Ranking positions of need

Posted by Darren Urban on February 10, 2014 – 1:01 pm

Next week, the decision-makers for the Cardinals and the rest of the NFL will head to Indianapolis for the annual Scouting combine. Already teams, including the Cards, have been meeting and ranking their rosters and figuring out what direction they will need to go in. Free agency, which begins March 11 officially (although teams came start to talk to guys from other teams a couple of days before that), will impact what happens in the draft and the rest of the offseason.

But before all that, and before the Cardinals re-sign any more of their own players, here are — in my opinion — the positions that need to be addressed the most over the next few months:

1) Offensive line: It doesn’t hurt that this encompasses multiple positions. Ultimately, it is left tackle that the Cardinals likely need to go after the most. I have no doubt Bradley Sowell can be depth at the position, but clearly the Cards would like to upgrade there. Easier said than done, of course, and we’ll see if it comes in free agency or the draft.

2) Defensive line: You’re not going to win in the NFC West unless both lines of scrimmage are fortified. As it stands now, the defensive line seems to be OK, with Calais Campbell and Darnell Dockett and Dan Williams. But Alameda Ta’amu was an important co-nose tackle with Williams, and he is coming off ACL surgery. Dockett’s age and contract will likely call into question his future after 2014. And with Frostee Rucker a free agent, the Cardinals need depth there, especially after using rotations during the season.

3) Linebacker: This is in part a continuation of the defensive line issue, because whether you consider a pass rusher a linebacker or a defensive end in nickel situations, the Cards still need pass rushers. John Abraham was a godsend in 2013 but he is not getting younger, even if he has another double-digit sack year in his arsenal. Alex Okafor is an unknown quantity at outside linebacker after his lost rookie season, and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Matt Shaughnessy get away as a free agent. It’s hard to tell, since both missed most of the season, how well Lorenzo Alexander and Sam Acho fit in the defense as well. That doesn’t even include the inside, where Karlos Dansby could still leave.

4) Tight end: This position probably should be higher on the list, considering all the free agents the Cardinals have. Then again, maybe I’m just used to the Cards just getting along the best they can at tight end to make sure other spots are taken care of first. But Bruce Arians likes to use the tight end in multiple ways and use multiple tight ends. The Cards need bodies, and that’s even if Jim Dray returns. Rob Housler had flashes again last season but this is likely a make-or-break season for him to stay healthy and be consistent.

5) Safety: Even if Yeremiah Bell returns he is older. Tyrann Mathieu is coming off major knee surgery. The depth is thin, and the Cardinals, as you might have heard, had some issues covering tight ends last season. As good as Richard Sherman is, a big reason why the Seahawks secondary is so good is because Earl Thomas is backstopping Sherman and all those corners. Getting a safety like that wouldn’t be too bad.

Bonus) Quarterback: There’s no reason to list QB in the top five because the Cardinals are fine going into next season playing with Carson Palmer. There’s no argument there, really. But reality says the future QB has to be acquired sooner rather than later. This is a draft-only kind of scenario. I don’t see the Cards seeking another trade or anything. But at some point, GM Steve Keim is going to come across a quarterback he likes very much when the Cards are on the clock. And he needs to pull that trigger for down the road.


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  1. By 2liberal on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    re: housler: I personally thought last season was make or break for him, and he was not productive.

  2. By georgiebird on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    The NFC West is so good that the margin of error for Keim and BA is almost non-existent. Last year’s draft had the makings of a disaster as #1 gets hurt and #2 makes very little contribution. Only because of the best #3 and #6 choice in the draft did the Cardinals come out OK.
    While the Cards can use help at every position to keep pace with SF and Seattle, I believe the linebacker position needs a big upgrade. Each of the LBs is a decent player but not one of them is a stud. DWash gets pushed around, KD and JA are near the end and while MS could be quicker, he could be the best of the group all things considered. If the Cards continue with the 3-4, finding some linebackers who are a cross between DWash and MS would be a big plus.

  3. By Darren Urban on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Georgie —

    RE: Washington

    I have a very hard time taking you seriously every time you try to degrade Washington. Is he Bowman? No. Is he Pro Bowl-caliber? Yes.

