Drafting a quarterback — and No. 7

Posted by Darren Urban on March 26, 2013 – 10:06 am

A) Your team needs a quarterback;

B) Your team has a top 10 pick;

So C) there is endless speculation about that team drafting a quarterback with their first-round selection.

The Cardinals are in that loop right now. Most of the early mock drafts (mockable totally in the sense that they are based on little but surface connect-the-dots) had the Cards taking quarterback with their first round pick, seventh overall. That seems to have slowed down of late, in large part because of coach Bruce Arians’ own words.

“I think all speculators look at need and not the draft board,” Arians said. “If you draft for need, you’re in trouble. Just because you need one you don’t take one, if there is a better player there who is going to help your football team.”

That doesn’t mean the Cardinals won’t take a QB first. I think that’s being sorted out right now in a draft that many believe isn’t top-heavy in talent and is deep in offensive linemen. But it’s easy to see a scenario where the Cards go elsewhere than quarterback in the first round and save a QB pick for round two or three.

“If there is a quarterback who fits the spot in the draft that you put him in at, that fits the value, then you take one,” Arians said. “That’s why I feel very comfortable with our situation with Drew Stanton in our mix. The need value is not there.”

It is clear that Arians likes Stanton. But it also behooves him to talk him up because there is a chance, in this totally fluid time when no one knows how the draft will go or if another interesting veteran could come available, that Stanton will be the starter and then Arians will have expressed confidence in Stanton from the jump. That makes sense. But I still think that no matter how the rest of the QB roster shakes out the team will draft a QB.

It was suddenly big news that the Cardinals are working out N.C. State QB Mike Glennon but that shouldn’t shock anyone either. The Cards are going to do due diligence on every one of the top QBs and just because there will be a workout doesn’t mean a) they will draft him or b) they will even decide they like him enough. Is he in the mix? I think he could be, but that’s what this time of analysis is for. GM Steve Keim went to N.C. State and has his ties there, and the former coaches at the school did pick Glennon as their “guy” over Russell Wilson (which is why Wilson transferred to Wisconsin), so Glennon must be decent. But I don’t see he or any other QB going in the second round stepping in to be a rookie starter even if Keim and Arians like to get QBs work early.

The speculation is going to play out over and over until the draft actually starts (IMO, by the way, Geno Smith is gone by the seventh pick, so what will really be available early anyway?) But in a world right now where the Cardinals haven’t even started their draft meetings nor come close to setting there Top 120 board (I know I’ve said that before), this is all fluid.


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48 Responses to “Drafting a quarterback — and No. 7”

  1. By Josh on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Before everyone wants to go and connect the dots and say that Tom O’Brien preferred Glennon over Russell Wilson let’s try to understand the situation. Wilson decided he was going to play baseball and when he made that decision, just like in any sport, it’s next man up. So naturally O’Brien hands the reins over to Glennon and it’s now his team. Then Wilson changes his mind and decides that he does want to play football. So Wilson comes back to NC State where the coach has already told the other guy its his job. O’Brien was in a tough spot and probably wanted to bring back Wilson, but the changing of the guards had already occurred. O’Brien stuck to the promise he had made to Glennon and his word to the team. It’s not so much that O’Brien preferred Glennon over Wilson

  2. By Darren Urban on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Josh/WVCard —

    RE: Glennon/Wilson

    That detail is appreciated and good context to have.

  3. By shannon robinson on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks to Darren’s virtual tour of BA’s office, it’s front and center that his mentor was Bear Bryant. So if you’re an Alabama fan then you draft BAMA’s best player, Mr Warmack. A lot of us believe the challenge is the interior line. Our second choice should be a franchise safety which the Cards have historically always had.

  4. By Josh on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Forgot to mention, I live in Raleigh and remember O’Brien speaking of this situation on 99.9 The Fan. I’m not speculating.

  5. By martin on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Matt Scott QB Arizona Round-3 please! he will have a better season then Rookie Nick Foles had with Philly last year!! both came out of arizona. Be a good bkup.

