Catches from the backfield

Posted by Darren Urban on February 19, 2013 – 3:12 pm

Just in case anyone wasn’t sure about new coach Bruce Arians wanting to get the ball downfield if possible in the running game, Arians makes it pretty clear what he wants to see in his running backs.

He wants someone who can run, of course. And block. Beyond that? Let’s just say that fantasy football players in points-per-reception leagues aren’t going to look at the Cardinals first.

“They are back there because they are runners and pass protectors,” Arians said. “Will we throw to the backs? Yeah. But the receivers are the ones paid to catch it. (Running backs) are helping but it’s doubtful our running back leads the team in receiving.”

Last season, injuries crushed the Cards’ running backs, so reception totals don’t correspond perfectly in what the prior staff wanted to do in the passing game, but even Ken Whisenhunt’s pass game didn’t use the backs a ton as receivers (especially after Tim Hightower left.) William Powell had the most catches for a running back last year (19), and that was sixth on the team behind Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Rob Housler and Early Doucet. LaRod Stephens-Howling was tied for seventh with tight end Jeff King with his 17 catches. Ryan Williams had seven receptions, Anthony Sherman five and Beanie Wells only had one.


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46 Responses to “Catches from the backfield”

  1. By D on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Goodbye Hyphen. Maybe you can hook on with SD

  2. By sqhead on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Well Beanie can’t catch, is horrible at pass-pro, and lately can’t run. I would say he is down the road.

  3. By AndyStandsUp on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Obviously, Ryan Williams is pet to the teacher, while Beanie Wells is the kid forced to sit in the front row. Though neither can pass-block; which could lead to an Issac Redman or Ahmad Bradshaw(?).
    Supposedly, Wells struggles in the zone blocking scheme that Arians uses as did Whiz.
    Darren, did the prior regime use that scheme as opposed to man-on-man? (I have no idea.)

  4. By Darren Urban on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    AndyStands —

    RE: Blocking

    The previous regime did not use zone blocking.

  5. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Interesting article. Protection above outlets.

    Well, on another note, I took a look at the last year of the QBs in our division. Does anyone still want Kolb?

    Kolb has played in 15 games (two years due to injury) for the cards . Almost one whole year. He has fumbled 10 times, 5 lost. thrown two 300 yard games, and has 17 tds to 11 ints. (16 total turnovers)
    His comp % was 59% and 57% over the last two years. While not throwing down the field (6.4 yards a comp in ’12 ) and around 3000 yards.

    Russell Wilson threw 26tds and 10 ints for 3100 yrds while comp 64% and 7.9 yards a pass. add in 489 yards rushing and 4 tds. and 3 fumbles lost. (13 turnovers) as a rookie

    Kaepernick started only 7 games, He completed 62.4% of his passes, average comp was 8.9 yards. While throwing fot 10 tds and 3 picks and 1800 yards. Projecting it out to 14 games, 20 tds, 6 picks and 3600 yards. Of course he ran for 450 yards and 5 tds too. 2 lost fumble (projected 10 total turnovers in 14 games)

    Bradford completed 59.5% of his passes for 3700 yards with 21 tds and 13 picks. with 1 fumble. (14 total turnovers)

    Kolb has the lowest comp rate, lowest yards per completion, Highest turnovers, lowest yards, lowest TDs, and has the worst winning %.

    And people keep saying we will be alright with Kolb. And your evidence is????

    Cut Kolb and draft a qb, just like i begged for last year.

  6. By joe67 on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Why did Sherman seem to disappear as his time with the cards has gone on. Used him very little last year. I thought they planned to use him alot more (as FB’s go). Was he in Wiz’s doghouse to? (I know he had some injuryies. I really like him and think he could help as an outlet, and the occasional run.
    He reminds me some of Jim Otis, except I think he could be even better, given the chance.

  7. By Andy Kw on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    Now that Steve Breaston was cut by the Kansas City Chiefs, is it possible for him to return?

  8. By Darren Urban on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Andy Kw–

    RE: Breaston

    He is a free agent, yes.

  9. By Rich on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    glad to hear that we have a coach who wants guys in the backfield to pass block (never happend under Whiz). Hyphen is probably gone, and Beanie doesn’t pass block….sooooooooooooo

  10. By Cardinals future owner 17 PHX on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Ryan williams is a waste of money and roster space

  11. By jeffgollin on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    I had hoped that – at long last – we would have become a good screen team (something that’s been alien to the Cardinals for years and years). Screens are part of any effective offense, and ours has been adventure any time we’ve tried it,- at least of late.

