Financial kicker in position battle UPDATE

Posted by Darren Urban on August 23, 2013 – 10:27 am

UPDATE: Carpenter’s 2013 salary is indeed lower($715,000 according to the NFLPA website), but an NFL source said he has bonuses significantly raise his price, essentially doubling his salary. Carpenter would make $75,000 for making the team, and another $40,000 every game he was active kicking — which translates into more than $1.4 million for the season if he were to kick all 16 games without adding in other potential incentives. That would make the financial comparison to Feely a wash, and clearly take that part out of the equation.

Bruce Arians said he wanted to have Dan Carpenter kick the first half on Saturday and Jay Feely the second half, assuming the opportunities pan out. This is a kicker battle that will go through the preseason finale in Denver, he added. That isn’t a surprise.

But as everyone knows, there are sometimes other factors besides performance that play into position battles. We already know the age difference (Feely is 37, Carpenter is 27). There is a chance money could play into this one. Considering Carpenter apparently had some options with where to sign, GM Steve Keim again seemed to come out ahead in Carpenter’s one-year deal. According to, Carpenter is set to make a salary of $725,000 and got a roster bonus of $110,000. Meanwhile, Feely is scheduled to make $1.5 million. If released, Feely would cost $250,000 of dead space, so the Cards come out ahead and certainly, it would save in some actual dollars spent.

And if Feely stays, it only costs the Cards $110,000 of dead money for Carpenter, which is easily digestible. That too is a scenario that could happen

The Cards have about $6.1 million in salary cap space, according to the most recent update by the NFLPA. That will morph after the cut to 53, since right now the only cap numbers counted are the top 51 and dead money. After final cuts, teams have to account for all 53 plus practice squad, injured list and dead money.

— Apropos of nothing, check out this insightful peek inside Bruce Arians’ offensive meeting from an OTA this summer, courtesy of Peter King. A great read.

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21 Responses to “Financial kicker in position battle UPDATE”

  1. By J on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    Wow…. Business first I guess….

    J. Feely #4 & at times #3 has been a clutch kicker for us and I can remember several games that he stepped up and won for us. – how about the game where he scored 19 points with a kicker sneak for a touchdown ?

    Loyalty is becoming a lost vurtue – I guess….
    I hope J. Feely pulls out the victory over Carpenter !!!

  2. By SteveG on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    Life in the NFL, ain’t for sissies, is it?

    As an aside, once again BIG thanks to all on the front lines and behind the scenes to produce this web site for fans.

    Bigger, badder (The good bad) and better every year and makes for multiple daily views to see “what’s up” like no other.

    Thank you to the Cards et al for this venue for making access to the behind the scenes fun.

  3. By LadyBird04 on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    We have lost several good (key) players because of money…it’s really too bad. If we replace a player with a like caliber for less money, I will reluctantly agree but not if we replace with inferior (read Bell over Rhodes as an example) just to save some money and be damned about the consequences.

    I know Feeley isn’t Arians’ guy but neither is Fitzgerald and he makes oodles of money. Are we going to dump Fitz to save money next? Maybe instead of negotiating to extend Peterson this season we just drop him because he will cost more than other re-tread cb’s that are available….PP isn’t an Arians guy either.

    Feeley has a better percentage of kicks made last year.

    PS – Is the Big Red Rage from lat night going to be put on the site?

  4. By Darren Urban on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    LadyBird —

    RE: BRR

    Already there.

  5. By Dave P on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    Why does this happen every year? Feely gets complacent, missing practices, missing 30 yard easy field goals during games, more worried about golf outtings, etc. then they have to bring in some competition to light a fire under his butt and he wakes up.

  6. By Darren Urban on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    Dave P —

    RE: Feely

    Let’s get a couple of facts straight: One, Feely missed one practice, and it was because his daughter was in the hospital. Two, his golf outings are done on his time. Whether he plays golf or not has nothing to do with how he kicks. Peterson plays a ton of golf too — so you are saying he should stop?

  7. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    That’s a crappy move if you ask me. New GM trying to create a name for himself by saving 15 cents. Its a rookie move. This is a multi million dollar industry. The GM should look somewhere else to cut cost. Maybe cut his salary rather than cut Feely. I know he’s only a kicker, but he’s been clutch most of the time and he is a big part of the team and everyone likes him. As long as he is productive he deserves the money. Next year is a different story. But If this guy out kicks him then that’s another story. I hope its not about the money. If so, it sends a message to the rest of the team.

  8. By hummer53 on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    Will be interesting to see the play call when Cards are in FG range on 3rd down. BA just may want to put pressure on both guys to see how they handle it. I like Jay but he isn’t a spring chicken as they say.

  9. By jasonc on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    It cracks me up when people get emotional about the kickers. Fans lost their minds when Zastudil was brought in to compete with Graham and I thought there was going to be a riot when he actually won the job. I like Jay, don’t get me wrong…but are you guys really upset if we get a new kicker?

