Keim: If clinch, to rest or not to rest

Posted by Darren Urban on December 14, 2015 – 8:07 am

What will happen if and when the Cardinals lock up their playoff position — which, given the way they are playing and the way the Panthers are playing, could happen with the Cards still having regular-season games to play? General Manager Steve Keim said he and coach Bruce Arians would have discussions if that were to come to pass with the Cardinals. The fear, of course, is resting guys so much, Keim said on his appearance on the “Doug and Wolf” Show on Arizona Sports 98.7, that they are then not ready to play come playoff time.

(And don’t forget, you sit guys for Week 17 and then have a bye, then some key players will have not played a game for three weeks before a playoff game.)

We’ll see what happens. “I’m just happy to be in that position to have that conversation,” Keim said.

— Keim reiterated it was good for the Cardinals to get the mini-bye after the Thursday game. Keim said the Cards are hoping to get a handful of players back from injury, although he wasn’t specific. Guys to watch for at practice this week: DT Frostee Rucker, TE Jermaine Gresham, CB Jerraud Powers, RB Andre Ellington.

— Asked what he was thinking when Dwight Freeney sacked Teddy Bridgewater to clinch the win over the Vikings, Keim said “I was thinking that’s the best $200,000 we’ve spent.” Freeney’s contract called for a $200,000 incentive to kick in on his fourth sack of the season. The Bridgewater takedown was it.

— Keim admitted the Cardinals didn’t play all that well offensively against Minnesota. But he said he continues to be impressed by rookie running back David Johnson, especially for beyond what he does running the ball. Keim raved about Johnson’s receiving abilities, and also noted Johnson’s “deceptive speed.”


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41 Responses to “Keim: If clinch, to rest or not to rest”

  1. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    I think let’s win in Philly, then have this conversation.

  2. By Dr H on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    We’re going to need him in the Seachickens game – sack Russell…cha ching!

  3. By Storm Byrd on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Cards can’t realistically sit guys before the Seattle game. The first round bye isn’t locked up just by beating Philly on Sunday night. GB could still come into AZ, beat the Cards and then have the #2 seed if Cards lose to Seattle in week 17 (& GB beats MIN).

  4. By drblogubc on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    I love this team. But putting all emotion aside, I am very nervous about the remainder of the season. Here are my thoughts. Arians said “Defensively, to give up 10 points in the fourth quarter, that’s not our brand of football.” Yet this is the fifth game this season where they have done just that (Lions 10, Steelers 10, Seahawks 15, Cincinatti 17 and Vikings 10). Opposing teams seem to have figured out a solution to the Cardinals over reliance on blitzes, with short passes over the middle or screens. Our DC doesn’t seem to adjust and the result is big days for QBs like Blaine Gabbert and Teddy Bridgewater. Smart QBs like Bradford, Rogers and Wilson could exploit this weakness quite effectively.

    Offence seems to need the big plays to score, which is very exciting! But red zone success needs improvement and they have to find a way to convert third and short yardage.

    Most commentators are already crowning the Cards as Division winners. This is far from settled. It is highly unlikely the Seahawks will lose to the Browns and the Rams, especially in their own house. All three of the Cards opponents are experiencing a strong “resurgence” in recent games. I hate to even think about it but we could end up with the fifth seed, could we not? While not totally clear, if Hawks and Cards both end up 11-5, it seems the Hawks would have a slight edge based on recent performance. That would mean a playoff game against the winner of NFC East – possibly Philadelphia one more time. I don’t want to be a glass half empty guy but I have not seen this possibility even discussed.

    Hopefully our guys will dominate in Philadelphia and we can look forward to a playoff game here in Phoenix. How sweet that would be! But I must admit to being worried.


  5. By drblogubc on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Neither has the division been locked up. After all, the Cards should have dominated the Niners and the Vikings but barely escaped with wins. Now I am not nearly as confident about the game against the Eagles, who have looked good in their last two games. And there is little chance Seattle will lose to the Browns and the Rams in their own stadium. The game in week 17 could determine the division. Hawks and Cards could both end up 11-5 if the Cards lose that one and if is their third straight loss. As far as I can tell from the tie breaking “formula” the Hawks would get the edge due to the strength of their wins. I don’t understand why this possibility has not been acknowledged by any of the commentators. Perhaps my interpretation of tie breaking is incorrect. Any clarification would be welcome.

