Calm Whisenhunt talks about going forward

Posted by Darren Urban on December 10, 2012 – 11:46 am

The theme coming out of coach Ken Whisenhunt’s press conference today was that Whisenhunt wasn’t talking change. That doesn’t necessarily mean there won’t be any, I suppose, but there were no announcements or anything close to that Monday.

Whisenhunt, calmly answering all the questions you would expect, said again he wasn’t worried about his job. (At this point, I don’t expect anything in that regard before the end of the season, if it happens.) He said he talks every day with team president Michael Bidwill, but he didn’t say they have talked about his future.

As for his coaching staff, Whisenhunt wasn’t going to start analyzing their jobs publicly or speak on their future. He wouldn’t say he’d be making changes, but he wouldn’t say he wouldn’t either. “Out of respect to our players and coaches, they are all working hard,” Whisenhunt said. “It is easy to say, ‘Do this’ or ‘Do that.’ The number of hours these guys put in, it is unfair to them (to talk about it). … I don’t think that’s appropriate to talk about here.”

— Whether QB Kevin Kolb could be shut down the rest of the season would be “in part a medical decision.” Whiz said he knows what he has in Kolb and he has won. “The biggest thing you have to have … you know you will miss some games but you can’t miss a tremendous amount.”

— The Cardinals “have to look at all options” at quarterback this offseason, but given where we are right now, specifics were coming. Someone brought up Vince Young’s tweet that Young wanted a chance. Whiz declined to comment on that.

— Whisenhunt said center Rich Ohrnberger played with a knee injury yesterday and compared the situation to Lyle Sendlein playing with a knee injury a few weeks ago. We know what happened to Sendlein. Not sure what happens to Ohrnberger — Whiz said more info should come later — but that doesn’t sound like a good sign. If Ohrnberger is banged up, the Cards are down to rookie Scott Wedige at center, and he just signed when Sendlein went down.

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  1. By AZLogan05 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Alright Darren, something’s gotta give here.
    Has there been any talk of starting Feely or Zastudil at QB? Because at this point I think one of them would give us a better chance to win then either Skelton or Lindley.
    Seriously now though do you think VY would have a chance here? Or how about bringing Bartel back in and see what he’s got??
    I’m sorry but all of my hope is lost on Skelton and Lindley . That was worse then An embarrassment yesterday and something’s gotta give

  2. By Tom on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I know people want Whiz’s head, but ultimately, what can be done right now that will change anything? I suppose if Horton were going to get the job you could fire Whiz and promote Horton now to get him going, but other than that, putting a temporary coach in place certainly isn’t going to make the QBs play any better or spark the team to a playoff spot.

    However, I don’t agree that nothing should happen. Mike Miller and Mike McNulty should be fired to send the needed message, and for the remainder of the season Whiz should take over as OC and maybe Reich as QB coach. You never want to make rash decisions, but after this debacle they have to send a message that this isn’t tolerable and that it’s not just going to be accepted.

  3. By Jose on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    ……….. i normally do not talk cr@p about my team… i been a fan since before i even knew what football was……but i have gotten to the point where me… ME as a cardinal fan… feel embarrassed to be one and display it in my car’s lic plate, my house, even the tattoo i have of the cardinals logo on my arm…my jerseys all of them.. my game room decorations, my grill, my girlfriend’s cardinals tattoo, all of it… it all just makes me upset to watch / see all of that… i have paid to go watch games….. i have paid for merchandise, i have gotten into fights defending my team both verbally and physically… I am severely disappointed an as a DIE HARD fan and TRUE fan i DEMAND changes to be made so we the fans stop wasting our TIME and MONEY to see a LESS THAN MEDIOCRE TEAM every Sunday…. I feel SO SORRY for Fitzgerald… WE (the Cardinals) have ruined a PROMINENT, TALENTED, GIFTED, ABOVE GREAT, DESERVING PLAYER…at this point it would hurt to see him go to another team but i think it should be fair for him to go to a team where he at least has a chance to SHINE as he normally does ON and OFF the field. I am sorry Fitz you are my favorite player in all of Football… but at this point I am willing to let you go and I Could follow your career with any other team you got to (except the 49ers, please dont) Most likely this wont bee seen by nobody that matters and my words will go on a post that most likely will be unread by anyone from the cardinals organization… that would be able to take my plea in consideration for CHANGE.

  4. By donttakelosses on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    In stock markets its called a double bottom.

    Here too… NE game in the snow and this stinker.

    We’ll pay Seattle back and we’ll get a lot better… after we have another QB on roster and a healthy Kolb. Lindley still has potential, too early to tell, but Skelton had his shot(s).

    Haley whiff in off season was too bad… but we’ll get an OC too. Whiz took this squad to SB, that’s never a fluke. Like Awnold said we’ll “.. be back…”

    It may start Sunday, I’ll be there supporting our club.

  5. By D on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Stat of the Day

    The Cardinals offensive line has given up 173 combined sacks, hits and hurries. The next worst offensive line is Indianapolis with 135.

