  29. By Darren Urban on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    TM —

    RE: Skelton

    I think, depending on what happens with Kolb, that is very much in question.

  30. By cardsalltheway on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Rams knocked out Alex Smith in San Francisco even though he played every game for the 9ers last season. Watch your back/neck R. Lindley! We may see a quick Johnny S. return.
    “Smith scrambled and started to slide before turning his back late, and linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar(#58 four year pro/Boston College) barreled into his neck area with 1:10 left in the first quarter Sunday. Smith briefly grabbed his facemask and grimaced but stayed in the game, throwing a 14-yard touchdown pass to Michael Crabtree in the second quarter.

    Colin Kaepernick replaced Smith on San Francisco’s next possession. Smith sat on the bench next to 49ers athletic trainer Jeff Ferguson and other trainers before walking to the locker room just before halftime.”

  31. By Brent on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    After watching the Cards the last several years I think it is clear that Whisenhunt is simply not good at cultivating QB talent. When I look at the good teams in the league they have evaluated QB talent (which is where I think the Cards are really lacking) and picked the best they could get – nearly always in the draft. Then they stick with that guy through thick and thin. He is always the man and given confidence – until he is gone. Whisenhunt’s competition at every position works awesome for linebackers and tight ends. Not so much with the QB position.

  32. By dennis on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Going with Lindley is a pretty good sign that Wiz has given up on this season and is looking to see what he has in the future with Lindley. As far as Vince Young, he’s a joke. This guys problem is that he is mentally stupid that’s the main reason no one wants him. If anyone out there remembers, this guy had the worst Wonderlick score of all time. He can’t read and understand a playbook. Mcnabb is too old and way past his prime and could never win the big games anyway. There will be good QB prospects in next years draft and the Cards should focus a pick on one of them.

  33. By cardsalltheway on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    “QB is more important than OL. Period. End of story.”

    That is a vague statement and doesn’t always fit every team at all times.

    We’ve already gone through this…We paid Kolb $60 million dollars before fixing the OL, and now you’re suggesting we get another QB before fixing the OL? You can’t keep doing the same thing when what you keep doing ain’t doing it.

  34. By Darren Urban on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    cardsalltheway —

    RE: Vague

    Not sure how that could be be interpreted as vague. And no, it fits every team every time — In today’s NFL, QB is more important than OL. Didn’t say OL wasn’t important.

  35. By cardsalltheway on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Correction: “Vague” Let me be more specific…there isn’t any “period” rule that fits every team all the time, especially us/Cardinals-WORST OFFENSIVE TEAM IN THE NFL.

  36. By cardsalltheway on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    “In today’s NFL”

    That sounds like what you said about the 2 RB trend in the NFL and then when the Cardinals run with only 1 RB you just sit there and ignore it.

    There is only 1 rule to be followed with the Cardinals at this time and I think you know what it is.

    Until then if you bring in another QB(especially on the Cardinals before addressing the OL) to compete with Kolb then I’d compare it with this…

    “Dungy believes the Jets shouldn’t make a quarterback change and put Tim Tebow in the lineup.

    “Quarterback is not like another position,” Dungy said. “Mark Sanchez took the Jets to two championship games. … As soon as you take him out, he cannot be the startinq quarterback of the Jets again. … If you put Tim Tebow in, it is over for Mark Sanchez in New York.”
    Dungy said the Jets are at fault for this situation because when they brought in Tebow, they no longer had a normal backup quarterback.”

    After the Rams, we got the Jets. NY has 10 days to game plan against us after getting embarrassed on Thanksgiving night by the Patriots. We beat the Pats early in the season but if we get beat by the Rams and Jets…OMG…What a horrible season!

  37. By jason marcus on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with Urban fully, wasnt the Oline a question with Warner? so says most of us that chat on the site and I agree with that, Kolb started to get it and got better in the system. The only problem is the Oline became the worst in the league, now Im not saying Kolb is Kurt Warner but I am saying the Oline was doing a way better job when Warner was here,none the less this team needs a qb unless Kolb comes back for the Jets and performs miracles or Lindley lights it up I honestly don’t see anyone coming back next year and YES I mentioned Mcnabb in my last post isn’t it sad? Help us Bidwells do something before the sellouts stop and the cardinals end up in LA HEEEeeeeeelp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  38. By cardsalltheway on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    “In the NFL”

    The QB is not a toy to play with and Ken W. has been playing with too many QB’s for too long in the wrong way!

  39. By jason marcus on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Wow Bay area bad boy just got me depressed and yes sarah Lindley resembles Will Ferrell lets just hope hes not as funny as Ferrel. Go Cards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. By horned frog on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Cards go .500 from here out
    Cards get enamored with LIndley’s “big arm”, shoe size, cup size and facial hair
    Cards justify not taking a top tier qb in the draft
    Cards realize the sample size wasn’t big enough to tell if LIndley was ready
    Cards stink again next year.