  6. By Darren Urban on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    drblogubc —

    RE: Tiebreaker

    Actually, it’s been acknowledged by the fact the Cardinals have not yet clinched the division.

  7. By joe holst on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    if they clinch they should play the 1st half then rest,

  8. By mal on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    There’s a very possible case where the Cards play Greenbay and Seattle at home to end the season and then turn right around and play the next 2 games against Greenbay and Seattle at home all over again.

    As of now Greenbay will play at home against the #6 wildcard seed. The Pack would be favored to win.

    Seattle is locked into the #5 seed and would play the winner of the NFC East. Seattle will win that game.

    So then our first playoff game would be at home against Greenbay. Seattle would go to Carolina, where if they won that game, the Cards would then next play at home against the Hawks.

    Of course, a lot can happen, and right now the Cards just need to beat Philly.

    But the playoff picture is coming into focus. It effects how long you play your starters those last 2 games.

  9. By joe holst on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    disappointment so far.

    Tight end: Troy Niklas, Cardinals (-4.0)

    Nicklas only ran five pass routes and wasn’t targeted, which is to be expected from a blocking tight end. But his -3.2 run blocking grade is definitely not. He allowed multiple run stops and disruptive plays, and was generally unable to make any positive plays in the run game.

  10. By Mike G on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Hope all is cool! Great job by the Cards winning that Thursday game against Minny. Those games are rough. Getting this mini bye has to help the team–especially getting some players back from injury to play the Eagles. Cardinals are set up nice —
    you could not ask for a better position. Two of last three at home to wind down the season. Fans can’t look too far ahead– you have to take it one game at a time for things can change in a hurry. Just hope the team stays healthy down the stretch .Yo Darren– Little surprised Card’s are going with Larsen over Cooper at guard. I know Larsen is playing pretty well—but I feel Cooper has more upside in his run blocking ability and should improve game by game & be more physical in short yardage situations. Really did not think Cooper was playing that bad for the switch to be made. What do you think about that??????

  11. By Darren Urban on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: Cooper

    Obviously the coaches felt otherwise.

  12. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Drblogubc —

    It may not be settled, but it’s pretty close. AZ has lost 4 home games since Palmer/Arians got here (and one of them was with Lindley at QB vs. Seattle). You’ve got to give them at least a 50% chance of winning vs. GB and Seattle (the reality is probably higher). Similarly, they are favored vs. Philly.

    If you said they were 50/50 in all three games, the chance of losing all three is 1 in 8. In reality, they are probably better than 50/50 in all three games, so the chance of losing all three is less. says they are 95% to win division and 85% to get the first round bye at this point.

    The most important game of the three is really the GB game. Win that, and the other two don’t matter — Seattle can’t catch us for the division and GB can’t catch us for the bye.

  13. By DTL on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    No staff (or roster with the ldrs we have) is better prepared to handle the early clinch issue; agree, quality problems… Lets get the Eagles.

  14. By CreditCard on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Talking of resting guys inevitably based on playoff seeding is a bad omen.

    I agree with drblogubc, seams as if most teams are solving the AZ blitzing schemes by the end of the game.

    I’m going to throw a wild opinion out there … do you think the lack of sacks and Campbell’s lack of productivity could be based on the lack of a true nose tackle? Jack Rio’s Raiders defense is looking pretty solid. Watching the Denver game it is easy to watch Mack destroy tackles and then sack the QB, but if you watched the game, you’d notice the entire pocket is being pushed backward from Dumpster Dan Williams. This causes the QB not to step into the pocket and avoid outside pressure.

    I’m not convinced that a 3×4 defense doesn’t need a true nose tackle.

  15. By Jeff Smith on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Darren –

    When you look at the tiebreakers, for the Cardinals to clinch the NFC West – if we end up at 11-5 and the Seahawks end up at 11-5 – won’t it come down to strength of victory?

