Arians talks the day after

Posted by Darren Urban on October 18, 2013 – 1:09 pm

Bruce Arians met with the media to talk, post-video-watching, about the Seahawks game. The players are in meetings now but will have the weekend off before going through a full padded practice Monday. Some of the Arians highlights:

— The pressure was too much for QB Carson Palmer and the pass protection must improve, Arians said. “Looking back, neither interception was (Palmer’s) fault whatsoever,” Arians said. “He protected the football like he needed to.”

Someone said to Arians if he felt that even Peyton Manning would have the same problems behind the protection right now.

“Tom Brady or Peyton Manning,” Arians said.

— Arians said he’d like to get Bobby Massie — who was active for the game Thursday — some game action soon. That will be interesting to see. Guard Earl Watford is a little further off at this point.

— The coach remained disappointed with his offensive production. He said it was the first time in 20 years he didn’t have a team get an explosive play.

— Arians said he had no plans to change the running back personnel.

— The only injury of note was G Daryn Colledge, who hurt his back. Arians said he was hopeful Colledge would return for practice Wednesday. Arians said Patrick Peterson had some issues with jammed fingers, but was fine. Wide receiver Brittan Golden (hamstring) also could return next week.

— Arians did say safety Yeremiah Bell made a bad play on the long touchdown pass, but generally he was happy with Bell’s play this season.

— Leftover from the San Francisco game: Defensive tackle Darnell Dockett was fined $7,875 for his late hit on running back Frank Gore. Safety Tyrann Mathieu was fined $7,875 for for grabbing running back Kendall Hunter after Hunter scored a touchdown and unnecessarily throwing him to the ground. Defensive tackle Alameda Ta’amu was fined $10,000 for kicking Niners offensive lineman Alex Boone, although Boone was fined $7,875 for unnecessarily striking Ta’amu.

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  1. By QuayAZ on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    “Arians did say safety Yeremiah Bell made a bad play on the long touchdown pass, but generally he was happy with Bell’s play this season.”

    We must be watching different film cause Yeremiah Bell is aweful and has been awefull all season. The guy has made like 3 or 4 good plays, but those are quickly forgotten when he keeps giving up these big TD’s.

    Plus Carson Palmer seems to be the 12th man for every team we play.

  2. By John The Draft Guy on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    I just posted this on the last post but it seems appropriate to highlight this part;

    Palmer is a scapegoat by fans who dont have any idea what they are watching. I would argue both ints were WRs faults. With no running game, wrs dropping balls, no protection, sure Palmer isnt real sharp. But look at his INTs.

    1st one- When did Fitz stop elevating and catching the ball at its highest point? Instead he let it come down and Seattle made a play.
    2nd one – watch this on tape, outside wr runs an out and Floyd looks like that is what he is to do but stops and Browner finishes the route and picks it.

    Glad Arians, after looking at the tape saw what I saw. Palmer is not the issue. Our Wrs need to be reevaluated. Our line is bad. It will be nice to see Cooper and Watford next year with Massie and a real LT.

  3. By D on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    I think it’s time to activate R. Williams, this team needs to get the running game going. OL is key but if Rashard isn’t hitting the hole then might as well try some fresh legs to see if Ryan is healthy.
    Wonder if they should move DWash to cover only the TE and keep Dansby and Brinkley inside for the run. Every decent TE burns our secondary, DWash is about the only player with the speed and size to handle them. The former ASU standout did good for the Seachickens last nigt.

  4. By wayne on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    This is a joke. When does the coaching staff come clean and just admit what we all are seeing? Carson needs to be on a golf course not a football field. He has simply allowed the game to pass him by and it’s not his fault it will happen to all the players who are lucky enough to play for 10 years or more. It’s time to except our fates this year, play the youngsters and try to draft a QB that we can build and develop.

  5. By Scott H on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    All considered, it was a decent effort against a team that is just SOOO clearly superior to the Cardinals. There is good and bad to be taken from this one.

    First, do people REALLY want to continue to defend Carson Palmer after this one??? Well, good luck if ya do but I have no idea exactly WHAT you are defending at this point. More INT’s…and there should have been one more than there was except that we all saw how Floyd turned into a DB and knocked down that horribly thrown pass that Sherman was ready to pounce on. And taking 14-yard losses on sacks? C’mon, folks. Where are we going with this? We’re nowhere with Carson Palmer. If people want to continue to say he’s the best & most experienced QB we have, then…fine. Keep riding on the train that’s taking you nowhere. I’d rather explore other options at this point.

    The defense made some good stops, got to Russel a few times, created some TO’s…they looked great at times. But they allowed too many big plays and, well…looked pretty awful at times. too. The first TD pass to Rice??? What the F was THAT??? How do you just lose a WR like that??? That was embarassing.

    And, of course, we continue to let TE’s – even TE’s that no one has even heard of – walk all over us. If I’m a QB and I have a game coming up against the Cardinals? I’m looking for my TE’s all night. Because, apparently, the cardinals defense is not looking for them at all. I guess we should stop hoping this will be addressed.

    It’s a shame Fitz just can’t seem to shake this hamstring problem. he was in QB hell last year. This year, he can’t get healthy….poor guy.

    And, finally, did anyone else want to hide under the couch when they had Kurt Warner crank uup that red siren thing??? Seriously…once is enough. They can retire that now. That thing sounded awful…at least on TV, anyway. Maybe it was better if you were there.

    But there is NO denying just how SERIOUSLY good the Seahawks are and the gap that lies between these 2 teams. Russel Wilson might be the best QB to come into the leagus in the last several years. He is the real deal. The Seahawks have a QB. The Cardinals do not. Until that changes…we’re not competing in this division because we cannot compete with them.

  6. By job on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Why didn’t we draft a Tackle in the 2nd round, I like minter but had no need for an ILB compared to our tackle problems.

