An NFC West title without a win or Seattle loss

Posted by Darren Urban on December 15, 2015 – 10:03 am

The Cardinals’ magic number to clinch the NFC West is one — as in, one win for the Cards, or one loss by the second-place Seahawks. That will make it impossible for the Seahawks to at least tie the Cardinals at the top of the division, since the Cards are 11-2 with three games left and the Seahawks are 8-5.

But what if that tie happened?

The tiebreakers within the division are carefully laid out. If the Cardinals were to lose out (a rap on the wrist for even suggesting such a thing!) and the Seahawks were to win out to create the tie, the teams would also tie in the first four tiebreakers: head-to-head, win-loss percentage in the division, win-loss percentage in common games, and win-loss percentage in conference games.

That brings the tiebreaker to strength of victory: The winning percentage of opponents each team has defeated during the season. And it is within that strength of victory tiebreaker that could have the Cardinals clinch Sunday even if they lose in Philadelphia and the Seahawks win.

(Something to keep in mind here: The Cardinals already are ahead by three games in strength of victory, so chances are, even with three games left and all the variables involved, they will own this tiebreaker at the end if needed. But the following is the opportunity for the clinch to happen this weekend.)

So, assuming the NFC West isn’t clinched by a Cards’ win or Seattle loss, the Cards clinch if the Bengals win in San Francisco and the Saints win at home against Detroit and the Steelers lose at home against Denver and the Cowboys lose at home against the Jets. It’s not a far-fetched scenario. Something to keep in mind.


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  1. By kauaicardsfan on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Aloha Darren,
    Did you go to Catholic school, lol my mom told me the nuns used to get hit on the wrist when they misbehaved in class lol,
    I think with all the scenarios, lets just win our game and not worry about how everyone else plays:)
    Lets WIN our division on Sunday!!!!

  2. By Jimbowan on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Let’s hope this is all irrelevant.

  3. By Dynosoar on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    All three of our last opponents have something to play for, only one of Seattle’s next opponents has something to play for (and that last game against Seattle, maybe neither of us has anything to play for as win or lose we’ll both be locked in to our respective playoff seeding.

    I like that we play opponents who have something on the line, makes every game in December close to a playoff type of game. We’ll be very prepared come January.

    (I don’t know if we win in January or not, but we’ll be the best prepared team for playoff intensity, except perhaps the Packers.)

  4. By Dynosoar on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Elliot Harrison in his power rankings asked “does anyone really want to face the Seahawks in January?”

    Yes. Yes I do.

    I want to see them put in their place (below us in the division) on the 3rd and then watch them crumble against a better team in their first game (or second if they play the NFC East that first game.)

    The Panthers vs. Cardinals is going to be the game of the season. (Just wanting to get to that game.)

    The Lombardi Trophy or Nothing at All!
    (And I’m tired of nothing)

  5. By joe holst on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    I’m totally lost after the 2nd paragraph

  6. By Scott H on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Let’s just win in Philly and keep it real simple. Seriously. I think I spent about 2 minutes last Sunday entertaining the possibility that the Ravens would beat Seattle before I realized that was pointless. I’m not even spending 30 seconds entertaining the possibility that the Browns will beat them this Sunday.

    But, fact it, I don’t want to clinch anything because someone else loses. The Cardinals put themselves in a position to claim their spot by delivering their own knock-out punch. And that is what I want to see. I want to see them TAKE IT in Philly on Sunday Night, and I see no reason why they should not.

    Hell, let the Seahawks gather around the TV on Sunday night, hoping for a miracle they ain’t gonna get.

  7. By mal on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    For some reason, people like to make this playoff stuff as incomprehensible as possible.

    I like to make it as simple as possible, becuz the Cardinals control their own destiny, so it doesnt matter what any other team does.

    The Cards win one more game (any game), and Seattle is toast.

    The Cards win 2 more games, and Greenbay is toast.

    Or if the Cards just beat Greenbay, then both Seattle and the Pack are done.