    Can’t believe your web server didn’t go down…

  6. By AZLOGAN05 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Alright Darren, somethings gotta give here.
    Yesterday cant even be classified as an embarrassment, it was just an absolute beat down in every facet of the game.
    Do you think there is any chance that the Cards would bring in VY? or Rich Bartel maybe? Or any other free agent QB in the NFL for that matter, because I have lost total hope on both Skelton and Lindley.
    How about we try Feely or Zastudil at QB, I really think they would give us a better chance than the actual QBs.
    As much as I like Whiz he’s gotta go, if he was to be fired, could you see Ray Horton coming in as HC? I really hope so.

  7. By Scuba steve on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t help but respect Whizs calmness and class. For that alone I hope he gets another chance

  8. By frustrated on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Is he fired yet?

  9. By Patrick Eagan on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I believe in Ken Whisenhunt. I really do. and I won’t stop.

  10. By "Whiz n Punt-goodbye" on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz has lost the team as THEY HAVE ALL QUIT!!!! At least get rid of the OC because he obviously has not been work ing hard. The play calling is so predictible it is a joke. Bring back Bartel as Kolb is done and Skelton and Lindley are a joke. Funny how teams who are not just concerned with profits let coaches go if the feel it is hurting them (Ravens-Cam Caneron). We just stick with a loser OC who gets out best WR 1 catch for 2 yards. Poor Larry-you career is ruined if you stay here as this rebuild won’t happen while you are still in your prime. DEMAND A TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. By NKAzCardsFan on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Re: Whiz press conference….. Just more of his same old canned remarks. Let’s face reality… the Cards have no more “options”, especially at QB….. Why do other teams all have rookie QB’s that are somewhat successful??? Stick a fork in him, the rest of the management and coaching staff…. They are done…. 4-12….
    Just the same old losing team year after year…….

  12. By Mike P on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    You have to love it – “they’re all working hard.” “You have to look at all options.” His press conferences are as imaginative as his offense. Just put a crash dummy out there with a recording. A calm Whisenhunt. There’s one of the problems. No passion. Almost makes you long for the “THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE” days! I have to laugh at the few out there who still say he should be retained “because he took us to the Super Bowl.” Sorry. I will close with this about passion – I used to care – and care a lot – about how the Cards did on Sunday’s. I don’t anymore. I watch for a bit now, and then turn to something else on Sunday Ticket. For those who say I’m not a real fan, maybe not! But I refuse to spend 3.5 hours watching an inferior product. Bidwill’s – eat the 5.5 mil, get rid of Whisenhunt and Graves, and get yourself a real coach and GM who have a clue.

  13. By MIKE G on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren– Changing the coach at this time does nothing. I would give the staff one more year. Injuries have really crippled this team offensively. I like Whiz and think he is a good coach but his failure to get a running game going the last few years has really hurt the offense. I know everyone is focused on the QB but the staff is calling too many pass plays as if Warner is the QB. Even with Warner they ran the ball pretty well with Hightower and Edgerrin James in the playoffs. Hey even if you look at rookie Andrew Luck in Indy – he is having a good year but he has 18TDS and 18INTS – The Colts have over 1300 rushing yards as a team this year and are 12th in rushing attempts per game. They have a foundation in the run game. I think the Cardinal brass has to focus on getting 2 huge lineman and get some power running going over the off-season. Their philosophy must change – they must get more physical.
    Only question is – Are Wells and Williams those guys.
    A lot of issues to address in the off-season. ====
    We will find out this week if Whiz has lost this team
    if they dont play hard following the 58-0 defeat!!!
    Darren–did you think Beanie Wells should have played more yesterday????

  14. By Darren Urban on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: Beanie PT

    I don’t think that made a difference.

  15. By suspence716 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    How in the world does whiz still have a job? They called me the other day asking me if i wanted to put a deposit down on season tickets. I laughed n said to him I was going to but not with the current coaching staff, no thanks!

  16. By Dynosoar on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    So why are we in a nine loss streak?

    QB completion less than 60%: could be the quarterback, the receivers dropping the ball, lack of production in the run game, poor O-Line, bad play calling, bad preparation in practice, the other team’s defense outplaying us, some combination of the above. The list could go on and on and on.

    It could go on and on at each of our “weaknesses.”

    We’ll have an offseason of discussion and come back next year. Please don’t make statements about being through with this team. If you really felt this and meant it, you wouldn’t bother stating it, you’d just disapear from the blog.

    We all love the Cardinals and it hurts to see a team we’re so passionate about do so poorly and we want to find a fix as much as the team does. Sunday was almost as ugly as my mug in the mirror every morning and if I can face my face each day, I can watch my Cardinals lose in this fashion and move on.

    Let’s ahve faith the ship will be righted. Ownership and staff and players all know our expectations are higher since the Kurt Warner years. We’ll be back to the playoffs soon. Other teams are going to go after FA’s from our dividion rivals this offseason and they’ll have to fight to maintain the teams they have.