    Also why is Boby Massie finally getting consideration. Dude was a stud at the end of last season. Eric Winston is left over from the chiefs ” last” season.

  7. By Darren Urban on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Job —

    RE: ILB/2nd round

    No need for ILB? At the time of the draft, Daryl Washington was going to be suspended 4 games and Karlos Dansby was not signed. The Cards were definitely short at the positions.

  8. By shane on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    glad we have a kind of mini bye this week the team looked tired last night did not play fast like they have been. No thanks to the scheduled makers putting the 9ers then a short week against the seahawks hope the team comes out strong the season is far from over .. Go cards!

  9. By jakeplummersghost on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    I really like that BA has the guys going through a fully padded practice next Monday (and I believe he also said next Wednesday, too.). That is the best news to come out of this loss. We got out-physicaled, and while there was a good chance we were going to lose this game, there was no reason for them to outmuscle us so much. This is the same team that played with quite a mean streak against the Niners in SF just 4 days earlier and lost only because of dumb turnovers. To lose because you can’t match the other team’s physicality (I’m looking at you, O-Line..), that just hurts.

  10. By George on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Would like to see Nate Potter get a chance as well. This is Bradley Sowell’s audition and he is not looking good so far. When it comes to Potter, I don’t know what the coaches saw or didn’t see in training camp or practices. When it comes to the games, he seems to be able to perform. He was pretty solid last year when he was put in.

    Would also like to see Ryan Williams and Stephon Taylor get some carries. I have seen enough of Mendenhall.

  11. By Example on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Carson needs to be benched Asap!

  12. By cardsalltheway on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    “Arians said he’d like to get Bobby Massie — who was active for the game Thursday — some game action soon.”

    Hey hey hey, do ya think so Arians? I’d change the “soon” to NOW as in the NEXT game. Zero of our 2013 OL draft has helped this year. Why? Because we only drafted 2 OL players. If you want to improve the OL then draft 5 OL players out of 7 picks in 2014. You could possibly get by with 4 out of 7 but anything less than 4 will mean much of the OL same in the future. As bad as we were last year, who ever thought 2 players would improve our OL? Whoever that is, should be fired.

  13. By Cardfan on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Really not Carson’s Fault? Really?! I was hopeful with Carson but so far I see a guy with no urgency, and not makes bad decisions with the ball but does his reaction to situations backwards. Last night he started squeezing the ball into double coverage early and then when scoring was on the line in the fourth quarter he casually throws short inside balls and lazily walks up to line. There was no urgency to try and win. He should have been calmly throwing the inside ball and leisurely walking up the field in the beginning of the game not the end of it! That’s two games in a row where in the fourth quarter when we needed to score he and the rest of the O-line has had no urgency or clock awareness. I don’t get it. I think the D-Line is looking good but secondary needs to step it up they are allowing too many completions. Nobody on offense even tried to get out of bounds on the last drive. I don’t know why when our run game is do so well there is not more effort to keep it going. I think everyone is to blame for last night except for maybe the D-Line. Bowles needs to be more inventive, try to trick the QB’s and secondary needs to stop getting beat. Palmer needs to get some freaking passion and start playing like winning is important. Arians offense has been predictable let’s get some imagination here, short passes work too. And why can’t Palmer put the ball to outside in front of the receiver for the deep ball, he makes it too easy to contest. FRUSTRATED! They are better than how they have played. When is this team going to “click”?

  14. By Cardfan on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    woops that was “and MAKES a lot of bad decisions”

  15. By John S on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Does anyone else sit there baffled listening to Arians? Continues making excuses for Palmer. He is saying how bad they did on 1st downs, yet he INSISTS on keeping Mendenhall as the starter who does nothing most of the time. Am I the only one screaming to get Mendenhall out each of his no gain plays? Then BA says in response to why not put in Ellington more then 3 plays “well the defense they were using didn’t call for that”. what?? WHAT?? I don’t think i’ve seen a play where Eliington hasn’t made something happen. Gee I wonder what would have happened at the 5 yard line if we had ran Ellington for all the downs instead of nothing but pass plays which resulted in no points. Getting stupid.

  16. By dynasty1717 on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    I hate it, but I am really starting to get down on Arians. Keim is going to turn out to be one of the best GMs in the game, I’m convinced of that. But what good does it do to find talent if Arians leaves it on the bench? I cannot believe that Massie and Williams have not been involved to date. That is poor coaching. Our O-line was atrocious last night and Massie, who played outstanding the last half of last year, is on the bench? What are we doing? Any decent O-Line coach could have converted Massie into a solid left tackle, despite what Arians says. Can you imagine how much better the O-line would have been if we could have moved Massie over to the left side and put Levi in at right guard? Levi had slow feet so the idea of using him at tackle was laughable. That being said, I think he could have blown huge holes for the run game at the guard position. Another point – why has it taken so long for Arians to let Abraham play a decent amount of downs? The guy clearly has gas left in the tank. Mendenhall, Bell, Johnson, Housler, and some O-Line members will need to be replaced with much better talent if we are going to compete.

  17. By G Witt on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    BA reminds me of Buddy Ryan, he has tunnel vision and is narrow minded. There is no way that Palmer isn’t responsible for the majority of all the interceptions. Granted our OL has it’s problems and we have an immobile QB. Our offense is a replica of last year. Same thing different day.
    It’s time to try the back up QB, at least he’s mobile. At this rate we’ll be luckly if we go 8 -8.
    I had such high hopes for the team this year.

  18. By johnnybluenose on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Arians says he plans no changes at the running back position but does not explain why. Sounds stubborn and arrogant to me. If he is so satisfied with our running backs maybe he could tell us why he chose not to run the ball even once when it was first and goal from the four yard line. And, maybe we would have better success running the ball if we had a fullback. Except we don’t have a fullback. Instead, we have tight ends. They have been quite helpful so far, haven’t they?