  4. By alabamacardinals on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    Do u see Will Sutton as a possible replacement for DD? if so, what round would they take him?

  5. By Darren Urban on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Alabama —

    RE: Sutton

    Too early to know.

  6. By Mike G on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Hope all is well! I hope the Card’s just keep adding physicality to their draft. An OL,DL or Safety would be great . You make a good point in that last year the TE’S hurt the Card’s and a big safety would be a nice piece to add to try to solve that problem. I do trust Keim and I believe he will continue to try to build this team in the mold of SF and Seattle. That win in Seattle last year was huge for the team and should give them confidence rolling into 2014. To me it is never a bad thing to make your team stronger across the lines. Darren—Do you see the Cards going LB in the top 3 Rounds given that Acho, Alexander and Okafor coming back next year?????

  7. By Darren Urban on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: LB

    If they can get a pass rusher I wouldn’t be surprised.

  8. By 'Zona Fan on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply


    How do you consistently come up with so many dumb comments? Didn’t you also say the 49ers and Seahawks would rule the division for years to come, and that they’d blow us away at the end of last season? I seem to remember us playing both teams to the end, and easily could’ve won both games. And now you think we need to upgrade Washington and Dansby? Dude, they were a top 5 LB duo last season!! And that was even with Washington missing 4 games!

    The reality is that we can compete with Seattle and San Francisco, and to improve our defense we need young, talented OLBs, not ILBs. Pass rush ability is quickly becoming the most important quality in the NFC West, so the more talent we have at OLB, the better we can compete.

  9. By Craig on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    With Stanton and Lindley as backups, why do we need to draft a quarterback? BA praises Lindley and Stanton. Stanton could come in next year and Lindley after that. I don’t see why we can’t draft a quarterback next year or even the year after that.
    This year I still hope we use first pick on a Offensive line starter. I will always believe that’s our biggest problem until it’s not. We have to get better up front. With Copper back and a FA/draft LT, draft or use Watford at the other guard position (I still don’t believe in Colledge), put Massie back at RT and maybe we won’t have to draft linemen next year.

  10. By georgiebird on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    DWash is a fast linebacker. His speed is pro-bowl caliber-the rest of his game is a little above average. The thing about guys like DWash and Vonn Miller-when you let them roam free, they make plays. When you play them straight up and put a guy in their face-you can take them right out of the game.
    His play against Seattle and SF has not been Pro-bowl caliber.

  11. By Darren Urban on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Georgie —

    RE: Washington

    We’ll agree to disagree.

  12. By David on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    I have seen a few mock drafts with the cardinals picking a CB high, I don’t see that happening. I think Jerraud Powers did a decent job this past year, and I completely agree that we need to upgrade at safety. Tony Jefferson stats might not add up, but I do think he passed the eyeball test when he was on the field. I was lucky enough to watch all the games on sunday ticket. -Wisconsin Cardinals fan

  13. By D on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    My attempt to provide answers for the needs listed above:

    1- Oline–sign a qaulity vet at Left tackle next to the rookie Cooper
    Resign Winston to help the soon to be rookie starter Watford at LG
    (yes, I would cut DC even though he has been a decent addition last
    few years–bad contract from previous regime)

    2- Dline–resign Rucker and give offer to RFA Ta amu who hopefully can
    contribute by Oct. This is the year to take another difference
    maker in Round 1 at DL to replace Dockett after this upcoming yr
    3– LB- resign Dansby. Can’t fill all needs in one offseason-with Okafor,
    Acho and Alexander all under contract, will have to see this year
    how they produce and address next offseason.
    4– TE–resign Ballard and Dray and draft a TE in round 5 or 6.
    5– Safety–I would draft a SS in round 2 of this draft, and/or attempt to sign
    C. Clemmons in free agency. (he can cover TEs)
    6– QB–Since Palmer is starting next year and BA really high on our backup
    I don’t see wasting a QB draft pick in the first 4 rounds of the draft
    unless they see a kid who could replace Lindley

