The Alex Smith speculation

Posted by Darren Urban on February 21, 2013 – 9:13 am

Finding an answer at quarterback is again on the agenda for the Cardinals this offseason. One potential target could be 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, who is no longer needed in the Bay Area thanks to the rise of Colin Kaepernick. But Smith is under contract with the Niners, and they are going to try and get something out of him, clearly. Matt Barrows does a great job breaking down the Smith situation from the Niners’ perspective, but the Niners aren’t committing to anything. Yet.

“Are we going to trade him for sure? No, that hasn’t been decided,” 49ers general manager Trent Baalke said this morning here at the NFL Scouting combine.

Of course, that may mean releasing him instead, which, with my thought process, would be the probable way he’d end up in Arizona if he ever were to end up in Arizona. I don’t see the Cards trying to trade for him, not after what happened in the Kevin Kolb trade. Unless you think Smith can be your long-term answer — and as well as he was playing in SF, I don’t know how you could be confident in that — he’s going to be a short-term solution. Smith also could have other suitors, and maybe the Browns (who have Norv Turner as OC after Smith played well under Turner as OC once upon a time in San Fran) will want to deal a pick for him.

I know there are plenty of people who think Smith is a suitable choice for the Cards if the Cards could make such a move. But the QB situation remains fluid for both the Cards and the Niners and many other teams in this league. I don’t see Smith being all that thrilled being forced to be a backup next season for Kaepernick, nor do I see the Niners being thrilled with paying him some $8 million to sit. A move of some kind seems inevitable. So can San Francisco generate a trade market?

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  1. By D on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    If I were the Browns, I would be agressive going after him. KC may also go after him too. Cards are not in a position to get into a bidding war for him if he is released. If the Cards sign a FA QB, probalby will be D. Stanton, although M. Moore from MIA maybe a better bridge to whoever will be the long term solution for AZ

  2. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    “Finding an answer at quarterback is again on the agenda for the Cardinals this offseason. ”

    “Again” , Darren is the key word. Matt Leinart stands alone as the only 1st round QB draft pick this team has gone with over the 22 years in the valley. (was it Stoeffer who was a supplimental 1st rounder? )

    We have watched this team pass on QB after QB year after year trying to find some washed up or released guy to lead the team.

    And while I would entertain the idea of getting a vet like Palmer or Smith, I wouldn’t pass on a drafted future starting QB.

  3. By AndyStandsUp on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Let’s look at the situation:
    In one hand, I have Smith.
    In the other, I have Kolb.

    Can I just wash my hands of the whole situation?

  4. By iammattyoung on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    It just doesn’t make sense to go after Alex Smith, whether through a trade or free-agency. First and foremost, he’s not a huge upgrade over Kevin Kolb. Second, cutting Kolb costs the Cards $6 mil in dead money, on top of whatever they’d have to pay Smith. That’s a lot of money for a temporary solution that isn’t an upgrade. Third, if a trade were to happen, we’d just be helping an already strong SF team that we’re competing against to get into the playoffs. Hopefully, THIS front office is smarter than the last.

  5. By erik on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Please Cardinals, NOOOOOOOO!

  6. By Mr Robles on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Darren hear of any contract talks between our own players?

  7. By Darren Urban on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Mr Robles —

    RE: Contract talks

    Discussions are are going on, Steve Keim said. Nothing is imminent.

  8. By Kevin S on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    I hope we draft someone and have him battle it out with Kolb. Even if they don’t get the job day 1, no one will be surprised if Kolb gets hurt and the rookie takes over. Smith was great the last two seasons (17/5 and 13/5 TD/INT ratios; 70% completions last year) but even with that 70% completion rate last year his career rate is below even Kolb. Stick him behind an average to below-average O-line and maybe he is no better than Kolb. And of course people are talking about Stanton because of the Arians connection… I’d rather not pick up someone else’s backup again unless our staff really thinks there’s a Rodgers behind a Favre or a Young behind a Montana. Otherwise we’re doomed to continued mediocrity.

  9. By Brian R. on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    why do we need alex smith when weve got a better quarterback in kevin kolb?

  10. By D on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    So BA is not buying into these mobile QB’s…sounds like an opening for Landry Jones in round 3 to me.

  11. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    We need to keep all our draft picks. Not having a 2nd round pick last year (because we traded it to Philly with DRC) killed us. We could have used that pick on Russell Wilson or a quality lineman. Not sure it would have made a difference though with Graves and Whiz pulling the strings.

  12. By Knowledgeable cardinals fan on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    None of these previous commenters really know much Alex smith was a winning qb he brought them within seconds from going to the Super Bowl and never lost his job he’s a solid qb who is a huge upgrade from kolb and kolb is a solid back up but not a starter he’s showed everyone that he is not able to stick it out for a full season he is undersized qb put smith with Larry And give them two great offensive minds who been working with qbs for years there is no stopping them

  13. By AndyStandsUp on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Kelly Stouffer was a first round selection of the Cardinals in 1987 when they were still located in St; Louis.
    Timm Rosenbaugh was picked in the 1989(?) supplemental draft.
    Jake Plummer was a second rounder in 1997.