  19. By brian r. on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    football is becoming a girly sport with these unnecessary roughness fines.. i though hitting after the whistle and trash talking was what made this game dirty and gritty.. just the way we once liked it?

  20. By UK cards fan on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Finally Massie! He had one of the best second halves last year out of all starting offensive tackles in the NFC (according to adjusted line yards) . Something clearly started to click after his awful start to the season. This seems long overdue.

  21. By georgiebird on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Once again the Defense gets a pass- and it’s probably because the Offense is bad. Maybe someday BA will come to the realization that the 3-4 Defense is doomed when you don’t have a NT that has to be double teamed on every play. The 3-4 is also doomed when the LBs are for the most part ordinary and can be pushed around.- even if you think DWash is pretty good, it’s not nearly enough.
    The offense is not too good, but to have to play from behind for almost the whole game is not going to help the situation.
    I hope BA is saying one thing to the press but deep down- he sees what I see.
    The Defense is a long way from being able to play with the Big Boys.

  22. By Maff on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Arians is an idiot for playing Mendenhall for so many snaps instead of Ellington. It is obvious that Ellington has superior quickness and playmaking ability over Mendenhall. What are you saving him for? It wasn’t injury. Just stupidity. I live in KC and can see that Ellington needs to be the featured back. It’s plain as day.

  23. By Sean on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    The players union needs to stand up to Goodell & stop this petty fining BS before it gets worse…What the heck is wrong with this league???? Rodger Goodell & Merton Hanks are 2 out of control freaks!!
    BTW, Arians needs to think strongly about starting Watford, as Fanaika has been a piñata. Watford may have a ways to go, but we’re not going to the playoffs this year, so he needs to get him ready for next season to see if he is our answer at right guard, or if we need to look in FA or the draft. Besides, who knows he might be one of those guys that turns it up when the lights come on. I must say Palmer is one tough, calm dude to sit back there & take that pounding without cursing out his O-line! Winston has been a total embarrassment getting laid out by a safety…OUCH!!

  24. By Andy Kw on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    This team needs help on the offense:
    -QB, OL, RB
    QB Carson Palmer has been inaccurate and I would put the blame on him and the OL. When no receivers are open, throw it away out of bound or better yet try to scramble for a few yards or take the sack. The bright side to our OL is Daryn Colledge, Lyle Sendlein, and Eric Winston. OG Paul Fanaika has been okay but when OG Jonathan Cooper returns next season, our OL will be much stronger. Our issue is at Left Tackle. LT Bradley Sowell has been allowing to many pressures on Palmer so this team will need to look for a good Free Agent LT or draft one in the second round of the NFL Draft 2014. RB Rashard Mendenhall has been unimpressive since this OL has done a poor job. Andre Ellington seems to be the future for this team but right now, we need positive yards, not negative yardage from a former first round pick.
    -Our linebackers, defensive linemen, and CB Patrick Peterson/ FS Tyrann Mathieu are great on defense. Jerraud Powers, Yeremiah Bell, and Rashad Johnson are the flaws of this defense. That spark from Rashad Johnson last year has been extinguished, getting Powers who is an unproven player from the Colts is probably the worst decision this team made, and Yeremiah Bell is not fast enough to even chase anyone. We miss SS Adrian Wilson and FS Kerry Rhodes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is CB William Gay worse than CB Jerraud Powers, from what I can see, not in a billion years.

    -Draft 2014 priority:
    -Quarterback (Bridgewater, Boyd, Manziel)
    -Left Tackle

  25. By Leeskicitizen on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    What does the league do with all that money coming from fines?

  26. By Darren Urban on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Lees —

    RE: Fine money

    It is donated to NFL charities, I believe.

  27. By Chuck 1 on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Time to look ahead.

    Draft/FA NEEDS in 2014 (in order):

    LT, QB, TALL & fast S (able to cover TEs), pass rusher, TE, G, OLB, C, WR
    Add SPEED!!!

    As Keim said, it will take until 2015 for the Cards to assemble a roster that can challenge for the NFC Championship or even a playoff spot. The 9ers and Seahawks will only get better.

    This season; 6-10 or MAYBE 7-9 unless significant injuries occur (three more losses in the NFC Best).

  28. By Chris B on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    On the Palmer interceptions:

    I watched both of them again and here is what I saw-

    1st Q to Earl Thomas-
    Problem- Fitzgerald could have made the catch. Palmer under threw the ball. The ball was hit by Browner (defended). The ball floated in the air just long enough for Thomas to make a great play on the ball. Palmer could have done nothing different. It was the best throw to make, even if he under threw it.

    3rd Q to Browner-
    Problem- Palmer was smacked in the face as he threw the ball. Threw the ball to Floyd who was covered.
    Browner’s INT is nothing short of cheating; he pulled Floyd to the ground as Palmer made the throw. Floyd either a) would have caught it or b) Browner would have knocked it away. Instead, Browner got away with the most blatant pass interference as I have ever seen.

    I thought Keim and Arians were just blowing smoke, standing by “their guy” when they didn’t blame these INTs on Palmer. After watching them again… I will lean more towards trusting their judgement.
    Do the INTs still suck? Of course. But like with Levi Brown; Brown wasn’t the only problem and we can see that it can get worse. I trust that when Palmer proves he can’t play this game the way he needs to, Arians will make a change. But let’s not forget back-up QBs are back-ups for a reason.

  29. By jonnyb on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Its never the quarterbacks fault but it was last year right? Just own up to it Bruce u sound like a recording that goes on too say the same crap its getting old fast

  30. By red bird of death! on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    We had 2 big penalty calls get whiffed by the refs, Dockett got run over by beast man,our running backs run like chicks, Palmer is a sitting dead duck every game moving foward because besides Cooper there was really nothing else but band aids put on the shot gun wound that is our oline in the offseason.Cmon this guys a textbook pocket passer he’s doomed with these guys. Also tackling was really lame, I pray we turn this around and some how squeak into playoffs but just don’t see it ……..Go Cards!