  14. By Andy Kw on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    I Will Probably Get Many Thumbs Down So I Expect It:
    Darnell Docket, Daryn Colledge, Calais Campbell, Daryl Washington, Carson Palmer please restructure your contracts immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    -D. Dockett: Restructure your base salary for the 2014 season by bringing it down from $8.75 million to around $3-4 million.
    -D. Colledge: Restructure your base salary for the 2014 season from $7.275 million to $2-3 million. If you don’t then your time here will be up.
    -C. Campbell: Restructure your base salary from the 2014 season $11.25 million to around $6-8 million. You are the face of the defense and we want the best for this team.
    -D. Washington: Restructure your base salary for the 2014 season from $6 million to $4-4.5 million. You will still be earning a lot of money.
    -C. Palmer: Restructure your 2014 salary from $11 million to $5-6 million. You’re an aging veteran and we need more money to sign younger players.

    -Once all of these restructuring of contracts are done, we should consider these Free Agents (not including our own):
    -DE Michael Johnson (CIN) :Could convert to OLB with the 6’7” 270Ibs frame. Sign him to a 2-3yr deal if possible.
    -KR/WR Dexter McCluster (KC): He will be used in all sorts of way and I expect him to be expensive but worth the cost. A 3yr deal makes sense. He can play Slot, can have a few run plays, be a KR, and can be a true deep threat.
    -OT Charles Brown (NO): He has played under one of the best offensive minded coach in the NFL. He can be a steal if we sign him to a 2yr deal and at rhe age of 26, his LT job could be secured.
    -SS Bernard Pollard (TEN): He is a much younger and more athletic than Yeremiah Bell. His awareness is pretty good and he good make many game changing plays at age 29. If he is going to be expensive then we should avoid him if not, then this team should pursue him. This guy is a tackling machine. I like Donte Whitner as well but Pollard’s skills cannot be denied. Sign him to a 2yr deal.
    -DB Sergio Brown (IND): Team up with Justin Bethel making our special teams one of the best. With Lorenzo Alexander’s leadership in this position, our ST could be feared to many teams. He could be a valuable safety in depth and could compete as a starter with his 6’2” 217Ibs frame. He should be cheap and should reunite with Bruce Arians. A 1yr deal makes sense.


    -Restructuring Larry Fitzgerald’s deal opened enough room to negotiate a new contract with Patrick Peterson and maybe just enough to bring back ILB Karlos Dansby.
    -LB Marcus Benard
    -DE Frostee Rucker
    -TE Jim Dray
    -K Jay Feely

  15. By spitzman on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    What u r suggesting is that everyone take pay cuts including players that had pro bowl caliber seasons and on top of that the cards management has no leverage whatsoever being that most of the players u have listed have mega amounts of dead money if cut/traded that the cards cant afford! Everyone seems 2 think that dwash needs 2 restructure his contract even at 6 mil cap, which seems like a bargain 2 me for being one of the most dynamic linebackers in the league! I do agree colledge will need 2 take pay cut or be designated for june 1st cut, saving total of 5 mil of cap space. If wartford can step up next yr no need for him at 7 mil. Plz let me no if im mistaken. Go cards!

  16. By erik on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    C’mon Georgie! Just when I thought you were coming around. Washington is TOPS in the league, and Dansby put forth a defensive MVP season.

  17. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Andy KW,

    I think Charles Brown is an interesting name. He has started as a LT but the saints drafted Terron Armstead (I seem to remember someone on this board wanting him in the second round 🙂 ) and replaced him with the rookie.

    He is an upgrade over Sowell and he might come a lot cheaper than guys like Albert.

    I would compare him to Mike Gandy from our 2008 cardinal team. A vet who could hold down the job for a couple years. Not a good LT but maybe good enough.

    As I have said before, last year the cards picked up FAs and then drafted players behind those FAs. Grabbing a guy like Brown could allow them to truly take the BPA. If that happens to be a tackle, bonus.

    Brown then could compete with Massie on the other side. I think I let Winston walk.