  12. By Frank on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Steve Breaston was just released. Lets get him back in AZ to back up Fitz!

  13. By D on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Replace Kolb with D. Stanton, bring back Hoyer and draft a QB in round 3.
    (releasing John S and Lindley too)

    Kolb’s cap number get’s worse as his deal goes, take the pain now when you have time as a new coach to build your program with your players.

    Stevie B is a UFA, I could see him land at home with Haley in the Burg. Good for him if it happens.

    BA’s draft choice in a QB this spring needs to be able to read defenses at the line, just like Stanford’s offense….brains and accuracy will be more important than his running ability.

  14. By Scott H on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    Having a back who is a dynamic pass catcher out of the backfield is a fine thing, but I don’t consider that a priority for this team right now. I’ll be happy enough just to see a damn RB for this team stay healthy for a whole season. It would be nice just to see a MUCH-improved O-line that can run block and give us a running game that can keep defenses from teeing of on our QB’s ( because they know we can’t run the ball ). I know the NFL is more of a passing league these days where the pass sets up the run more so than it did in the past. And I think that works just fine when you have Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees or Peyton Manning running the show. It worked just fine here when we had Kurt Warner at the top of his game. But while this may come as a shock to some, the Cardinals don’t have one of those guys. Yes, really. So…this team better be able to run the ball and prevent the games from being on the QB’s shoulders. I think we saw how that went last year. And I saw enough, thank you.

    And speaking of pass catchers, how ’bout having a TE that anyone outside of our own locker room will actually know because he is actually a part of this offense??? How ’bout THAT??? Honest to God, has there been a team over the past decade or two where the TE has been LESS of a factor than here in Arizona??? I swear, the last few years, you could look at a ranking of the TE’s in the NFL from 1 to 32 and litrerally NOT EVEN FIND a Cardinals’TE on the list. Might this FINALLY be the year that the TE actually becomes a factor in this offense???? Seeing how the TE has become such a major weapon in some of the most effective offenses in the NFL in recent years, it seems like something we might want to consider. TE’s serve as the safety valve for so many QB’s around the league. And it just boggles my mind that that has not been utilized HERE, where QB’s have needed more help recently than anywhere else on the friggin’ planet!

  15. By dieselbomb on Feb 19, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with you …

    Sherman, although capable, has been ready; but he hasn’t been made use of. Very troubling. Do you recall the pass reception earlier in 2012? Since we picked him up, he’s been there, but he hasn’t been used very wisely at all. It’s as though we have a 53-man roster and play 33 of ’em. What’s up with that? Everyone who made the team has one natural gift or other, why not use the whole team’s abilities?

  16. By Red and Black on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    There’s no need for Breaston , we are rebuilding a new team we need the best pieces to fill the holes, our receiving corp is not bad, the problems were worst qb play in the nfl and a struggling oline ,maybe next year we can draft a receiver ,c’mon people.

  17. By dieselbomb on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t disagree with the stats involving Kolb versus Wilson, Kaepernick and Bradford. It’s a good point to make.

    I think Kolb did the best of the three ( Kolb, Skelton and Lindley), and not enough data to compare against Hoyer.

    Kolb was used very effectively running the two-minute. But the team rarely used the Two-minute for the remainder of the season. That seemed to be the best showing for the entire 2012-13 season.

    So What’s left? A QB in the 2013 College Draft??? I don’t think there’s enough there to pin our hopes on that.

    Like it or not, Kolb is the best we have at the moment. Hoyer could prove quite useful, but his work will be basically all-new to us. That one start for the Cards was his first-ever start. We have no other numbers for Hoyer. We’ve got little or nothing to go on except for one TD and one pick from Hoyer. Free Agency isn’t happening for some weeks and teams with need for a QB are going to be fighting for ASmith, MFlynn and I don’t know who else. We need someone who can push it down field and survive. Unless someone comes out of the woodwork Flacco we have nothing to go on. Flacco will cost upwards of $100 mil if the Ravens don’t do right by him and he somehow slips away. Four consecutive playoff seasons and a SB win.

