Keim: No such thing as disappointing win

Posted by Darren Urban on November 14, 2016 – 8:10 am

Steve Keim was blunt.

“I don’t think there are any disappointing wins,” the Cardinals GM said during his appearance on the “Doug and Wolf” show on Arizona Sports 98.7. “The one thing I’ve learned in this position is to respect and appreciate every win.”

The Cardinals are back to .500 after beating the 49ers. They have huge games coming up, on the road, with playoff contenders Minnesota and Atlanta. The good news is that Keim said the Cards came out of the game “relatively healthy” — Keim was not asked about the status of Larry Fitzgerald — and in keeping with the theme of respecting every victory, he found the positives from his team’s first game of the second half of the season.

— Keim said he was encouraged by the play of two players who struggled in the first half of the season: wide receiver Michael Floyd and kicker Chandler Catanzaro. Both continued to work every day despite their issues, Keim said. Especially for Floyd, “to see a smile on his face in the locker room was exciting for all of us,” Keim said.

— The offensive line did OK. Keim said new left tackle John Wetzel “played good” although Keim acknowledged the 49ers don’t have much of an edge rush (Wetzel will most certainly face a harder test against the Vikings.) The 49ers came in with a plan to jam up the run, so even going against the NFL’s worst run defense, “do you want to run into a wall?” Keim asked rhetorically. Instead, the Cardinals threw the ball. It led to turnovers, all on passing plays — two interceptions, a fumble by Palmer trying to buy time to throw a pass, a fumble by J.J. Nelson after a catch. The turnovers are what made the game close, Keim said.

— He praised Fitzgerald. “Fitz continues to be a warrior, making plays in critical situations,” Keim said. Again, no comment (or question) about Fitz’s health.

— The big picture says the Cardinals “have opportunities ahead of us.” And the Cards did finish in a close game, something they didn’t do against New England or Seattle (or Los Angeles, for that matter.”

— Keim said there was a chance safety Tyrann Mathieu will be able to return either against the Vikings or the following week against the Falcons.

— Keim still doesn’t give much vibe one way or the other about the possibility of a Chandler Jones contract extension. “Without getting into the dialogue of negotiations, when you make a trade you’re not sure how its going to go,” Keim said. “But he’s been a great teammate, fantastic in locker room, he works hard on and off on field. He’s been great fit for us, and hopefully we can iron out something long term.”

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  1. By D on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    The Cards needed that win. It was ugly, against any other team (besides the Browns) Cards may have lost that game with those turnovers.

    Seattle and Wilson look back healthy, Cards will need to go the Wild Card route if they have any chance in post season play.

    AZ needs to find the QB of the future fast. Carson’s play is in decline.

    The free agent list for 2017 is terrible, I excluded many of the well known QBs who are not worth paying large $. Maybe Glennon or Jones would fit BA’s system and are young enough to salvage. I do like Rudolph in the draft but it will take 2-3 yrs to develop him. Unless Palmer retires at the end of the year he’ll be back with that large contract number next year.

    Draft Board for QB in 2017

    Mitch Trublisky
    D. Watson
    B. Kaaya
    M. Rudolph

    Free agents
    K. Cousins
    M. Glennon
    L. Jones

  2. By clssylssy on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    Funny, Jay Glazer said on Fox NFL Sunday that the Cards were on the verge of a “blockbuster contract” with Chandler Jones…which could explain why Keim hasn’t been able to bring in the much needed replacement players and why we are in the situations we’re in, watching our season circle the bowl. Offensive line ok???…better at protecting Carson (marginally) but couldn’t open up holes for our run game, NOT OK!
    At this point, I believe more of what Jay Glazer has to say than Keim who obviously is out of touch with the fan base if he really believes “there is no such thing as a disappointing win”! Dude, the Cards are ranked No. 22 this morning in the latest power ranking!
    While it was good to get a W (especially at home against the 9ers), the Rams are knocking on our door and it’s going to take a little more that what we showed yesterday to move forward in the division. The Seahawks were amazing against the Patriots and the stink’n Cowboys? !!! We need a whole team of Larry Fitzgeralds!

  3. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    Darren, (and Card fans)

    Lots of football still to be played. Lots of things can change. I get that.
    But the cards are currently the 9th seed in the NFC.

    For playoff picture;

    What do you think the cards need to finish and how do you view their chances to climb back in this thing after Sundays game?
    Does 9-6-1 get them in?

  4. By NPP fka TLT fka DTL on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    Keim of course is right. Every year during thid run of 10,11, 13 win seasons 3 or 4 wins were more like surviving our mistakes. That’s the NFL. Winning while committing turnovers a sign of a decent team. Cup still half full, clear path to Wild Card in the next 2 road games lies before us. Adversity builds character, so…

  5. By NPP on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    After SEA game, decided to take literally the “one game at a time”. Looking past the next game gives me a headache. So, savoring Warrior Fitz this week, and the mountain C. Palmer still struggling to climb but not quitting…Go Cards.

  6. By Joseph Robinett on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    Watched coach give his post locker room speech, and I believe I was seeing and hearing a man who is physically not in a healthy state of being… It shows the toll it takes on the man who is so invested, and I appreciate that.