  18. By Drake on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    I must be watching different games then you. I agree with you on offensive line partially but that’s about it. I’d put kicker near the top of that list. Feely’s inability to kick the ball into the endzone on kickoffs, like every other team does, has really hurt this team many times. Corner back other then PP, running back other then Ellington.. and what if these guys get injured?

  19. By Darren Urban on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Drake —

    RE: Needs

    Kicker? You can find a kicker. Even if Feely returns, they would be fine.

    I’m not saying they won’t chase other guys, but given the roster, who they like, who is under contract, I don’t see them making CB or RB a priority.

  20. By georgiebird on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Interesting stat:

    In 1976, the St Louis Football Cardinals became the 1st team with a 10-6 record to miss the playoffs. In 2013, the AZ Cardinals became the last team to miss the playoffs with a 10-6 record.

  21. By murf3122 on Feb 12, 2014 | Reply

    Georgie —

    Nfl only played 14 games in 1976…

  22. By Big Ken on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    So if Carlos Dansby signs with another team, would we not get a pretty good compensatory pick for him? A third rounder? I think we get out bid. He takes someone else’s money and runs.

  23. By georgiebird on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    In commenting on the DRC “retiring” article prior to the SB- was I the only one on this blog who said the Seahawks would win the game easy.. I did win quite a bit on the game.

  24. By Rugbymuffin on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    How many make or break seasons does Rob Housler get ?

  25. By georgiebird on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    @ ‘Zona Fan
    When was the last time you were right about anything- except 2+2=4. When you are insignificant on this blog, no one remembers what you said.

  26. By Patrick Hoog aka Don't Take Losses on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Yep, Cards need 6 top flight additions and maybe 10-12 altogether that can play. Keim has work cut out. Nice breakdown D. Still, less daunting off season than last year.

  27. By Coach K on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Darren I tend to agree with your list. Here’s a mock I would like to offer for discussion.

    Rd.1- Justin Gilbert, CB, Okla st. (Would give Cards bookend shut down CB’s)

    Rd. 2- Antonio Richardson, T, Tenn. (If he slides, this will be a steal)

    Rd.3- Deone Buchannon, SS, Wash. St. (This kid is an enforcer)

    Rd.4- Mike Davis, WR, Texas (Great value pick in round 4 “athlete”)

    Rd. 5- George Uko, DT, USC (Can learn behind Docket in rotation)

    Rd. 6- Tyler Larsen, C, Utah St. (Quality player with great feet. Adds depth)

  28. By V-Man on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Free agency i believe that we should go after a LT (B.Albert, J. Veldheer) and that should be the main target along with re-signing Dansby.
    Targets for the draft should be


    With Steve Keim and Uncle Bruce at the helm I like our chances!!

  29. By Cactus jeff on Feb 10, 2014 | Reply

    Safety is number 1 need and then speed at WR. Where I would like to see upgrades…LT, DB opposite PP, and TE.

  30. By perry matherne on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    I’m telling you now,don’t mess up that defensive squad.Maybe add some big conerbacks to accomadate tyrannn like seattle,look what it did for them!

  31. By shannon robinson on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Thanks Darren. Between Breaking Down the Birds and Ranking Positions, you’ve given us Fanatics some good tools to evaluate our Roster. What has struck me is how hard the scouts and personnel team are working to get depth and searching for the next breakthrough talent at all positions. Just a glance at the Safety position, for example, tells us they are now looking for a young strong safety with height and size to complement Mathieu. Todd Bowles was a great safety for the Redskins – he was a smasher. The Cards got the best Rookie Free Agent in Jefferson, retained talent with R. Johnson, had Curtis Taylor for depth and now are checking out Orhian Johnson, who’s 6’3″. All it tells us is they drafted for a safety last year and they’re not finished. The Cards organization knows we’ve always had great safeties : Wilson, McDonald, Tillman, and Wilson. It’s part of the Cardinals tradition and we deserve to have that guy again. Thanks to your evaluations, Darren, we know he’s on the way.

  32. By Cody Zarr on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    I was a little surprised to see DE on your list, but what you’re saying makes sense. It’s a little terrifying to think of our DLine without Dockett on it to be honest but that time is drawing nearer as you illustrated. Ta’amu was a really pleasant surprise. I enjoyed watching him, even at the fullback position.