  17. By GMAN on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Why don’t the Card’s give Vince Young a chance? At least he might be able to extend a play.I’d release Skelton,hire Young,ask Kolb to take a paycut and Keep Lindley for the rest of the year.Draft a first round quaterback and then have all the QBs try out next camp.The Rams,Redskins,Colts,Titans,Dolphins,Browns drafted good college qbs and they are doing good.

  18. By suspence716 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I’m out as a fan for now till whiz is gone, I can’t stand listening to him sidestep every question at his pressers every week! The guy is in way over his head!!!!

  19. By john the draft guy on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I listened to Kent Somers, Dan Bickley, Bob Yound, and Kevin Hunt last night on a sports show.

    One of them said, (not sure which) Whiz, the GM, should be fired but not sure about Whiz the coach. They went on to say these are the QBs Whiz picked.

    I know the normal process of how a draft works, so, do you feel this is a fair statement ?

    I have to say that this weekend was very interesting. And by reading the comments under “Seahawks aftermath” fans want blood.

    I look at it another way. I dont think Whiz is a bad coach. But here is the reasons I think a change in the FO along with coaches should be made.

    1) They didnt draft a single lineman for 3 years. How could you do that?

    2) Since Warner left;
    We watched the Rams draft Bradford in 2010 (1st)
    We watched the Seahawks draft Russel Wilson in 2012 (3rd)
    We watched the 49ers Drafted Colin Kaepernick in 2011 (2nd)
    while we drafted Skelton in the 5th and Lindley in the 6th rounds. This , as we have seen, was a disaster waiting to happen.

    3) The drafting of Michael Floyd (not his fault)
    To take a WR, saying best player available, when we had so many holes, starting at QB. To see 2 QBs drafted in the 3rd round starting for their team (Foles and Wilson), Weeden was drafted after us and the Rams willing and did trade the 6th pick away, in which we could have had Tannehill.

    That is 4 QBs drafted that we could have landed and we said no, we will go with a guy who has proven nothing except he can get injured, another guy who cant hit the side of a barn, and drafted another guy who makes Skelton look accurate.

    4) If, and we better, we draft a QB in 2013, it should be a guy who is chosen by the Head Coach to fit their system. If we keep Whiz another year and then fire him after he drafted his QB (ala Denny Green/Matt Leinart) the new coach is straddled with this QB that he may not like.
    New QB, New System, New Coach.

    5) The fan base.
    I’ve been to games where there was 20k fans in Sun Devil Stadium. I sit on the 50 yrd line and I can remember games I laid down across several seats. We are slowly losing the fans and going with Whiz another year might open the dam.

    I think Whiz is a good coach, but there is an old saying; There are two kinds of coaches, those who are fired and those who will be fired. It is the nature of the biz.

  20. By Darren Urban on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    John the draft guy —

    RE: Personnel decisions

    I think very, very few head coaches are successful both picking the players and coaching them. I like the idea of a separate person dealing with the cold reality of cutting and keeping players, without daily interaction.

  21. By Tim in NJ on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I have total faith in Mike Bidwill and GM Rod Graves to get this offense turned around in the off-season. The one mistake they made along with Coach Whiz was not having a veteran back-up QB on the depth chart (like a Vince Young) and choosing to go with two unproven late round draft picks.

    With QB Kevin Kolb this team won in New England, was 4-0 and very impressive and scary. And all Kolb was doing was managing the game (limiting turnovers, moving the chains, controlling the clock, extending drives, etc.) Since Kolb has gone down neither Skelton or Lindley has been remotely close to adequate and the team has spiraled downward big time.

    We are now the 49ers of 2009-2010. Top 10 (maybe top 5) defense and no offense. Once they got the offense straightened out last year and even better this year- we see the results.

    LQQKing forward to an exciting off-season and 2013 season. The defense will be back and the offense will be overhauled.

    Go Cardinals!
    ~Tim in NJ

  22. By georgiebird on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Very unfortunate year for the Cardinals-everything has begun to snowball. A proper evaluation of the players and the coaches is the only way out of this tailspin. Michael Bidwill holds all the cards.
    One thing that seems almost comical on this site is the inconsistency of most of the posters here. It’s one thing to be overly optimistic or overly negative but being inconsistent from week to week is the worst type of fan. Fans can’t at the same time brag over the great defense we have and then say what a bad job Graves is doing getting players.
    Fact of the matter is that Graves is a very mediocre GM; Horton is a very mediocre DC and the players on the defense (given the scheme they play) are overall a mediocre group.

  23. By Soares20 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    What a mess the offense turned out to be this season. Rookie right tackle, rookie left tackle, undrafted free agent rookie center, banged up running backs, no QB, terrible offensive line coaching and offensive play calling. Is there anything that’s even a little positive to look at from the offensive standpoint?