  8. By Rick on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    I don’t know about that Dyno, I’m thinking the Cards/Packers game is going to be a knock down fight until the last play of the game is over. If both are playing at their potential it has all the ingredients for one of the epic games in the NFL.

  9. By Nick on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Dalton’s injury certainly hurts a little. If we tie on strength of victory, we will lose on strength of schedule due mainly to Seattle playing Carolina.

    So let’s just get the win and go for the 2 seed.

  10. By Ben on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Seahawks at Panthers will be the div final

  11. By DTL on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Cards 31 – Eagles 20. Cards go 12-2 … Eye on 6 more Ws into Feb. That would set the bar pretty dang high for future Cards teams, no? lol…the problems of the rich…Merry Christmas Cards!

  12. By Dr. G. on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Darren – – As an engineer, I give props to you for this analytic study. This is much more fun than speculation of the draft. If things stay as they are, Seattle gets jWashington – – wouldn’t it be sweet to see them bow to the ‘Skins? But the Panthers await if that does not happen…assuming GB beats the Vikings.

    But, I’m thinking some weird developments are looming on the horizon.

    I love all the combinations, permutations, and possibilities and guessing and hoping.

    Wishing it was Sunday – Prime time already…not a gimme…later

  13. By Darren Urban on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Dr. G —

    RE: Study

    Well I certainly didn’t do the legwork. But I thought it interesting.

    For the record, I don’t think there is a chance in hell the Cards lose out and the Seahawks win out.

  14. By strajk on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    My question is what has to happen for SEA to be out of the playoffs entirely. That would be greatest Christmas gift!

  15. By Darren Urban on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    strajk —

    RE: Seahawks playoffs

    At this point, the Falcons would have to come back to life and the Seahawks lose out. I don’t see it happening.

  16. By lineup32 on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Sea best is 11-5 if they win out
    Packers best is 12-4 if they win out but they play two away road games , the Raiders in Oak, then the Cards a rough stretch.before there final with the VK at home

    AZ best if they won out would be 14-2

    So if AZ wins one game out of the remaining 3 they clinch the Div title at 12-4 as Sea cannot do any better then 11-5.
    Win two out of three clinch 1st round bye no matter what the packers do in there remaining games as 13-3 trumps 12-4 the best the packers can do.

  17. By MikeFlorio on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    No doubt that there is something special about this team, I think other teams are giving our Cards everything they have every week.

    I feel like we are the measuring stick for a lot of the teams we have played. Cincy, and Pitts, and Minn, I feel all gave us everything they could muster.

    Moving forward, I am trying to schedule my travel itinerary for work, and am not going to miss a playoff game at home.

    Urb- what is the leagues playoff schedule look like? I am assuming of course we will get the first round bye…play a divisional game at home then host the NFC.

  18. By Darren Urban on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    MikeFlorio —

    RE: Playoff schedule

    Nothing will be known until the teams are in.

  19. By Eric G on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Um, I’m going to the Philadelphia game, so I hope the Cards clinch it with a win. I don’t want to have wasted my money and risk my health going to a game with Philly fans if we lose. So, just win it Cards. I want to see the win in person, especially since the game won’t be over until about Midnight.

  20. By Dr. G. on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Let’s presume CARDS are #2… If the Panthers get knocked off by some strange occurrence, we can win the NFC right here at home…! The odds aren’t ridiculous… Some of us had this dream last night….later Fans…

  21. By Richard S on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H is so enthusiastic, he reminds me of a Scott H I knew in college who went by the alias of Al B. Tross. Could it be? That alias name came from a pledge group who couldn’t remember the frat songs, so they were made to sing Old McDonald and told that each of them had to come up with a different animal. His pick was an albatross.

  22. By Dr. G. on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Hey mal – – none of the teams you mentioned are “toast.” They can still be a factor in January. You certainly meant to place the Cards at #2, right. Many of us are having fun to see how the playoffs are configured. I want Seattle to become “burnt toast.”..!!

    And Ben, Seattle is not in the same Div as the Panthers…you meant Conf…right?