  6. By Jonathan on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    How do you manage to find such hilarious pictures? Hahah

  7. By WVcardFan on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Darren- Just an FYI, NC State didn’t “pick” Glennon over Wilson. Wilson left because the football staff at NC State didn’t want him playing baseball and taking time away from off-season football workouts.

  8. By D on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Well done Darren.

    If Cards take a QB in rounds 1 or 2 in the draft or if a certain QB who went to USC becomes available, do you see Darren any team giving up a second round draft pick if AZ wants to try to move Hoyer??? I wouldn’t think so, but there was some interest in him before the tender…

  9. By Darren Urban on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Hoyer

    Any team could have given up a pick to sign him already. Don’t see why they’d change their mind now. Now, could the Cards deal him for, say, a lower-round pick to Pittsburgh? Maybe.

  10. By hummer53 on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    People say that G. Smith isn’t a top 10 pick. But if A team picks him in the top ten, then he IS a top 10 pick. Does that make sense? #Reality

  11. By Dynosoar on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply


    makes sense to me.

  12. By CDJ on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply


    As it stands right now, how much cap space would the cards have after this upcoming season if they were to not extend or sign any players once that season is up?

  13. By Darren Urban on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    CDJ —

    RE: Cap space after the season

    I have no idea.

  14. By philly cards? on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    They don’t have the best of option so use the old school tactic of confusion. And its futile effort trying to articulate a smoke screen.

  15. By djjackson81 on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply,d.cGE. This is all AZ should be contemplating. AZ first three round picks should be spent on OL S and OLB period worry about a QB next draft. When the draft class has the QB lottery like Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy is worth AZ trading three or even four of there picks to move up to get.

  16. By Phil Mcracken on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Drew Stanton will lead the Cardinals to the playoffs this year.The only reason he wont is if Drew gets hurt. The Lions should have kept Drew because he is better than Matt Stafford or any QB the Lions have on there team. I see the Cardinal winning 11 games this year with Drew.

  17. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    As the draft gets closer, I totally agree that Geno wont be there at 7. I really would not be surprised to see him go #1 overall. With the raiders, Jets, Bills and maybe Jaguars all looking for an answer at QB, someone is jumping up and the chiefs will get back their two they gave away for Smith.

    But help me out with two questions;

    A question that was triggered by an answer you gave to “D”. If we traded Hoyer for a 5th rounder to Pitt, would the steelers have to pay him the 2 million tender? Just curious.

    Also Darren, I wanted to hear your perspective on this; Abraham, Freeney, Harrison and a couple others all have a track records for sacking QBs. In a pass happy league, you would think that would be in demand. Although, all these guys are past their prime, guys like Abraham still can put up double digit sacks.

    So, are they just pricing themselves out of the market, teams want to see what happens in the draft then come back to them, or are teams just not interested in these older guys?

  18. By Darren Urban on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Questions

    In terms of Hoyer, yes, they would have to pay him $2M. He has signed that contract. Unless he would be willing to rip it up and sign a different one.

    As for the older pass rushers, I think it’s a case of money and being one-dimensional. Those guys will get signed somewhere I’d think, but how much to they want? The other question is, where are they willing to play? Will they go anywhere just to have a job? I wonder sometimes. But across the league, there are a ton of players still unsigned that I assumed would have been signed by now. It’s a new NFL world.

  19. By card62 on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Phil Mcracken I hope you are right about Drew Stanton, but from what I have seen of him in college and the pros you are wrong. First no one would take him over Matt Stafford and he is not leading us to 11 victories next year. I am not crazy about Carson Palmer but based upon all of our options today he is the guy I hope we sign to QB our team next year,

    Guys have we signed any OL this off season? I can not believe we have not signed a stud tackle in free agency.

    Our QBs were killed last year by our OL and I do not think all draft choices will work for our OL for 2013. John the Draft Guy and others what are your ideas for our OL for 2013?