  31. By red bird of death! on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    oh and also our offense is just plain slow, defenses feast on us because of it, no attack whatsoever it’s amazing watching the saints or Denver the defenses just can’t keep up with there attack with us you can take anap and we still go 3 and out, Arians has to be pissed and I don’t blame him he’s known as a great offense guy and he hasn’t got squat going on here yet and were 7 games in baby!

  32. By Coach K on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Darren, why isn’t B.A. giving Stanton a shot? We all agree the offensive line is having issues. So does it not make sense to replace an immobile quarterback with a mobile quarterback like Stanton who can at least avoid the pressure and make plays with his feet?

    I really don’t understand. Palmer is a sitting duck with this offensive line. At least Stanton can move and make plays with his feet and keep drives alive. And I recall watching Stanton in Detroit and he had a 5-6 game stretch as a starter where he looked fantastic.

    I feel Stanton has never been given a shot to blossom. I think he deserves a shot. Especially with our offensive line struggling to maintain a pocket for Palmer. Arian’s needs to give our team a change to win. Stanton gives us the mobility to keep drives alive. For him not to be given an opportunity is poor coaching in my book.

    As a former coach, I learned to build my offense around the talent I had on my roster. If I had a poor offensive line, I would not be asking my quarterback to make 5 and 7 steps drops to throw the ball deep. I would adjust and play my other athletic quarterback and change my offense to match the players I had on the field.

    Arian’s is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. It’s not going to fit Bruce. You need to help your players by building your offense around a quarterback who can overcome your weakness with his feet. It’s obvious to everyone our line cannot hold a pocket for Palmer, and we cannot bring in more linemen than we have right now. So the only option is playing an athletic quarterback who can overcome your weakness and give your team a better chance of winning.

    That man is Drew Stanton at this point in the season.

  33. By georgiebird on Oct 18, 2013 | Reply

    Rooting for the Cardinals gives me a balance. The Football Cardinals give me the agita and the Baseball Cardinals give me the relief.

  34. By Chris on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Depending on the results (the worse, the sooner) i expect Massie and Warford to play at the end of the season. Either next game or after the bye. They don’t (and apparently shouldn’t) see Winston as a long term answer, so getting Massie on the field seems to be right for the future. Same goes with Warford, although I’m surprised he doesn’t challengr (mediocre) Fanaika more. But getting the chemistry/experience with that future right side of the OL seems to be the right call 4 the future.

    Sowell struggles. could he become last yrs Massie (in terms of turnaround)? Sure. But i´m also surprised that Potter (who struggled when being on the field in the Jumbo Packages) wouldn’t be an upgrade at LT considering his (relatively solid) playing time last year.

    Obviously 2 different coaching staffs failed to provide decent protection with those guys, which might show that its the lack of talent available. But considering that the OL in Indi sucked too last yr, i´m worried its not only the players fault.

    ANy thoughts on those 3 things Darren?

  35. By kauaicardsfan on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Aloha Darren,

    I just watched the zoom video and was reminded about that accountability list. Are you able to see the list or only the players? Just wondering if the list has grown and if the same player(s) keeps showing up on the list?

    Mahalo !

  36. By Darren Urban on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Kauai —

    RE: Accountability list

    I do not see it.

  37. By Dennis on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    If Arians is going to be stubborn about making offensive moves the Cards will be in trouble. Palmer is not mobile, Stanton is. What have they got to lose by making a change? At least try him out. I don’t care what Arians says about these last two interceptions not being Palmers fault. He threw the ball, plain and simple!
    The running game is non existent, yet he makes no changes at running back. I would try any and everyone I could to see if I could find a hot hand to carry the ball.
    C’mon Arians do something to change things up even if it’s wrong.

  38. By Hammy on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    I know I speak for all Cardinals fans when I say WE ARE SICK OF LOSING! We have been the laughing stock of the NFL for as long as the league has been around. How can we stink year in and year out for as long as we have? Management! The Owners! Why do we continue to have hope? Because we care, and the Cardinals orginization needs to produce a winner NOW. For God sake, lets give Fitzgerald and Dockett a chance to win a superbowl! We continue to waste talent while the long time Cardinals players try to stick it out. While the fans continue having hope. Bruce Arians is the coach and he needs to put the best players in to give us a chance to win! Palmer sit down because you have already quit before, you are not reliable and you do not have a good arm. Bruce stop trying to protect Palmer’s feelings and put in Stanton. Mendenhall is average at best but surely NOT a playmaker! Answer to your running game… ELLINGTON! It is time to win, and win now!

  39. By ored on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    you guys are hilarious,palmer was sacked 7 times,hit 23 times,who knows how many pressures…you don’t care why,just that palmer threw the pick…really.

    short week,back to back games against arguably 2 top 5 teams and we’re still in transition…new everything almost.lots of expectations were for 8-8 this year would be a good sign,we’re still on course,do any of you not remember the 9ers and seattle a few years ago,takes a little time to turn a ship.we plugged holes as best we could,but it’s obvious we need youth and speed at skill areas,if it were easy everybody would be #1.

    worst thing we could do is start following all the couch coaching,it changes from week to week and opinions vary accordingly…fans are’nt the only ones frustrated,but that goes with the game,remember when the raiders were a top team…how long ago was that,give keim and BA their 3 years and then lets see where we’re at.

    looking for a TE,some real speed at reciever,a corner to complement patrick,OLB,LT,and a young QB to groom,fill those in FA and the draft and i think we turn the corner.

    still excited for this team.

  40. By Hammy on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Darren does Drew Stanton take any snaps with the 1st team in practice? Why the hesitation to put him in the game? I dont see how you pay someone 8 million dollars and have no faith in them at all.