    I think so. Through all this mess there is hope. Our offensive system is complicated. IT TOOK A HALL OF FAME QB KURT WARNER THREE YEARS TO BE A GREAT QB IN THE CARDINALS SYSTEM. This will be Kolbs thrid year with the cardinals and I think everyone will be surprised what kolb does next year leading us to a winning record. Mark my words everyone who wants to get rid of him will be eating their words next season and cheering on Kevin with me. GO CARDS

  24. By D on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Right on John the Draft guy.

    For the team going forward, you either change now and draft a QB in rounds one or two, or keep Whiz, Kolb and a free agent and put all eggs in the basket for next year as a make or break for Whiz.
    Clearly, the fans want a young QB drafted to be groomed, if Whiz is the not right person, then changes are needed. To many fans, they believe Whiz is great with a Big Ben or Warner, with complicated timing offense attack–but with average or below average QB play, the fans have not seen him adapt to change. The Off tackles are still on an island, the running game is non existent and it always apears to take the full 30 second clock to get the ball snapped. Sometimes smart people like Whiz have a hard time dumbing down things or are just too stuborn to change.

    I would like to know what the percentages are between Graves, Keim and Whiz on the player personnel decisions since Warner’s retirement. Clearly, it stops at Graves desk, so he should be more worried than Whiz. Someone asked, Why would Horton want the HC job. After yesterday’s performance, his stock has dropped, so it’s not like he will get many inteview’s for NFL HC jobs this spring. (if Whiz stays and they release Grimm, I would give Horton the Assist HC title with a pay raise to stay at the DC spot)

  25. By Jeff on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Why don’t the cards bring in Donavon McNabb? I know he lives in the valley, I also know that he can complete open passes. VY I’m not so sure he can and he is a mental case. I still feel like one decent qb solves a lot of our problems. We have talent on the defensive and offensive side of the ball. When kolb was healthy we won games because he didn’t turn the ball over. That is all we need. Then we can draft a line and this team is much better. We are just missing the most important piece. Don’t fire whiz. I don’t want to go through any more rebuilding. Fire Mike Miller, how he is still a coach is beyond me. Let any decent football fan call the offensive plays for this team and i’m sure they would do a better job. Defense is still a top defense but it is impossible to bring that high level of resiliency and passion when you know your team only put up 6 points against the jets defense the week before. Especailly when you kept giving your offense good field position. I like watching PP he is just trying to do to much and it makes sense. But again, you fix the qb spot and I think everything else follows.

  26. By Blair on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    If they keep whiz for another year it’s going to be a money only decision. If that’s he case I’m following Horton next year until whiz finally isn’t owed any more money, then we will see how I feel at that point.

  27. By johnnybluenose on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    whiz remains calm. no surprise there. he’s in the prime of life, he’s a multi-millionaire and he’s a scratch golfer. he’s got it made…or will have just as soon as he quits or is fired. i would be calm in his situation too.

  28. By Dynosoar on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Injuries have decimated our team. We’re on our third string in many positions. QB, RB, O-Line, all offense. Until our players are healthy, I don’t see improvement. Is this the coaches fault? The new CBA rules? Just the physical nature of the game? The only rain in Phoenix?

    Just devastating.

  29. By Soares20 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Someone needs to go Whiz needs to send someone home I dont care who it is someone is to blame for 51 sacks……51!!!!
    In 2009 we were 6th in the leauge. Kurt Warner got sacked 26 times….Kolb got hit more times in 5 games then Warner did in an entire season. We are last in the leauge!

    Kolb is an accurate powerful armed QB. If i was him I would start acting like Culter. Start calling out the offensive line, yell at the offensive coordinator, chew out the offensive line coach. Not one of you could sit here and say what happened is his fault, most of us would have quite or not shown up. Why would you want to show up to game knowing you were going to punched in the mouth every other play and have your ribs busted and yet game after game kolb showed up…..Whiz I know Grimm is your good friend but he has to go if you want to save your job…

  30. By wnycardfan on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I give him kudo’s for the calmness and that’s his personality. But as someone else said, some passion in the midst of all heck breaking loose might be a good thing. He has always said “we stick with what works, we’ve seen it work etc” yeah, it worked 3 years ago, it hasn’t worked in the last 3 years. SO change it. I think Bickley was talking about in his article that when they were winning with Warner everyone loved him, they are losing with someone else and they all blame him. Well, that’s part of the territory. BUT, these are his guys. HIs QB’s he’s picked to lead and supposedly has tried to develop. So perhaps the guys all are sub-performers. OK, then why haven’t we tried to get someone else (like someone said, draft HIGHER)? There are too many glaringly issues here to simply say “its injuries, luck of the draw, etc” 3 seasons with 7+ game losing streaks? Poorest QB play in the league for 3 years? One of the poorest running games for 3+ years? ETC. How can you not find fault in the coaching, decisions, etc in that? FOR SURE, the players have some blame here, esp yesterday.
    No sense in firing him this season, 3 games, big deal, what’s the difference. You won’t bring in another QB with just 3 games, its a moot point. You can’t totally change your offense for 3 games either. SO we are stuck with the “same thing we’ve seen work before” for the rest of the season. I highly doubt that will change the results we’ve seen so far this year. My ONLY wish is that we don’t have anymore complete debacles like Jets and Seahawks.

  31. By beardinals on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Just punt on first down

  32. By BIG RED on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Soares, right now is not the time to be funny.

  33. By Christo on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Meh just checking in to see if Whis has been fired yet . . . honestly Bidwill what is the delay? You can’t move forward with him. Much like Ken knows what we have in Kolb, WE know what we have in Whis.