    Frankly, I think we have to go with Kolb, then possibly Lindley, then Hoyer. Lindley has more starts than Hoyer. If Hoyer passes Lindley in the depth chart, then maybe Hoyer. But at the moment, we’re just stuck …

  18. By Chris H on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    QB’s: come on guys Kolbs the ONLY qb on our Roster… anyone talking about Stanton (HE SUCKED IN DET when he got his shot he can’t move either) has no idea what there talking about. Skelton will be cut, Lindley will be cut, Hoyer may be able to pull a 3rd string or Practice squad.. No one seems to remember he was unemployed for most the year no one wants him. But I cut him Period. Keep Kolb as a starter, Draft a Backup and go from there. There is no one out there who is going to lead us to the Playoffs besides Kolb this year. Period. So give Kolb his chance behind a decent line and everything will be fine if not then we’ll be drafting top 5 next year. But Realistically Skelton Hoyer and Lindley will never be anything in the NFL. PERIOD

  19. By Chris H on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    RE Qb’s wait I’m sorry I should listen to you guys, The Ones who WANTED DA over Matt, Then Max Hall over DA, Then Skelton on Max, Then Skelton over Kolb you guys are terrible evaluators I told You Matt was better than DA he should have never been picked up as a backup, Hall is too small, and Skelton just needs to read plays faster and be accurate. Kolb is an NFL QB trust me like you didnt before and were wrong before. Kobs our guy

  20. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply


    Remember, very few people had Cousins, Wilson, Foles, or even Tannehill as franchise QBs ready to take over an NFL team. They all had flaws that forced them to the 3rd and 4th rounds. (The dolphins were said to make a mistake taking Tannehill so high in the first-many had him rated in round two).

    So, would you take any of the 4 QBs over Kolb right now? So because some of the experts say the QBs are flawed and should be taken in the 2nd through 4th rounds, we should stick with what we know is bad in Kolb and Lindley?

    Kaepernick was viewed a project and went in round two along with the Dalton, whose arm was too weak in 2011. Would you take them over what we have?

    I would rather gamble on something new than to go with a guy with stats like that above. Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones will be better than what we have and could be franchise guys.

    History doesn’t lie. Over 3 years, multiple injuries and poor performances. He was replaced by Vick in Philly, then replaced by Skelton here as starter. John Skelton for goodness sake!

    I know I am beating this into the ground but I keep reading we will be OK with Kolb. The same messages I read when I begged to draft Tannehill last year and cut Kolb.

  21. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    One other guy moving up draft boards is EJ Manual.

    Viewed a project, has great physical tools. I saw him make some really bad throws and decisions but he is gifted. I wasn’t high on another project two years ago, and look what Kaepernick is doing.

    He may climb into the first round after the combine and pro days.

  22. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry so many post in a row.

    I was just reading Gil Brandt’s top players. I have been on the band wagon with Tyler Wilson since I went to Arkansas and talked with some people there.

    Gil tends to agree with me. Mr Brandtcompares Wilson to Brett Farve and believes he will be a top 15 pick.

    A few highlights for those who dont know him.

    stepping in for an injured Mallett against eventual BCS champion Auburn in 2010. He caught scouts’ attention by completing 25 of 34 passes for 323 yards and four touchdowns that day –- in less than three quarters of action.

    Wilson earned first-team All-SEC accolades and was a finalist for the Manning and Unitas Golden Arm Awards with 3,638 passing yards and 24 touchdowns (against just six interceptions).

    After Bobby Petrino’s firing and the departure of three extremely talented receivers, Wilson didn’t look as strong as he did the year prior. The Razorbacks finished with a 4-8 record, and Wilson completed 62.1 percent of his passes for 3,387 yards, 21 touchdowns and 13 interceptions.

    Even his off year is better than anything we have.

  23. By Brian on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    Listening to Drew Stanton yesterday during his radio interview, seems like he is dead set on coming to AZ to fight for a spot. He said money doesn’t matter(which I’m sure his agent is cringing about) but it sounds like all he wants is an opportunity to be a starter after getting stuck behind Stafford and Luck and if he can successful then the contract will come down the road. He raved about BA and the talent that is already here. Sounds like we know at least 1 QB who will be added to the roster and if Kolb will take a pay cut, we’ll go into next year with Kolb, Stanton and a rookie QB all competing for the starting spot.