    One was a headache, one had too many headaches and the other was a headcase.

  14. By silverbackdk on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hi Darren. Do you know if Alex Smith has a contract that requires 49’ers to make a decission to cut him before the regular season? With just a 8 m$ they could keep him that long, which basically makes free agency a non-option and gives the 49’ers some leverage in terms of a trade.

    I think he could be an option if the cards get him in free agency and early….

  15. By Darren Urban on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Silver —

    RE: Contract

    He has a roster bonus, I believe, but if they wanted to carry him so he could be trade bait, I think they could do that.

  16. By Steve on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    BA wants a downfield passing attack so that would seem to not play into Alex Smiths strengths as he is more of a west coast system type of QB. Geno Smith of WVU posseses the arm talent and accuracy to be a down the field thrower and is the only college QB given a first round grade so far. The Cards will have to decide where to slot him on their own draft board to determine if he makes sense at pick number 7 (assuming he is still there). The other free agent QBs out there do not give much hope for anything substantial so all the talk about Matt Moore, Drew Stanton and others hopefully dies down. This draft is strong in the trenches and there should be good quality O-line and D-lineman through the 2nd,3rd and 4rth rounds to help the Cards improve in those areas. The smart money probably says that the Cards should select either Joeckle, Fisher or Warmack to help both Kolb and the run game and I wouldnt have a problem with that at all as perhaps better protection will finally give Kolb a chance to flourish. My first 4 picks would be as follows: 1) Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan 2) Larry Warford OG Kentucky 3) Montee Ball RB Wisconsin 4) Vance McDonald TE Rice. I would select QB Matt Scott of Arizona in the middle rounds as a developmental prospect who shows good mobility and arm strength. Darren, when will the Cards begin the interview process with players at the Combine?

  17. By Darren Urban on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Player interviews

    They start on Thursday night.

  18. By AndyStandsUp on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Speaking of interviews, and you have to think he’s on the schedule – will one of the ‘asterisk questions in prepared folder” be:
    “So, how do you feel about fake dead girlfriends?”
    Twice Keim said during the interview about being prepared to ask questions about suspensions and arrests…do you take that Darren to possibly mean Alec Ogletree or Tyrann Mathias as possible prospects?

  19. By Darren Urban on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    AndyStands —

    RE: Prospects

    Keim said today he planned on talking to Honey badger.

  20. By joe67 on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    I still say, Alex Smith to the Chargers and Rivers to the cards. Both need a change both like the west coast or close and BA could ressurect Rivers career. Trade Dan Carter and 4th round pik.

  21. By Criminal Attorney Phoenix on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    I think.Smith is seasoned. He might be worth a shot

  22. By ored on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    misdirection or cool move for honey b.

    imo the only way we get the qb we need and that can hit the ground running is get flacco,so not gonna happen but two 1st rounds sound reasonable,so whoever we get will be a project or a stop gap til the project is ready,whether jones,glennon,bray,or whichever flavor the coaching staff likes,this year should be an improvement,but the following will be the deal.good that they think the o-line can work with some help.looking forward to our guys getting some real coaching now the staff is enlarged(improved).always have high expectations,that’s the fun of the draft and preseason.just hope the offense improves and the defense does’nt want to see somebody able to put our recievers to good use,just been a waste of enormous talent last few years,how frustrating when the qb can’t even get the ball close,and by the same token always trying to run into stacked liines.oh,the wasted years,someone with a vision please step up.
    we need that 1 big pass rusher to really make things click,someone that gets dbl.digit sacks year after year,then with washington,our frt.3 or 4 whichever at the time,a thumper in the middle,solid depth-stop me,i’m getting giddy.just seems we’re sooo close,a few solid parts and nirvanna here we bold this time,go for the cheap seats,if it is’nt to be,then we’ll regroup and try again.

  23. By clssylssy on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    I hope that aside from the Alex Smith hype, other considerations will be given to possibly trading picks for Drew Stanton or Nick Foles. These are both promising young men who have had some experience with members of our coaching staff and are young enough to be possibly groomed to be the franchise QB the Cards are looking to build around. Alex Smith has indicated he no longer wishes to stay with the 9ers but other QBs like Tony Romo or Matt Flynn might also welcome a change to get their careers back on track. I think our new coaching staff has enough experience in spotting talent around the league that might not be apparent to fans because they are not “on the market”and possess the connections to do some savy horse trading. I look forward to seeing the action that is about to unfold.

  24. By Redbird96 on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    I personally believe that with time in the pocket kevin can get the job done. he led our team to 4-1 and the one loss was in a hard place to play with LITERALLY no time to throw the football. Now i would completley go against the smith pickup first and formost cause hes a niner, and i havent had the nicest choice words for himthe last couple years. My hate for that team aside i think he could also get thejob done here, but i think hes either just as good as kolb or a tad worse. The years that smith was killin it in sanfran and the years we’re strugglingwith kolb,compare the Olines. I would keep kolb and start him, but draft a highly talked about qb, one that canbe a perminant guy for years to come. let himtrain up under kolb and take thehelmwhen hes ready. Coach said theres no worries with the line……DRAFT A QB

  25. By Scott H on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Yet again, we find the Cardinals in desperate need of a QB and another team sitting pretty in the driver’s seat with a QB to spare. As much as i would like to have Smith here, I am in NO MOOD to see the Cardinals get fleeced again in a trade – especially by a division rival that is already the class of the NFC. We can’t afford to gamble big AGAIN on a QB trade and lose. Not 2 times in 3 years. That just keeps you on a treadmill to nowhere.