    Go Cards

  20. By Chuck 1 on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Phil, please stay off of the sauce.

  21. By Azcardsguy123 on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply


    lets say Arizona takes Fisher or Joeckel with pick 7 not that its likely what if they traded back in to the late first round with hoyer or somethin like that. Do you see them maybe going with SS Matt Elam or a QB like Glennon or Nassib? and if not who and what round do you see them taking a QB? I know they like Barkley but he could e picked up by the cowboys texans or even the browns by then since all of those teams will need a quarterback soon.

  22. By Darren Urban on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    azcardsguy —

    RE: Trading up

    Don’t forget to get back into the first round you have to surrender picks. How much are you willing to give up? As for who, I have no idea. Neither do they right now.

  23. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply


    Follow up to Hoyer; (or anyone in that situation)

    What if Hoyer hadnt signed his tender? Can the cards trade his rights away and then the steelers would have to tender him or would you have to sign the player before trading?

    I know it doesn’t apply, I’m just curious.

  24. By Darren Urban on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: RFA rights

    Until he signed a contract, he couldn’t have been traded. Can’t trade a free agent, even a restricted one.

  25. By Scott H on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    I must say, I do like Arians. I feel like he actually tells you something about his thought process when he speaks. Seems confident, sure of himself. In pro sports these days, it’s nice to hear ANYONE say SOMETHING with a few words as opposed saying NOTHING with a whole lot of them. Putting a bunch of words together and saying nothing has become an art form in pro sports, especially with the coaches.

  26. By frustrated on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Any chance Feeny is still chance for the Cards?

  27. By Darren Urban on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Frustrated —

    RE: Freeney

    Not if he really wants $6M a year as has been reported.

  28. By Rich on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Trade down in Rd 1 if we can find a partner. Womack will be available between pick # 12 and #16.

  29. By jmh1982 on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    O’Brien may not have actually wanted Glennon over Wilson, but one could make the argument that Glennon was just as good if not better than Wilson at NC State. That team obviously had issued when you consider how much Wilson’s numbers jumped when he went to Wisconsin.

  30. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Jesus who cares this year QB class is garbage a big dump pile stock up lineman in this draft cut the garbage in snyder/colledge and draft either Warmack or fisher

  31. By Luke on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    We need O line men,safties,olbs,tes,rbs,and QB,the list is pretty big. I hope the Cardz get this draft right.

  32. By cobra on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Re: Glennon and Wilson,
    It doesn’t matter, the coach will start the best player.

  33. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Mike Hadzinski,

    Johnny Manziel , better known as Johnny Football or Johnny Heisman now, will be a soph this coming year.

    As Those who love Clowney, (who might have been the top player in this years draft,) found out, you need to be out of HS for 3 years to declare.

    So , no Johnny Football next year except at Texas A&M. I think you might see Coach Sumlin and Johnny enter the NFL together in 2016.

  34. By Darren Urban on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Manziel

    Manziel redshirted. So while he will be a sophomore this season, he will be three years removed from his HS graduating class after the 2013 season and thus eligible for the 2014 draft if he so chose to come out.

  35. By ored on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    free agency is’nt over yet,we don’t even have our draft board up yet,and even then,that will probably change some before the more evaluating and group think sessions,but if all goes as smoothly as it has,then i’m encouraged,stick with your board,no panic moves,and take advantage of opportunities.

  36. By Coach Kevin on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply


    1. Ezekiel Ansah, OLB
    2. Larry Warford, G
    3. Tyler Bray, QB
    4. J.J. Wilcox, FS
    5. Reid Fragel, OT
    6. Zac Stacy, RB
    6b. Bruce Taylor, ILB

    This group addresses the most pressing needs for the Cardinals and all of them should be on the board when the Cards are on the clock. This draft puts Arizona on track to compete in the division. Research each player and you will see the value. Ansah is a freak of nature. When I watched his BYU highlight film, my jaw was on the floor. Zac Stacy is a clone of Ray Rice. Bray has the best arm in this QB class and the biggest upside with good coaching under Arians and Moore. Warford is a pancake machine.

  37. By red bird of death! on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Ok I’m on board with Phil Mc Crevise , we go to playoffs this year led by Stanton.