  34. By "Whiz n Punt-goodbye" on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, maybe you can talk to the front office and have them start selling all Cardinals jerseys with velcro names and numbers so we can change them when Whiz n punt chases off the good talent. Now I have a worthless Boldin jersey-chased off by Whizzy and now a Dockett-will be gone after season. And the worst thing is they got nothing for Boldin and I doubt they will get much for Dockett. Dont have a Wilson jersey but he will be gone as well, with nothing in return. I hope Dockett goes to a NFC West team to torture Whizzy next year since ownership will nor fire him. Good job Dock on your interview about supporting your DC and line coach. LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. By Rich on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Snyder can play center. Activate Kelemete at guard.

  36. By john the draft guy on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply


    You wrote
    John the draft guy –
    RE: Personnel decisions
    I think very, very few head coaches are successful both picking the players and coaching them. I like the idea of a separate person dealing with the cold reality of cutting and keeping players, without daily interaction.

    I agree. Mike Holmgren is a perfect example of that.

    I guess the question I am asking is, (the way the reporters were putting it), did Whiz make the decisions on personnel? Did he pick these QBs ? Does he have the ultimate say?

    Graves took a back seat to Green. Has he assumed that back seat since Whiz lead the team to the superbowl?

  37. By Darren Urban on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    John the draft guy —

    RE: Decisions

    I think Whiz has gotten the players he wanted. I don’t know if he officially has “final say” but there has been trust put in his choices.

  38. By Dynosoar on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s a bright spot, for all of us wanting Cardinals merchandise for Christmas, with the losing streak we can have more for less. Packers fans are paying an arm and a leg for their presents, I can get the same Cardinals gifts for less so I can have more.

  39. By Dave Chaney on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    In 1960 I was a 12 yo boy excited as could be about an NFL team moving to my city of St. Louis. I had been a fan of the Chicago Bears for a couple of years and now I was going to get a chance to root for MY team, the Cardinals. Wow, what a huge disappointment the past 52 years have been. I think the previous sentence has to rank as one of the grossest understatements of all time. But with wins and good season few and far between, I am still a die hard Big Red fan. I think the biggest question this franchise faces in the rest of the 2012 season and the off season is, “where do we start to fix this mess?” Fingers can be pointed at every level of the organization from ownership on down through the players on the field and maybe even include the cheerleaders and the guys moving the chains on game day. It’s that bad…but a new season will arrive next year and with it will come all the hopes and dreams for a good season and good performances. So hang in there Card faithful, you never know what the future holds.

  40. By walnutbackpack on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t find “calmness” (i.e., a lack of passion) in this situation to be an admirable trait. ESPN says the Cards have “imploded.” Lost nine straight. Worst defeat since 1944. Yet the coaches, the front office, the owners…have nothing to say. No ideas. No changes. Nothing. If this isn’t giving up, I don’t know what is.
    This was apparent in the SF game, when they kicked at field goal inside the SF 10 late in the 3Q trailing 24-0 at home. When they (inexplicably) removed Skelton with a 13-0 lead at ATL and refused to replace Lindley at NYJ. When they threw a 2-yard pass in the 4Q at SEA trailing 58-0. Two yards!!
    The Ravens fired their OC today after a 3-point loss because 9-4 isnt good enough for them. But Mike Miller stays in his position after a 58-0 loss. As Harbaugh said, Baltimore’s philosophy is: “whats important now-w.i.n.” For the Cards, 4-9 is just fine apparently. A team with a winning philosophy makes whatever changes are needed to win. A losing team sits on its hands and does nothing.

  41. By Daemonizer on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    There seems to be too little discussion about the GM’s role in this… who was responsible for all the horrible draft picks over the last ten years, especially picking a wide-out when the cards have no O line and sub-par QBs? Rod Graves has to go. I’m sure he’s a great guy and all but he has the responsibility here. I hope the Bidwells take care of this problem once and for all.

  42. By Scott H on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Instead of counting down the days until the season and this nightmare are over, iIwill instead count the number of days that Ken Whisenhunt still has a job but CLEARLY should not.


    Tune in tomorow for an up-date.

  43. By Cardfanfrmstl on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Fire Wiz now

  44. By Scott H on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Sometimes firing a coach in season is what a team needs to do just to show the fan base that what is happening / has happened will not be tolerated, that the problem is recognized, and that there is a committment to making changes.

    Well, if we’re not there after 9 straight losses and a 58-0 abomination against a division rival…then, that says to me that the organization is failing, once again, to address obvious needs.

    Is that a surprise? No.

    Is it tremendously disappointing? Yes, it is.

    This organization needs to be embarrased by empty seats, folks. Lots of them.

  45. By erik on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    RIch is right. I tought that’s why they got Snyder because of his “versatility”.

  46. By Cardfanfrmstl on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t kolbs wants to play or ever before. He is all about the money. Get rid of him with wiz

  47. By ak24 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t take a qb in the first round we need oline. Our biggest problem is oline, that’s why kolb got hurt. That’s why any qb we would draft would get hurt too.

