Pro Bowl update, and some other tidbits

Posted by Darren Urban on November 28, 2012 – 10:08 am

The struggles to get Larry Fitzgerald the ball and for Patrick Peterson to break loose — not to mention the Cards’ struggle to win a game — seem to be reflected in the latest Pro Bowl balloting. Both Fitz and Peterson were among the top five in their positions the last time voting was noted. This time around, both have dropped out of the top five in the NFC at their respective positions. Only linebacker Daryl Washington remains on the list, at third for inside linebackers behind the 49ers’ Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman. Voting continues right here, and is ongoing through Dec. 17.

— After the nice piece by Josh Weinfuss on rookie right tackle Bobby Massie’s arrow pointing up, chimes in with the statistical data.

— For those wondering about former Cardinals quarterback Jake Plummer now, here’s an interesting story from the New York Times. Jake wanted to escape the NFL limelight when he left the game. Now, apparently, he wants back in.

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31 Responses to “Pro Bowl update, and some other tidbits”

  1. By donttakelosses on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Nice story about Massie. I am again surprised these guys getting paid as pros were not studying their opponents in the first place. We see an article like this every few months, whether Schofield or Toler or whoever. Massie was not doing the minimum, whose job is it to be on these guys to put in the work? Grimm I’d think and the HC, no?

  2. By Campbells on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Washington is probably the only player worthy of being on the ballot this year. Team play is a disappointment. Larry has struggled with drops all year long, not to mention ignoring the fumble that landed by his feet, which was returned for a touchdown. Peterson has been almost totally ineffective at returning punts. When you fail to control the line of scrimmage, it’s tough to have individual standouts.

  3. By Jahstone on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Daryl Washington is the next LT!! Let’s give credit where credit is due for trading up in the 2nd round to grab him. Can we please have more great decisions like that one!!!!!

  4. By Patrick Eagan on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    the line has been doing a lot better. once kevin gets back, and beanie wells going, maybe we can get this thing going. I mean the protection was killing us when it became apparent there was issues, thanks to miami, st. louis…. and so on. I really think Kevin Kolb can be our guy with good protection, and have running a game that produces. We will see.

  5. By Victor Sanchez on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Patrick has not been as dynamic on punt returns, but he does have 4 picks and has really improved in coverage (maybe not Pro Bowl worthy yet) but a big improvement from last year.

    Washington is a beast and well deserving. I marvel at his coverage and run stopping along with the sacks he is the complete package.

    As for Larry, well he needs to step up his game and his attitude. He has been a great player but now the team needs him as a leader. When things don’t go right I feel he needs to encourage our QBs more and get rid of that “oh my gosh” face he has every time a ball is not perfect. We don’t have Kurt any more so he needs to encourage these guys and build up their confidence.

    I agree with @Patrick, I hope Kevin gets an opportunity for next year, otherwise it is back to ground zero…:(

  6. By Hammy on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Glad to see Massie doing better out there. I still believe he is gonna be a top lineman for this group for years to come. Congrats DWASH keep up the good work!

  7. By D on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    If Massie continues to play well rest of the year, my draft for the Cards will change. L. Brown can come back at Left Tackle, Massie stays at Right Tackle and Potter is the backup swing Tackle.

    I see the Cards in the top 10 in the draft, I would try to trade down, but if that can’t happen, then I would draft Barret Jones from ALA as the starting RG next year, over Barkley and the Wilson as the 2 or 3rd best QB available. The reason I believe is that Whiz will be back (benefit of the massive injuries this year to key players) and he will want to bring back Kolb at a reduced price as the starting QB. Then they can draft in Round 2 either EJ Manuel or L. Jones as the heir apparent to Kolb.

  8. By cardsalltheway on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    “This time around, both(Fitz and Peterson) have dropped out of the top five in the NFC at their respective positions. Only linebacker Daryl Washington remains on the list, at third for inside linebackers behind the 49ers’ Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman.”