  10. By Chuck 1 on Aug 23, 2013 | Reply

    To J,
    Loyalty is a two way street.
    Can you say Dansby?

    To Ladybird04,
    As I recall, Darren said that the issue with Rhodes wasn’t ALL about $$$$$.
    (Darren, did a team sign him? If so, how did that contract compare with what the Cards offered?)
    It remains to be seen if the replacements that Keim and BA have signed are “inferior”.
    Dump Fitz and/or Peterson??? Get real. (I do believe, as I think JTDG has written, that Fitz’s cap hit will probably be re-negotiated)

    To Bay Area Bad Boy,
    Keim “trying to make a name for himself”?
    No. He’s trying to build a roster that will make the playoffs and eventually win the SB.

    To all,
    I hope that the better kicker wins the job.

  11. By Darren Urban on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply

    Chuck —

    RE: Rhodes

    He is unsigned.

  12. By Eazy E on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply

    This is ridiculous that Feely has to have real ”competition” for a job that he owns. #Rooting for Feely

  13. By Corgon on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply

    Really? several years can go to the trash (after all the talks about films), but this next two games will decide who is the better? C’mon man. Cut Jay right now if you don’t like him, but this is BS. I think the GB front office sitting on needles when we’ll cut him. He’s a good kicker and a good veteran. Period.

  14. By Roger on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply

    How short your memories are! How little most people know! If Jay Feely is cut , it is not because of his ability as a kicker!
    Let’s not forget that last season ( I said “season” consisting of 16 games) Feely went 89.3 % , including a 61 yard field goal to tie the game! Let’s not forget that while playing for the Cards he has been 86 % on his field goals, while Dan Carpenter has been only 82% for Miami. Let’s not forget that Feely is 27th on the NFL all time career scoring list, which is more points than any QB, RB, Reciever, or any other position other than the 26 kickers ahead of him! Let’s not forget that he holds the NFL record for most solo tackles by a kicker in history! Let’s not forget that he has been nothing short of outstanding for the Cards!
    Has he suddenly gotten weak! The very last game vs. the Cowboys, every kick off was a touchback, he went 4 for 5 on field goals and kicked a 53 yarder. He also scored every point for the Cards! If you think this is about his ability, you are wrong. This is about nothing more than Bruce Ariens still resents the fact that Jay Feely beat out Arien’s son, Jake, for the Atlanta Falcons job in 2001.
    Payback is a “¥£€*#”

  15. By Chuck 1 on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply

    Re: Rhodes

    He is probably waiting for a safety to be injured on a team and hopes that he will be signed.

  16. By Patrick Hoog aka Don't Take Losses on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply

    “Arians explains that he wants the Cardinals to be the smartest situational team in football. In his office, the man who looks like the jovial uncle you had your first beer with gets passionate about the minutiae.

    “These little game-winning situations don’t get practiced a lot,” he says. “You have to be a student to be a great football player. These things, they have to be part of your fiber.” from the aeticle

    It was a good read. King is a bit likely Bickley though, always has to be the star… 3 times in first couple paragraphs he noted Arians penchant for cursing. Noting it once is enough. I don’t curse around the house ( have toddlers who repeat everything;), but could care less if BA does. Its political correctness crap. But my take from the article is BA is a teacher.. of critical thinking.. teaching them how to think through scenario after scenario.. so we win though games when mental errors may have cost us in the past. Bravo BA.

    PS: Believe Feely wins his job, he has been outstanding.. but if he does not, it ain’t the $$, its BA looking into a guys eyes and heart and seeing what he wants to see…at the same time, excellent bring down on cap by Darren Urban, always bringing it … big time.

    PSS: heard interview with Whiz this week, he mentioned his emotional attachment to UoP stadium and Cardinals fans… me too… Go Cards, kick some ass this year.

  17. By Chuck 1 on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply

    “…This is about nothing more than Bruce Ariens still resents the fact that Jay Feely beat out Arien’s son, Jake, for the Atlanta Falcons job in 2001.
    Payback is a “¥£€*#”…”

    Roger, you apparently have a God given talent for mind reading.

  18. By ored on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply

    looks more like lame thinking,honestly think he’s grudging from 12 years ago,you need a reality slap.that statement hurts the senses to even contemplate.
    meanwhile,shows when you miss a chip shot that kickers are also part of the “what have you done lately”thinking…it’s part of the nfl,competition,be the best,etc.,that’s why they get the big bucks,a kicker sometimes only plays a few minutes a game for under 2 dozen games at most gets over a million dollars a year,not much wear and tear on the body if you don’t ruin a knee jumping up and down,lol.everybody has their part and needs to be accountable.

  19. By rio on Aug 24, 2013 | Reply


  20. By Dennis on Aug 27, 2013 | Reply

    Detroit released Rugland today and he make all three of his field goals in preseason. Could Kickalicious be better than Feely?
    Why not try him out?

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