    On the win, Cards are predictable on offense, except for a few inventive twists, the J.J. reverse, and David Johnson’s flare, legal pick, catch for a touchdown, sweet.

    On defense, thought the starters could have been relieved a little more than they were, as energies were running low, and as a result, the pass rush suffered.

    Overall, good to see Catanzaro kick one true and the celebration that followed.

  7. By TucsonTim on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    Hey Keim, anyone who took the Cardinals to win by 14 was pretty disappointed.

    No style points in the NFL, A win is a win, On any given Sunday…blah blah blah

    Sadly, I’m very disappointed that I didn’t see anything yesterday,other than a successful 34 yd field goal, to make me think the second half of the season is going to be any different than the first.

    Fortunately, we have one of the greatest players in the history of the NFL. Forget about playoffs and just be content to watch Fitz. It’s truly special to see a legend at work.

  8. By Rick on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    I saw a more focused Carson Palmer and even more I saw the fire out of B.A that hasn`t been there all season until now. I love it and I am confident we are going to make a strong push in the next 7 games. Too bad we only have two more home games but I will be there at both making noise and cheering on this team. GO CARDS!!!

  9. By Scott H on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    I was not seeing the game, but Fox broke into the Cowboys-Steelers game to show the Fitz injury and him being walked into the locker room. As the game went on, I continued to see his stat line grow, so he obviously continued to play and continued to be productive. But is there a legit concern about him going forward??

    It was great to see Floyd playing more like the guy we were expecting to see this year and I hope that is only the first of many better games to come. But, as always, it is Fitz that answers the bell when we need somebody to step up.

    An injury to him would be death blow right now. As our WR’s go, he is the guy that makes it happen out there. He is the guy other teams KNOW they have to account for.

    And he is a warrior, so I know that as long as he can limp, he’ll be out there.

    Regarding the turnovers, I say this – the turnovers made it close only because we were playing a bad team that couldn’t actually DO anything with them. Against a better team, it isn’t close – it’s a loss.

  10. By Scott H on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    Well, Mr Keim, maybe there aren’t disappointing wins. But there ARE disappointing seasons. Disappointing seasons that are paved with disappointing losses. Like against the Pats…..the Rams…..the Seahawks. Too many of those and you are on your way to a disappointing season.

  11. By Chris G. on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    The game should never have come down to the wire as it did. When you have the ball, the lead, and David Johnson with three minutes left, you do NOT throw the ball. You run the ball and run out the clock. The Niners were on their heals and the run game was working. You risking it almost cost us our biscuit.

  12. By Wild Blue Yonder on Nov 14, 2016 | Reply

    Keim is whistling as he walks by the graveyard.

  13. By clssylssy on Nov 15, 2016 | Reply

    The 9ers “worst rush defense in the NFL” held David Johnson to 55 yards on 19 carries–clearly if we had not thrown the ball and gotten those big chunk plays, we wouldn’t have been in the game. I don’t know what game you were watching, the Cards had not scored since the 2nd quarter and the 9ers tied it in the 4th…run the ball? A FG won the game, missing it would have ended in OT. How does that lose the biscuit?

  14. By clssylssy on Nov 15, 2016 | Reply

    I see Keim just re-signed Drew Butler, after cutting Quigley who was something of an improvement over Butler! OMG…do they drug test the front office as well as the players in the NFL?

  15. By Chris G. on Nov 15, 2016 | Reply

    In the game I was watching, the 49ers scored the tying touchdown after the pick by Palmer with 3:34 left in the game. We were up by 7. The running game was finally getting first downs and the Oline was making a push. The 49ers D always fades in the 4th quarter. When you have a 7 point lead with three and a half minutes left to play, and you just made some nice first downs using the run, you do not throw the ball. Running the ball keeps the clock running and forces the other team to burn their timeouts. If you saw BA on the sidelines after the pick, you would have seen him agreeing with me, by telling Palmer that it was on him for the call to throw it.

  16. By faster on Nov 15, 2016 | Reply

    @clssylssy, thanks for your post, you made my day, lol.

  17. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 16, 2016 | Reply


    Re: playoff picture

    On the Doug and Wolf show, they mentioned that there is a scenario that could happen already this weekend that could vault us (temporarily) into the #6 seed.

    We beat Minnesota (now we’re ahead of them, 5-4-1 to 5-5).

    Seattle, at home, beats Philly (seems pretty likely), dropping Philly to 5-5.

    Green Bay beats Washington on the road (seems less likely, but this would the Skins to 5-4-1 and, for now at least, we’d own the tiebreaker based on conference record, although ultimately since we play the Skins, the only relevant tiebreaker will be whether we beat them).

    Obviously if we can’t beat Minnesota, we can quit worrying about playoffs and start thinking about draft position.

    The silver lining if the first two things happen but a Packer win does not, is that while Washington would stay ahead of us, we still have the head-to-head game to make up that ground, and a loss by GB would probably mean we no longer have to worry about them at all.