  24. By Doug Woiwod on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    By all means,do something to move Beanie along, has been the biggest bust of all. Only looks good when the O-line is doing their job. No ability to hit the hole or pull off any power runs. As a matter of fact, What kind of runner, is he???

  25. By sezme on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    D, you just given the perfect description of the perfect pocket passer who has taken D Stanton’s place as the Lions third string QB, Kellen Moore from Boise State. Kellen was 50 and 3, the best in college history, 5 points away from being 53 and 0. He out played Colin Kaepernick all 3 times they played. And while, in last year’s draft, the NFL scouts, including the Cardinals scouts, said he was the savvyest pocket passing QB but he was too small! At 6’1″, he’s 2 or 3 inches taller than Russell Wilson! His compltn % was over 75% his last year of college and never under 69 %. In 4 years he threw for 143 TDs and 21 ints.
    the Lions

  26. By erik on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    Well said JTDG, Kob is not our best option. Time to cut him and ride with a rookie.

    I think a big problem with the run game (besides health issues) is the interior line. This is why I am a huge proponent of taking Warmack. I guess a tackle like Fisher would be nice, too. The problem then is where do you put Levi? If the new staff is willing to move Levi over to a guard position, I am all for drafting a Tackle 1st. The last regime was absolutely opposed to moving anyone to a different position. It will be interesting to see if this new staff tweaks a few things in that way.

    I know people (Darren) will call me stupid, which I probably am, but what would be the harm in moving A-Dub to OLB? He only needs 5-10 more pounds on him and we know he can rush the passer. I know it won’t happen, but I don’t want to see the guy get cut. He is my favorite Cardinal.

    Also, why not bring Breaston back? I’m sure he won’t command the same contract he got from KC. He could be very cheap, in fact. He was a fan favorite. They should look at him. I’ll take him over Doucet any day.

  27. By iammattyoung on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    Man alive this is going to be a tough offseason. Here’s a depressing piece of info: the veterans on our line are locked up for the next 3 years(!). In my opinion, you have to cut two of the three and draft two O-linemen in the first two rounds. This way, you save yourself $4-7 mil this year, and even more down the line, while bringing together a solid line to serve you over the next four years. Then, take Tony Jefferson and Tyrann Mathieu in rounds 3 and 4. Kerry Rhodes and ADub are eating up cap space, and would be a huge relief to part ways with next off-season, giving you the money to lock up Patrick Peterson. Take Rex Birkhead in round 5 (look at the stats and the highlights, the guy is an Alfred Morris type, only he put up better numbers in a tougher division).

  28. By ored on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    not adverse to giving kolb a shot with new regime,but has to be under favorable contract terms.if he can catch fire like at the beginning of the season,then with improved o line play,play calling,real coaching,not the unemotional pitch “that you guys are professionals so play like it”.these guys are still kids(DD’s actions and others on twitter,etc),that’s not a knock but they need more than just a playbook and instructions that do little more than say “do your job”,while that’s the ultimate goal,it would be helpful to coach up the nuances,how cover or block effectivly without drawing flags,or tricks to getting open without being flagged for pushing off,etc.,those are the real game experiences especially the new to the league need,basically what is overlooked and what is called in the nfl.ever notice how many broken fingers on ball handlers,whatever it takes to cause a turnover,so coaching not only to protect the ball but yourself as well,probably only reason we have’nt had a holyfield ear incident is because of helmets,lol.we have enough coaches with years of seeing it all,they need to impart some of that wisdom,the same with the vets that have been around awhile,should be renewed film study(did wonders for massy).
    also target some fringe players that may go undrafted,last year there was a l tackle from a small school that did ok against the big boys,he went undrafted and i think the patriots got hime,we could maybe have used him,some mocks even had him going to us.if possible and the seperation close ,keep instate player home,good for fan recognition.hint-duke qb from scottsdale,injured and probably will not be drafted but had an impressive year,put him on the ps and coach him up,even so we need to be more proactive on drafting qb’s every year,not only do they have value in emergency situations but also to garner draft picks at some point.
    anyone else impressed with how quickly seattle turned things around,they thought outside the box,stood by their evaluations and played to the players’ strength,not a big fan of carroll,but need to give him props,did it his way,not the steelers way or whatever,some things are so good that they serve as a template,but the game evolve every year and some originality needs to be introduced.whatever bird rises in phoenix (glendale).