    And for Arians the rest of the way, he needs to be particular about the long bombs over the top so it can be somewhat a surprise. Last week, JBrown was double teamed a bunch…lucky we didn’t have an INT. I love the shorter shots to Fitz and the medium/long jump balls to Floyd…much more a sure thing, even though the opponent knows it’s coming. These two guys can play defense if they can’t bring the ball down. JBrown can get hammered if he is not a step ahead of the CB.

    These next few games are on BA and Palmer…the receivers are a constant given… And I look forward to DJohnson banging and breaking out. Gonna be fun to watch these coming games…Later Cards Fans… We got this…!

  23. By mikewadel on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    The last game is Seattle @ Arizona. It would count as a win for Seattle and loss for Arizona leaving them tied.

  24. By DTL on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Very plausible, the NFC Championship game is here vs. Seattle (even GB). What is cool is every game a great one until then…

  25. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    RT @PFF: Top 5 CBs in QB rating allowed: Josh Norman 43.1 Patrick Peterson 52.8 Trumaine Johnson 54.1 DRC 54.5 Aqib Talib 59.7

    I wish we had kept DRC and paired him with PP. to think we gave up a second rounder and DRC for Kolb. smh …..

  26. By Darren Urban on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Trade

    Good trade? No. But who is your QB without Kolb? Derek Anderson? An inexperienced Skelton?

  27. By Bryan on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    I hope we clinch Number 2, and somehow win our first playoff game, and then luck out and get Seattle at home for the NFC Championship. It’seems Christmas, so I can dream, can’t I?

  28. By Scott H on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Richard S –

    Thank you, sir! I am extremely quiet and mellow most of the time. But NOT when it comes to my Cardinals!

    Eric G –

    Enjoy the game, my friend. I had considered going to that one, too, until my wife and I decided to come out to Glendale for the season finale. I will think of you during the game! And if you want to come out to South Jersey to celebrate afterward, just let me know!

    BTW, the latest Philly area forecast for Sunday is not too bad. SATURDAY out here is supposed to be very cold and very windy. But that is supposed to move out by Sunday. The wind is supposed to be gone and the high temp for the day is supposed to be about 48 degrees. Hey, that ain’t bad for Philly in late December. Not any different from some of the games we have played up in Seattle.

    Heck, Carson played all those years in a cold weather city with the Bengals, so…he’s seen cold weather before. Nuthin’ we can’t handle. Neither are the Eagles.

    Wanna hear something pathetic? It is AMAZING how so many of the Eagle fans and media out here have totally surrendered to the Cardinals already and don’t even seem to care about this game. Because they think all they have to do is win the two following games against the Giants and Redskins to make it to 8-8, which they figure will win them their division.

    Wow….good to be a Cardinals fan, isn’t it? 🙂

  29. By Scott H on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    Darren –

    I kept meaning to ask about this but never did. Did DJ suffer any injuries during the game on Thursday night?? I’m asking because it seemed like he disappeared for a while right after his almost-TD that got over-turned. He re-appeared later, caught a pass near the side-line, and seemed to get up a little slow after the hit he took on that play. One of the announcers even pointed out that he looked like he was in some discomfort after that play. Anything going on with him? I’m assuming there must not be since I have not really heard anything about him since the game.

    Geez, we are suddenly pretty thin at RB. Can’t afford any injuries to DJ at this point. Would be nice to get Ellington back, but….that seems destined to be pretty short-lived when we do.

    Would be nice to see CJ again this year, too! Although, I think we are starting to see that DJ is our future at RB. Having CJ here this year has been worth the amount of his contract 10 times over. That allowed the team to bring DJ along at a pace that didn’t overwhelm him BUT also kept him fresh. He looked READY last week against the Vikings. Thank you, CJ, for your invaluable contribution to this team. Hope we can give you a chance to come back and contribute one more time!

  30. By Darren Urban on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Johnson

    He said he got a shot in the thigh, but he said he was fine.