  41. By Darren Urban on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Hammy, All —

    RE: Practice/Stanton

    Practice is closed so we don’t know how the snaps are split up.

    As for hesitation, it seems many keep asking Arians why. I don’t get this. Arians has said, pretty plainly, why. Over and over. I understand why people don’t like the explanation, but he’s made it pretty obvious he doesn’t think Palmer is enough at fault to change him up.

  42. By georgiebird on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    The gap between the Cards and SF/Seattle has widened since last year. Wilson and Kaepernick are getting better and our franchise QB isn’t even in the house yet.
    It’s time for Michael Bidwill to face up to the PR nightmare and trade off Larry and DD too. Unless the Cards come up with a franchise QB they will continue to lose four or five games in the division for the foreseeable future.
    BA was brought here to bring us a franchise QB. It’s going to be very difficult to get the future QB if we maintain the status quo.
    A 6-10 or 7-9 record will NOT get us an elite QB in the draft. If we don’t take some chances it will remain “Same old, Same old” for a long while.

  43. By Kevin S Mesa on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    The answer to why you don’t bench Palmer at this point:

    (a) You made a decision that he is the starter. Some fans act like this is a fantasy team and not a real team. You don’t just yank a guy because of a few more INT’s than average, especially when the coaching staff says that a number of them are not his fault.

    (b) The Cardinals are where a realistic fan would expect them to be so far. If you looked at the schedule at the start of the season, you would have assumed road losses vs. SF and NO. You would have liked to have gotten a win in the opener at STL, but you can’t have expected to win that game. Ditto for this home game vs. SEA. We needed to beat Detroit and Carolina at home. TB is obviously having issues but at the start of the season they were projected to be a pretty good team, so getting that win in an away game — even when we didn’t play well — was important.

    Yes, 3-4 sucks when it feels like we could be 5-2 (we had a double-digit lead vs. STL and we outplayed SF except for the 4 turnovers). But the fact is, even with Palmer not being very sharp, we’ve won the games we were supposed to and were in a position to win two more. An NFL team doesn’t throw in the towel on the season at 3-4 and say, OK, let’s just try the other guy. If we were 1-6 or 0-7 AND if we thought Stanton was the QB of the future, maybe. But does anyone calling for Stanton really think that? Many of those calling for Stanton are also saying we should draft a QB next year. Again, what are the odds that a backup QB in his 7th year (who was once the third stringer in Detroit) is our answer?

  44. By Kevin on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Wasn’t this supposed to be fixed from last year where our QB’s had 4 seconds to get the ball out before being roadkill ? ”The pressure was too much for QB Carson Palmer and the pass protection must improve ”, Arians said.

    It cost Whiz, Graves, Skelton, Kolb, Wells, Snyder among many their job last year. The line was to be the central focus of rebuilding and Arians needs to be held accountable.

  45. By Mr Robles on Oct 19, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Darren do you think Ryan Williams will get a shot soon? & was it me or did the refs miss a couple calls Thursday night.

  46. By cardsalltheway on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Keep this up and CP will go down at a home game but won’t get up, then the fans might sound like the Houston Texan fans.

  47. By Tee on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Arians should consider starting Stanton, (not just because old Carson is noodle-armed – but because Stanton has better legs and is more althletic. With the o-line in shambles, Carson has to dodge defenders and run out of the pocket frequently – and he is terrible when forced to run if he gets away before getting sacked. Arians is a stubborn coach who refuses to move away from his vertical offense even though his QB is not given time for the long routes to develop with a porous line. Just look at Andrew Luck last year – he was contantly being knocked down and sacked with the same issues the Cards have today – vertical passing, downfield deep route driven scheme without protection…and again Big Ben the year before with Arians in PIT ….only difference is that Luck and Ben can throw on the run. So if you won’t budge on your scheme Mr. Arians – then put in a QB that has a fighting chance to get a pass away before he ends up on his back.

  48. By Louisville Card on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    Rough loss the cards needs a lot of help next year in the draft. Do you know if they sent any scouts to the UofL game last week? 26 of the 32 teams were there and I was hoping one of those teams was the cards…

  49. By Darren Urban on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Louisville —

    RE: Louisville

    I don’t know if the Cards were there last week but I wouldn’t worry about the Cards scouting Lousiville. I wouldn’t worry about any team covering that.

  50. By Louisville Card on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    I guess you haven’t heard of Teddy Bridgewater?

  51. By Darren Urban on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    Louisville —

    RE: Louisville

    Relax. I’m not saying the Cards don’t have to worry about scouting them. I’m saying you shouldn’t worry about if they will scout. Of course they will. Not sure why you even worried about it in the first place.

  52. By jasonc on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with JTDG that Carson is getting a lot of criticism for the int’s this year, and he is right, if you go back and watch them it’s hard to say that they’re his fault. Our protection hasn’t been good enough, our WR’s haven’t got separation and of course Carson has made some bad decisions, but it’s our offense as a whole that needs to get better.

    As far as all of the fans who want to give up on the season or turned the game off because they were disgusted….kick rocks. Why do you pull for the Cards? I’m sure you can do something better with your time. But, when we do start to win again, don’t dust off your jersey and start celebrating with us….stay gone, we don’t need front runner fans.

  53. By truths4all on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    The Blame Game on Palmer merely shows how uneducated most fans are about football and there are a lot of them here.

    Case in point, we have all witnessed how Brady has struggled this season with new receivers (including proven FA receivers) who do not know how to run nor how to finish the routes as they should be running. We all saw the growing pains Manning went through at Denver when he started with a new bunch of receivers. We all see how horrible Eli Manning has looked this season with an offensive line that is even worse than the Cards.