  29. By Mike Ellingboe on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    @John the Draft Guy,

    I wasn’t going to play, but since he’s become your favorite punching bag, I’ll answer your question/comment below:

    “And people keep saying we will be alright with Kolb. And your evidence is????
    Cut Kolb and draft a qb, just like i begged for last year.”

    Best evidence for Kolb is very simply in our record. 4-2 with him, 1-9 without. Wilson and Kaepernick were largely effective due to the way they were used. Harbaugh put Kaepernick in the same alignment he used in college, and Wilson’s development was greatly assisted by being able to lean so heavily on Lynch, and to Carroll’s credit, recognizing his viability in the pistol. The OL’s of the three teams isn’t worth discussing, too much of a mismatch. I don’t see how either Kaepernick or Wilson steps into our vertical offense, with our OL and run game, and matches what they did last year.

    Draft a qb? Sounds very simple, but let’s throw some stats out on that: QB #1 (Kolb) had a rating of 86.1, completion % of 59.5, 8 TD’s to 3 INT’s, with 1169 yards before getting injured. QB #2 (Tannehill, a guy I think you like) had a qb rating of 76.1, completion % of 58.3, 12 TD’s to 13 INT’s, and 3,294 yards in a full season of work. Given a full season (using your Kaepernick assumption), Kolb’s numbers win a lot more games than Tannehill’s (yardage about the same, the TD/INT ratio greatly tilted in his favor). Plus, had we found a trade partner to get him (doubtful, with Miami’s open desire to take him at #8) would have gutted our next 2-3 drafts, so goodbye to the possibility of Fisher, Warmack, Joeckel (if everyone goes brain dead in front of us), etc., and who knows what in the next season or two. None of that even addresses the reality of Tannehill getting to follow his college coach into the pro ranks. Fair to say his numbers benefitted accordingly.

    I’ll grant you this, I still like Kolb better in the WC and I don’t know that Arians’ projected offense sounds any different from Whisenhunt’s. But as Dieselbomb accurately points out, with what we’ve got you don’t get rid of the one NFL QB on our roster without a viable replacement, which we clearly do not have at this point in time. By every knowledgeable account, it’s a weak draft for the position and the projected FA’s look even worse. Replacing him isn’t as simple as you make it sound.

  30. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe,

    You talk about Kolb as 4-2 but he was 1-6 the previous year right? You have to be fair when arguing. Using the win-loss record has grown old. What was Skelton in 2011?

    Several things you said makes Kolb a candidate to be cut.

    One, if he played a full season…. When has he done that? three years (two in AZ one in Philly) becomes a history.

    Two, comparing a 5 year vet to a rookie? Really? BTW, I used a full season (15 games Kolb has played) 17 tds 11 ints 3000 yards 58% comp and 10 fumbles. That is a full year of work. But even with your projections, would anyone who knows football take Kolb over a franchise guy like Tannehill?

    Third, Offensive line. Coach Arians said the line was worse in Indy than Cards. Kolb created many of his own sacks holding on to the ball and staring down receivers. Funny seeing Luck (another rookie) perform well and lead a two win team to the playoffs behind a worse oline. Could it be possibly the QB?

    Finally, will we take a step back by going with a rookie QB? Most likely. But we aren’t unseeding the niners and seahawks next year with Kolb. And by going with Kolb, it sets us back the next year. Clear cap space, release Kolb and draft a QB.

    Listen, for two years I have begged this organization to draft a QB. For two years we played musical QBs. For two years we passed on 8 starting QBs (9 if you count Foles) not to mention Cousins and Mallet who are good backups. These are the ones we could have drafted. Not to mention the ones we couldn’t. (Luck, RG3 and Cam) But for two years we have been told Kolb is the answer. Now, you are trying to tell me that we shouldn’t draft a rookie and go with Kolb a third year. Really?

  31. By erik on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply


    JTDG is right. and you can take that “4-2 with him, 1-9 without” statement and flip it around completely for the season prior. I don’t want to be a jerk, but Kolb is not THE GUY! Seriously do not understand what some people still see in him!

    He may be the best we have RIGHT NOW, at this exact moment, but that will soon change.