    Head to head – tied
    Conference record – tied
    W-L % in common games -tied
    W-L % in Conference games – tied
    SOV – we are ahead .420 to .394

  16. By Darren Urban on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Jeff Smith —

    RE: Tiebreak

    Yes, it looks that way. But those variables change because everyone has so many games left.

  17. By Crow on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    I think once we lock up 1st round we should see what matt barkley can do! go AZ

  18. By jaiime on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Lots of negative talk i’d like to throw some positives at…
    first off if teams have figured out anything on our blitzes obviously it hasnt worked since cards have only 2 losses in 13 games that came from over relaxed.
    second how can any one feel the cards could loose the next 3 games or even 2 games for that matter, no evidence to suggest such this season.
    third this is the best position cards have been in for a long time, embrace it and roll with it and see the cards will be the west winners with the 2 seed.
    fourth WIN WIN WIN BIG RED!!!!! Fans like me are behind you all the way and we are many!!!

  19. By BIGAL on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    By Kevin S Mesa
    Totally agree… if we beat GB…next week, the #2 seed would be totally sown up &
    the only non home game in the playoffs…might be for the NFC Championship against probably Carolina… unless Seattle were to have beaten them & then that game would be played here…same if it were GB…so that game really is the most critical @ this point! However, all that said…I’d just rather they go out & kick ass & win all 3 remaining games!

  20. By BIGAL on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    By drblogubc & By CreditCard
    You guys are soo right! All season my biggest fear has been our susceptibility to either FB or RB on delayed/block/chip sneaking out of the backfield out into the flat where none of our defenders are anywhere around…cause they’ve blitzed or are out in coverage…TE’s have burned us here also…guarantee you this…Tom
    Brady would eat us up for lunch w/this! Lets see what happens vs Phili this week,
    as Darren Sproles has made his career doing just this! We’ll see if Chip Kelly is a real NFL Head Coach!

    And finally By CreditCard I also agree w/you about 3/4 & C.Campbell missing the Dumpster!!! I believe this is why BA rides Campbell to work harder to do more…it’s to mask…yet if you watch closely he’s the one whose almost always double teamed!!! Personally…I think the best thing for them to do defensively here is to just blitz Kevin Minter straight up the gut the way they did (not sure if my memory is correct here? but I believe it was the Bungals game where Minter simply shot straight up the gut choosing either side of the center that was open!) That to me was the best K Minter has ever looked or played in my book other wise he really doesn’t do that much for me…Anyone else feel that way? This also provides for less CB/S blitzes from outside providing coverage for that delayed escaping player out of the backfield! Thoughts appreciated? Again, anxious to see what happens here vs Eagles…

  21. By Scott H on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    I agree with JTDG, all that matters right now is winning in Philly. Period. We control our own destiny, which means if we win our games, we don’t have to bother worrying about what anyone else does. Honestly, Seattle may not lose another game. Can’t see the Browns beating them. The Rams? Maybe. They always give Seattle a game. The Cardinals? Might be no reason for the Cardinals to play to win.

    Doesn’t matter. If the Cardinals keep putting up the wins, Seattle runs out of road. End of story.

    The Cardinals schedule is shaping up to create an interesting dynamic, as someone pointed out. They finish against two teams they seem assured to run into again in the playoffs. Albeit, maybe AFTER a first round bye. Wow….those words are new to the vocab of a Cardinals fan, huh? That can be a weird circumstance, but….hey, we went through this with the Packers at the end of the 2009 season.

    Looks like the game against the Packers IS going to matter. If we win that one, the game against Seattle does not. But it may not matter to Seattle, either, by then. Wow….imagine a Cards-Seahawks game that doesn’t matter??? IF that is the case, I’d imagine the Cardinals WILL want the win to set an all-time franchise best win / loss record. They will do that with 12 wins, but….hey, why stop there???

    Controlling your own destiny….first round byes….so many wonderful new concepts we are becoming familiar with! These are not your father’s Cardinals.