    In any case, while I think most of us are in agreement that the Cardinals haven’t looked like a playoff team, to have an entirely plausible scenario where we’re in the #6 slot as of this weekend is a pretty good position to be in.

  18. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 16, 2016 | Reply

    Also on the playoffs — if we do beat MN and the Skins beat GB, think about what a turnaround that means for the NFC North and the playoff picture as a whole.

    MN started out 5-0 and some “power rankings” had them at the top, or certainly one of the top two or three teams in the league. The Packers started 4-2, losing only to the Vikings and the Cowboys, both very good teams. So in terms of early playoff talk, we were all assuming two slots were going to these two teams, and it was just a question of which was going to win the division and which would be a WC.

    Now, a month later, the Vikings are 5-4 and the Packers are 4-5. The Vikings host us, go to Detroit, and then host the Cowboys. If we can manage to beat them, that would be 5 in a row and I suspect they’d lose the next two as well and fall to 5-7. Meanwhile the Packers go to Washington and then Philly — two back-to-back road games against teams in the hunt. They also play Seattle two weeks later.

    Things change quickly in this league. Don’t get me wrong — I’d rather be 7-2 or 6-3 than 4-4-1 — but the assumptions we all make about the season based on how things are going at first often turn out wrong.

  19. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 16, 2016 | Reply

    Kevin S Mesa,

    But looking at this murky picture, how many games do you think we can afford to lose and still make it in?

    I would say 6-1 the rest of the way gets us in. Does 5-2? Maybe. 4-3? Can’t see everyone losing to help us.

    So, tell me win or lose?
    – at Vikings
    – At Falcons
    – Redskins
    – At Dolphins
    – Saints
    – At Seattle
    – At LA.

    With 5 road games, that is a tough road to go 6-1. Got to say Falcons is a loss. Do we sweep the rest? Seattle looked good against the Patriots. The Rams play us tough. Across the country to play the Dolphins isn’t easy.

    If we play like we did against SF, we won’t win another game.

    Just not sure we can make a run of 5-2. If we lose to the Vikes, stick a fork in us because I got to believe we lose to Falcons in Atlanta, and 4-6-1 is too tough to recover from.

  20. By clssylssy on Nov 16, 2016 | Reply

    I don’t see Green Bay beating Washington on the road. It will take a miracle for us to beat Washington in Arizona–they are playing much better than either the Cards or the Packers to this point and have a hunger neither of the others have shown. Not saying we COULDN’T beat Washington IF we played like we did against Seattle but that is what it will take to win against both the Saints and Washington. The Saints have Brees, who makes up for what the team lacks on defense and they are improving every week; there was a time when our defense could stop him but that was when the Badger was healthy and hungry and we had the “No Fly Zone” to keep the energy alive. Swearinger and Jefferson have had their hands full trying to cover all the holes and need help from our “money” players.
    The Vikings are desperate now but we have played against Bradford so many times, our No.1 (or is it now #2) defense should be able to stop him, if they don’t get over confident. Our offense, hopefully picked up a little confidence last week and are capable of closing the deal against a defense that will test us. It would be nice to have a 1st in Minnesota to keep us moving forward one game at a time!
    This is going to be an interesting week to see who they decide to bring back from IR, and while it won’t be an easy choice, we need some insurance and relief for David b/c this is the time of year we seem to always lose our key players and Chris is still a playmaker!

  21. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 17, 2016 | Reply

    JTDG —

    I agree, 6-1 is unlikely. I think we need to go 5-2. If we go 5-2 and beat the “right” teams (among them the ones we’re trying to beat out for slots, like Minn and Wash), I think there’s a good chance 9-6-1 gets us in. I don’t think there’s any hope for 8-7-1. It wouldn’t shock me if the final WC team is 9-7, but 8-7-1 won’t beat 9-7.

    I look at it this way: Assuming we could get to 9-6-1 (and that two of those wins are vs. Min and Was), who’s likely to be ahead of us?

    Wash would be 5-4-1 including the loss to us, and since we’d own the tiebreaker, would have to go 5-1 in their other 6 games. Seems unlikely.

    Minn would be 5-5 including the loss to us, and would likewise have to go 5-1 in their other 6. Again, seems unlikely. And if Minnesota DOES go 5-1, they’re probably winning the division, and beating Detroit in the process, which means now we’d have to beat out Detroit, but with a loss to MN, they’d have to go 5-1 in their other 6.

    So that leaves Philly and NYG (as well as all the teams currently 4-5 like the Pack, Saints, Rams and Bucs, but I don’t see any of them going 6-1 to beat out our 5-2).
    We only have to catch one of them. The Giants play the Bears and Cleveland and are likely to be 8-3, so I expect them to get to 10-6 even though their last five are tough. Philly? I’m already assuming they’ll lose to Seattle this week, so 5-5. Could they go 5-1 in their other 6, including GB, Dallas, Washington and NYG at home, Baltimore and Cincy on the road? Doesn’t seem likely.

    Therefore, I conclude 5-2 gets us in. Must win both remaining home games (Washington, New Orleans) and three of the other five — probably LA, Minn and Miami. If we can sneak in a win against Atlanta, then we can potentially drop one of the others.

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