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  49. By Scott H on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Jeff –

    Ya know, I really thought there was no way for this to get worse…until you mentioned McNabb. Funny how the rest of the league just doesn’t seem to realize that he’s out there, isn’t it? Amazing how 31 other teams – about half of which don’t really have the QB they need – are ignoring this obvious winner.

    Ok, can I stop with the sarcasm? You do realize I’m being sarcastic, don’t you?

    If you think McNabb is the answer for this team, then you really do belong in the front office, because you obviously subscribe to the same problematic thinking that has resulted in DECADES of failing to address the QB position.

    Did I hear someone else throw VY ( Vince Young ) out there again as well? Yup…yet ANOTHER obvious winning QB that the rest of the league has somehow overlooked…my gosh, how is this possible???

    Hey, anyone got Jeff George’s number? I’ll bet he’s not too busy, either…

  50. By bilo on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hoyer instead of Rich Bartel? – Did Bartel piss Whiz off or something?

    Bartel lights it in up in preseason, why was he even on the team if playing well wasn’t a criteria to playing in a regular season game? You just don’t treat people like this. Best of luck to Hoyer, but a real garbage move by Whiz….like I said you just shouldn’t treat people like this…hope Whiz is an investor in the next big Ponzi scheme, he deserves it.

  51. By californiadon on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    It is time to move on. Yes while many cardinal fans point to the rafters and our lone superbowl appearance, this coach has not developed any talent he has drafted on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe since we (err The Cardinals Football Club) have to still pay him for the extension they signed, keep Whisenhut as an assistant and let’s get a real head coach.

  52. By andrew marez on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Just go to where the ex fans are burning Hockey , Eagles , Cardinals etc…. jerseys with water and fire powder grab some out and there you have it… xmass gifts to idiots who dont know how to think.

  53. By poey386 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply



  54. By LarrytheLadylover on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    OMFG!!!!!! Ok so here’s the deal you throw in hoyer Sunday with no knowledge of any offensive plays and let him calls plays like we did when we were in grade school playing 2hand touch and I’m pretty sure we get more offensive yards than the last 2 games this is nuts!!!!!!! How did nobody get fired today !!!!!!! Someone ,anyone even if it was a assistant to an assistant to an assistat!!!!!! Well ,get mad every year but I will be back at the stadium like every year buying tix hoping things get better!!!!! Go Cards!!!!!!!

  55. By LarrytheLadylover on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    To Darren :
    I don’t believe anyone has asked you yet ,but can you throw a football? I think you give us the best chance to win !

  56. By georgiebird on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    There are still fans here making excuses for Horton and his mediocre defense. Yesterday was the 13th game of the season. By my count 10 of the 11 defensive starters who broke camp played yesterday. So, without a doubt, our defense has to be the healthiest defense in football- only OB, a marginal player, did not play yesterday. How can people continue to be so blind. The Cards’ defense needs big time help- Seattle exposed our defense and Horton big time.

  57. By scott023 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I have never ever seen the cardinals this bad ever! I have been a fan starting in 1969. Bud wilkinson was a joke and coach whiz makes him look good. Coach Whiz you have destroyed this team, shame on you coach whiz. I knew when you made Miller the o.c. you knew he had very little chance, you said you would help him. You always need someone to take the blame. Coach Green set this team up for you and you were lucky with qb Warner to save you. We can all see clearly it was never ever you. You ask a man like Dockett to lay down, it’s in his blood to never ever retreat. He could see when we get the ball back we suck. It’s the “D” that is all we have !’m Sorry Fitz, but you can’t throw the ball to you self!! Great talent here and you have destroyed this team. Please just leave, leave now! The buck stops with the head leader and that is Mr. Mike Bidwell. Get us a real Head Coach, if you care as you say, please fire this guy and no matter what you will show the fans you are taking charge and nine is enough!!!

  58. By Bob Roberts on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Every year it is the same thing. Been a Cards fan since I moved here in 1990. Most of those were 4 – 12 years.

    Blame the coach, blame the Bidwells……

    These are SUPPOSED to be professional football players that make more money in a year than most of us will make in a lifetime.

    No more excuses players, earn your paycheck or retire.

  59. By Credit Card on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Change needs to be done.

    First and foremost the name must be changed to the Arizona Pinatas.

    Naturally, we should also change teams colors to rainbow paper mache.

    Of course, the coaches and GM must wear a clown’s costume.

  60. By evansvc on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I am not Vince Young’s agent and I’m not related to him….I am simply trying to show that Vince Young is a viable option at quarterback to any team need one…………………………..
    Say what you want about Vince Young, (he can’t do this – He can’t do that). But facts don’t lie,… His NFL won/loss record right now is 31-19… He has taken his team to the playoffs… He’s a 2 time Pro-Bowler… He’s the 2006 NFL Rookie of the Year and in 2010 Vince had a quarterback rating of 98.6… It’s the undeniable TRUTH….
    The last time I checked, the NFL was all about “WINS and LOSSES”….
    ANY quarterback in the NFL with a 31-19 record would easily be given, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5… but as many chances as he wanted to play in the N.F.L…… Come on man!!!!! Is something wrong with this or what?????? Give the man a chance…. He’s 29 years old…..