    Sure is great to be a Cardinals fan these days, ain’t it? You’re damned if ya do and you’re damned if ya don’t. Ah, it’s good to have choices…

    My general thoughts about QB are these – IF by some miracle Alex Smith becomes available via release from the 49ers, then go get him. But if the Niners are going to hold him hostage for a king’s ransom in a trade, then pass ( no pun intended ). Hate to say it, but limp through this season ( which is what Kolb will be doing at some point ) and get your QB in NEXT YEAR’s draft. And when that time comes, do whatever you damn well need to do to get the best QB available.

    But I repeat, if Smith can be had WITHOUT giving up a king’s ransom to the 49ers, then go get him. Because he might just be the best QB we could possibly have this season.

  26. By dan on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Alex Smith sucks. I swear if we get this loser then I’m gonna puke Cardinal red.

  27. By BIG RED on Feb 21, 2013 | Reply

    Brian R. that is joke, I hope. Still wishing for a miracle with kolb, the guy is a toy soldier, always broken.

  28. By Jerrt on Feb 22, 2013 | Reply

    Just curious, is there anyone out there interested in Kolb? Can we release him if he isn’t willing to renegotiate his contract.

  29. By Michael on Feb 22, 2013 | Reply

    Sometimes if you treat something a certain way, it becomes what you thought it was. I feel that Smith is better fit in KC or Cleveland, but if the Cards do get Smith, they shouldn’t go with him thinking that he’s a short term solution or the franchise. They must take him as he is, work him in, develop him more to your system (not drastic changes over 8 years, but emphasis can help). They should develop him and work with him as they would if he were the long-term answer and see how he does. If you don’t think that’s possible, don’t get him. Develop someone else you believe in, don’t waste a pick just for bought time.

    Evaluate every year and every draft whether you can get someone with fewer weaknesses and more strengths. This would be true with Manning, too. His age will be a limitation and his strengths will decrease with age, the trick is finding someone before that time to develop to have fewer limitations and more strengths.

  30. By eric on Feb 22, 2013 | Reply

    I like Alex Smith but I don’t think he is the down the field threat Coach wants from his QBs.

    Not sure if any of the guys on this roster are in fairness…..Coach wants to air it out,down the field….not sure if Kolb is the guy or not……sure wish we could land Big Ben but that ain’t gonna happen.Unless the niners cut smith,I say let Kolb,Lindley and Skelton duke it out.

  31. By Marcelof on Feb 22, 2013 | Reply

    After watching the first 6 Arizona Games last season a simple conclusion came out in my head… Kolb did what he did behind a plastic wall, what can he do behind a brick – maybe stronger – one?

    My move: I’d trade the 7th pick and draft an OL in the first round, a QB ( there will be some available ) at second.

  32. By Michael on Feb 22, 2013 | Reply

    I originally thought that maybe Arians could do what Harbaugh did with Smith. Everybody thought Smith was gone after 2010, Harbaugh chose to stay with him, partly because of the lockout and partly because Alex wasn’t as bad as it seemed, Harbaugh does have an ego. Now, a lot of people think Kolb is out as starter, the new coach comes in, and may see that he can work with him. But the issues of injury history is even worse than Alex’s, who has had a torn throwing shoulder in 2007 (hence the awful 2007 being made to play with it, the coach told the locker-room and media that Alex was fine. Alex had to have surgery but played anyway as a good soldier. Took the fall.) So even if Arians thinks he can work with Kolb, the injury issue may prevent a Smith-like story, where they could use him while someone develops. Not sure if they can find the QB this year.

  33. By Michael on Feb 22, 2013 | Reply

    ^^^ If Arians is looking to draft someone and have someone hold the reigns here, if Smith is released, that could be an option rather than Kolb. Smith has proven that he can and is more durable than Kolb so far (he’s played full seasons before). Again, I still think you need to use him as you would if you thought he was a long-term solution. If Arians doesn’t think that’s possible, I think they should go elsewhere. Get the new guy drafted some experience. The Niners will get older but either way this division looks like it’s getting tougher.

  34. By clssylssy on Feb 23, 2013 | Reply

    Looks like KC is the leading contender for Alex Smith. Whether you are a fan of Andy Reid or not, I give Clark Hunt credit for letting Reid run his own show. I have a feeling that he will do a pretty good job as they have the draft position and money to spend on talent and Reid has the knowledge and experience to at least get the franchise back on track. The TEs are looking pretty good this year and I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cards use a pick there. If we keep Kolb, it will be important to have good TEs since he does better using his TEs rather than receivers.

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