    Keep in mind that Palmer is nowhere as good as Brady or the two Mannings. Of course he is going to struggle when the receivers (including Fitz) keep running the wrong routes. Of course he is going to throw INTs because almost every throw has to be to a spot where the receiver is suppose to get to and should by the time the ball gets there. And if the receiver does not do his job in getting to a spot at the right time, often times a defensive back will be in the spot the receiver is suppose to be. When that happens, you get an INT. If a QB waits until the receiver is clear and open, then its too late to pass the ball as the DB also can also see and react to where the receiver is and where the ball is going.

    Granted, Palmer does not always choose the right receiver to throw to and often he throws too soon when a split second longer would show where a route would be an open spot in the defense. But with the horrible offensive line, it is certainly understandable why Palmer feels acutely the need to pass as quickly as possible.

    Come on Cards fans, be smarter than the forty-whiners and sea-chicky fans.

  54. By TucsonTim on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    When was the last time a 60 year old ROOKIE made a difference in anything and NO taking over another coach’s team and all of the other coaches doesn’t count, he just gets credit for not driving the Ferrari off the road into a ditch

    BTW look at how well Anthony Sherman is playing for the KC Chiefs…oh my, didn’t Andy Reid get the memo, Fullbacks aren’t needed in the NFL

  55. By Adam Larson on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Darren, why isn’t the Alabama QB ever mentioned as a top QB? He has led the Tide to 2 Championships and looks like they are rolling to a 3rd this season… If we are gonna take a MOBILE QB in the draft, may I please suggest Marcus Mariota of Oregon. JTDG, what LT are going to be around for the CARDS to pick?

  56. By Timmy on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Did anyone notice the pass interference by Browner on both interceptions. 1st one he beats the ball to Fitz. The second one he pulled on Floyd’s jersey in order to jump in front of Floyd, which is why Floyd wasn’t in the right spot to make a catch. If both of those are called this is a completely different game. I’m going to save judgement until after the season. We all knew this was a rebuilding project. You didn’t honestly think it would only take one offseason did you.

  57. By Chuck 1 on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    I thought that Michael Bidwill made two great personnel decisions when he hired Keim and BA.

    HOWEVER, if Keim, especially being a former lineman, doesn’t fix the OL problem in the next FA/draft period, not to mention the QB problem, he will have lost my support.

    Even if Keim does fix those two problems, it will still take until 2015 to challenge for the NFC Best Championship.

  58. By georgiebird on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    More bad news for the Cardinals- Sam Bradford got injured. There goes our one potential win in the division- STL at home.

  59. By Scott H on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Kevin S Mesa –

    So, if I understand you correctly, we can expect to beat the bad / average teams on our schedule but we should accept that we are not gonna beat the good ones like San Fran, New Orleans, Seattle. Wow, dude. Wow. This oragnization must love you. Because your mindset appears to be exactly what they want from their fans – perpetual patience and understanding.

    That would be fine and dandy except for ONE small detail – you ain’t gonna win ( or come anywhere close to ) a SB by beating the Lions, Panthers, and Buccs. I really don’t know where your head is at but I will continue to protest often and loud about the on-going losing that this synonomous with this organization. And I hope many others will as well.

    It is not OK with me that we can’t be expected to beat the REAL teams in the NFC and I will not accept it. I accept the reality of where this team is right now. But I DO NOT accept the on-going failure of the organization to build a winning team.

  60. By Corgon on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Bell is awful. Carrol known that and and went his direction almost every time.

  61. By Scott H on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    truths4all –

    OK…so, Fitz has played at a level all these years that will probably put in the HOF someday ( somewhere where, I might add, Carson Palmer will never be unless he buys a ticket ) but suddenly, with CP at QB THIS year, he can’t even run the right routes??? Geez, how ’bout that….Fitz has been a fraud all this time and it took a legend like Carson Palmer to expose him for what he really is!

    Thank God you came along to educate us.

  62. By georgiebird on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    I am starting to get a little down on BA. Thought he was a very insightful HC- a guy who could turn this franchise around. The doubt that is now beginning to creep in my mind (and I’m trying to suppress it)- did BA get the job because he was willing to work cheap. C’mon BA- prove me wrong. Here are some suggestions:
    1) Trade Larry (he will be old when the team gets better)
    2) Go to a real 4-3 (linebackers here don’t cut it in a 3-4)
    3) get a lot faster on the offense esp at WR and RB
    4) Some offensive woes are caused by the defense giving up early scores
    5) Trade Palmer with all the QB injuries
    6) Gambling defenses are so “hit or miss”

    I heard a great comment from Steve Mariucci today. He said ” I’m a little worried about Tom Brady- the Patriots defense is so banged up that Tom will be playing from behind a lot.” I wonder how “Mooch” feels about Cardinals’ QB’s that have played from behind forever due to a lousy defense????

  63. By Andy Kw on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    We have a lot of winnable games left: Jacksonville (Away), Philadelphia (away), Atlanta (Home), Houston (Home), St. Louis (Home), San Francisco (Home), Tennessee (away).
    -I know this team has been struggling, but I have hope that this team can turn it around and become 10-6.
    -We still have 9 games left and I believe we will make a stance against Atlanta. I believe Carson Palmer will start clicking with the offense starting next week and Larry Fitzgerald will be playing at his best against Atlanta.

  64. By John The Draft Guy on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Adam Larson,

    It is still early in the process, but the two best LTs are Mathews at A&M and Lewan at MIchigan. Had either come out as Juniors, I am sure we would have had one at #7.

    McCarrens is underated because Alabama is so good. Defense, Running game, OLine, the QB doesnt get the credit he deserves. I personally like AJ, and think he will be a good NFL QB.

  65. By Coach K on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Darren, there are two players you will hear about in next years cardinals draft for sure. Taylor Lewan, OT from Michigan will be one of them. The other will be Sean Mannion, Quarterback from Oregon State. The most pro ready QB of any in this draft.

  66. By Chuck 1 on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    I used that overused word (according to me), “GREAT”

  67. By infitzwetrust on Oct 20, 2013 | Reply

    Bradford out for season!

    We should trade Palmer to the rams!