  61. By Joshua J on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply


    Why are the cardinals not interested in Vince Young? I know the way he attempted to get an audition was not professional but I do believe he should have the opportunity to show what he can do on the football field with this team. Plenty of athletes in the NFL have been given at the very least, the opportunity to prove they are capable being productive on the field and have turned their off the field issues around. I don’t agree with the argument that he should be retracted to play in another league as Wolfley mentioned on the radio show but I do believe that he should have to prove himself again in the NFL which he has acknowledged that he would do.

    Everyone knows that he is interested in working out with the Cardinals, and I don’t believe that fact should embarrass them. With an athlete of his talent, the Cardinals should be flattered that he feels like he could help. As a Cardinals fan, please give me insight. Thank you.

    Joshua H

  62. By Darren Urban on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Joshua, pacardman —

    RE: Vince Young

    Does it not strike you interesting that the Cardinals and every other team in the league have not brought him in? He wasn’t good enough to stick with Buffalo as a backup. Clearly they feel the baggage Young brings to the table isn’t worth it.

  63. By cardsalltheway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Is MIchael Bidwill that out of touch with his holdings? Sounds pretty stupid to me and why is he so emotional? Why doesn’t he wait until Friday when he’s not so “emotional?” And doesn’t he get reports or “full reviews” each week? Ridiculous! He should be a gag man.

  64. By cardsalltheway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    $200.000 dollars of D. Dockett’s money could be lost if Ken W. gets fired now. How could the Cardinals win the appeal if they fire the coach that officially fined D. Dockett?

  65. By Dennis on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think any team will pick up Vince Young. His problem stems from the fact that he is not smart. Nothing between the ears. His wins came early on in his career, defenses learned that they could disguise coverage and he couldn’t read it. The Cards should have 7 picks in the next draft. Take the best QB prospect with the first pick, picks 2,3,4 take the best lineman available. Picks 5,6,7 take the best running back, D lineman and linebacker. Maybe take a flyer on Brandon Jacobs who will probably want out of SF. There will be a few FA that will be worth pursuing. Make Kolb restructure his contract if he wants to stay as a backup. If not cut him loose, no one will pick him up. Outside of Jake Plummer no prior Card QB has been a starter after leaving AZ. The Cards need to make many moves. Just Look at Indy this year. A complete new coaching staff and a Franchise QB and they turned it around and will probably make the playoffs!

  66. By Joshua J on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Dennis,

    VY is NO dummy by any means. People think he scored a 6 on his wonderlic but he actually scored a 16 on the wonderlic test, the same as Dan Marino. So he can read an NFL defense. After he was ousted by the Titans, he started only 3 games in Philly and never played a meaningful game in Buffalo. He can not be judged by those teams. However, if you judge his performance in Tennessee from 2006-2010 in which he won rookie of the year, had an above average QB rating, not counting the 08 season when he was injured and they made Kerry Collins the starter for the whole year. Vince’s last year there he got into an argument with Fisher which was his biggest mistake but not a big enough mistake to be black-listed by the NFL. He is still young but old enough to have matured. Trust me, the reports that have been told that he is not bright is all garbage, and those reporters who fed that to the media and nfl fans are the kind of people the NFL does not need. Teams need to do their own research on these athletes and I at least can respect Buffalo and Philly for taking a look at him. As a fan of the Cardinals, to not acknowledge the credibility Vince Young is able to bring to this team is disheartening and makes me unsure of the decisions and direction we are taking. Here is a guy who just wants to prove his worth and all the reports are about how a young black man in his 20’s mishandled his money and is unstable. He already addressed it and moved on. Arizona Cardinals, give the guy a chance and Card fans, don’t agree to everything negative you hear about him. He is still a starting caliber type QB in this league.

  67. By Joshua J on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    I, for one, am flattered that he would like to bring his talents to the desert and I feel anybody who has had the career he has had should still be playing in the NFL. Especially, after the debacle we have been seeing from the quarterback play so far in our own town. Kurt Warner was thought to be past his prime when he came but he came in and turned this franchise around. The difference is that Vince Young still has a lot of playing to do. With a good quarterbacks coach/offensive coordinator (which the cardinals need desperately whether he comes or not) he could reinvent his career. Every QB that comes to AZ in the future would be a question mark, why not give this guy a chance to prove he can do it here.

  68. By sezme on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    Before the preseason games began, l said I had no faith in the qbs. Kolb was too brittle and the others seemed too ordinary at best.
    I then suggested the Cards try to aquire Kellen Moore, the winningest qb in college football history (50/3), from the Detroit Lions. Kellen made the team and the caoches love his pocket poise and savy. He is a brilliant field general like with the calmness and accuracy of a young Kurt Warner, my favorite all-time qb. I followed Kurt from the Rams where he brought me, a Ram fan since 1947, my first championship season in 49 years!
    when the Rams summarily dumped Kurt, I dumped them. People said he was “done”, but his desire, intensity and spirit told me otherwise.
    So he went to the Giants, who dumped him for Eli, then to here. And I became a Cardinal fan.
    Sooner or later Kellen will get his chance to start and he’ll surprise everyone but us diehard fans. l’m just saying, now is the best time to try and steal him from the Lions.