    Also, I remember the majority of people were upset about the cutting of Leinart in favor of DA. Hindsight is 20/20, but if we all sit around saying that we knew way back then what would happen, we would sound like a bunch of A-holes.

  32. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    One more thing Mike,

    Look at young QBs
    Dalton – went from 58% comp to 64% in year two. Everything up TDs Rating ect.
    Ponder- went from 54% comp to 62% in year two. Tds up, ints down
    Locker- went from 51% to 56% in year two

    get the picture. Rookie QBs struggle and get better.

    Kolb – In 09, QB rating 88.9, comp 64.9, each year it dropped with last year a 59% comp % and 86 QB rating. Not going in the right direction.
    I also would argue he has the best wrs to throw to also. Kolb is a guy who will play 7 games, throw 58-60 % comp%, 10 tds, and 5 picks with 3 fumbles and a rating of 85%. It just doesnt make sense not to move on.

    Alright, I am off my soapbox and Ill leave Kevin alone.

  33. By Andy Kw on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    Please comment on this if anyone reads this:
    QB Kevin Kolb can function better with a good offensive line and will will get that in the 2013 season so I expect him to remain the starter. RB Beanie Wells came back from injury so we should have expected the rough comeback. He is still the 1000yd back and I expect him to be back to full form this upcoming season since we will be relying on him a lot on the run and some on the pass. WR Larry Fitzgerald will be back to full power too with the return of LT Levi Brown. We saw the huge dramatic impact of the injury of Brown on this team so we know he is a key comment moving forward. Levi Brown should retain his role as the starting Left Tackle. I see Andre Roberts doing better in the slot due to his height and we did draft WR Michael Floyd for a reason last year so I expect him to be promoted to number 2. Levi Brown, Lyle Sendlein, Bobby Massie, and Daryn Colledge should be our starters in the 2013 season. Adam Snyder had a really iffy 2012 season and our cap space is low so it might be the end of Snyder on this team. I don’t want to jinx anything but this is my prediction for the 2013 season without going too overboard. I think Kevin Kolb will have his first full season as the starter starting all 16 games.

    Offense Rank : 14th, Passing Rank: 13th, Rushing Rank: 11th, Points Rank: 13th
    QB: Kevin Kolb 340/560 60.7%, 3800yds 29TD 14INT, 27rush 230yds 3TD
    RB: Beanie Wells 230-1100yds-8TD, Ryan Williams 120-520yds-5TD
    WR: Larry Fitzgerald 92-1300yds-12TD, Michael Floyd 60-1030yds-5TD,
    Andre Roberts 40-500yds-4TD
    TE: Rob Housler 50-400yds-4TD, Jeff King 17-150yds-1TD
    LT: Levi Brown (5 Sacks)
    LG: Daryn Colledge (2 Sacks)
    C: Lyle Sendlein (3 Sacks)
    RG: Adam Snyder* (3 Sacks)
    RT: Bobby Massie (6 Sacks)

    Defensive Rank: 8th, Pass Defense: 9th, Run Defense: 15th, Points allow: 16th
    DE: Calais Campbell (50tckl, 8.5 sacks, 4FF)
    DT: Darnell Dockett (60tckl, 7 sacks, 2FF)
    NT: Dan Williams (30tckl, 2 sacks)
    LB: Daryl Washington (140tckl, 14.5sacks, 4FF, 3INT), Sam Acho (60tckl, 7 sacks, 2FF, 1INT), O’Brien Schofield (40tckl, 5 sacks, 2FF), Paris Lenon* (90tckl 3 sacks, 1INT)
    CB: Patrick Peterson (60tckl, 1.5 sacks, 8INT, 2FF), William Gay (40tckl, 3INT, 3FF)
    S: Adrian Wilson (60tckl, 4 sacks, 3INT, 1FF), Kerry Rhodes (80tckl, 2 sacks, 4INT)

    Jay Feely, Dave Zastudil, Mike Leach will all do a fine job.

    As for the record, I don’t have a prediction yet but I know it will be better than 5-11.

  34. By Scott H on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    Chris H –

    First, who the F is Kob???

    Second, OK, so all we have to do is listen to you because you are always right and the rest of us are idiots? Wow…to think of all the years I’ve wasted not knowing this…

    I’m just wondering how you can overlook the FACT that kolb ( or Kob, if you prefer ) has missed significant time for 3 consecutive seasons due to injury. Seems to me that any belief that this does not matter would fall under the category of wishful thinking. well, as the saying goes, you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first.