  38. By red bird of death! on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    If only Whiz stepped up and grabbed Palmer when we should have we could have been regulars in the playoffs the past couple years .
    I can’t back that up I’m just talkin mad;t I’m so bored this offseason please god help us.

  39. By Eazy E on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    Russell had already graduated too. He graduated in 3 years. Glennon ain’t close to Russell. I thought Russell was a good prospect coming out and we have to see him for the next 10-15 years because of incompetence in the front office. Glennon show ain’t the reason Russell didn’t go back to NC State.

  40. By clssylssy on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    With Matt Flynn and now Matt Hasselback joining the FAs now, and a less than WOW class of QBs this year, it would seem more likely than other teams will go with one of these Vets on a one or two year contract until there is a QB with Wow. As time goes on this QB class seems to be dropping. Meantime, teams will be concentrating on building a tougher 0-line and defense while adding depth in the running game and good special teams. Fans forget that FA doesn’t really stop and teams will continue to fill out their needs with BPA on the cheap. Since the Cards haven’t really gone after established big name players so far, I am expecting some Wow in the draft. …anyway, if you have a “quarterback guru” why couldn’t he produce a “silk purse” qb by tweeking and making a few adjustments to an already serviceable player that will provide a bandaide for a few years? After all, that’s what Warner was and look at how that worked out for Whiz!

  41. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    This is the perfect year to do what we have to do for the future sorry to the fans who think differently.Coach Airens is like 60+ he is gonna pull a Denny green. Hopefully WE cut the bums now take the hit this year build o-line in DRAFT and get ready for a run @ Johnny Manziel i remember talking to you Darren

    We need Johnny Manziel and the way it’s looking with drew stanton and team we are on our road to victory just relax and let father time will take it’s course

  42. By sarah on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    I think this is a good analysis re. Palmer, respect Kent Somers opinions as they are well thought out and balanced.

  43. By Scott H on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    Mike Hadzinski –

    Who is coach Airens? C’mon, man, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to know what the head coach’s name is – Bruce ARIANS.

  44. By Laird on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    Picking Warmack @#7 looks good to me! Potter looked pretty good at end of last season. Some say Warmack is best athlete on ” O- Line. Pick up a rookie Q.B. like Barkley in a later round plus 2 more O linemen plus a and a D.B. later also! Let’s go Cards in 2013!

  45. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    sorry it’s hard on a ps3 sometimes because of keypad on screen of internet browser you mad ?

  46. By DS9 on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    Would be interesting to see us trade #7 and maybe 4th-5th to the vikings who are reportedly interested in Geno Smith for their 2 round 1 picks. Plenty of depth at OL this draft we could pick up OL and possibly EJ Manuel who I believe has the biggest upside in this draft as a QB… He’s raw and needs work but Arians is supposedly confident in Stanton so he could spend a year on the bench learning. More round 1 picks is better in a draft this deep but very few “wow” prospects.

  47. By ored on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    i think we still get an o lineman before the draft,then another in the draft,then some more youth on defense,a qb and te or that lft.tackle from the small and maybe try him some at te and if that fails keep him on the o line.the qb is gonna be what it is,can’t make em do what they are’nt capable of,but just being average this year with improved protection,blocking,and run game at least keeps us in games with our defense,if that does’nt regress.remember we started 4 and 0 last year and beat a couple of pretty good teams,a game manager for a year does’nt sound so bad.and you never know,maybe some of stafford and luck rubbed off onto stanton,lol.i’m just really curious as to our qb choice in the draft ,no way are they tipping their hand yet,but whoever it is,that should tell us how ba and keim view the position,gunslinger type or big arm and conservative?

  48. By Dre on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    The fo shoud be all over the big board ASAP. We keep signing players that are back ups we need to get the ball rolling cause the NFC west is get better buy the day and I can’t really look at our roster and say we have great players 6 tops. Our o line is a mess idk how ba is so high on Levi if dude didn’t play in a year he hasn’t live to his pick at all. Just wondering why no o line help has been sign the rookies came on strong last year but Levi should battle for any job on the line and I bet he would lose to potter on the left side. May be guard to replace Adam or maybe wolmack.

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