    I am super excited for next year, more so than I ever have been. If Mr. Palmer can throw for 4k yards with the “worst” line in the NFL imagine what he could do with an average line. I’m counting the days to the draft to see what happens.

  33. By georgiebird on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Should have said the Cardinals- in 1976- were the 1st team with a 10-4 record to miss the playoffs.

  34. By jeromereece on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Georgie –

    You’re drunk go home.

  35. By Sean44 on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    The offense seemed to click and do better than just good in the 2nd half of games. The offensive line a little slow to start, and then start doing really good. Cardinals are not a fast starting team on offense. Of course BA and the players don’t want to admit it, and then try to go right out there and play fast. Pound the defensive line first. Cardinals would do great with a running back that can just punish and wear down defensive lines. Once that happens, we all know what FItzgerald can do.. Maybe one day Fitzgerald bubble butt will start sagging like old lady titties, but not anytime soon. Fitzgerald is an ultimate 2nd half weapon. But you gotta keep the Defensive line wore out, where they can’t get that extra jump on the offensive line. If the LT is there that is great, if not, Cardinals will manage.. something like a heavy hitting running back, like a young Lynch, or young mendenhall might be a great pickup in the first 2 rounds. Beat the defense up with big tight ends and heavy running back, then fly. NFC West, it might be just what has to be done.. just amplify what Cardinals do great in the 2nd half without going with the 1st half turnovers to get to that point.

    Just a counter trend idea.. instead of trying to start fast, how about start with a sledge hammer. Sledge hammer 8 man boxes.. Get the 1st half turnovers down, and then let the offense do what it did in the 2nd half of games. The offense works when the opposing defense gets just a tad bit tired out. Even against the NFC West defenses. Start with the sledge hammer draft. There going to be all sorts of big mean tuff SOBs in the last few rounds, some might fit right into place with that kind of core game plan.

  36. By Dre on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Rob Housler has scored one touchdown in three season. I believe he will have to prove to all that he deserves just to be on the team next year.

    order of need is on the money…

    But I believe TE is the position the greatest need after Left Tackle.

    In the Superbowl, Seahawks defense destroyed the NFL’s #1 offense. And with the Seahawks and Frisco in our division we have to draft players to be able to beat these two teams. What are the strengths of these two teams…Defense. The Cardinal struggled consistently on offense and Housler played a big part beyond the OL.

    First round draft picks are expected to play on day one, if not start day one. I don’t think it would be a wise decision to draft and play an offensive rookie left tackle next to a basically an rookie left guard with above average NFC West pass rush. I think bringing in a free agent experienced Left tackle is the way to go even though its going to cost a pretty penny to do do.

    The Cards lost three OLB to season ending injuries. I expect the return of these three OLBs will be adequate going into the next season.

    Defensive line were a big part to the Cards being #1 in the NFL against the run in 2013. Defensive line will be fine going into next season just as they are.

    The Cardinals have to get better on offense to stay competitive in the NFC West. And I think our first round pick has to be an offensive best player available who satisfies a big need, Hence…ERIC EBRON or JACE AMARO.

  37. By William on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    left tackle, tight end on the offensive side…
    tackle and end on the defensive side….
    keep it simple

  38. By Mike G on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Hey Georgie–

    You definitely keep everyone on their toes when talking about the old St Louis Cardinals–that’s for sure. I think the year they were 10-4 in 1976 they lost to Dallas on Thanksgiving Day like 19-14 on a bad call at the end of the game which cost them a playoff spot.. No Wild Card’s in those days. I believe the Card’s played in 3 straight Thanksgiving Games from 1975-1977.—Cardiac Cards under Don Coryell—-Those were the good old days!!!!!!!!!!

  39. By Dre on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    1st RD….TE ERIC EBRON North Carolina or JACE AMARO Texas Tech

    The Cards need to get better on offense by being able to score more TD. The Need of more weapons in the red zone to beat Seahawks and Frisco. Speed kills and both these guys have it plus Amaro had 106 catch in a 13 game college season. Two dominant, fast and big red zone target with proven hands.