  68. By Coach K on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    Adam, I want to answer your question about what Tackles will be available for the Cards potentially. I’m assuming Keim will move up to get one if needed. The top three are Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewan, and Antonio Richardson. I think Richardson is the one who will be there for us.

  69. By John The Draft Guy on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply


    Bridgewater is heading to Jacksonville. Start looking at another QB.

  70. By John The Draft Guy on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    Coach K,

    Instead of trading up in the draft, There is a guy the cards should have circled as their top FA.
    Jared Veldheer, LT for the raiders. Will the raiders resign him and put Watson at RT, is a strong possibility. But if he hits the open market, that is my first call if I am Keim.

    As for the rookies, I really like Mathews, but take a look at the rookies this year. All three top guys are at RT and have struggled at times. If we draft a LT, dont expect him to be great in year one.

    Of Course, if you cant get one in FA, draft one in the first round.

  71. By John The Draft Guy on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    Since several people have brought up the draft, has anyone been watching the beast known as Mike Evans?

    The WR for A&M is 6’5″ and 225. Reminds me of Calvin Johnson. Although we have WRs, watching this guy can change all your draft plans.
    He is the top WR and could end up being a top 5 pick.

  72. By jstn on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    cards have some of the worse fans, sometimes. Keep working at it team it will start to work soon

  73. By Jonathan on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    To take everyone’s mind off the weekend, check out this ‘Hard Knocks’ parody with a pee-wee football team on Funny Or Die. Jerry from Parks & Recreation, plays a Rex Ryan-inspired head coach. Pretty funny.

    Episode 1 –

    Episode 2 –

    Episode 3 –

  74. By jasonc on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    Scott H-

    No one is saying we’re ok with losing to the top teams. What Kevin appears to be saying is be reasonable. We’re coming off a 4 win season, we turned over half of our roster, we have an entirely new coaching staff, a new GM and our #1 pick is on IR and you are mad because we lost a competitive game on the road to San Francisco and a heartbreaking, albeit not as awful as it looked live on replay, game to Seattle? Those teams are favorites to compete for the Super Bowl and we have shown that we can play with them if we can eradicate some of the mistakes we’ve been making.

  75. By jasonc on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    Adam/JTDG/Coach K-

    This is a pretty deep class for LT’s depending on who comes out. Here are the top guys as far as I can tell:

    1. Jake Matthews Texas A&M
    2. Taylor Lewan Michigan
    3. Cyrus Kouandijo Alabama
    4. Antonio Richardson Tennessee
    5. Cameron Erving FSU
    6. La’el Collins LSU
    7. James Hurst UNC

    Not only is Jared Veldheer a possible FA, although I think there is no way the Raiders let him walk, Brandon Albert will be a FA as well. There should be a lot of opportunities for us to upgrade position next year and with Jonathan Cooper coming back it’s like having an extra first rounder.

  76. By jasonc on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply


    I think if we go after WR’s they are going to be burners! 4.3 or less!

    Did you watch Michael Sam from Missouri? He had three sacks against Florida and now has 9 on the year! @ 6’2 255 he is destined to become a 3-4 linebacker. Just another pass rusher to keep an eye on like Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr.

  77. By John The Draft Guy on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply


    I havent seen Michael Sam but I will put him on the radar.

    I love Anthony Barr but I have a feeling he will be gone before we pick.

    Oh, I know we are going to look for burners and drafting another big WR would be stupid for the cards. I was just saying this guy is so good, he could make you do something stupid. Evans is one of my favorites in the 2014 draft.

  78. By Scott H on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    jasonc –

    Hey, man. I struggle with the “reasonable” part. As stated, I understand where the team is at right now. But what is reasonable, exactly? Sorry, but I can’t just look at right now and be reasonable. I became a fan in 1975. That was almost 40 YEARS ago. This organization has been to the playoffs THREE TIMES ( excluding the non-strike year, which was a joke and really should not count ) since then. Is it un-reasonable for me to expect a better rate of success than that? I don’t think so. I watch as this organization continues to flounder while division mates like Seattle and San Fran build teams built for long-term success / domination. No. I am not being un-reasonable.

    What is a baseball player’s batting avg if he gets 3 hits out of 40 at-bats? It’s pathetic.

    How long do you or I keep our jobs if we succeed at a task at a rate of 3 times out of 40? Not long.

    So? Why is it reasonable for this organization to STILL be trying to get it right after all this time?

    This is a pro sports organization and it is reasonable for fans to expect better than this.

  79. By Kevin S Mesa on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply

    Scott H —

    I understand the frustration, but the organization just hired a new GM and coach. They aren’t miracle workers. They tried to address the most pressing need (O-line) with our #7 OA draft pick, and unfortunately the guy broke his leg, so that was a setback. They tried to address the other very pressing need (QB) with a guy who was considered the best available free agent QB. It hasn’t worked out great, but we have moved the ball better than last year.

    My point was not that fans should be satisfied losing to SF, SEA, etc., but just simply that a realistic fan probably would expect us to be where we are now. I mean, Vegas had the O/U on Cards wins at 5.5 this year. I think given how the Falcons and Texans are underperforming, we should win at least one of the upcoming two home games against them, and of course the Jacksonville game. So we should be 5-5 (maybe 6-4 if all goes well) after those 3 games. Either way, if we’re at at least 5 wins after 10 games, we’ll have 6 more games to exceed last year’s win total. So I think we’re headed in the right direction.