    I blame the head coach Ken W., and it’s “Possible” he could be gone next year and Arizona is the 5th most “ideal” place to be for a new head coach ~
    “Cowboys, Chargers, Browns coaching jobs among most ideal”…so says Daniel Jeremiah
    Analyst, and NFL Network
    “5) Arizona Cardinals (Ken Whisenhunt)

    The Cardinals haven’t been able to overcome the injury to starting quarterback Kevin Kolb, and their offensive line has struggled mightily. However, there are several dynamic playmakers on this roster, making this a desirable job. Receiver Larry Fitzgerald, linebacker Daryl Washington and cornerback Patrick Peterson are each among the most talented players in the NFL at their respective positions. Defensive linemen Calais Campbell and Darnell Dockett are also elite players. If the quarterback position can be upgraded in the offseason (perhaps by adding Alex Smith), and if a couple of high draft picks are spent on solidifying the offensive line, this team could be fixed very quickly. Likelihood that the job will be available: Possible.”

    I say let’s make it “Probable” like some other teams.

    What does John Clayton think?
    “And what else can you say about Arizona coach Ken Whisenhunt’s idea to start rookie Ryan Lindley over veteran John Skelton. Lindley is not ready for prime time. He threw two interceptions for touchdowns to St. Louis cornerback Janoris Jenkins in a 31-17 loss that extended the Cardinals’ losing streak to seven games. Whisenhunt told people before the season Lindley could be a good one. He threw four picks against the Rams. Things were so bad Whisenhunt thought about benching him, but he didn’t. He shouldn’t have started Lindley in the first place. Terrible.”

    I agree with John Clayton and thank him for expressing honest facts.

  9. By Cert 33 on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    It is 2012 and the character of this team has changed. Defense is the dominant force in Glendale because of the talent and the fact that Ray Horton is currently the only successful coach on the staff. Daryl Washington is the team’s best player. One only has to look at the 49’ers to see the future in the NFC West: Smash-mouth football. The 49’ers win with defense and a running game that moves the sticks, keeping the dominant “D” rested. This offense does not require an “elite” QB, just a disciplined one that throws off a Legitimate play-action threat. I believe the pro-bowl voting is an accurate reflection of the current Arizona Cardinal reality in 2012, Daryl Washington is our “franchise” player at this time.

  10. By Louisville Card on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Nice article as always Darren,

    Interesting to hear Plummer might be interested in getting back into football any chance the cards might look at him as a new qb coach if it becomes available next season?

  11. By Darren Urban on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Louisville —

    RE: Plummer

    I don’t see him doing anything but TV. From my time covering Jake, the last thing I could ever see him doing is being an NFL coach.

  12. By cardsalltheway on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Cardinals Underground:
    Please finish your train of thought “If the Cardinals don’t win in New York then…”

    Wolf rudely interrupted you or should I say saved you before you could finish, so here is your chance?

  13. By alexmannsportskings on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    This is what I hate about the Pro Bowl. Yes Larry hasn’t been the same this year so maybe he should sit out this Pro Bowl, but Rhodes, Peterson, Washington, Campbell even, should all be on that lists. Rhodes has had another season in which the fanbase looks at him and says ‘Wow he should be in the Pro Bowl’. Washington… Well he’s an utter beast. Campbell hasn’t looked like last year Campbell but he’s still making plays where needed and is one of the better DE’s in the league.
    As for Peterson… Even though he hasn’t done much in the Return Game, he’s done more than enough as a DB. 4 Picks, all amazing, and his coverage has been great. How many times have we seen the opponent throw his way and get a completion? Very nearly none. People are expecting to much in the return game and even last year we as fans even knew that his 4 punt returns were tough to match again. Maybe he’ll return 1 or 2 a season now but heck he’s still a tremendous playmaker for us and one of the Best CB’s in the NFL.

  14. By Safety Guy on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply


    If you are going to dream….dream BIG!
    Warner for QB Coach

  15. By georgiebird on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Massie will be an All Pro soon. And regardless of all the knocks thrown his way, Russ Grimm is the best coach on this team. And Ray Horton is easily the most overrated. Somebody has to tell Ray that you have to stop BOTH the run and the pass in the same game- does no good to stop one and let the other go unchecked-that’s what’s been happening all year.