    The cards recently signed three TEs to future contracts who want a spot on the team and Jake Ballard is a restricted FA who should be back.

    2nd RD,,,OT ANTONIO RICHRDSON Tennessee

    With a experienced FA at left tackle, an early round tackle to compete with Bobbie Massie on the right side. A ready to start on the right side now at the same time being prepared to for the future left side tackle.


    A big hard hitting football player a la A-Dub who can cover along side his LSU brothers Peterson and Tyrann…future “Best in the West” secondary.


    not expected to play in 2014 due to torn ACL but should be worth a fourth pick to be groom for future use.

    5th RD…WR BRUCE ELLINGTON South Carolina

    Andre Ellington’s cousin who can be battle Jaron Browm for the third WR spot. He has 4.4 40 speed to take the top off defenses and is a playmaker.

    6th RD…CB CHRIS DAVIS Auburn

    He has 4.4 40 speed and had a 109-yard field goal return for a touchdown to knock off undefeated Alabama last year in college. A corner who can tribute now returning punts and develop a little more to cover NFL caliber WRs..

  40. By jaime on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    after watching this past season again I just have to say, Carson Palmer awesome!!! Im so ready for 14′ season, WE GOT A QB, A GREAT QB!! Anyone who says different doesn’t know the game “know the game”!!!

  41. By ChristianR on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Georgie, isn’t that how Seattle built a SB team? find people in round 3 and on who can contribute. Plus, I completely disagree with your LB statement earlier. If you aren’t tough up front, you don’t beat the Seahawks. Plain and simple.

    Now everyone else, I like the list that is set up here, but I just don’t see a reasonable answer for TE coming into the draft that we can afford to snag, except maybe Troy Niklas in the 2nd. Otherwise, I see all of these positions being answered through the draft (save LT, where we may be stuck with the same answers we had last season unless someone like Lewan falls to us in the 1st). This may be a bit soon to ask, but what do you think of Dion Bailey, S. He is projected to go in the 4th and used to play LB. Also, if we find ourselves without an offensive player in the 1st, Tuitt could be a force on the D-line. Thoughts?

  42. By ored on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    georgie you win the thumbs down award everytime you post,so you can pat yourself on the back for that also,lol.

    agree that we go the vet route for LT and this draft is fairly deep at the position,so we can get a project with upside to develop later,also would be nice to get vet experience to defend the TE position.that would leave the draft wide open for bpa at any position and give us the chance for a mid round qb.

  43. By Andy Kw on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Coach K, I agree with your draft choices 100%.

  44. By Dr. G. on Feb 11, 2014 | Reply

    Dupe post – this commentary should have been here.

    Well, with all the dialogue and stats on WR’s, check out this CBS report. With all the Arians’ talk of TE’s, and no FB, he did not really get much production, and used them as blockers much of the time. Cards needs – OT, QB, WR, TE among others to continue upgrades. Amaro is rated as the #30 pick right now. A great TE would open up everything! Quote Edited: –

    Jace Amaro, TE, 6′ 5″ – 260 – Texas Tech: Adding a speedy seam threat to complement Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd and keep defenses from crowding the line of scrimmage to stop big-play specialist Andre Ellington – could be the next step in Bruce Arians’ transformation of Arizona’s offense. Amaro is a potential Jimmy Graham-like threat who caught 106 passes for 1,352 yards and seven touchdowns in 2013 breaking the NCAA all-time record for receiving yards in a season by a tight end… A good day to wrangle this guy… Be well..

  45. By jasonc on Feb 12, 2014 | Reply

    Ok, I might be in the wrong here, but I don’t care about what happened when this team was in St Louis and I don’t need to be kept on my toes about it. This is the ARIZONA CARDINALS and this is OUR team #birdgang. We’ve toiled in the desert watching terrible teams in the sweltering heat of Sun Devil Stadium, burning our skin in the sun and our asses on the bleacher seats and out of that heat we forged our own identity. I respect the Dierdorf’s and the Wilson’s who came before but I was never a fan of the St Louis teams….I’m more fond of the Green’s and Lomax’s who transitioned here, the Larry Center’s and William’s that kept us going, the Fitzgerald’s and Warner’s who showed us we could be winners and to the promise of now.