  31. By Scott H on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG –

    For what it’s worth, I have no great regrets about DRC. He HAS played better with the Giants these last couple of seasons. But I remind you, he was terrible in Philly. Believe me, I saw it. He also seemed to fall off a bit here in Arizona after his rookie year. Besides, if DRC had stayed, would we have had Cromartie last year? Would we have drafted the Honey Badger in 2013? Maybe not on both counts. I’m really OK with how things have turned out.

    At this point, I don’t even think people can evaluate the Kolb trade fairly. Because we know how it turned out. It’s too easy to go with that then to try to remember how dead-in-the-water we were at QB BEFORE that. I DO remember that. I had no problem with that trade then, and I have no great regrets about it now. It didn’t work out for us OR for the Eagles.

    Hard to regret anything these days! 🙂

  32. By Andy Kw on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    We have a great team. We have grit, we have talent, we have depth. The only team that can stop us now is ourselves.

  33. By Chuck 1 on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply


    Go back to the Sea Pigeons website.
    Don’t you remember the last time your Pigeons played the Cards IN YOUR HOUSE?

  34. By All day on Dec 15, 2015 | Reply

    It’s weird thinking about all the guys we have on our roster that we aren’t playing with. We haven’t missed Daryl Washington with Bucannon stepping in, Corey Peters would’ve been a solid interior Defensive Tackle. Obviously our current injuries Rucker, Ellington, CJ, it’s weird to think we could be even better if we were entirely healthy and had Washington back from suspension. I agree with JTDG I miss DRC truly one of my favorite players when we had him. I wouldn’t rule out him coming back be he’s locked up in NYC for awhile but it is what it is. Cornerback would be something to target early in the draft Desmond King would be a good pickup he’s physical not huge at 5’11 but he makes plays. And he would be a guy that could be available late in the first early second. But I’ll be expecting us to be picking at 32 this year

  35. By clssylssy on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    What’s all this talk about contrived ways to “win” and call ourselves Champions? What happened to “this team is so good they can win against anyone on any day”? Seems everyone is getting a little heady and aren’t remembering “the process”…winning games to get to our goal…but, at the same time having doubts. Perhaps it was the ugly game against the 9ers, followed by being outplayed in our own house against the Vikings, only to escape by a whiff and a spin.
    Philly, it seems, has always been a stumbling block for the Cards, irregardless of the quality of team they put on the field that season and has kept us out of the playoff before. Sure, we are “in” but this is December football now and EVERYBODY is better so the Cards have to fix what’s broken and put it in gear. We need to finish strong with decisive numbers so that we can control our fate.
    Philly scares me and we can’t go in there entertaining fantasies of putting on that hat and t-shirt at the end of the game without doing the work and earning the reward. We’ve looked kinda like we were sleep walking of late and I’m afraid we’re going to underestimate this fast Eagles team who just beat the Patriots. I really like David Johnson and our young receivers but December ball is when experienced players like Fitz and Dwight, Carson and Chris J are golden because they’ve been there, understand the nuances, and respect/fear players like Darren Sproles, who can still do a lot of damage.
    I want to see some new banners flying in UofP Stadium, so let’s take care of winning our remaining games and not be Champions by default!

  36. By faster on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    nice calculations, but the reality is, we have to beat the pack, and then have to beat the pack again, and then we are in the finale game (the other two games will only count if we loose against the pack at home, and that will not happen).

    and could play the hawks the third time this year,
    and then on to san francisco …….

  37. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H,


    Tell me what corner has played well in Philly lately?



    When you are desperate, you make bad moves. That is the reason I would draft a QB early in 2016 regardless of Palmer’s success. Take a page out of what GB did.

    But 2011, what was the option ? how about trading up the 2nd round Ryan Williams pick and the 3rd round Rob Housler pick to come up and land a rookie QB like Andy Dalton at the end of round 1 ?

    Kolb was a complete Hail Mary of a move that cost both Whiz and Graves their jobs.

    Keeping DRC, paired with PP would have been nice. Heck, to make it worse, they did not trade up for Tannehill and passed on Russel Wilson and tried Kolb a second time.