  16. By Eric Y on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    I just read that Beanie sat practice because of his knee. Please tell me this is just precautionary.

    Also, I don’t know what the hell Whiz is doing with Skelton. Named the starter at the beginning of the season, gets injured and sits behind a resurrected KK, goes back in when KK gets hurt, plays a couple of poor games behind what at the time was an atrocious line, Potter steps in and the line plays better helping him play one of his best games yet against the Packers, then he gets pulled after missing a couple of big passes at the beginning of the Falcons game?… What the hell. Let a guy develop! I know the coaches are the experts but I can’t help but think there is something else going on. Something non-performance related. That, of course is just a crazy fan’s speculation/conspiracy theory.

    All aside, what’s the word with Beanie?

  17. By Darren Urban on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    Eric Y —

    RE: Beanie

    Yes, I believe it is precautionary.

  18. By Credit Card on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Good call by Whisenhunt not wearing a yellow sweater with a black squiggley stripe around the belly area.

  19. By Louisville Card on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    @safety guy

    Believe me when I dream it is big, but Warner already said he wasn’t interested in coaching. With 5 games left all we have left now as fans is dream weaving about next season unfortunately.

    I still believe the cards are just a few good FA pickups and a good draft away from contending though so I’m not going to call for Whiz’s head just yet like other’s. I’m still a big dreaming fan…

    I always liked Jake and still do. He would make a good commentator for AZ games, but I would rather see him on the sideline.

  20. By Safety Guy on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    Ive been die hard card fan since they got here. Wiz can weather the storm.O line coaches need to produce or get benched Only critisim I have is his play calling (not real good recently) and not a fan of his staunch approach on QB competition. I feel pick a QB give him the benefit of the limited off season practice with the starters to develop continuity and accuracy. Splitting reps hasnt worked out to well the last couple seasons

  21. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply


    Nice article on the Snake.

  22. By Chuck 1 on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    To: Eric Y

    Hell, he’s been developing for three friggin’ years!!!

  23. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply


    you have any memories about jake.I played with a ex-cards player who said 1 yr plummer bought them all louievotton travel bags lol

  24. By Darren Urban on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Hadzinski —

    RE: Jake

    Sure I have memories. Covered him for three seasons. Not a whole lot of good football. Heck of a Hail Mary pass in Philly in 2001 though.

  25. By sarah on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply


    I’ve started the petition “Fire Ken Whizenhunt: Replace Ken Whizenhunt” and need your help to get it off the ground.

    Will you take 30 seconds to sign it right now? Here’s the link:

    Here’s why it’s important:

    He just threw the last two games starting a rookie who was clearly over his head. Making the playoffs did not seem important to him ! He pulled a player the previous week after 7 passes whose previous game was his best. Instead he puts in a complete rookie with predictable outcome.

    You can sign my petition by clicking here or wait for the Jets post mortem.


  26. By Darren Urban on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    Sarah —

    RE: Petition

    Is it still legally binding if you don’t have the name spelled correctly?

  27. By john the draft guy on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    Funny, yes I’m OK with Whisenhunt but I want that Whizenhunt guy fired.

    You make valid points about pulling Skelton. My only thing I would say back is, it is never about one play or one game in sports. It is about a body of work, an attitude, the way a guy carries himself, how he responds to coaching,how he responds to failure, his ceiling or potential vs where he is at. Who else do you have and all the same questions about him.

    Although this may seem like a knee jerk reaction to a bad pass, all these factors have been considered for weeks and finally, the missed TD lead Coach Whisenhunt to make the move.

  28. By Eric Y on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    @ Chuck.

    I know what you are saying, but a bad start loses him his job??? You seriously think Lindley gives us our best chance to win NOW? You are insane.

  29. By Eric Y on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    …And probably from San Diego.

  30. By Eazy E on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    If Fitz don’t make the pro bowl, everybody dealing with the QB especially and O-Line should be ousted in some way. Whether that’s demotion, cut, whatever.

  31. By Eazy E on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    Their are the Lyles’ though we should keep of course. Potter seems like he doing something well and Massie after starting as poorly as you can ever, is coming on just a little bit not much though just a little bit.

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