  46. By Big Ken on Feb 12, 2014 | Reply

    @ jasonc Right on! Lets stay in the here and now.

  47. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 12, 2014 | Reply

    jasonc and Big Ken,

    Im with you guys. I didn’t like the cards when they moved here. But after going to a few games, I became a fan and followed ever since.

    Who cares about the St Louis cards? I don’t.

  48. By jasonc on Feb 12, 2014 | Reply

    Antonio Richardson is starting to get some poor scouting reports coming out. Lance Zierlein dropped him from 38 to the 90’s. I didn’t like some of his video’s so I’ve been reluctant to mock him to us @20, but I thought he would go early second because of his size and athleticism here is the link if you want to see his full report: I thought people might be interested because I’ve seen his name on a few mocks.

    Interesting twitter news Matt Miller: Branden Albert will be a hot free agent name, but he’s been banged up last two years and may out-price himself. After a retweet by Darren, Miller responded: FWIW, I’d pay Anthony Collins mid-level starter money and pass on Albert.

  49. By Big Ken on Feb 12, 2014 | Reply

    I think if they sign a FA left tackle to start, no way do they draft one. I think they are satisfied with team depth on the OL.

  50. By Dr. G. on Feb 12, 2014 | Reply

    Jasonc -(You are not wrong)… I had minor involvement with a group to bring MLB and NFL to Phx back in the 80’s. It was proposed to have a multi-use stadium downtown for both teams until ASU stepped in and signed the St. Louis Cardinals… That stalled things for what seemed like a millennium. ASU did add some tiers to Sun Devil Stadium to try to placate Bill Bidwill, but this agreement messed things up for lots of years. MLB did not come for about a decade, and our NFL team, then called “The PHOENIX CARDINALS,” did not get a pro-style stadium until Glendale stepped up and got it done. They always labored for attendance until the new stadium was built in concert with the arrival of Kurt Warner and Michael taking over. I could not believe the explosion in popularity. Michael has put forth what seems tireless effort to produce a winner. He, IMO, is the expansion franchise Arizona needed! I am proud to be an ARIZONA CARDINAL FAN… Old Chicago and Old St. Louis could not dream of what we have here now! We are Arizona! Watch out!

  51. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 12, 2014 | Reply


    What are the rumors of what it will take to land a Anthony Collins?

    I personally think he stays were he is.
    Someone brought up a crazy name, Charles Brown. Before dismissing him, he would not be a bad signing.
    He is average at best. Which is an upgrade for us.

    But he could buy time as the cards draft a LT like Morgan Moses. As we saw this year, most tackles drafted did not start at LT.

  52. By jasonc on Feb 13, 2014 | Reply


    The only thing I’ve heard is that he want’s to be paid like a starter, I think he made less than 3 million last year. Cincinnati has plenty of cap space so they have the money to offer him and he has said he’d love to stay , but that’s what all free agents say right?!? I think the top tier free agent left tackles Monroe, Albert and Veldheer are going to command 7-9 million per year so I think Collins in going to be on that next level and its going to take 5-7 million per to land him.

    Here is my problem with Charles Brown-He had injury issues his first three seasons, he lost his job after a game against StL when Robert Quinn destroyed him in the same manner he killed Levi Brown in week one and is he an upgrade from Sowell? I guess if you could sign him on a one year deal for competition during training camp he’d be interesting but I’m not sold that he is a definite upgrade.


    Um, not sure how your post means I’m wrong….I knew the were the Phoenix Cardinals, but I was speaking in present tense. That’s interesting that you have some insight about the move, but I was 10 so when the team moved here so I wasn’t up on all of the politics behind it. All I know is that both of my uncles had season tickets and I loved going to the games at Sun Devil stadium. Years later when my brother played for ASU and I was older we spent a Thanksgiving day watching ASU vs. UA and it was SO hot that I finally understood why people hated going to the Cardinals games. When you’re a kid it doesn’t matter but with kickoff times during the day those games in September through November sometimes were brutal…it didn’t help that we weren’t putting winning teams on the field. I agree with you that the teams popularity has exploded since the climate controlled stadium, but it’s probably more important that we had the Super Bowl run, although I think it isn’t a coincidence that both of these things happened with Michael Bidwill at the helm.