    Maybe you heard it here first – I would not be surprised if the Giants beat the Panthers when they play. The Giants just seem to have a way of winning those games. For that reason, I have not given up hope for the top seed in the NFC. Yeah, the Panthers still have to lose another one somewhere, but….it has to start with ONE!

  22. By CreditCard on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Most important game, is the next game.

    Fortunately, it has been unseasonably warm in Philly this December. My daughter goes to school there, trust me it can get nasty cold there along the Schuylkill river and downtown Philly.

    Weather next Sunday night s/b in the high 30’s to low 40’s. I remember an old coach of mine warning us that during cold weather not only do the footballs become hard and more difficult to hold, but also a thin moss / slime will develop on the footballs as well, making it all the more difficult to hold onto.

    The Cards are not thumping other teams, like what Seattle and Pittsburg and KC are doing right now — makes me nervous.

  23. By BIGAL on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    By Crow
    I get what yer saying…in fact I wouldn’t mind seeing the Stanton get some time on the field & not dancing til the game was over just in case…That said, yes would love to see, but I just don’t see the possibility unless the forbidden were to occur & none of us want that! We will probably draft a QB & they will compete next spring!

  24. By BIGAL on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    By jaiime
    Any chance you work for TCOT…? Anyhow, were not being negative…were doing what we do on here! I know I’ve seen you on here b4 plenty…If you’ve watched all the games some of us are pointing out what has hurt &/or beaten us! In the 2 losses…in the games that got too close for comfort… It was a delayed/back, or a FB/TB or TE, out of the backfield, out in the flat,that hurt us for a long 1st down & a great # of yards…ie. Teddy B. has only approached 300 yards, 3 times this season, 296 vs GB, 316 vs Detroit, & 335 vs AZ…he averages only 210 yards/game… so yes that is disconcerting to many of us on here!!! Sorry if that’s not being positive but our deal is, that it needs fixing in order to win as the road gets rougher! Literally, all games, are now playoff games! So fix it! Please read my previous posts!

  25. By georgiebird on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    A win against the Packers insures the #2 seed. A win against Philly or Seattle does not insure the #2 seed and bye.

  26. By georgiebird on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    If things go well down the stretch, BA should win another COY. Look at the ProBowl voting and Cards can’t compare to the Panthers and Patriots. This year could be the best coaching job ever by BA.

  27. By dynosoar on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Based on strength of schedule, we had it easy for the first eight games and we were winning – by a lot and Seattle had a difficult schedule and were losing – a lot.

    Now in the second half of the season Seattle has a cake walk and is winning by a lot and our Cardinals have the toughest strength of schedule currently in the entire NFL, not just the NFC and guess what, unlike Seattle with that hard schedule – we’re still winning.

    I’ll take the Cardinals, if they continue playing as they have been all season (except against Pittsburgh.)

    Seattle, I feel loses to us AND to Carolina.

    Green Bay, McCarthy is doing play calling again, good! They’ll be a stronger opponent now and better prepare us for a Super Bowl run.

    If we keep playing as we have, with our schedule, we have this. No game going forward should be a trap game and not only has our strength of schedule over the season perpared us to go deep and win out, but so has five prime time games, we’re as used to them this season as anyone.

    We got this!

  28. By drblogubc on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Kevin S Mesa, the metrics you provided are really interesting and do provide some perspective. Thanks for including the link to FiveThirtyEight.

  29. By krehbieo14 on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    The Cards need to step it up before the playoffs. We can’t afford to back in due to poor play in the next few weeks. I think that the Dline performance will improve with the reemergence of Rucker and Redding. If I have concern moving forward, it’s with the OLine. With Palmer’s five/seven step drops, they need to be on their A game. Getting Gresham back will help with blocking. If the Cards take their play to another level, the playoff analysis will be a moot point.

  30. By faster on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    to rest or not to rest? a kingdom for the right answer, lol.

    if you look at the remaining games, the team could win all of their three games, i would set the possibilities to
    eagles 50/50
    packers 67/33
    hawks 55/45
    if, A BIG IF, all players are healthy.
    and, really needed is only the win against the packers at home, that would clinch divison and first round by.

    mathematically it would be the best, to get a rhytm into the plays, that means, rest against the eagles, play two games full, rest by week, play two games full, rest and then the superbowl. but the NFL is nothing about mathematics.

    i`m glad, it isn`t my decision ….