    I ain’t interested in going into yet ANOTHER season wishing and hoping our QB can stay healthy. The Cardinals have counted on this for the past two seasons, the Eagles counted on it the year before that. Each time, Kolb ( or Kob, if you prefer ) ended up wearing a baseball cap and watching from the sidelines.

    I say we take a new direction, and recent hx seems to support that as a sensible line of thought. Not bad for an idiot, eh?

  35. By alexmannsportskings on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    This whole idea that Arians won’t be targeting Runningbacks as receivers shouldn’t matter much anyway…
    Arians last year targeted his RB to catch the ball 50 times out of 603 total attempts, that’s 8.3%
    The Cardinals weren’t to far behind… Targeted their Backs 75 times out of their 586 pass attempts, that’s 12.8%.

  36. By ored on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    agree,don’t think there is a qb capable of stepping right in and doing a better job than kolb at this time.woul be cool to get stanton for cheap to compete,then draft for potential,i like bray,knock on him is immaturity,character concerns,so give him a shot of puberty,kid has mad skills.if not him,whoever the staff feels good with,i think ther are 9-10 qb’s with talent for the nfl to some degree,due diligence,a little luck(we can only wish)give him a year to incubate,and,viola,nfl qb.
    we all know the name o-linemen,we pretty much need better guard play,does’nt have to be with our 1st rounder though,hard to kick massy out of rt.tackle spot,and levi would rock at rt.guard,so what if he’s paid tackle money,look at what we’re paying our guards right now and look at what we’re getting.
    this would be a contract year for beanie,so take advantage of it,with better o-line he could revert back to a beast.draft for the future,i like bell from,gillislee from florida,or the kid from clemson,or one of the little known sleepers late or undrafted.
    but lets do get a pass rusher or two(be nice to platoon to keep them fresh),do get a run stopper in the middle,clone vaccarro and take him late, that and we’ll improve this year,more of the same next year and we’ll bird rising.
    also since we probably keep snyder due to cap,give him more time at center,see if he’s best there,he has better size.and just like with qb,draft a quality lineman every year or two for depth and they usually take a couple of years to come around.

  37. By ored on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    the stanford kid plays outside but also inside,like the de from ucla,and brandon jenkins from pass rusher.

  38. By AndyStandsUp on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    @ Mike
    Love the reasonable, thought out response. Keeps me glued to this site more than the “bidwells loose, need offence w/McNabb” answers.
    However, this is a business and Kolb currently is making more than his value that he has presented. Will be interesting to see how this plays out this week with management and his agent in trying to restructure. He HAS to renegotiate or face being released, IMO.

  39. By sezme on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    oops! (this “Comments” protocol was obviously not set up for smart phone commentors. So hang with me please.)
    …the Lions are sold on Kellen Moore for their future, but he’s almost 25 and WANTS to play. So BA and Keim may want to approach the Lions with a trade offer or draft choice because they went 4-12 and need help everywhere b.

  40. By garrett on Feb 20, 2013 | Reply

    Bring back Tim Hightower. Runs great in the zone blocking scheme Arians likes, and he is a great pass blocker. let go of some of the other RB’s as well which will allow for some cap space if needed.

  41. By Mike Ellingboe on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    A few things in response, but with all that’s been written I don’t want to write a novel. First, John asked what evidence we have to bring Kolb back. Anyone could see our offense was at least viable until he got hurt. What did it take us, over seven games to finally throw a TD pass to end the season? I never said he played well two seasons ago, the concern a lot had about the change in offense from WC to vertical proved to be valid, as did the reality of bringing in a new QB, with very few exceptions they too, take at least a couple of seasons to adapt to a new offense. Kolb’s numbers improved significantly (here) unlike Skelton’s, since his name was brought into it. Obviously his completion % would go down when taking into the account the offensive systems in place between here and Philly. Is he ideal in a vertical offense? No, but I conceded that. I agree he’d cost too much to keep, and his contract needs to be restructered but sad as it is, he is light years ahead of anyone else we have, and the draft isn’t likely to produce anyone better.