    I liked Whiz as a coach and appreciate all he did here, but man, Whiz and Graves did not know how to draft.

    I hope Keim has learned from the mistakes of the past.

  38. By Darren Urban on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Trade

    Possible. But I would argue that, at the time, sending two picks and counting on Andy Dalton as a rookie would have been just as much of a risk as the deal/counting on Kolb.

  39. By Scott H on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG –

    C’mon, man….really? DRC gets a pass for his time in Philly because no one else has played well at CB there, either? Or, so you say. Frankly, I don’t know, don’t care. Would seem to me that if a guy can play, he can play. Good players don’t just play well in places where other players at their position play well, too. You think if PP were traded to Philly next year, he would suddenly suck because other CB’s never play well there?

    Why are we talking about DRC, Whiz, Graves, Kolb right now??? It’s all water under the bridge. We got better things to talk about! 🙂

  40. By Dr. G. on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    Ugh..! Jtdg — again, I value your observations, but your “”what ifs”” are coming across as a really good Monday morning GM. I recall Dalton’s fantastic accuracy at the combine…wishing we could get him. I also recall your refuting my post to draft a QB that spring. I have not studied the 2016 QBs yet, but agree that we need to upgrade this position every year. Barkley…no opinion yet.? DRC? He can go on a walk-about at any moment…! Still, I give you 3 🏈🏈🏈s…

  41. By D. G. on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    Just re-watching the Minn. game again; I forgot that Iupati gets a game ball🏈…rushing for a 1st down to keep the final drive alive to get the winning field goal… That was a great trick play…ha ha..! This game, a real nail-bitter; the D came up big again to end it.

    And though PPeterson is now showing some grit, we cannot resist pointing to his luck when the Vikes refused a couple penalties called on him. Annnnnd… another somewhat hilarious incident developed when he came over to help shove Adrian Peterson out of bounds. And then, and then… Adrian turned toward PP and knocked him on his behind big time. PP had to take some razz on that one. I warned him last year about shoving vs wrapping up. Just kidding, but he got schooled there….later

  42. By CARDS62 on Dec 16, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG and Darren you both make good points and if I remember correctly Carson Palmer was also available at that time and he was my first choice if the price was not too high, but Oakland paid a huge amount for Palmer. Sure am glad we picked Carson up now. Where would this team be without Carson? Remember the Panther playoff game last year? Worse offense I think I have ever seen in my life. QB is most important position by far so Kolb was worth a shot. I wish he would have worked out and he tried hard and seemed like a good guy, but our oline was getting him beat up on a regular basis if I remember correctly..

    JTDG is correct in that we were desperate for a QB at this time. This is when I wanted Graves head as we had Matt Leinart for a couple of years and we were told he was the answer for when Kurt Warner retired. Kurt retires and I think we only let Matt throw the ball 50 times the whole preseason and then we get rid of Matt. I was hoping Matt was the answer and I had no problem with us moving on from Matt, but how the xxxxxx was Graves and Whiz evaluating Leinart during this time. Why didn’t they bring in someone to compete with Matt as soon as Kurt announced his retirement? Desperation did cost us DRC and it would be nice to have him in our secondary. It is just nice when you draft guys and they actually perform and you can keep them Cardinals for most or all of their careers.

    Guys I think we need to come up with a new nickname for our defense. The no fly zone is not working when you have Captains Blaine G. and Teddy B flying the friendly skies all over the place plus others. Our run defense appears to be superior to our pass defense so maybe change to No running in our House!.

    Looking forward to Playoffs and hope we learn from past games that we should only rush 4 to 5 guys.We just can not cover RB or TE especially when we bring the house. Just do not think we can get Russell W. or Cam N. on the ground. Can live with those guys beating us with their arms down field, but not with them beating us with their legs or throwing little 5 yard dump passes to wide open players. If Teddy can do that to us just think what Rodgers, Cam, Russell, Ben R. or Tom B could do to our all out blitz defense.