  31. By Scott H on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Anyone see Pete Carroll climbing on top of the lockers after their game on Sunday? What an idiot. EVERYTHING with him is so over-done and contrived. And obnoxious. He has NONE of the cool that makes BA so….well, COOL! BA has swagger. BIG TIME. Carroll has none. Time for the Cardinals to bring the division crown back to Arizona.

    Just realized that what I said in my previous entry was based on the wrong math. I thought the Seahawks had 9 wins. They don’t. They have 8. Which means they can’t get to 12 wins on the season. Which means the Cardinals take the West with a win on Sunday. Yes?? I’d imagine everyone already knew that! It was me who needed to catch up.

    Sunday is as big as it gets. Could be a day to remember for a life-time, even if I live to be 1000 years old. To clinch a division against the team I hate like no other ( except the Seahawks )? In their house? Bring this one home, fellas. Bring it home. Enjoy that long flight home knowing that the West is yours!

    Again, no talk of to rest or not to rest. This is no time to look ahead. We got to get to where we want to be before we worry about what to do when we get there. Right now, the Eagles are the heavens. And the heavens must fall.

  32. By Dr. G. on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    I just want to see the Seattle Seahawks play Green Bay in the first round. Right now the Vikings need to overtake the Seahawks. Go Teddy…

    Our guys can use the time off with some practice…we need the bye regardless. A great situation to ponder… Super proud of the Keim and Arians “”strategery”” this season…be well Cards Fans…!!

    Great to see Michael B’s confidence in these guys too.

  33. By Dr. G. on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Jtdg… yeah, beat the Eagles for sure, but, finish the season by pounding Seattle….done deal..! I want them at Green Bay…11-5, maybe 10-6 for the Vikings could work then…. The Seahawks need to stumble a bit…been stepping up in the last half…. my fingers crossed… later

  34. By Dr. G. on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    COY will probably go to Carolina, Ron Rivera, Cam is making him look brilliant. Still, BA is in the conversation for COY. Palmer helps in that as doubt. We shall see…

  35. By clssylssy on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Seems like Philly has always been a stumbling block for the Cards irregardless of the quality of their team and kept us out of the playoffs a few years back. This game has me concerned on several levels, most importantly the way we are beginning to regress as we come down to the home stretch and crunch time, as well as the weather in Philly that we’re not experienced with. We may have won against the 9ers and the Vikings but did not play like SB contenders. Yep, we are in the playoffs but it’s like BA says, we haven’t done ***t yet if we are serious about attaining our goal….AND, as the Seahawks are winding up all of a sudden,(according to NFL) it’s the Panthers and the Seahawks that are the NFC’s best??? All this talk about resting seems premature as it would appear we have a lot of issues to fix with repeated communication problems and clutching in the red zone.
    This is probably the most talented and entertaining team in the NFL and I want to see some new banners flying at UofP stadium this season to build on what we started in 08 & 09. Let’s take back the West…it’s our resurrection year!

  36. By Black on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Relax. We will kill Philly and GB.

  37. By Scott H on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    Dr.G. –

    Ironic, huh? That the Cardinals may have put the Vikings out of the picture by beating them….yet, NOW we would prefer THEY win that division! Funny, how this goes…

    Other than the Cardinals securing either the 2 or even the top seed in the NFC, it’s hard to know what else to wish for. Heck, the Vikings just came in here and gave us a scare. They played our defense as good as anyone has all year. You want to see them again? Packers are solid…and balanced. The Seahawks are hot but they are also a much different Seahawks team than they have been – their defense has been nothing special and they are suddenly a passing juggernaut – one that looks like it could blow for blow with our offense!

    Looks like the NFC field will be ( in no order of anything here ) –
    Vikings OR Falcons, if THEY can get their act together
    Whoever wins the East ( and, really, who cares??? )

    Assuming it is the Vikings, the NFC field will be made up of 5 teams ranging anywhere from solid to excellent. The importance of a first round bye can’t be over-stated. But all it takes is ONE loss to be out of the race. It’s not gonna be a duck walk, that’s for sure.