  80. By Louisville Card on Oct 21, 2013 | Reply


    A guy can dream about getting Teddy…I can see a possible scenario that would allow the Cards to get Teddy and don’t be surprised if Jacksonville is the first pick to see Teddy come back next year…

    @Coach K

    They must not air Louisville games where you live if you think Mannion looks better than Bridgewater…

    @ Darren

    Sorry about being short but it sounded like you were disrespecting louisville by your statements, and my question seemed valid since ESPN was talking about 26 team’s sending scouts to that game…

  81. By jasonc on Oct 22, 2013 | Reply

    Scott H-

    If you’ve been a fan for 40 years then why do you need me to explain this to you? It is common knowledge that the Cardinals had the worst team management, arguably in the history of sports, during Bill Bidwill’s tenure at the helm of this team. I’m sure you are well aware that since moving to the desert we have drafted one quarterback (Matt Leinart) in the first round of the draft and have had 12 different head coaches…that is a 23 year span! And you’re right. All of this is unacceptable, but as a well informed fan, I’m sure you’re also aware that Michael Biwill runs the team now. He was instrumental in securing the new stadium, which if you were one of the fans (like me) who spent Sundays in the sweltering heat at Sun Devil Stadium that is a win in itself. During his tenure running the team we have been able to re-sign our premier players and since opening U of P in 2006 (7 seasons) we’ve had 3 losing seasons, 2 winning seasons (which included back to back NFC West Champs, a Super Bowl appearance and 4 playoff wins) and 2 years of 8-8, not great, but better than the previous decades of Cardinal football. We’ve been reeling since the retirement of Kurt Warner, Matt Leinart being a bust hurt, but after the Derrick Anderson year Michael Bidwill spent the money to bring Kevin Kolb here. Unfortunately, that move didn’t work and we had two more seasons of pain. However, we’ve been steadily building a better defense with successful draft picks and Steve Keim has a plan to repair and improve our financial situation. Look, in order to be a successful NFL franchise you need franchise QB or a dominate defense and a running game. The biggest sin of the Cardinals franchise is the debacle of QB’s that we have fielded.

    We were lucky that Kurt Warner had a reawakening of his elite status here because that wasn’t the case when he was brought here…no one knew he could play at that level again. We have to draft a QB, and we have to keep drafting QB’s every year until we find one. I just think for you to unload 40 years of frustration on a first year HC/GM after 7 games is unreasonable.

  82. By Scott H on Oct 22, 2013 | Reply

    Kevin s Mesa –

    Well, I hope they are heading in the right direction. But, again, the optimism doesn’t come easy and that is NOT due to a negative frame of mind on my part. It is rooted in a history that indicates a very poor track record for getting it right and turning things around. Yes, the GM and head coach are new. OK. But…have we not heard this song before??? THAT is part of the problem. When you do this every few years, it is an indcation that you are failing. And when you are failing, you are going to do this every few years. The cycle has been virtually perpetual since the late 1970’s. That is – unfortuantely – amazing when you think about it.

    But…I’m hanging in there.

  83. By Scott H on Oct 22, 2013 | Reply

    jasonc –

    You don’t have to explain anything to me. I know my history. Yes, unfortunately, the name Bidwill is far too well known as the very standard of incompetence and ineptitude where pro sports ownership is concerned. So, what are you telling me that I don’t already know?

    Where the QB position is concerned, can you imagine the barren wasteland we would be looking at if it had NOT been for Warner’s late-career reainasance??? Oh…My…God. But what do you expect when you have not even tried to draft a viable QB in going on 10 years??? Look around, man…the DRAFT is where you have to find your franchise QB. Period. Franchise QB’s do not become FA’s and they are not traded. They are drafted. And it ain’t like this team hasn’t had any high draft picks recently. Unfortunately, they have one just about every year. Don’t get me wrong, players like Patrick Peterson are great and you need them, too. But defensive backs aren’t gonna take you to a Super Bowl.

    This organization needs to stop throwing darts at a board where the QB is concerned. Drafting the right QB may not be easy and, no, there are no guarantees ( Ryan Leaf??? ). BUT you have to give yourself a chance to get it right by taking the risk. And they haven’t done that since the day they drafted Leinart.

    I’d say it’s about time to try again. What do you have to lose? Derek Anderson and Kevin Kolb sure as hell didn’t solve your problems.

  84. By Kevin S Mesa on Oct 22, 2013 | Reply

    Scott H —

    I understand. Really, I do. But I think jasonc has a point — the more recent history of the Cardinals suggests more of a focus on winning. Don’t get me wrong; we aren’t a model franchise. But as was pointed out, we’ve had a couple winning seasons, playoff appearances, a SB, a couple 8-8’s, and three losing seasons in the past 7 years. That isn’t that bad, considering how we’ve struggled at QB outside of Warner. A couple moves (Leinart, Kolb) at that position have failed miserably, and we wasted last year experimenting with Skelton/Kolb/Lindley which cost Whiz his job.

    You are 100% that Palmer’s performance has not been as good as expected, and whether the blame lies with him or in some cases the O-line or receivers doesn’t really matter. We expected the 2013 offense to be better than it is. I still think it will be, but we’ll see.

  85. By Coach K on Oct 23, 2013 | Reply

    Louisville Card, I did not rate Mannion above Bridgewater. But the reality is, Bridgewater will be the first QB taken in the draft. Probably #1 overall to Jacksonville, so there is no sense discussing him as a Cardinal draft prospect.

    The Cardinals may need to trade up into the bottom of round one just to get a shot at either Mettenberger or Mannion. McCarrens is a quality player but he lacks the arm strength. That is one thing the scouts notice and why McCarrens will slide into round two or perhaps round three. Bridgewater Mettenberger and Mannion are clearly the most accurate passers and most NFL ready. The other top guys are more of the read option type guys and dual threat guys.

    Jasonc is correct, there are at least five (5) elite Left Tackle prospects in this draft: Matthews, Lewan, Kouandjio, Richardson, and Erving. There is no way Keim is going to pass on any of these in round one. This draft is deep at left tackle and you can take it to the bank the Cards are not missing one this coming draft. In fact, I would not be surprised to see them draft a right tackle or another guard in later rounds.

    No question they will go LT, QB, and Edge rusher in the first three picks.

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