    Always great to be a Cardinal fan, but our future has never looked brighter with Mike B,, Steve K., and Bruce A. all on the same page and already signed for several more seasons. Man I want that Super Bowl Victory soooooo bad!

    Good to see Tim Hightower back in the league after not playing couple of years and having some success with the Saints, and trust me I know D. Washington is not walking thru that door anytime soon and he has pissed all of us off, but D. Washington could help this defense, and for his sake if nothing else I hope he returns to us next season.

    Go Cards!

  43. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 17, 2015 | Reply



    True, but coaches are usually given time to develop rookie QBs. With the team getting older, it would have been a good time to transition out the Docketts and Wilsons and rebuild with a rookie.

    I do remember the 2011 draft, and to be honest, I wouldn’t have paired DRC and PP either. I wanted to trade with Atlanta and pick up an extra two and 2012 first rounder.

    Then late in round 1 , I wanted Ponder. With Ponder going way too high, I would have settled for choice 2 in Dalton. With two 2nds, honestly I wanted Torrey Smith and Akeem Ayers. That would have given us that speed outside we needed and an OLB in the 3-4.

    But the worst part was when Justin Houston was still there in round 3 and we didnt take him.

    Then in 2012, we could have had 2 first rounders and fortified the oline.

    So, to me, the Kolb trade was one of the worst trades ever. When you dont have a QB, you grasp at straws.

  44. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 18, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H,

    DRC Pass –

    He gets a pass because of scheme. Revis was out of place in Tampa. It happens. DRC played well before and after the Eagles. Got to believe it was the fired DC to blame..

    Why are we talking about DRC, Whiz, ect? A tweet came across rating DRC in the top 5 CBs and I said I wish we had paired him with PP. The conversation turned to Kolb and the rest later on why we didn’t have DRC.

    I liked DRC and wish he was still with the team playing opposite PP right now.

  45. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 18, 2015 | Reply

    Dr G,

    Above I stated what I would have done in 2011 draft before the draft. No hindsight. If I was using hindsight, I would be saying, why did we take PP over the obvious choice of JJ Watt. Pairing Watt with CC, and drafting Justin Houston and Richard Sherman to pair with DRC, with trading up to land Dalton with a two and a 4.
    Now that is hindsight.

    Do you think I would have claimed Ponder as my top QB if I was using hindsight?Me and Darren argued about the fact that I would have traded down with the Falcons, because I thought we needed more than 1 player. We were far from good at that point. Plus we needed a rookie QB and none were worthy of the 5th pick.
    Like it or not, if I was GM, I would not have traded for Kolb, kept me draft picks and followed a 2011 draft with 2 number 1’s and a two in 2012. Think of the Oline we could have built in 2012.

  46. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 18, 2015 | Reply

    DR G,

    As for QBs in 2016 draft, I have liked Conner Cook the past two seasons. He is a first round guy and would love to land him. Could he fall and the cards trade up?

    In Round 2, something about Kevin Hogan intrigues me. He throws the deep ball well (which fits this offense) He struggled last year because of the dying and death of his father, but rebounded this year. He runs a pro style offense and likes to boot out and go deep (ala what BA loved to do with Luck in Indy). Scheme-wise, he seems like a perfect fit in AZ.

  47. By Dr. G. on Dec 19, 2015 | Reply

    jtdg – – It’s becoming time to look at the QB draft…like I said earlier, I have not studied the possibilities much yet, but have seen some action this season. The link below looks to be as accurate as anyone can assemble…worth some study. Your guys are #4 & #10 as QBs, #19 & #183 over all.

  48. By Dr. G. on Dec 19, 2015 | Reply

    jtdg…& all… Oops, I was not finished… Take a look at Jared Goff…sounds like he can become a backup ready to play soon… and just a few spaghetti dinners from a good size. And, with his ranking, he will certainly declare for the $$$$ rather than stay in school. Keim would need to do some serious horse trading. Your thoughts?

    Cards Fans…a big game mañana, tether the Eagles… gonna get that #2 spot this year… be well…

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