  38. By Richard S on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    RANK TEAM* RATING Win margin on neutral field Homefield 3 point advantage
    1 SEATTLE(2) 101.18 19.53 22.53
    2 CAROLINA(17) 100.62 9.42 6.42
    3 NE(5) 99.61 18.44 21.44
    4 PITT(9) 98.77 3.78 6.78
    5 KC(10) 98.11 11.06 8.06
    6 ARIZ.(13) 98.01 8.17 5.17
    7 CINCY(14) 97.69 14.18 11.18
    8 GBAY(1) 96.09 8.95 5.95
    9 DENVER(4) 94.99 -3.78 -6.78
    10 BUFF(15) 92.77 4.8 1.8
    11 JETS(24) 91.98 3.29 0.29
    12 GIANTS(19) 91.2 -9.42 -6.42
    13 PHIL(7) 89.84 -8.17 -5.17
    14 MINN(23) 89.48 1.89 4.89
    15 DALLAS(6) 88.69 -3.29 -0.29
    16 HOUSTON(16) 88.53 2.3 -0.7
    17 WASH(28) 87.97 -4.8 -1.8
    18 CHICAGO(26) 87.59 -1.89 -4.89
    19 DETROIT(18) 87.53 0.81 -2.19
    20 OAK(32) 87.14 -8.95 -5.95
    21 BALT(8) 87.05 -11.06 -8.06
    22 JAX(30) 86.97 1.63 4.63
    23 NO(12) 86.72 -0.81 2.19
    24 MIA(11) 86.6 1.48 -1.52
    25 TAMPA(29) 86.29 0.76 -2.24
    26 INDY(3) 86.23 -2.3 0.7
    27 RAMS(22) 85.53 -0.76 2.24
    28 ATL(21) 85.34 -1.63 -4.63
    29 SD(20) 85.12 -1.48 1.52
    30 SANFRAN(25) 83.51 -14.18 -11.18
    31 CLEVELAND(27) 81.65 -19.53 -22.53
    32 TENNESEE(31) 81.17 -18.44 -21.44
    8/16 correct in week 14
    After week 14, 134/208 64.42%
    Initial ESPN power rank in parenthesis after team name.
    Inside the NFL correct picks after wk 13 B. Esiason 120/192,
    The system above was 126/192 after week 13
    Cards drop to 6th as other teams around them had good weeks
    Cardinals wkly. rating 13/12/7/5/5/3/3/3/3/4/2/3/4/3/6

    What I found interesting about this is that one of the initial assumptions made to start the spreadsheet using ESPN 8/31/15 ratings was that there are 20 points between the best and worst teams. Looking at the table above there are after 14 weeks of the season 20.01 points between the top rated team and the bottom rated team, so it looks like a good assumption. Go Cardinals. A win at Philly would be big.

  39. By BIGAL on Dec 14, 2015 | Reply

    By Dr. G.
    Always love your positivity…but really? Have you looked @ the schedules?

  40. By Mike S on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    For 100K, even I could find a way to get a sack

  41. By Dr. G. on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    BigAl- yep, I don’t look at the schedules – – I “study” them. – – As Darren and all the fans say right now, there are too many scenarios to be certain about the last 4 in the Conference, but it is fun to speculate.

    Vikes have the Bears, Giants, Packers… could go 11-5 here…gotta beat the Pack.

    The Pack has the Raiders, Cardinals, VIKINGS… could go 10-6 here to lose the Division.

    Seattle has the Browns, Rams, Cards. Browns is a bye. Rams will smell raw meat. And you gotta like the Cards at home.

    Bottom line, as I wished before, I hope Seattle stumbles… If things shake out as it stands right now, Seattle will go to CAROLINA if they can get by Washington… Cool!!

    P.S. I try to be positive, but not always, esp in my past critique of PP’s career-to-paycheck ratio. But I have followed the Cards through the painful years…we deserve this now..! “nuf …Be well…

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