    On that note, I do have a major concern with Arians’ comments about Indy’s line vs ours. We don’t have Andrew Luck, and we’re not going to get anyone of his caliber anytime soon, if ever. Most of the ‘magic’ surrounding their season was due to his amazing play. Put anyone else (outside of the league’s true elite) into that system and Indy is picking first again this year so let’s not make it sound like some “rookie” who can overcome a bad line is the answer to our problems. He’s a once in a decade QB, and anyone who knows football can see this draft has no one in it capable of tying his shoelace. I’m really hoping we don’t, but the Glennon at #7 thing is gaining too much steam for my liking. Whisenhunt’s biggest mistake was in not recognizing that it was Warner, not his system, that worked. It’s beginning to sound like Arians may be making the same mistake with Luck.

    Not saying not to draft a QB this year, obviously it’s imperative that we come up with a good, long-term solution. But you go and jump the gun and cut Kolb, and that leaves us with Skelton, Lindley, Hoyer and an unknown rookie going forward. Does that sound good to anyone? I can’t recall seeing an offense as inept as ours after Kolb went down, and I don’t see many QB’s in this draft ready to run a vertical offense at the next level. Try to find one, but don’t pass on a blue-chip LT throwing darts at a board. Take what you’re given, and build everything else up around the QB (like SF and Seattle did) and you’ll find the search for a QB much easier.

  42. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Mike Ellingboe,

    Choosing the best of 4 bad QBs is no way to run a team. Plus, we will be going with Skelton/Lindley/Hoyer at some point if we go with Kolb. I clean house, bring in someone who knows the system like Stanton and draft a QB.

    Not sure why you feel there is no QBs in the draft? Take out Luck and RG3, and last year’s draft is the same as this year. Geno Smith is a raw talent much like Tannehill was last year. Then you have guys like Oswater, Foles, Wilson, Weedon and Cousins, Remember, they were rated 3-4 th rounders due to flaws.

    Would any of these guys give us more hope than Kolb? Heck yes.

    As I put above, I am a Tyler Wilson fan. As Gil Brandt said, he expects him to go in the top 15 and compares him to Brett Farve. You don’t see that on many boards (CBS Sports has him going #8 to Bills). Yes, as a rookie, he might be like Dalton or Locker, but to build a future thats what you need to do. Who knows, maybe he gives us a Russell Wilson season. I already know what Kolb will give us.

    I agree with you on Glennon. I am of the same mind as Tom Landry. If they are inaccurate in college, they wont be accurate in the pros.

    Protection; Yes Luck is special. So is Rodgers behind his bad line, Cutler behind his bad line,.Romo behind his bad line. heck we saw it with Warner and his questionable line. I personally think it goes hand in hand. I know Kolb made the line look worse than it was. Sure, I would improve the oline, but even with Joeckel and Womack, I still see Kolb holding the ball, staring at one wr, running out of the pocket instead of stepping up and not seeing the whole field.

  43. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Oh one more thing, It doesn’t matter what kind of contract Kolb has, I release him. Don’t redo his contract. I see no value to this team with Kolb.

  44. By Mike Ellingboe on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply


    Choosing the best of 4 bad QBs is no way to run a team

    It’s better than going with the other three. I agree with some of what you’ve said about Kolb, but I can’t disregard the fact that he made very significant strides after his first season here. If we look at Matt Schaub’s first two years in Houston you’ll notice a similar spike in his TD/INT ratio. Does he share some blame for how the OL looks? Some, but not all. Batiste, and at the time he was blocking for him, Massie, were a pair of turnstiles. I still maintain that outside of Fitz, we don’t have a starter on our offense that would be one on the majority of teams in the league. Glaring lack of talent on the line, no run game to speak of (although I’ve always felt we don’t use Wells the way we should), TE’s, non-existent. Once Kolb went out we saw just how bad our overall talent level on that side of the ball really was. I’m nowhere near as convinced as you are that any of the guys you mentioned (Osweiler, Foles, Wilson, Weedon and Cousins) would be an upgrade with what we currently have in place. An upgrade over Skelton and Lindley? Absolutely, and to your point there’s no doubt we should have placed more emphasis on it in past drafts. But if we’re going to bank on an unknown rookie I’ll feel much better about it with a QB I know can step in and win, as opposed to having the three stooges in charge of the huddle for another season, should the new kid in town succumb to the same issues his predecessors have.

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