  41. By john the draft guy on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Cardsalltheway and Darren;

    RB rotation. Obviously injuries change things. I think you will see both Beanie and LSH rotating in this game. To Darrens point, even the Texans run Tate 10-12 times a game when healthy.

    QB is hands down the most important position. Darren is absolutely right. Not sure how the Sanchez thing ties in, maybe because he pulled Skelton, but Dungy is right. If you pull the franchise QB, the message is sent that he is not the guy. To go back to him is just plain silly. That is why Darren said Whiz is done with Skelton. Injuries are a whole different thing.

    Ken W. playing with QBs too long. There is an old saying that states, If you have 2 or 3 QBs, you dont have any QBs. When you have a franchise QB, everyone knows it and he takes the reins. Once Warner took over, everyone knew he was the guy.

    Whiz is struggling to find that guy. Is it him or the Front office? I dont know. But someone has to bring talent in first before you can say he ruins QBs. . He keeps rotating guys in and out because he doesn’t have any true QBs.

    I’ve coached a baseball team one year when we didn’t have any pitching. No matter who was going out there, they couldn’t get the job done. I even began to try to develop players to pitch who actually got us through the season. The problem was, they really weren’t pitchers. I think Ken W. is in that same boat. You keep trying to find a QB without one on the roster. Maybe you can develop Lindley to hold down the ship the rest of the year. But when this year is over, this team has to realize they need a real QB.

  42. By cobra on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply


    If Lindley looks like Will Ferrell in a helmet, then you probably would be the Cheerleader on SNL I’m still waiting for the perfect cheer from you!

  43. By Cardinals902 on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, I think the real story here is which quarterback can grow the worst chin goatee – Kolb or Lindley. The helmets are the only way I know it’s not Storage Wars.

  44. By cobra on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    john the draft guy,

    This is a tough one, depends on where we end up at seasons end. QB or OL in the draft? I think both!

  45. By sarah on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply

    Cardinals902 ,

    Indeed chin goatees should have stay on goats ! They are ridiculous and most do it for hair loss to show that they can grow hair elsewhere. It adds a hillbilly quality and just looks silly. Someone commented that Kolb looked like someone he had been panhandled by earlier the way he was dressed on sidelines in Atlanta, I concur.

    If only I could find a pic of Will Ferrell with a goatee to match the Lindley pics, helmets pics though are serious dead ringers.


    If Will Ferrell starts for the Cards i will more than gladly cheerlead ! I think Lindley will be roadkill on Sunday but we have Beanie back who is a good blocker.

  46. By cobra on Nov 23, 2012 | Reply


    Yes, good to see Beanie back. I hope Lindley runs also, it may save his life. Now, time for you to give the perfect cheer! Just kidding, Lindley needs to run and help stop them from boxing the line! I see the O opening up more this week, for good or worse. It’s about time, put up, or shut up for the O.

  47. By Cert 33 on Nov 24, 2012 | Reply

    I think the Lindley start will determine a lot of things, including whether Skelton returns at a back-up role next season. I don’t think that there is any competition for #1 QB, as that clearly belongs to a healthy Kevin Kolb unless Lindley does somthing really extreme. When a team has the worst offensive line in the NFL it does make a lot of issues, especially running back and QB, a little harder to evaluate accurately

  48. By Darren Urban on Nov 24, 2012 | Reply

    Chuck 1 —

    RE: tackle

    Ok, maybe there will be. Certainly, picking 5th in 2007, the Cards felt the same, right? There had to be one outstanding tackle there.

  49. By Madriffs on Nov 24, 2012 | Reply

    I am pretty excited to see what Lindley can do as the starter. I think he is gonna surprise all of you. Let’s go Cards!!

  50. By sarah on Nov 25, 2012 | Reply

    Kolb ducked out at a good time for himself, he still had some buzz but was starting to lose games against lightweight teams ( STL, Buffalo ), so now we wait. Peyton Manning dodged a bullet with the Cardinals, ridiculous OL, ditto running game up the middle, play calling at times and a D that went for a walk in the SF and GB game, Minnesota we had a hard time stopping Peterson, the name Crabtree will be forever burned on the Cardinals.

    Holding my breath on Lindley but it is the Rams we are playing not SF so who knows.

  51. By Darren Urban on Nov 25, 2012 | Reply

    Sarah —

    RE: Kolb

    Kolb “ducked out” — clearly implying he did it on purpose — by having his ribs separated from his sternum.

    Interesting theory.

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