  69. By Scott H on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    Scott023 –

    Re – “I have not seen the Cardinals this bad ever!”

    My God, just think about what THAT says!!! Maybe you just haven’t been around long enough.

    Stick around, my friend. This team does “bad” for long stretches and they do it like they mean business. Everything that the Patriots are, this team is the exact opposite. reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George realizes that every decision he has ever made has been wrong. Therefore, the opposite of every instinct he would have would have to be RIGHT! It appears that the Cardinals are the NFL equivalent of George Castanza.


  70. By Scott H on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    Today’s up-date –


  71. By dan on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    Cardinals are too cheap to sign Vince Young…….just being honest here.

  72. By Dennis on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    Actually Joshua J Vince Young did score a 6 on his Wonderlick test. He re-took it and scored a 14. You can verify that fact by Google. You can also notice that the Avg. score for a QB position is 24, so that should tell you something about why he tried to retake the test. Also the Titans still chose Young with the third selection. While he has won games in the NFL, his career numbers are far from impressive. Although he has completed 58 percent of his passes, Young has an identical number of touchdowns and interceptions (42). And to tweet Larry Fitzgerald and ask him to talk to Whiz for him…c’mon man.

  73. By evansvc on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you… Vince Young should be given an opportunity to play football in the NFL….

  74. By clssylssy on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Been a football fan all my life…grew up at Arrowhead in a Chief’s family before moving to Arizona and adopting the Cardinals as my team. One thing I have to give to Chief’s fans… they are REAL fans, come Hell or high water, win or lose (they’ve had more losing seasons than winners) ; that is a REAL football culture like you see other places with the Redskins, Cowboys, Saints, etc. The loss to Seattle was unfortunate and it’s disappointing that we started off so strong only to be decimated with injuries…but this is football. It happens to the best of teams..look at the Colts last year. I, for one,am proud that our coach does not get crazy and start screaming in press conferences. I appreciate a cool and calm demeanor as I don’t see how it is helpful to the team to be otherwise. The fact is that the Cards have had second and third string players facing starters for most of the season and replacements were not brought in to shore up the troops.Coach Whisenhunt is the best coach the Cardinals have ever had and will not have difficulty finding a job if the Ownership decides to kick him to the curb. The Cards will find out in a hurry that rebuilding is going to take longer than the fans have the patience to continue to support. The reality is that the last two years have been a disaster throughout the NFL from top to bottom and the players on every team are weary, have had moments when they weren’t playing their best. This past week alone the Texas and the Saints both suffered huge losses and they were playing at almost full strength squad wise, although the Saints were without their coach. A lot of teams who aren’t making the playoffs are talking about finishing out the season with their practice squads to give those players real playing time and evaluate how they do! I still back my Cardinals…players AND coaches and am only embarrassed that the so-called “fan base” is showing it’s true colors in such an ugly way! GO CARDS! LUV YOU GUYS!

  75. By Joshua J on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Actually Dennis, the test was inaccurately scored and falsely leaked. You can check that by google, yahoo, and wikipedia. On the one and only wonderlic test he took he scored a 16, same as Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw, and 2 points more than donovan mcnabb and randle cunningham, shoot even terelle pryor is a backup on the raiders and he scored a 6. Vick scored a 20, Brett Favre scored a 22, Payton Manning scored a 28, and the bust known as Ryan Leaf scored a 27. Blaine Gabbert, Greg McElroy, Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith scored higher than Payton Manning, but would you say they are better qb’s. Definitely NOT!! Terell Suggs (A D-Lineman) scored a 31. Should we throw him out there at QB because he had a great wonderlic test? Seriously?? Look at his Win/Loss ratio (30-17 as an NFL starter) and tell me if that is not impressive. That should be the only thing that matters!! The only person on this list who is more athletic than Young,a is Vick. Vince is a good situational qb just like Terry Bradshaw and Dan Marino. The fact that the Titans chose him 3rd in the draft is because he has great qb skills and is gifted physically. I appreciate your response, but I’ll have to agree to disagree with you.

  76. By Joshua J on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Our only focus in the draft should be offensive linemen and running backs and MAYBE a D-Lineman late in the draft if a good one is available. I wouldn’t have Fitz suffer with another rookie quarterback coming in. Keep our young qbs Kolb, Lindley and Hoyer (I don’t think Skelton should be on the team next year, He plays uninspired football) and sign a proven veteran qb who can battle Kolb for the starting spot. And my pick is Vince Young. I know there will be other good vets, but I, for one, would like to see a tryout for Vince at the very least. We shouldn’t sign any other qb without giving him a shot. He wants to play here and with a talent like that, I would see what he could bring to our organization!! Just saying..

  77. By Scott H on Dec 15, 2012 | Reply

    I’m all for Vince Young having another chance – as long as it’s not here.

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