  53. By jasonc on Feb 13, 2014 | Reply


    My apologies….I read your comment wrong.

  54. By Dr. G. on Feb 13, 2014 | Reply

    jasonc – Your and JTDG’s enthusiastic detail is always interesting. FYI – I believe the Cards have been sold out since 2006, which was the 1st year in Glendale. The Super Bowl Run was 2008, the 3rd year there. I have the little NFC banner that was handed out at the door hanging in my office. 2008-2009 was epic.

    Dennis “you gotta weenie in town” Green started the QB carousel a few years earlier, and became the hit-man when he came to the Cards. It was ugly… Whiz replaced him in January of 2007 (preseason) He got things going in the right direction – – but when Warner left, he was history.

    I have to make the obvious comparison among these coaches, to include Arians; it seems apparent that Arians is a head taller. He understands personnel better and knows how to blend them into a competitive team without the need for a bunch of super stars… IMHO – and I’m stickin’ to it!! My top draft needs = OT, TE, QB of the future if the opportunity presents….. Be well….

  55. By Coach K on Feb 14, 2014 | Reply

    I have been watching film of Jimmy Garoppolo this week and the more I watch his throwing motion, the more he reminds me of of Kurt Warner. I am now starting to think this kid could be the sleeper in this draft. He is only 6’2″, but is well built and sold at 220 lbs. His throwing motion and quick release is really impressive. In fact, he has a better release than any quarterback in this draft. I think Blake Bortles is the most NFL ready, but I have to put Garoppolo right behind him. This kid could be a steal for the Cardinals in round two. His arm talent just jumps off the film.

  56. By Bill on Feb 14, 2014 | Reply

    I’d like to see the Cards steal Zach Mettenberger in this draft. Do some trades and take him late in the 2nd or early in the 3rd. He’s arguably the best QB in this draft if he doesn’t get hurt. Give him a year to learn the system and start him when Palmer is gone.

  57. By Coach K on Feb 15, 2014 | Reply

    Coach K’s latest mock draft based on Keim interview and my gut feeling on FA.

    Round 1- Morgan Moses, OT, Va. (Long arms-great feet, a dancing bear)

    Round 2- Martavious Bryant, WR, Clemson (Legitimate deep threat)

    Round 3- Craig Loston, SS, LSU (Heavy hitter with size and speed)

    Round 4- Ross Cockrell, CB, Duke (Dukes best playmaker – instincts)

    Round 5- George Uko, DT, USC (Potential to learn behind Dockett)

    Round 6- Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon (Drug troubles in his past. But Cardinals know how to deal with these guys). A steal here if he buys in like Honey Badger did.

    Free agents- bring in two young kickers to compete.

  58. By Coach K on Feb 17, 2014 | Reply

    Dr. G, I m not sold on Amaro as a first round talent at tight end. His blocking is so bad, he is more a wide receiver than true tight end. Much better tight ends in this draft. Amaro is a second round talent at best. Ebron is the only elite tight end in this draft worthy of a fist round grade. If Lyerla did not have the off field issues, he would also be in the first round. Those two are the elite tight ends in this draft. Amaro–No WAY!

    Another player not worth a first round grade is Anthony Barr. He reminds me of Mingo from last year. Very athletic and lots of speed, but no strength. Barr has very poor upper body strength and needs to get much stronger to take on offensive tackles in the NFL. When Barr is engaged with a tackle, he is easily neutralized and stoned. Has very little moves to escape a hard punch by a quality offensive tackle.

    Cardinals need to focus on quality football players that translate to the NFL. Power and athletic ability combined with good technique is required. We must focus on can’t miss blue chippers in the first two rounds. Amaro is another Housler. I think one Housler is enough.

  59. By stoptrippn on Feb 26, 2014 | Reply

    Taylor mays

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